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Best version of Duke 3D?

>> No.8194591
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>> No.8194596

guys i just want to play the 1999 build of duke nukem forever so fucking much

>> No.8194601

>>8194591
Baseado e TecToypilulado.

>> No.8194698

>>8194586
N64

>> No.8194703

>>8194586
Duke Nukem 3D Atomic Edition

>> No.8194713

>>8194703
This.

>> No.8194715

>>8194596
Me too, I want it super duper fucking bad.

Fuck you Randy!

>> No.8194852

>>8194591
>>8194698
>>8194703
What's better out of Megaton and 20th Anniversary?

>> No.8194958 [DELETED] 

>>8194852
Some people have had technical problems with 20th Anniversary, but it has a new extra episode and dev commentary. Megaton is no longer sold, but you can get the Atomic edition on Zoom Platform. It has all the same content as the Megaton edition, which was the base game plus a few old expansion packs. No matter what version you own, even the Megaton edition, you're missing out on something. I doubt World Tour works with mods, so I recommend the Atomic edition.

>> No.8194959

>>8194852
>What's better out of Megaton and 20th Anniversary?

megaton was based on Polymost. if I am not mistaken. In many ways it is better, because it keeps the original >grp system in place, for easy mossing and editing. It's really easy to install Megaton and load the content using EDuke32 if you want to. 20th Anniversary no longer uses the .grp files. It can't be modded easily like the other ports. It does have a nice selection of new levels. But Megaton Edition came with all expansion packs and had the option to play the original DOS game using dosbox from the loader.

>> No.8194970

>>8194959
>>8194852
Some people have had technical problems with 20th Anniversary, but it has a new extra episode and dev commentary. Megaton is no longer sold, but you can get the Atomic edition on Zoom Platform. It has all the same content as the Megaton edition, which was the base game plus a few old expansion packs(that aren't in 20th Anniversary). No matter what version you own, even the Megaton edition, you're missing out on something. I doubt World Tour works with mods, so I recommend the Atomic edition.

>> No.8194985
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>>8194958
>No matter what version you own, even the Megaton edition, you're missing out on something.

really, you're not missing anything by going with the Megaton Edition. Megaton is just another source port of Duke Nukem 3D. The content it comes packaged with are the standard .GRP files. Which are the same .GRP files packaged with Atomic Edition. 20th Anniversary really does remove the original .GRP filing system. So you can't just grab the 20th anniversary levels and throw them intto eDuke32.

>> No.8195058

>>8194985
>you're not missing anything by going with the Megaton Edition
With Megaton you're missing the new episode and dev commentary. With 20th Anniversary you're missing the expansions. There's no version that has both.

>> No.8195080

>>8194586
Megaton is better, World Tour fucks shit up but the new episode is worth playing with a source port.

>> No.8195098

>>8195058
>>you're not missing anything by going with the Megaton Edition
>With Megaton you're missing the new episode and dev commentary. With 20th Anniversary you're missing the expansions. There's no version that has both.

Oh. I misinterpreted what you were saying. yes, it doesn't have the 20th Anniversary content. What I meant was, MegaTon Edition has all of the .GRP files (Build's version of .WAD files) untouched from the DOS Atomic Edition + expansion packs.

>> No.8195101

Why the fuck are there so many versions of this fucking game. It's not like they're all fan made source ports, its all official and its a fucking mess.

>> No.8195132 [DELETED] 

>>8195101
>Why the fuck are there so many versions of this fucking game.

Current 3D Realms (not the Scott Miller owned one) released Megaton Edition on Steam and GOG. It basically was a retail source port, not Eduke32. I do not know the details, but gearbox, who owns the rights to Duke Nukem, removed megaton and all over legacy Duke Nukem games, and replaced it with their own port called Duke Nukem 20th Anniversary. The biggest issue with Duke Nukem 20th Anniversary is that it is not easily to like the OG DOS Duke Nukem3D, or any of the source ports. They made the game incompatible, so the new episode wouldn't be easy to pirate and load on EDuke32 or even the <egaton Edition.

>> No.8195139

>>8195101
>Why the fuck are there so many versions of this fucking game.

Current 3D Realms (not the Scott Miller owned one) released Megaton Edition on Steam and GOG. It basically was a retail source port, and not Eduke32. I do not know the details, but Gearbox, who now owns the rights to Duke Nukem, removed Megaton and all other legacy Duke Nukem games, and replaced it with their own port called Duke Nukem 20th Anniversary. The biggest issue with Duke Nukem 20th Anniversary is that it is not easily to like the OG DOS Duke Nukem 3D, or any of the source ports. They made the game incompatible, so the new episode wouldn't be easy to pirate and load on EDuke32 or even the Megaton Edition.

>> No.8195152

>>8195101
I guess if you wanted to be generous, you could argue that Megaton was for people on Steam that just wanted workship support and didn't want to go through the "hassle" that was grabbing the GOG version + a sourceport, though it did also come with the expansion packs as a bonus and went on sale often.
20th Anniversary though I still don't get the logic of. The "True 3D" mode looks nice, and the 5th episode was great, but it felt like they didn't make the most out of it by adding a 6th episode as an update, or even just making a new game entirely out of new episodes while using Duke 3D as a base. The level commentary is mostly contained to the first and 5th episodes IIRC, I guess it was just down to Randy wanting an excuse for people to buy it on PS4/Xbone/Switch

>> No.8195227
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>>8194596
it exists, it's 90 percent complete, and the gigafaggot who performed "the bigot song" is holding it hostage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BmuPUiYAX8
someone please kill trandy bitchford

leaked gameplay from the 2001 build because not enough people have seen this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX0pfzoFDGU

>> No.8195282

>>8195227
I will genuinely never forgive Randy for that. Let the people decide what happens to 2001 DNF or how it was, its not like it matters since Gearbox has done fuck all with the IP besides yet another re-release of Duke 3D and a shitty skin/waste of JSJ's time by including him in a Bulletstorm re-release.
I can only hope that by THQ-Nordic's parent company acquiring them, there's gonna be a shakeup at Gearbox.

>> No.8195285

>>8195139
Megaton was never released on GOG, GOG only had Atomic Edition before Randy Dandy demanded it got pulled. Megaton was steam only.

>> No.8195296

>>8195152
>I guess if you wanted to be generous, you could argue that Megaton was for people on Steam that just wanted workship support and didn't want to go through the "hassle" that was grabbing the GOG version + a sourceport, though it did also come with the expansion packs as a bonus and went on sale often.

Also, Megaton has/ had a native Linux version too on Steam. When Megaton was originally released. It was OK, but still beat out by Eduke32. But the MegaTon devs did update it quite frequently, and it became a really good port before it was removed. If you have it on Steam, you can still enable the betas too, which did try to fix some things.

>> No.8195306

>>8195285
>Megaton was never released on GOG, GOG only had Atomic Edition before Randy Dandy demanded it got pulled. Megaton was steam only.

Oh, sorry. I was mistaken. GOG had Atomic, the expansions (I think?), Duke Nukem 1, Duke Nukem 2, Duke Nukem Manhattan Project, balls of Steel (with Duke Nukem table) , which were all removed by GearBox.

>> No.8195371

>>8195227
Why the absolute fuck was this a twitter conversation

>> No.8195375

Why don't they even retire poor old JSJ. When he dies, Duke can't die with him.

>> No.8195485
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>>8194985
>So you can't just grab the 20th anniversary levels and throw them intto eDuke32.
Yes, you can.
https://forums.duke4.net/topic/8966-world-tour-eduke32-compatibility-stopgap/

Why even post in a thread if you're uninformed? Just to waste everyone's time?

>> No.8195554

>>8195485
>Why even post in a thread if you're uninformed? Just to waste everyone's time?

Just to waste my own time? And, I knew it was possible. But, it is still not as easy to mod as the standard Duke 3D. It's not like they changed the actual engine. reorganised the file system.

>> No.8197118

>>8194852
Megaton
>more glitchy
>no true widescreen
>no classic renderer, only opengl
>has all 3 original expansions

20th Anniversary
>less glitchy
>true widescreen
>has classic renderer and a more modern renderer with dynamic lights added to the maps
>doesn't have the original 3 expansions but has a new one by the 2 main original level designers

>> No.8199551

>>8197118
He answered it.
t.bh I feel that World Tour gets more hate than it deserves. The new episode fits perfectly, legit feels like something from 1998 and in a good way.

>> No.8199568

>>8194586
RAZE

>> No.8199571

>>8197118
Megaton
>shitty mouse movement
>runs fine

20th Anniversary
>even shittier mouse movement
>framerate drops on anything that's not a top-tier PC at times

>> No.8199576
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>>8194586
Megaton is the definitive version. World Tour was just some gay ass shit cashgrab for the new IP owner.

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Atomic on Rednukem.

>> No.8199668

Megaton is pretty much still the best official collection of Duke 3D and it's expansions.
Though these days you can also run it through something like Raze or EDuke32.
World Tour's only good bit is the new map set, which can be played in other engines anyway.

>> No.8200013

>>8199641
whats so good about rednukem?

>> No.8200113
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I am sure this has been said a million times, but just download EDuke32 and use Atomic Edition Edition or Megaton Edition. I personally ripped my files from Duke Nukem 3D Atomic Edition CD and played this way, but the Internet Archive is your friend. It's not like the original devs are getting any money for the games anymore. If you want, donate through their EDuke32 page. The source port is getting updates weekly and people who worked on the original game, made it. You should also try out some of the expansions. Life's and Beach and Duke it out in D.C. are really good. I would suggest skipping all the rest because their quality is pretty subpar

>> No.8200563

>>8200013
It's EDuke32 but accurate, can run original demos etc.

>> No.8200567

>>8194586
just pirate the game and get eduke32

>> No.8200603

>>8200567
>just pirate the game and get eduke32

All you really need is the Atomic.GRP (or Duke3D.GRP) file. The Megaton Edition has them all located in its file directories, and you can grab and drop them into any of the source ports, or original executable s.

>> No.8200713

>>8200113
> It's not like the original devs are getting any money for the games anymore.

... and of course you know this because you've looked at their contracts

>> No.8200716

>>8200113
>>8200713
Besides, Alan H Blum, Levelord, Lee Jackson and Randy Pitchford were all directly involved in the 20th Anniversary version. They were all original devs.

>> No.8200868

>>8200716
>>8200713
I think everyone else besides Randy (who actually only did a few levels on Atomic Edition, if I remember correctly) wouldn't care. It's a 25 year old game and there are still to this day, bitter court battles over the IP

>https://dukenukem.fandom.com/wiki/Levels_in_Duke_Nukem_3D

>> No.8201796

>>8194698
>censorship
>n64 controller
cringe

>> No.8202430

>>8200868
>I think

You "know" things and "think" things. You're just making up excuses out of your ass to justify piracy.

Whether or not devs get money directly from sales (=royalties) depend on their contract, and you can't know this without looking at each dev's contract individually. This is true whether the game is old or is a new. If someone has royalties and the game is bought by another company down the line, the contract carries over and the dev would still get royalties. Now on top of this, these original devs mentionned above were directly involved in making new content for the re-release so they'd get something for that too.

All of this is besides the point anyway because many devs don't care about royalties and just want a stable pay while working on the game: for many one sure thing you get now is better then a "maybe you'll get something later". Does this mean you shouldn't buy the game, even when it's new, because "the devs aren't getting anything from the sales?"

>> No.8203716

>>8199551
>1998
>bazinga

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>>8201796
Censorship? Maybe in some instances. Personally i prefer the "censored" babes with their chests ripped open. Also, the N64 controller is a fine controller. You are either a sperg, or have fallen for the meme.

>> No.8204258

>>8203716
He means in terms of level design, not one cringe easter egg (almost certainly put in to spite fans).

>> No.8204631

>>8195058
With eduke you can play all expansions and the new episode. Also those expansions what weren't included on megaton.

>> No.8204658

>>8200013
You can play duke 64 with it.