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8202892 No.8202892 [Reply] [Original]

Konami was better on the 64

>> No.8202894

>>8202892
Gradius Gaiden is better than any N64 game so I'm not too sure about that

>> No.8202895

>>8202892
pointless thread stating the obvious. Nothing to se here

>> No.8202896

>>8202892
Konami was better before 7th gen

>> No.8202903

>>8202892
Based CV64 chad

>> No.8202905

>>8202892
>Konami was better on the 64
How is that supposed to be true when the games Konami released on the PSX are better?

>> No.8202914

Konami are a bunch of 3rd-rate devs that have never made a great game. I shit on Castlevania and arcade trash. I shit on MGS and movie trash.

>> No.8202918

>>8202914
>Konami are a bunch of 3rd-rate devs that have never made a great game
wrong

>> No.8202919
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>>8202894
Dangerously based

>> No.8202921

>>8202914
Woah, what a hot take! I'm really feeling emotions from that post!

>> No.8202923

No.

>> No.8202927
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>>8202892
>talk about console wars!
>come on, do it! have console wars!
>I'm from /v/ all we do is have console wars, why aren't you having console wars?!
>fucking /vr/ make console wars!!!

>> No.8202928

>>8202892
Goemon Derodero douchuu singlehandedly BTFOs the PS1 games on the right so I agree.

>> No.8202930

>>8202914
damn the snoys are seething

>> No.8202941

>>8202892
Castlevania N64 =worst in series
Castlevania symphony = best of series

This has to be bait

>> No.8202945

>>8202941
>This has to be bait
at least half of the catalog is obvious bait

>> No.8202951

>>8202941
SotN has outstanding music and visuals but the game is so easy it comes dangerously close to being boring at times. Most assuredly not the best.

>> No.8203073

>>8202941
>Castlevania N64 =worst in series
While I prefer SotN, CV64 is underrated. It's a better 3Dvania than the ones IGA's team made on the PS2 or even Godofvania.

>> No.8203079

>>8202941
SOTN is the most overrated game after FF7
theres no skill or puzzles, you just slash enemies and move to the next room

>> No.8203084

>>8203079
castlevania was never about puzzles

>> No.8203215

>>8202894
This but without irony. The soundtrack, graphics and level design make Gaiden not only better than other Konami titles of the time but also better than any other Gradius.

>> No.8203224

Why do you keep making these pathetic console wars threads you insipid little dweeb

>> No.8203232

>>8202892
Legacy of Darkness was a great game in the end but Konami really played themselves with the nonsense they pulled by releasing it as a full-priced SKU. As a result most people only played the barer, jankier base Castlevania 64 while LoD went on to get a middling, quite reaction. They should have just delayed the first game. so stupid.

>> No.8203278

>>8202892
Thanks for the laugh, OP.

>> No.8203347

>>8202892
All of those N64 ones look terrible save for Hybrid Heaven.

>> No.8203368

>>8202892
Only the Goemon games were better on N64

>> No.8203398
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>>8202892
OP you forgot to add Konami's best fighting game of all time.

But yes you are correct.

>> No.8203408

>>8203368
yeah, everything else was mediocre at best.

>> No.8203426

>>8203368
CV64 is better than SotN, because it has more in common with the Classicvanias.

Hybrid Heaven is also Konami's best RPG.

Too bad N64 never got that planned Gradius IV port, then it would've beaten Gradius Gaiden.

>> No.8203494

>>8203426
>because it has more in common with the Classicvanias.
yeah, like awkward platforming and back tracking in the same level to transport an explosive. Very classic and not n64-brand time wasting zelda shit.

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>>8203494
Way to cherrypick 1 part of the game that sucks when the rest of the game involves action-platforming goodness.

>> No.8203529

>>8203524
Very classic game play right there, thank you for accepting it's basically nothing like the original games and is its own failed line of games which eventually killed the series and caused konami to leave game development.

>> No.8203541

>>8202892
i know this is a bait thread but let's try and make something meaningful out of it
>C64
absolutely miserable experience
>legacy of darkness
decent game for the time. points for addressing the complaints. not sure if i'd recommend it, except maybe to diehard castlevania fanboys or desperate n64 owners
>symphony of the night
unchallenged masterpiece in its genre (search action, metroidvania, willyformer or whatever the fuck). unfortunately very easy but at least you can forgo new weapons/ armor/ items to try and challenge yourself. i replay this all the time and never get bored
>goemon
the belt scroller one is alright. the more traditional camera one is awkward. i never got why people like goemon so much honestly
>MGS
another masterpiece, though i think it was eventually dethroned by games in its own series. still well worth a playthrough or several
>silent hill
amazing survival horror, again probably not the best in its series but it still holds up
>hybrid heaven
awkward as fuck. i wonder if the title is supposed to refer to the hyrbrid of TPS, RPG and wrestling game. i don't think any element works very well though. it's a passable shooter for the time but i did not enjoy the turn-based combat. it becomes repetitive very fast since you only have one character and you're pretty much stuck either striking or grappling, with neither system being very deep. i wouldn't recommend it to anyone honestly. maybe as a curiosity
haven't played suikoden

i feel like they put their best talent on the playstation. SOTN and MGS were by a lot of established konami superstars and i know the kobe team (C64, rakuga kids) were basically the new kids on the block. not that it really matters, newer teams can still put out great games, it just didn't pan out that way here.

>> No.8203554

>>8203529
>Very classic game play right there,
Did you miss the part where the rest of the game plays like Classicvania? Of course you did, you're a PSX fanboy and haven't even played the game, fuck right off.

>which eventually killed the series and caused konami to leave game development.
Endlessly rehashing Symphony of the Shite to the point of everyone getting sick of that copy-pasted, same old bullshit is what killed the franchise, not CV64. You retard.

>> No.8203560

>>8203554
>Did you miss the part where the rest of the game plays like Classicvania?
Yes actually I must have, can you show it to me?

>> No.8203563

>>8203560
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVw2TD3_46Q

Enjoy.

>> No.8203569

>>8203563
well the music is much fartier, not even the fartiest castlevania on the genesis sounds like that. the platforming is awkward with a buffer ledge grab, classicvania enemies which force you into patterns are now ineffective turrets dispatched in two hits (despite their operation being more hits = changed behavior)
Im a minute into this and it looks like some new mutated disgusting malformed interpretation of castlevania, when does it get classic?

>> No.8203570 [DELETED] 

This thread reeks of falseflag for console war bait, but the Goemon games really are some of the best from Konami in that era, and the Castlevania games, while not perfect, are not as bad as people started saying they were. They were well received back in the day and they still have a lot of good stuff going for them.
Hybrid Heaven is unique and well worth playing as well.
Konami did great during 5th gen, they adapted to the medium much better than, say, Capcom.

>> No.8203581

>>8203570
>Konami did great during 5th gen, they adapted to the medium much better than, say, Capcom.
While Konami was churning out legacy of darkness with all the same problems as cv64, mega man legends 2 was implementing the modern two stick control scheme we use to this day.

>> No.8203587 [DELETED] 

>>8203581
Fair enough, I never played Legends 2 so I don't know how that controls, but without having played Legends 2, and seeing how a lot of people still prefer Legends 1 a lot of the times, I'd say I'll still prefer Mystical Ninja over Legends 1, which I did play. By a lot.

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>>8203597
Hudson mogged Konami in that particular niche.

>> No.8204682

>>8202892
Only Goemon. CV64 is underrated and overly shat on but it's not a 'great' game. Hybrid Heaven is pure 1800comeonnow. Also, way to omit the following:
>Bemani
>Tokimeki Memorial
>Gradius/Parodius
>Vandal Hearts
>Bishi Bashi
>x68vania port
>Policenauts
but yeah, here, take your fucking (You) and leave, you make me sick

>> No.8204714

>>8203398
No, he really isn't. Rakugakids is pretty eh outside of the aesthetic and seriously terrific soundtrack that everyone should listen to.

>> No.8204937

>>8203073
>It's a better 3Dvania than the ones IGA's team made on the PS2
lol cool it down with the shitposting you faggot
64 was and will always remaind the worst game in the series except maybe after that Java game we do not talk about

>> No.8204942

>>8202892
>>8203232
is LoD a sequel to CV64 or is it CV64+ more content and fixed to be better

>> No.8204947

>>8204942
it's CV64 but slightly less shitty

>> No.8204950

>>8204942
It's 64 with more content but different (arguably, worse) level designs.

>> No.8205025

>>8204937
He's actually right, though. You're the one shitposting.

>> No.8205031

>>8204950
>>8204947
do is original cv64 deprecated?

>> No.8205045

>>8204950
Nah, for the most part the LoD changes to existing levels were for the better. I played LoD first and was shocked to see how much smaller the Clock Tower was in the original game. That would have really disappointed me.

>> No.8205046

>>8205031
No. Both worth playing, like Rondo of Blood and SNES Dracula X.

>> No.8205148

>>8202894
B-b-b-based. It's the whole reason I keep a PSone around

>> No.8205623

>>8202892
You must be fucked of the brain if you think castlevania 64 was better than sotn, and hibrid heaven that mgs

>> No.8206671

>>8202914
heh

>> No.8206680

N64 was considered a success.

>> No.8207175

>>8206680
You could also argue the Atari 7800 was a success

>> No.8207198

Nintendies i swear

>> No.8207219
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How hard is it to accept that Konami was pretty good during 5th gen and avoid /v/ poorfaggy console warring?

>> No.8207294

>>8202892
This is not even bait at this point

>> No.8207304

>>8207294
Yesterday there was a guy posting a bunch of 5th gen-related console war falseflag, this is one of them.
Console warriors will never not be funny, but sad at the same time.

>> No.8207350

>>8207219
Too hard for trannies (ie, the mentally ill) who keep making these falseflag threads.

>> No.8207354

>>8207198
Ok OP.

>> No.8207362

>>8207175
N64 was successful in one of the biggest markets in the world, just like Mega Drive was successful in many small markets. Both are fondly remembered and still played often. Where was 7800 successful, anywhere?

>> No.8207576

>>8207362
what are you talking about, mega drive was successful in america as well

>> No.8207654

>>8202892

nigga all you had to do was put goemon alone on there and it'd be accurate still

>> No.8207704
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>>8207654
The Playstation X got better Goemon games, with fast, fluid 60fps gameplay and didn't have that blocky, shitty early 3D look.

>> No.8207718

>>8207704
australia, I know that you're simply shitposting business as usual, but holy shit that 3D goemon game on PS1 is atrocious. Don't even joke about it being better than the N64 games.

>> No.8207721

THE BASEBALL GAME

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>>8207718
You're right, that game blows. Good thing I posted Akogingu (which is a better Willyvania-style Goemon game than MNSG) and Oedo Daikaiten and Shin Sedai, which are better action-platformer Goemons than Great Adventure.

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>>8207721
Those are supposed to be super popular in Japan, I never played them.
But that reminds me, Konami did some really good soccer games on N64, a friend of mine had pic related (yeah, japanese cart, he used an adapter to play on a PAL N64) and imo it was better than the winning eleven on ps1 and subsequent versions of WE (which kept getting worse). This J-league game was the most fun arcade-style soccer game I've played.

>> No.8207738

>>8207730
hah, I knew it was you, loser. I was baiting you.
Yeah the games you posted aren't bad, but then again I wouldn't call them better than the N64 games.
Akogingu is not better than MNsG and is also completely different, there is no equivalent to the full 3D action of MNsG on PS1. Akogingu is a good game in the style of Goemon 3 but has a lot of odd choices and feels like a b-team work (also no Sasuke and Yae).
Oedo is a neat classic game but it all feels like rehashes from the SFC games with worse graphics and reused music.
Shin Sedai is meh, just ok as a Goemon game but the redesigns make a decent game seem even more mediocre than it really is, but yeah Shin Sedai is a bit underrated.
None of these are better than GGA
>b-but muh 30fps!
Yeah, ok. Nobody will agree with you anyway, GGA is widely considered a masterpiece and one of the best on the entire series.

>> No.8207837

>>8207738
Akogingu is definitely a superiour non-linear Goemon game, partly thanks to it being in 2D. Camera in MNSG is rather shit and the game is lacking in length with there being only 5 castles.

>None of these are better than GGA
GGA is overrated. Game feels sluggish, has poor hit detection, and fuck all those shitty sidequests you have to do to get passes.

I'd rather play Oedo or Shin Sedai over it any day, honestly.

>> No.8207843

>>8203569
>and it looks like some new mutated disgusting malformed interpretation of castlevania
Is this what they call SoTN these days?

>> No.8207896

>>8207837
>Game feels sluggish, has poor hit detection
It's one of the most precise platformers I've played. And I'm pretty sure most people who played it agree.
It's just you and your anti-nintendo aversion, auster.
>I'd rather play Oedo or Shin Sedai over it any day, honestly.
Of course you would, nintendo bad! lol Get a new line. Or a new life.

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>>8207738
>has a lot of odd choices
Really? Like what?
>and feels like a b-team work
It was actually developed by KCE Tokyo, who (in my opinion) were better than KCE Osaka, the main Goemon development team.
>(also no Sasuke and Yae).
Can't fault them for trying something different, instead of just rehashing the same old stuff.
If I had to rank the action/adventure Goemon games, it'd go Akogingu > 3 > MNSG > PS2.

>> No.8208416

>>8204942
technically it's a prequel because cornell goes to the castle like 6 years before carrie and reinhardt
you can still unlock carrie and reinhardt (and a new guy) though so it's basically the same shit. there's tweaks like a much better camera too
play it first

>> No.8208419

>>8202892
All these games are very good.

>> No.8210616

>>8203368
Those are the worst games on the N64 side

>> No.8211524

>>8207730
Akogingu is a decent game, but it is worse than any of the SNES games (and 3 and parts of 4 can get pretty bad) and miles worse than either of the N64. If you weren't a faggot just naming random games to win your console war headcannon, you would have said Oedo Daikaiten, which is an actual great PS1 Goemon.

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>>8211524
I disagree. Akogingu is not only the best non-linear Goemon game of all time, but also the best Goemon game for the Playstation.

You just need to get over your Nintendo-skewed favouritism and realise the Truth.