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New patch by Paul Met. The patch will change the following:

>I. Restoration of translucency of many objects;
>II. English translation of some elements;
>III. Direct access to the global map;
>IV. Finalization of the global map;
>V. Restoration of the original proportions of some sprites;
>VI. Removing horizontal black bars of the screen;
>VII. Skipping videos and dialogues;
>VIII. Access to Richter’s alternate costume;
>IX. Reduced loading time;
>X. Support for 4MB expansion card;
>XI. Bug fixes;

Download: http://meduza-team.ucoz.net/publ/romkhaking/modifikacii/modifikacija_igr_dlja_sega_saturn/3-1-0-5

>> No.8203502

>>8203497
>Restoration of translucency of many objects;
Is that translucency actual transparency or just dither patterns?

>> No.8203505

So Saturn version is the definitive version?

>> No.8203515

>>8203502
yes, no mesh effects

>> No.8203516

Does it fix the horrendous slowdowns everywhere and the ugly stretched resolution?

>> No.8203532
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>> No.8203534

is there a way to get a full eng patch with this?

>> No.8203571

>>8203497
Of course it doesn't patch the translated version. Of course.

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>>8203571

>> No.8203596

>>8203571
>he doesn't know Japanese in current fucking year

Kek.

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>>8203497
Unfortunatley it's a mixed bag. He just went through and turned on the VDP1 50/50 blending flag on everything and it's resulted in a lot of bugs and errors because the effect doesn't work correctly with palettes graphics.

>>8203516
No. The slowdown is due to bad programming and doing a ton of useless crap during Vblank. The guy doing the English Patch plans to take a stab at fixing it. The stretched aspect ratio can't really be fixed without rebuilding the game from scratch.

>> No.8203651

I genuinely don't see the point of spending so much time and effort trying to fix an absolute dogshit port when it will never be as good as the PSX version. The extra content is hardly worth it.

>> No.8203763

>>8203651
what is the extra content even? Playing as Maria like in Rondo?
I mean it's an interesting port and who cares if people want to check it out but yeah, the PS version is definitive

>> No.8203768

>>8203763
>what is the extra content even? Playing as Maria like in Rondo?
A couple new areas, new bosses and enemies, new items like Eric Lecarde's spear from the Sega Genesis game and the dash boots and the rainbow cloak, new music, new more fitting sprite for Richter when you play as him (he's actually wearing the cloak as depicted in his artwork).

>> No.8203771 [DELETED] 

>>8203651
>>8203763
why are playstation fans so sensible?
The extra stuff is playable Maria, new areas and enemies/bosses (not a lot, but it's more content regardless), new music tracks, new items, and the 6 face buttons on the Saturn allow for more QoL item usage.
I'd actually say the Ps1 version is the least preferred version, especially the western version which lacks content that original japanese release had.
I still think PSP is the definitive version due to having the option of japanese language + eng subs, the restored content from the original JP release, and playable Maria, but this new Saturn fix might make the Saturn version the actual definitive now.

>> No.8203785

>>8203771
*sensitive

>> No.8203791

>>8203763
it's maria but she has kung fu and magic spells
there's a new area with a boss and shit
it's worth playing as a curiousity but it does look and run like ass

>> No.8203814

They should just romhack the Saturn version's content into the Playstation version instead of trying to fix this tragic piece of shit port.

>> No.8203817 [DELETED] 

>>8203814
That'd probably take a lot more work, and you'd still be stuck with a 4 face button controller so you couldn't use all the Saturn additions.

>> No.8203829

>>8203817
You could just...use a saturn controller. Since more likely than not you're going to be playing this on an emulator.

>> No.8203836 [DELETED] 

>>8203829
Well, you do it then, go and put all the new zones and enemies into the PS1 version, see how it goes and report back.

>> No.8203842

>>8203817
Why not map the third hand button to the L2 button?

>> No.8203915

>>8203596
You'd have to be either incredibly high-IQ or an insufferable weeb retard to fully grasp Japanese without being immersed in it from birth. Posting kek in 2021 is a hard disqualifier of the former.

>> No.8203925

>>8203497
Good job

>>8203505
It already was

>> No.8203926

>>8203836
Don't forget the new musics, the new sounds, and all the new gear including including weapons/shields with their own new moves, touble tap running, and of course Maria

>> No.8203929

How about some new levels? That's all I've ever wanted with SotN. I've always wanted someone to remix that castle or add new enemies.

>> No.8203951

>>8203497
Alternatively it's posted here with some discussion (paul_met posts there a lot too)
https://segaxtreme.net/threads/dracula-x-extended-mod-patch-by-paul_met.25022/

>> No.8203962

>>8203497
they have an old video not one for the new update though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfRD7AfcSHU

>> No.8203968

>>8203915
It's not impossible to become fluent, but half the people on the board bragging about understanding and playing Japanese games within less than one year of studying and with the bare minimum of exposure are larping. I'd grant only 1 in 5 anons claiming fluency are telling the truth. The other 4 don't understand how much further they need to go.

>> No.8203978

>>8203505
>So Saturn version is the definitive version?

Complete mixed bag. It has some features that bafflingly were not re-used for the PSP vesion including:

>sprint shoes
>third hand for consumable items

But it is also a complete programming mess, with hideous new sprites, so it's a mixed bag.

https://castlevania.fandom.com/wiki/Castlevania:_Symphony_of_the_Night/Saturn#Version_differences

>> No.8203987

>>8203532
>new hard mode

huh what? That sounds interesting. Any more info? It probably is just an across the board increase in damage and decrease in defense or something.

>> No.8203993

>>8203987
2x HP for all the enemies, also can't save.

>> No.8203995

>>8203993
>also can't save.

like... ever? Have to do the entire game in one go?!

>> No.8203997

>>8203995
That's what he says on SegaXtreme yeah
It's Hard Mode for a reason

>> No.8204000

I just killed the wolves at the beginning and there's no slowdown anymore holy shit

>> No.8204001

>>8204000
>>8204000
>wolves

Wargs.

>> No.8204002

>>8203651
One of the reasons is that Saturn was disrespected for a long time and things like this can make perform like it is capable of. Its why people make homebrew for old consoles, to prove what was possible on the hardware that wasn't taken advantage of at the time.

>>8203497
Would be good if they just make it run in the 320 resolution.

>> No.8204004

>>8203997
Thats just a retarded level of difficulty. I wouldn't reach the end not because of the challenge but because I'd get bored eventually and wouldn't play a session that long for any game.

>> No.8204012

>>8204002
>>8204004
It takes 3 hours to get all core items.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQSg74le0FY

Supposedly 9 hours if you want all weapons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe6skjZIwY4

>> No.8204036

>>8204004
Well luckily for you save states exist, alternatively don't play Hard Mode.

>> No.8204634

>>8203968
Exactly, that's what I'm saying "learning Japanese" is a huge endeavor without years of immersion. Unless you live/lived there, or work there, how would you find the time unless you're a complete NEETfreak?

>> No.8204689

>>8204004
>>8203997
Interesting. I've beaten the game with two "hard modes" myself. First is a cheat-code based save that gives you Level 99 with Luck mode stats and no luck. Then the other formal "hard mode" romhack. So overall the game was not that hard with either. I could late-game get so much broken equipment, like if you equip two of the necklaces that the cave trolls drop nothing can even think about damaging you. And special attacks use a different formula than attack, so you still ended up doing like 90+ for attacks while you could do much less with normal attacks. So late game I was still just shredding through the place.

>> No.8204736

>>8203571
>>8203915
>incapable of playing fucking SOTN, an action platformer with hardly any dialogue, in a language he doesn't know
>the game with pictures for every item
>a game you've probably already played multiple times in English too
You're hopeless.

>> No.8204841

>>8204736
>>8204736
>>incapable of playing fucking SOTN, an action platformer with hardly any dialogue, in a language he doesn't know

That they've likely beaten endlessly by now. The menu isn't complex to navigate and they can see a graphic of the item plus the stats when you're equipping it so there's no mystery.

>> No.8204883

>>8203571
Back in 2002 i beat the japanese version of SOTN on PS1 because the chink who sold me pirated games was too cheap to download the american version and burn a couple copies of it, and i had zero issues because it's a fucking exploration platformer and the menu displays with numbers which weapon/armor is superior.
t.argentinian

>> No.8204902

>>8204883
You miss out on the story and pro-logue, but there's like 6 dialogue scenes in the entire game.

>> No.8204967

>>8204902
I haven't played the dub version in at least a decade or more. It's not that I don't like the PSX dub it's just that the shit is burned into my stupid memory so I might as well play the version that gives me a few extra items like the Fairy

>> No.8204983

>>8203768
>new more fitting sprite for Richter when you play as him (he's actually wearing the cloak as depicted in his artwork).
That requires a hidden code. Otherwise, you just get his normal Rondo design.

>> No.8205035

>>8204983
The longcoat sprite is kind of a goofy edit anyway, it doesn't really resemble Kojima's art all that well

>> No.8205152

>>8203651
>>8203814
These sonysisters sure aren't taking the news well

>> No.8205358

>>8205152
Ooohh sick burn Bra!

>> No.8205457

>>8205358
Yes sonysisters, burn those bras! There's no way this heresy will be allowed to stand!

>> No.8205468

>>8203516
there's a romhack for that made by chinks a while ago
but iirc the improvement is very limited.

>> No.8205592

>>8205468
>>8203516
This patch is built upon the chinese patch and includes access to the 4MB expansion pack. But, if I remember right the chinese patch merely makes the extra RAM available to the game, it doesn't program the game to actually use it. That would require much more significant changes to the game's code.

>> No.8205597

>>8205035
>>8204983
Longcoat is clearly a sprite made by the b-team and it doesn't fit like the rest of their sprites. There was probably some note about how the A-team wanted to do that but never had a chance. The B-team saturn content is largely doing what they didn't have time for, but they're nowhere near as good as the main team so it all looks half-assed.

>> No.8207443

Any idea why in certain areas you can't get ALL the map coverage despite touching the area?

>> No.8207460

>>8207443
Report this issue to him on segaxtreme and he'll fix it

>> No.8207514

>>8207460
I meant in regards to the stock Playstation version hurr I'm a durr. (Should of said that before posting)

>> No.8207616

>>8207514
Some areas like the reversed underground carverns are finicky

>> No.8207624

>>8207616
Any idea how to obtain the coverage? Keep Gravity Bootsing until you get it or Sword Brothers warp?

>> No.8207629

>>8205457
I can see you in your filthy dark humid basement thinking what you just said was clever.

>> No.8207634

>>8207624
transform into dog

>> No.8207719 [DELETED] 

>>8203497
>I. Restoration of soulless of many objects
>II. Soulless translation of soul elements
>III. Blocked access to the soul map
>IIII. Finalization of the soulless map
>V. Restoration of the soulless proportions of some sprites
>VI. Removing horizontal soul bars of the screen
>VII. Skipping soul
>VIII. Access to Richter's soulless costume
>IX. Reduced soul
>X. Support for 4MB soul sucking card
>XI. Soulless fixes
FTFY. Actual fans of the Saturn version never wanted any of this crap. Go play your PS1 version and fuck off.

>> No.8208693

>>8207514
Funnily enough paul_met also made a popular romhack for the PS1 game a few years ago which fixes, amongst other things, this issue
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3606/

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>>8207719
Patch made by Dracula

>> No.8208942

>>8203505
No. The hack should have removed the extras levels bc those suck and stain the game.

>> No.8208952

>>8203497
Hopefully this one actually works
Is it for original hardware as well? Or just emulation

>> No.8208957

>>8208952
>Hopefully this one actually works
Which one didn't work (i.e. which one did you not understand how to make work)?

>> No.8208959

>>8203768
Isn’t Eric Ricardo’s spear the Alucard spear?
Wasn’t that already in the game?
Or am I remembering it from another game

>> No.8208968

>>8208957
The one that supposedly fixed loading times but actually did nothing
Do not be so presumptuous

>> No.8209105

So does this work with the english patch?

>> No.8209239

>>8208959
You might be thinking or Portrait of Ruin. It's in that one as a late-game unlockable.

It's not available in any version of SotN except the Saturn one.

>> No.8209267

Thank you Paul, very cool. Where can I donate to the project?

>> No.8209287

>>8203632
Maybe I should contact the group. I have done some demo coding on Saturn from 2003 to 2006. I have a pretty good grasp of the hardware.

>> No.8209296

>>8207719
So much negativity

>> No.8209436 [DELETED] 

>>8207719
>fans of the Saturn version
zoomster hipster from /vr/ who discorvered SotN in 2018 aren't people therefore "fans of the saturn version" don't exist.

>> No.8209552 [DELETED] 

>>8209436
Go touch some grass, sperg, then come back and realize people might appreciate or prefer the additions and differences in the Saturn version. Then take your own cock out of your mouth and speak like a man.

>> No.8209561

you know somebody hasn't actually played the Saturn version when they prattle on about the new content but not once mention the constantly-bad performance that spoils the whole thing

>> No.8209573

>>8204736
>a game you've probably already played multiple times in English too

sure, but otherwise figuring out which items to equip for the richter fight... that's a pretty tall order, no?

>> No.8209591 [DELETED] 

>>8209561
You know it's a console war shitter when they exist to only talk about the bad things their favorite youtuber told them about.

>> No.8209592

>>8204634
"living in japan" is a meme. 9 out of 10 weebs will end up as eikaiwa chumps hanging out with other gaijin in a neatly racially segregated bubble.

but worry not, you can teach yourself nihongo to a decently proficient level in about 2 years, no problem, it ain't any more or less special than any other of the ca. 3000 languages on this sad rock of ours floating in an an indifferent uncaring universe. it just requires some perseverance is all.

>> No.8209634

honestly the thought of somebody coming to a relatively more specialized board like this just to engage in generic bottom-feeder trolling is pretty funny to me. like I gotta wonder what is even the point on a slow board like this. probably just stupidity, although hopefully it's because you lead a truly miserable life. good stuff.

>> No.8209667

>>8203497
lipstick on a pig
the saturn version will always look and run like shit without a full conversion

>> No.8209998

>>8203571
too many romhacks don't bother being compatible with the original version of the game. someone will inevitably get it working with the english patch and then everyone will be happy

>> No.8210013

>>8204634
learning enough to understand videogames without difficulty is a much smaller undertaking than fluency and is perfectly attainable spending a few hours a week studying. I'm not sure how many of the "learn japanese" people are fluent, but I don't doubt that most of them know enough to play the games they're discussing

>> No.8210049

>>8204736
That's not the point. The point is that they could have released it in the best way possible, and they didn't.

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>>8203925
>It already was

>> No.8210103 [DELETED] 

>>8209592
I'm one of the 10 then lol because I go to Japan on a regular base to get pussy...for the last 15 years.

>> No.8210118

>>8203497
I played it through half a year ago. Worked great with what was out then.

>> No.8210126 [DELETED] 

>>8210103
Then you should know Japanese people are turbo normies who hate adults who still play video games. If you talk to a middle aged Jap man he will lecture you on could you imagine still doing that with your life in 10, 20 years and if he's drunk enough he'll blame the youth's videogame, porn and pachinko addiction as the work of WW2 Korean immigrants. Likewise Japanese women are just normie women, they will pressure you into "graduating" from your manchild hobby and paying for her bills. Everyone will treat you like an incapable child.

>> No.8210136 [DELETED] 

>>8210103
Then you should know Japanese people are turbo normies who hate adults who still play video games. If you talk to a middle aged Jap man he will lecture you on could you imagine still doing that with your life in 10, 20 years and if he's drunk enough he'll blame the youth's videogame, porn and pachinko addiction as the work of WW2 Korean immigrants. Likewise Japanese women are just normie women, they will pressure you into "graduating" from your manchild hobby and paying for her bills. Everyone will treat you like an incapable child.
If you want the weeb degenerate experience stick to talking to vtubers.

>> No.8210501

>>8209296
You clearly threw a tantrum about it.

>> No.8210552

>>8210501
You are confusing me with someone else