Xanadu Next

[Anonymous No.8213790]

I liked it
how the fuck do I get into the rest of the series

[Anonymous No.8213794]

One of my favorite Falcom games, right before they became a console shovelware factory. Play Rinne next.

[Anonymous No.8213806]

>>8213790
Don't do the rest of the series. It's old old japanese computer jank. To be honest Failcom wants this too, they're not moving you towards the old games, they're taking the franchise toward their new take on games.

Xanadu Next is amazing though, as is Dinosaur remake, but it's a shame the west never got the Dinosaur remake. Honestly the late 90s to early '10s is probably their golden era.

[Anonymous No.8213890]

>>8213790
xanadu next is awesome. i loved the end where you can just cast the death spell constantly and annihilate bitches
don't play any other xanadu
you might like ys if you're based

[Anonymous No.8214049]

>>8213890
Finally someone who I can agree with. All the autists are like "Scorcerian and Romancia are better! COPE COPE COPE"

Pfft I'm sorry, no.

[Anonymous No.8214819]

>>8214049
Romancia is garbage and has nothing to do with Xanadu.

[Anonymous No.8215112]

>>8213790
>how the fuck do I get into the rest of the series
You don't

[Anonymous No.8215117]

>>8213790
>how the fuck do I get into the rest of the series
you don't, but you can listen to the cool soundtracks on youtube

[Anonymous No.8215139]

>>8213790
Faxanadu is your next game to check out. The original Xanadu might be too antiquated for modern gamers, and Xanadu Tokyo is them attempting to modernize the series by adding in Persona style high school nonsense.

This is the Faxanadu bugfix patch:

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2482/

[Anonymous No.8215197]

>>8213790

>Xanadu

Xanadu was made bakc when they had no idea how to translate TTRPGs into a video game, so everyone had their own interpretation. Nihon Falcom opted for real time or semi-real time combat and their games, despite being dated, now feel like they were ahead of the curve on rpgs. It's incredibly interesting, but I'm not sure if I would play all the way through.

>FaXanadu (Famicom + Xanadu)

Originally started as a simple port, it ended up being a completely original game and a very solid and now classic side-scrolling action rpg. It does not have the best graphics for the Famicom, and the action is a bit imprecise and rough. Still one of the best games for the system.

>Xanadu Next

This plays a bit more like Diablo, and it's a total shame this game got overhsadowed. It's completely in the spirit of D&D style fantasy adventure games.

>Xanadu Tokyo

A modern game taking modern anime and J-RPG style and sentiment.

[Anonymous No.8215202]

>>8215139
>The original Xanadu might be too antiquated for modern gamers
This is /vr/. People here like antiquated games.

[Anonymous No.8215213]

>>8215197
I think getting through to the end is part of the appeal of Xanadu. You try to adapt to the game as it becomes harder and harder. You learn to cope with limited resources and try to anticipate what you need to do in order to stay ahead of the game. A strategy that can get you through the first floors isn't automatically going to be a winning one and might actually hurt you in the long run.
It's a complete oddity how they made that game in the 80s in the middle of titles like Dragon Slayer, Romancia or Ys.

Faxanadu isn't side-scrolling. They opted for flip screens because apparently the Famicom wasn't as capable as the PC88.

[Anonymous No.8215215]

>>8215202
The cut-off seems to be the Famicom era, and everything before is often seen as too old. Dragon Slayer and Xanadu only have games like Ultima to build upon, and it is in fact a huge leap over those games. You have a side scrolling world to explore, and when you run into an enemy it starts combat. Combat opens up a top down screen, much akin to Ultima and you battle by bumping into them. The best and last version is the Sega Saturn Falcom Classicscollection which features updated music, graphics, and artwork.

For me, it's the artstyle, atmosphere, music, and gameplay aspirations that appeal to me the most. These are true fantasy games and heavily draw upon D&D. I really wish Nihon Falcom would make games akin to this rather than following trends and making a lot of moe anime style games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG8XJxel_xQ&t=560s

[Anonymous No.8215220]

>>8215202
retro ≠ antiquated

[Anonymous No.8215225]

>>8215215
I went with Revival Xanadu for the PC98.
Some feel it was too difficult and there was an easy mode but I finished the original version.
Overall it's probably a matter of personal preference in regard to graphics and controls. There probably isn't a lot of reason to play the 8 bit versions aside from the MSX1 cartridge.

[Anonymous No.8215239]

>>8215197

>Legend of Xanadu I + II

I forgot about these. PCE-CD games, untranslated with a strong anime art style. Feature some of the best graphics on the console. A side scrolling adventure game in dungeons and features top down in the overworld. It looks more like a Ys game (1-2 for top down, and 3 for dungeons) than a Xanadu game.

I have not personally played them but they look neat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbnJE3x_qes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpwL50dv9Xw&t=287s

[Anonymous No.8215251]

>>8213790
never played Xanadu games myself but I love this track amazing shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJUI8i2Aavs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJUI8i2Aavs

[Anonymous No.8215268]

>>8215251
Xanadu adn all the old Falcom games had amazing music. The synth-rock of the Ys games gets all the glory but tracks like that show their diversity and skill.

[Anonymous No.8217007]

>>8213790
>how the fuck do I get into the rest of the series
Learn nip for starters. Saturn version of Xanadu is a must-play.

[Anonymous No.8217573]

>falcom will never make games like this anymore
>its moe uguu kawaii shit forever

[Anonymous No.8217578]

I had no idea this series existed I loved Faxanadu as a kid. PIC REL always made me think of those dogs with the loose skin flaps. Then there was the giant sperm snakes. Gonna go watch a speed run now.

[Anonymous No.8217615]

>>8217578
Faxanadu was the Famicom (Fa + Xanadu) spinoff game, but because it's home console and released outside of Japan it's one of the most popular entries. Sadly, Falcom has done very little for making new ports or updates to the game unlike other games they've made.

>>8217578
>Gonna go watch a speed run now.

Arino Shinya just challenged it for Game Center CX like a month ago.

https://ngenerals.blogspot.com/2021/09/game-center-cx-324-faxanadu.html

[Anonymous No.8217616]

>>8215197
>Ignoring Winds of Xanadu
You will never make it, anon.

[Anonymous No.8217626]

>>8217616
well, aside from Xanadu and Faxanadu, the rest of the games seem to have little to nothing to do with each other and it's just a name Falcom brings up now and then for their new fantasy rpgs they make. Shame they didn't release these for the PlayStation/Saturn so we could have gotten a chance at having them in the west.

[Anonymous No.8217629]

>>8215239
>I have not personally played them but they look neat.
They're a mixed between Star Ocean 1 and Ys III. Really nice looking, but the simplest most boring system and quests.
>>8217007
The Falcom Collection on saturn is probably the only way I'd recommend playing the original POS game.
>>8214819
Romancia, Legacy of the Wizard, and Scorcerian are very similair games. Especially the first and last ones. Romancia is kinda like Xanadu Jr.

[Anonymous No.8217637]

>>8217629
well, aside from Xanadu and Faxanadu, the rest of the games seem to have little to nothing to do with each other and it's just a name Falcom brings up now and then for their new fantasy rpgs they make. Shame they didn't release these for the PlayStation/Saturn so we could have gotten a chance at having them in the west.

[Anonymous No.8217760]

>>8217637
If you look at screenshots and see videos Romancia and Xanadu look almost like the same thing. You're walking back and forth in a 2D side scrolling world with brick floors and ladders, like a crude Maze of Gallious. Scorcerian kinda looks like this but has unique assets. Falcom always does this. If you couldn't read jap, and you didn't care about the story, after DS 1 the rest for a while look the same.

[Anonymous No.8218120]

>>8217760
You shouldn't judge games based on glimpsing looks. Romancia is missing almost everything from Xanadu. It's more like a cryptic adventure game with platformer controls.
Sorcerian is defined by its modules. And you control a party with makes it rather unique.

[Anonymous No.8218124]

>>8217007
You don't need to know Japanese for Xanadu. Even in the Saturn mode it's limited to extremely basic stuff.

[Anonymous No.8218131]

>>8217760
sorcerian is massively different. you have a team and it's all side scrolling so it plays out like a weird shooter basically

[Anonymous No.8218164]

>>8217637
Even the connection between Xanadu and Faxanadu is spurious.
Obviously Faxanadu started out as a port but in the end there's only a few items that really bear similarities.

Sorcerian was released by Sierra for various computer systems.
Falcom did release Xanadu and Dragon Slayer for the Saturn in Falcom Classics.
Legend of Heroes was released for PS1 and Saturn.
Romancia and Sorcerian were remade for Windows so they could have been localized from there.
Lord Monarch isn't a RPG but had released for PS1 and Windows.

[Anonymous No.8218624]

>>8218164
>Even the connection between Xanadu and Faxanadu is spurious.
>Obviously Faxanadu started out as a port but in the end there's only a few items that really bear similarities.

Am curious how a proper port would have worked out or why they didn't do it.

[Anonymous No.8218676]

>>8218624
It wouldn't have. The Famicom had nowhere near the amount of memory necessary to handle a game as complex as Xanadu.
Even battery backed storage was a fairly new thing in 1987 (though the MSX port of Xanadu did use it).

[Anonymous No.8218690]

>>8218676
PCE or SFC?

[Anonymous No.8218704]

>>8218690
Seems a lot more feasible with 128kB RAM for the SFC and 256kB for the PCE with Super System Card compared to 2kB on the Famicom.
PCE might suffer from limited buttons so things like crabwalking or guided missiles would need to be cut.

[Anonymous No.8218738]

>>8218704
I've honestly not goten far in the game so I have no idea what it is other than a castle town and some dungeons. I can't do much damage to enemies so I don't get far. Bumper car combat never did much for me since I have a lot of difficulty seeing when I actually hit or can hit something.

[Anonymous No.8218789]

>>8218704
I mean, PCE has 6 button capabilities

[Anonymous No.8218952]

>>8218738
Try to get Deg Needle quickly. That way you can attack all enemies on screen from a safe distance. Once they are weakened you can pick them off in melee to gain fighter XP. It's advices to kill the last enemy of a group in melee since you can get special items that way (depending on the type).
Your weapons and spells will grow stronger as you use them, they start with 30 and it can go up to 255, so you will need to do a bunch of attacks until a new weapon becomes effective. Alternatively you can collect gauntlets for weapons and rods for spells, a good idea is to keep those untouched until later.
Another imporant aspect in combat is facing. Try to hit enemies in their back or sides and try to avoid having enemies attack your back. Use the crab walk button to keep your facing while moving. The game isn't as fast paced as Ys so you will normally stick to enemies and keep pushing into them.
The game itself is composed of 10 floors of platforming dungeons, each of which contains top down towers worth 4x16 rooms. You aren't supposed to return to the castle and won't be able to do in most versions. It only exists for character creation.

[Anonymous No.8218982]

>>8218789
The Avenue Pad came out in 93 and only few people had it.

[Anonymous No.8219025]

>>8218952
Dragon Slayer and Xanadu are still mysterious to me. I've beaten Faxanadu, Romancia, Sorcerian, and a few other Falcom games.

[Anonymous No.8219028]

>>8218982
there's also a hori one and polymega currently has a decent one for cheap if you want one

[Anonymous No.8219048]

>>8219025
What scenarios in Sorcerian?
Did you beat Romancia without a guide?
There's nothing mysterious about Dragon Slayer, you bring gems to your house to get stronger. It's mainly frustrating since you can only use one item at a time and need to drop it to pick up coins or open chests.

[Anonymous No.8219064]

>>8219048
Are there any longplays of Xanadu or Dragon slayer out there? It seems no one has played them to completion.

I'm annoyed that no one has fan-translated the PCE-CD or PC-98 versions of Popful Mail, as they seem way better than the Sega CD version.

[Anonymous No.8219067]

>>8213790
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JibNiM1H34

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbC1fIcODK4

[Anonymous No.8219073]

>>8219048
Faxanadu and Legacy of the Wizard are my favorites.

[Anonymous No.8219098]

>>8219064
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPNkK0bxDBJIoBkkjKpEknRg44OKxHElT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU9wV1TrTy8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd-U3pRgqk0

For DS I can only find playthroughs of the first phase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r60hGcc8sw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6TntbfJp74

Fan translations for PCE-CD and PC-98 are too complicated for most modders.

[Anonymous No.8220627]

>>8215139
>Xanadu Tokyo is them attempting to modernize the series by adding in Persona style high school nonsense
every time

[Anonymous No.8220641]

>>8215251
Was this before JDK, when the musics was still the Etrian Odyssey guy? Honestly this sounds like Growlanser 4, if anything.

[Anonymous No.8220897]

>>8220627
I can't blame them for following trends, because at the end of the day Falcom is a small company and they need to put food on the table. On the other hand, it's quite sad that the Otaku culture has been so far removed from its TTRPG, fantasy and sci-fi roots. For the actual game, it plays like a Ys game but in 3D with a dash button, with endless persona style high school bullshit I couldn't care for.

[Anonymous No.8220915]

>>8220897
They've gotten much much bigger since Sen and are really ruining all their games by below mediocre shit with this current engine. Ys 8 is going ot be their last good game, mark my fucking words. Trashy kawaii uguu medicore shit like compile hearts anymore.

[Anonymous No.8222024]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6DvnGkMBQU

What does Saturn Mode and Original Mode mean in Falcom Classics?

[Anonymous No.8222029]

>>8213890
Ys were fun as fuck but the modern ones tend to fly less to the hack and slash side and more to the Yakuza side and miss me with that shit.

[Anonymous No.8222031]

>>8220897
>because at the end of the day Falcom is a small company and they need to put food on the table
Let's remind ourselves that the reason why Falcom CHOOSES to stay small is because they'd "rather manage game development than people" as stated by their president.
If you choose to not eat you don't deserve to complain about being skinny.

[Anonymous No.8222036]

>>8220915
What would be nice is if they let Kiseki and Ys be their otaku pandering series (I know, I know, it pains me since I loved Trails in The Sky and love Ys as well, but it's too late for them at this point honestly and besides Ys still manages some campy charm) and then expanded out and made a lot of smaller games on the side like they did in the 00's (Dinosaur Ressurection, Xanadu Next, Zwei, Gurumin, Brandish Dark Revenant, etc.)

But what's really sad is that despite the apparent smash success of the Kiseki's new "we want the persona audience" direction (and to a lesser extent Ys becoming a more traditional JRPG), they're content to just sit on these two franchises and nothing else for the forseeable future?

[Anonymous No.8222060]

>>8213790
Xanadu? More like Xanadon't

[Anonymous No.8222221]

>>8222024
The text is different. For instance in Xanadu it's English in the original mode and Japanese for Saturn mode or in Ys you have pure Katakana text in original and hiragana+katakana in Saturn.
There's also some gameplay changes that make things easier such as moving diagonally in Ys.
Basically original mode tries to recreate the oringal PC88 experience while Saturn mode adapts it for new players.

[Anonymous No.8222958]

>>8222060
you could have said Xanadudu

[Anonymous No.8222991]

>>8215139
Great freaking game.

[Anonymous No.8224179]

>>8215197
doesn't Xanadu tie into the Dragon Slayer series somehow?

[Anonymous No.8224195]

>>8224179
The full title is Xanadu: Dragon Slayer 2. They added "Dragon Slayer" to pretty much all their rpgs at the time.

[Anonymous No.8224196]

>>8224179
There is Dragon Slayer as a weapon and you need it to slay a dragon in the end but that's about as deep as the connections go.

[Anonymous No.8224367]

>>8213790
Probably a dumb question but what other games are like xanadu next? Just like top down dungeon/exploration game with real time combat? The only thing that comes to mind is that quest mode in eirghiez

[Anonymous No.8224632]

>>8224367
diablo