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Anonymous Tue Oct 5 20:47:03 2021 No.8207789 [Reply] [Original]

How come no one accepts how janky Super Turbo is and just move on from the game?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 5 20:50:20 2021 No.8207801 Git gud

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 5 20:50:44 2021 No.8207803 >>8207789 everyone does and that's part of the fun

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 5 20:53:21 2021 No.8207810 >>8207803 based

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 5 21:01:05 2021 No.8207820 >>8207801 >>8207803 Simple as.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 5 21:23:09 2021 No.8207862 >>8207789 Because it's fun.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 5 21:25:56 2021 No.8207870 >>8207803 This. The jank is part of the charm.

Anonymous Tue Oct 5 21:35:03 2021 No.8207895
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>>8207789
Muh arcade standard and people not wanting to move away from it.
That said, the alternatives are not too hot.

>HSF2
Broken unless you enforce strict bans on certain characters. Bad glitch makes Claw useless.
>HD Remix
Not very accessible at the moment, but did have a pretty good following for a time. Eventually Sirlin's changes to the gameplay wore thin and people wanted to go back to original ST that was less gimmicky.
>Ultra SF2
Not currently playable with roll-back on the PC platform. Still basically the same game and the graphics look kind of cheap and generic. Evil Ryu and Violent Ken are stupid.
>New Legacy
Hack that is getting some traction on Fightcade. But uses the base ST engine and can feel just as "jank" at times.

What I want is a decompilation of ST and source port to PC. And eventually a character editor. A man can dream...

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 5 21:38:08 2021 No.8207902 Isn't there a tourney hack that let's you pick between the different characters version s (HF, dash, turbo, super). I vaguely remember seeing it played at an Evo like 10 years ago

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 5 21:39:56 2021 No.8207904 >>8207902 That's Hyper SFII, it's official, and the characters aren't accurate compared to how they played originally.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 5 21:40:08 2021 No.8207905 >>8207902 HSF2, last official release for the CPS-2, not a hack unless you mean something else

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 5 21:41:10 2021 No.8207906 >>8207904 >>8207905 Thanks!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 5 21:41:14 2021 No.8207907 Growing up is realizing HF was the better game all along

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 01:29:25 2021 No.8208398 >>8207789 because 90% of a "serious" match is throwing fireballs and the game works fine then

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 02:07:54 2021 No.8208469 My mind was blown when I learned there was random damage in this game

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 02:38:33 2021 No.8208529 >>8207904 >>8207902 it's basically also the closest we get to an official Rainbow Edition

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 03:26:52 2021 No.8208593 >>8208469 There's also frame skipping that can change the properties of a move. That's how the "turbo" is achieved.

Anonymous Wed Oct 6 03:37:59 2021 No.8208610

>>8208593
More information:

At every speed the game processes every frame. It will never skip over a frame that was going to hit, for example.
But visually you may not see that frame. The game may skip over the start-up frame of an attack, for example. So in theory you could get hit by something that has a 1-frame start-up and hits on the 2nd frame without ever seeing the start-up animation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 03:39:47 2021 No.8208615 I honestly can't stand the aesthetics shift in Super. WW-CE-TurboHF were peak SFII style, Super just felt too weird and bright.

Anonymous Wed Oct 6 03:50:23 2021 No.8208638

>>8208615
>Super just felt too weird and bright
There's something missing when you display the raw pixels of CPS2 games, especially Super and ST. I think there's something off about the expected gamma curve. Even if you play the game on a PC CRT with no correction it will look "wrong".

But the home ports of ST on PlayStation 1 and Dreamcast will look right on a CRT tv.
And if you apply some shaders in Retroarch to use a gamma of 2.5 the game starts to look right again.

I think maybe CPS2 Super was designed to be displayed on some particular arcade CRT to look right.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 04:07:22 2021 No.8208660 >>8208615 Fully agree, I thought it looked awful on release. The new characters barring Cammy are SHIT, they're like something out of that 3DO game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 04:08:37 2021 No.8208664 >>8208638 it's amazing how big and nice the sprites look on arcade

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 04:15:52 2021 No.8208678 File: 10 KB, 219x389, 651a77236ea841745d8d04d5c0f8df2c.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8207895 >HD Remix Disgusting

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 04:17:57 2021 No.8208680 >>8208678 one of our group was a big sirloin fan so I ended up playing it quite a bit. to me it felt like for every fix, he added two janky things that don't feel like street fighter

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 04:30:43 2021 No.8208696 File: 476 KB, 1038x1884, darkstalkers-chronicle-poster-artwork.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] For me it's Darkstalkers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 04:31:18 2021 No.8208697 >>8208678 It wasn't that bad anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 04:32:04 2021 No.8208701 >>8208697 It was.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 04:33:06 2021 No.8208702 >>8208701 Playing Boxer with only two buttons needed for turn punch was fun.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 05:28:28 2021 No.8208775 >>8208697 It was awful in every category

Anonymous Wed Oct 6 06:41:24 2021 No.8208862

>>8208697
Far away background figures larger than foreground characters. Many assets have white alpha halos. Because the idiot reponsible couldnt figure out photoshop. Jerky idle animations. Fucked up character faces. Poor tv cartoon flat coloring. A shitty new soundtrack. But somehow Sirloin HD wasnt bad

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 06:50:19 2021 No.8208879 Not even mentioning the new physical poly hitboxes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 06:55:15 2021 No.8208883 >>8208862 No one FUCKING asked you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 06:57:49 2021 No.8208891 don't care about Turbo crap, the original SFII and SSFII is all I need

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 10:55:06 2021 No.8209251 >>8208891 Surely you mean CE.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 10:56:04 2021 No.8209256 >>8207895 Violent Ken can break the game almost as badly as Akuma thanks to the Rasetsukyaku. In a game where mobility is a privilege he has as much as you can eat.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 10:56:36 2021 No.8209257 It’s the closest people can come to an official romhack. It’s a jankfest and that’s what’s fun about it. It’s like that bootleg version of SF2 where you can do chain sonic booms across the screen and switch characters mid fight

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 11:39:41 2021 No.8209348 >>8209257 >It’s like that bootleg version of SF2 where you can do chain sonic booms across the screen and switch characters mid fight This is nothing like that lmao

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 14:58:37 2021 No.8209802 >>8209348 I’m aware but it still feels like a janky romhack and there’s a charm to that

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 15:05:48 2021 No.8209835 >>8207789 People play ST because it's jank. If you want less jank, then go play like Alpha 2 or Third Strike or something. >>8207907 Does anyone play HF? Everyone I've known who plays SF2 plays either ST or CE.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 15:07:11 2021 No.8209839 >jank >janky >jank >jank Oh dear, we have the new 'sovlless'

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 15:12:26 2021 No.8209858 >>8209835 Console players. HF (aka turbo) is the definitive SNES fighter. It is better than Super SF on SNES which is slower in comparison. Super Turbo was only released on 3DO

Anonymous Wed Oct 6 16:01:30 2021 No.8210043

>>8209839
bah
jank basically just describes a game that's off kilter and does strange things, while soulless is mostly just someone saying "I don't like this", often with the implication that it's sterile and boring

If you want specific examples, Super Turbo has an awful lot randomness EVERYWHERE, has moves with absurd properties, throw teching still has you taking damage, the old characters are still playable so many of the dumber properties from original SSF2 are still in play and even the loss of new Super Turbo mechanics doesn't hurt many of them that badly (to be fair, they're hidden behind a code, but afaik, they've always been allowed in competition), stun is BRUTAL and can happen ridiculously fast, etc.
Sure, you can probably say many of these were things that happened because SF2 was one of the earliest entries in the genre as it's known today, but people still got pissed at a lot of this shit way back when, and this is four revisions after World Warrior..

oh yeah, and the weird frameskip stuff, fucking hell

>>8209858
that's fair
still usually end up playing in CE mode on console

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 16:39:32 2021 No.8210165 >>8209858 >Console players. No? There have always been people who prefer HF. Shit, dude, you have people that still like to play CE.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 16:44:31 2021 No.8210183 >>8209839 That's not the same thing at all. ST has objectively janky mechanics. Go see the stupid shit people can do in this game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 16:49:02 2021 No.8210192 >>8210183 The stupid shit is what makes it fun. The only stupid thing in the game I wont defend is Vega.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 17:42:59 2021 No.8210347 >>8208638 Most of my playtime on Super is on original hardware in an Astro City cab. The announcer voice is fukced, too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 20:43:24 2021 No.8210774 >>8210347 Super wasn't designed for an Astro city cabinet. The monitor may have different properties. And that is assuming it's one of the original monitors put in Astros.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 20:45:11 2021 No.8210781 >>8208862 It wasn't.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 20:46:12 2021 No.8210782 >>8209835 >Does anyone play HF? Yes, it's popular on fightcade.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 20:48:15 2021 No.8210786 >>8209858 >Super Turbo was only released on 3DO And PlayStation, Saturn, PC, and a little later on Dreamcast.

Anonymous Wed Oct 6 20:50:00 2021 No.8210793

>>8209839
jank means something though
it's when the game is wildly inconsistent or glitchy
like if a combo sometimes kills and sometimes doesn't, or the stun duration changes, or sometimes a combo just doesn't work even when input correctly
super turbo has all of that

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 6 20:51:34 2021 No.8210798 >>8210786 Also there is the Amiga CD32 "port" which I think is more of a very bad facsimile that was made without access to the source code.

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