/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8193673]

Is there really a point to playing gta III and vice city if I already played San Andreas a lot? The games all look very similar

[Anonymous No.8193760]

It depends what you're looking for in a GTA game. A badass story that makes you feel in power, the best music selection and overall faithfulness to the 80s? Then yes, play Vice City. If you just want something as deep as San Andreas mechanic-wise, then no. Not that VC pales in comparison, far from it, but maybe you'll miss certain features (i.e. diving)

[Anonymous No.8193784]

>>8193673
>The games all look very similar
They don't? I mean I agree when people say that stuff about Mega Man or Dragon Quest for example but how the fuck are GTA games similar?

[Anonymous No.8193790]

>>8193673
>it's time for this thread again already
Skip 3. Vice City is the best PS2 game

[Anonymous No.8193795]

both have elements that SA dropped and lack elements that made SA into a different kind of game. They had no rpg level up mechanics, less sprawling map without the rural dead space, a more arcade-y knockabout gameplay style and things like drug powerups that change the game's physics and rampages. So they feel different enough from SA. Vice city and 3 are very similar to each other tho, the main difference being setting/atmosphere and vc having a much more fleshed out story and soundtrack.

[Anonymous No.8193797]

>>8193790
incredibly correct response

[Anonymous No.8193802]

I would play VC just for this

[Anonymous No.8193849]

I'll be real with you, man, 3 and Vice City are not that good.
3's city is really REALLY good, and it's much darker in places, but every cutscene is pretty much "go do thing aight bye", and it gets boring really fucking fast.
VC cutscenes, atmosphere and radio are top notch, but it's such a chore to actually play the missions, there is so much fucking escort, timed and vehicle combat missions, god forbid you'll have to replay any of those more than twice. The islands are pretty dead compared to 3 as well. Still worth it for voice acting alone.
Basically, play 3 until you'll get bored - then swap to VC. In either cases don't even bother with anything not related to main missions aside from Rampages, and do not think about 100%, it's a slog of a highest order.

[Anonymous No.8193871]

vc has better interiors than SA
it also has better music and style

[Anonymous No.8193875]

>>8193849
I wanted to call you a faggot and a nigger but now that I think about it, Vice City does have tons of gimmicky missions and unfortunately those may overshadow the few great ones. Maybe I got blinded by everything else -which was nothing short of phenomenal - and as much as I still would like to call you a faggot and a nigger, your critique is undeniable

[Anonymous No.8194101]

>>8193673
Depends what you're looking for. 3 is personally my favourite due to the bleak tone and MSX FM soundtrack. Both it and vice city are really good at capturing the time periods they go for (millennium and 80s)

[Anonymous No.8194121]

>>8193790
>skipping any mainline gta
Cringe.

[Anonymous No.8194385]

>>8194121
>unironically using the word cringe
cringe

[Anonymous No.8194397]

>>8193673
I replay them for the nostalgia. If you weren't there, you wouldn't miss it. 2001 was such a different time. It's crazy to think 3 came out around after 9/11.

[Anonymous No.8194507]

>>8193760
Fuck that is one nice view.

To answer the OP's question, I'd say yeah there is. Same goes for the PSP prequels.

God I love these 5.

[Anonymous No.8194524]

>>8193673
Yes.

They only look similar because of the renderware engine. Literally everything about story, characters, setting, etc, is drastically different. It keeps some similar feel for jokes and serious tone, but that is it.

Also just get the trilogy remaster when it launches soon. SA is by far the best of the three, but the others are close enough to warrant a play. Even more so when they release them again.

[Anonymous No.8194573]

To have fun

[Anonymous No.8196071]

vice city is the only game in the series with good characters, story, ost, atmosphere
san andreas has better gameplay
the other games are all subpar one way or another

[Anonymous No.8196264]

>>8193673
both games feel more arcade by comparison, it´s pretty easy to ride a bike for example, meanwhile in San Andreas both the car and motorbike had weight and gravity like mechanics that made them more "realistic", for example if that Jeffrey mission had been in VC, the mission would´ve been a lot more easier because of the arcade mechanics

[Anonymous No.8196383]

>>8193673
Yes Vice City is worth playing. The story was a huge improvement on GTA3, and the overall game has this very specific feel that you don't find in San Andreas (because SA has its own feel too, the overall art direction for these games were really amazing).

The map is kinda small, but it is all very well tied together, it feels big, and every section has soul in its own way.

San Andreas is objectively the best of the 3 games when it comes to gameplay features, but beside that, VC has nothing to envy of SA.

[Anonymous No.8196393]

>>8193784
Only the original two and london 1969 differ vastly from 3 until present. Otherwise yeah, they’re essentially the same game just with more details with each series entry.

[Anonymous No.8196551]

GTA III is a janky mess not worth playing anymore. Yes, it was groundbreaking at the time, but it got a bunch of things not even remotely right that were improved upon massively by the following titles. VC has great atmosphere (borrows heavily from Scarface and Miami Vice) and is still worth a cheeky playthrough, I don't think it's as lengthy as SA either and plays virtually the same besides the fact that you can't swim and there are no airplanes.

[Anonymous No.8196578]

>>8196551
>cheeky playthrough
Post completely disregarded, fuck off back to LADBible's comment sections on Facebook.

[Anonymous No.8196580]

>>8196578
cry harder because you got triggered by a single word

[Anonymous No.8196661]

>>8193802
As a kid I thought rampages were given by Love Fist, just because of the skull.

[Anonymous No.8196697]

>>8193875
I like the gimmicky missions, I will actually call you a faggot I'm afraid, simply because if game developers listened to you then you end up with games that have fuck all variety because you get filtered as soon as the gameplay changes.
>Waah why do I have to fly a toy helicopter in a game about stealing cars!?
>Waaaah! Why do I have to play as Knuckles in *SONIC* Adventure!?
>WAAAAAH! Why do I have to solve puzzles in my FPS!
Modern games pander to you and that's why they're all dull as fuck.

[Anonymous No.8196825]

>>8196697
Your level of obsession is through the roof, chill out man. I've never said the gimmicky missions were shit, just different and perhaps some people don't like that. I've simply admitted the game has those, but personally, I like them. Maybe you should stay away from this website for a while, otherwise you won't differentiate between zoomers and contrarians to people who actually came here to discuss genuinely.

[Anonymous No.8196836]

>re3 dead again
FUCK TAKE TWO.

[Anonymous No.8196839]

>>8194524
>Also just get the trilogy remaster when it launches soon.
In b4 it is based off the mobile versions and thus, shit.

[Anonymous No.8196856]

Gimmicky missions make things fun.

COME TO DADDY HAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.8196860]

[Anonymous No.8196880]

>>8196825
You couldn't have written a more tryhard cope.

[Anonymous No.8196937]

>>8193673
There are moments in VC that are totally unique to that game. Cruising on a motorcycle at night listening to Blondie while you build your cocaine empire just feels good.

[Anonymous No.8196973]

>>8196697
Based

>>8196825
>>8196551
>>8193849
Kys faggot

[Anonymous No.8197489]

>>8196880
You couldn't be more zoomer

[Anonymous No.8197508]

>be me yesterday night
>playing vice city
>got some weed after a long time
>decide to roll one while still playing
>i park my banshee in the vegetation near the sea in ocean beach
>listen to the radio and the occasional advertisement from the game
>light up
>instant relapse in anxiety
>fuck it
>i still play and drive away
>i now identify as a scared tommy vercetti who got a bad trip from weed and the thing is getting out of hand fast
>proceed to close the game without even saving
this is why you don't do drugs

[Anonymous No.8197546]

>>8197508
lol just chew a couple of peppercorns next time you get this anxious

[Anonymous No.8197552]

>>8193673
i still love this game even after 20 years

[Anonymous No.8197663]

>>8197546
i snorted it and you're saying to me eating it was better? for fuck's sake if only i knew earlier

[Anonymous No.8197947]

>>8193673
Vice City has one of the best atmospheres in any video game so yeah

[Anonymous No.8198668]

>>8194397
This is what I assume most zoomers will not understand. At the time there really wasn't anything like GTA III and Vice City. Even San Andreas was still pretty unique when it came out with very few open world games even being a thing besides the GTA games before it. Before GTA III you had the 2D GTA games which imo aren't even worth playing today and I remember Driver 2 I think it was. It was way too limited though and you had cop cars running right through you as if you were a ghost. No ability to cause mayhem either. So the PS2 GTA's were setting a trend that we see all over gaming today.

[Anonymous No.8198783]

If you liked San Andreas you should play the others, I've played through every GTA, I'd rate them like this

>San Andreas
>Vice City Stories
>3
>Vice City
>Liberty City Stories

[Anonymous No.8200347]

Yeah.

[Anonymous No.8200371]

I don't think there's much point playing GTA when all is said and done. There was a period of a few years there where they got to own the novelty of being some of the only open world driving games around, but apart from that, the gameplay's kind of bad, and they pretty much just appeal to 00's wigger sensibilities.

[Anonymous No.8200410]

>>8193760
>A badass story that makes you feel in power, the best music selection and overall faithfulness to the 80s? Then yes, play Vice City.
Lmao what? VC is not the game that comes to feeling in power whatsoever. Tommy is supposedly a kingpin yet he's stuck for half of the game doing goon work. It's like Skyrim where you are the baddest motherfucker ever yet the guards still mock you and you still get jumped by bandits on the roads.

[Anonymous No.8200437]

>>8200410
>Tommy is supposedly a kingpin
He isn't until the end of the game - Tommy is just a hardened mobster and sonny doesn't want tommy around to undermine him, hence sending him off to vice city.,

[Anonymous No.8200441]

>>8200437
>He isn't until the end of the game
You forget that Tommy fills in the vacuum left after he killed Ricardo Diaz and is the local kingpin.

[Anonymous No.8200448]

>>8200441
That is basically the last third of the game him cementing his position. The majority of VC has tommy essentially being a foot soldier for them overs and shakers to unfuck the situation her is in - hardly something I would describe as being a kingpin.

[Anonymous No.8200457]

>>8200448
>The majority of VC has tommy essentially being a foot soldier for them overs and shakers to unfuck the situation her is in - hardly something I would describe as being a kingpin.
He has foot soldiers right after killing Diaz and yet is doing work for the others. That's weak as fuck.

[Anonymous No.8200518]

>>8200457
You've got a point about the asset missions but some of them were great.

[Anonymous No.8200548]

>>8200518
They were fun but it goes to show that Rockstar made a mistake turning Tommy into Discount Scarface. By making him a kingpin, he would get a shit ton of heat from the local law enforcement. and that means wiretappings, setups, RICO lawsuits, and that opens up a lot of fun possibilities that unfortunately would take away the open-world aspect of GTA.

He should have stayed a hired gun like Claude, that way we have a reason for him to do all this manual labor.

[Anonymous No.8200559]

>>8200548
> Rockstar made a mistake turning Tommy into Discount Scarface. By making him a kingpin, he would get a shit ton of heat from the local law enforcement. and that means wiretappings, setups, RICO lawsuits, and that opens up a lot of fun possibilities that unfortunately would take away the open-world aspect of GTA.
VCS managed to do that far better, oddly enough.

THE PLACE IS BUGGED

[Anonymous No.8200569]

>>8200559
>VCS managed to do that far better, oddly enough.
I love VCS more than VC, but it had the same issue as VC of story not being affected by gameplay. We can own multiple fronts across Miami making $25,000 every day at noon but the story has Vic complaining about not making enough money to help his family make ends meet.

I think we can all agree CTW did it best.

[Anonymous No.8200597]

>>8200569
Yeah, fair point. I never liked the constant money generation aspect of VCS, it seemed to make the game too easy.

>CTW
I've never played that. I've never played a GTA game past VCS to be honest with you.

[Anonymous No.8200612]

>>8200597
>I've never played that. I've never played a GTA game past VCS to be honest with you.
Okay, so here's the gist of it: you're a Chinese gangster looking for the guy who killed your dad in LC. Simple premise but the minigame where you deal drugs is what made the game very popular. Your bosses are cheap fucks who rarely pay you so you have to make money on your own time by meeting up with drug dealers over the course of the game, buying and selling drugs.

[Anonymous No.8200670]

>>8200612
Fair enough, sounds interesting.

[Anonymous No.8202641]

>>8200457
IIRC all the missions that are unlocked after Rub Out are Vercetti Estate and Asset Missions. I think the only missions for other people that can still be completed are side missions and they’re all doable before killing Diaz. A few years ago I did a play through where I purposely tried to complete every side mission before killing Diaz and it actually flows better, you kill Diaz way too early in the game just playing the story missions.

[Anonymous No.8202645]

>>8200612
>Your bosses are cheap fucks who rarely pay you
Sounds like GTA Jewish Quarter Wars

[Anonymous No.8202862]

>>8197508
it's entirely legal thanks to a loophole by the FDA

[Anonymous No.8202886]

Vice City had those unexpected twists and gimmicks.
The whole voodoo lady arc.
The golf course mission NICE ASS BABY!!

[Anonymous No.8203227]

>>8202641
>A few years ago I did a play through where I purposely tried to complete every side mission before killing Diaz and it actually flows better, you kill Diaz way too early in the game just playing the story missions.
Said this before but when I first got Vice City Stories I rushed the fuck out of it and felt really unsatisfied at the end. I went back and took my time with it and it was so much better than I thought.

GTA games are far better when you take your time with them.

[Anonymous No.8203234]

My favorite thing about the GTA games is exploring and driving trough the city, so if you like that too, you would probably enjoy those games too.

[Anonymous No.8203928]

>>8196551
>VC plays virtually the same as SA
It has completely different gunplay.
>GTA III is a janky mess not worth playing anymore
Nah, it is not THAT janky. But you are right, the story is nonexistent and the gameplay is barebones. If OP isn't looking for a very specific turn of the millenia megapolis atmosphere that 3 has heaps of, VC made it obsolete (i still think that 3 has better map though).

[Anonymous No.8203936]

>>8197508

[Anonymous No.8203937]

>>8203928
>VC made it obsolete
3 had the better missions and pacing, while VC was more of the worst aspects of 3.

[Anonymous No.8205438]

>>8193673
yes, because vice city is one of the comfiest games ever made

[Anonymous No.8206323]

>>8196393
I never played London but I loved playing GTA2 on PC as a kid. Before I owned it I had that demo where you get five minutes to play before the bomb on your chest explodes, it was tons of fun to get surrounded by the cops right at the last minute to see how many you take out in death.

[Anonymous No.8206571]

III - Pure distilled 3D GTA gameplay. Everything you need and nothing you don't.
Vice - Buggier version of III with a bunch of new features tacked on.
San Andreas - Further into simulation territory.

[Anonymous No.8206584]

>>8206571
I hated the RPG aspects of SA. Just let me play the game, goddamnit.

[Anonymous No.8206585]

>>8203928
>It has completely different gunplay.
Are you talking about consoles? I can't remember any discernible difference on PC where these games SHOULD be played.

[Anonymous No.8206727]

>>8206585
>PC where these games SHOULD be played
Why? What improvement does having all the controls for a controller shat all across a keyboard? Or lacking graphical details you have to mod back into the game? Or getting 60fps and having the physics freak the fuck out?

[Anonymous No.8207070]

>>8206585
san andreas without the ps2 enhancements mod looks like complete washed out shit on PC
i also recall 3 and VC missing some effects from the PS2 originals as well.

[Anonymous No.8207151]

>>8206585
In VC and III the camera is locked and you can't move while you shoot anything other than pistol, SMG or flamethrower, IIRC. You definitely can't move while shoot crouching. In SA, at least on PC where i played it, you have free cam and have to aim with RMB, then shoot (you can shoot while moving around without aiming, but it is very imprecise). III and VC have rather rudimentary shooting mechanics on PC and lock-on on consoles, and SA has kinda modern 3rd person console shooting, but crude.

[Anonymous No.8207195]

>>8193673
San Andreas looks considerably worse than either game.

[Anonymous No.8207642]

>>8193673
There's two types of classic GTA players:
The ones who enjoys the aspects of the game like story, music, characters, etc
And the ones who wants to keep shitting around, doing causing havoc, destroying shit, etc
Second ones normally did this because they couldn't read english

[Anonymous No.8208823]

>>8207642
Imagine being this fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.8209101]

>>8207642
Imagine being this fucking intelligent.

[Anonymous No.8209118]

probably for the soundtrack/radio and the atmosphere it helps to create

[Anonymous No.8209125]

>>8193673
GTAIII is probably the weakest game of the bunch, but it's worth checking out for its historical significance and its gloomy Y2K atmosphere.

Vice City is soulful 80's atmosphere, nostalgia, and best soundtrack by far, I feel like it captures the essence of 80's American culture better than just about any other game out there and is worth playing for that alone.

[Anonymous No.8209148]

>>8209125
>nostalgia
This is the most retarded criteria to praise something for.

[Anonymous No.8210548]

>>8207642
>Second ones normally did this because they couldn't read english
The San Andreas fanbase, it was their first GTA on their first console, the PS2.

[Anonymous No.8210551]

>>8209125
>I feel like it captures the essence of 80's American culture better than just about any other game out there and is worth playing for that alone.
Nah, Vice City Stories did it better since it wasn't trying to be Discount-Scarface.

[Anonymous No.8210579]

>>8209125
I still think GTA 3 is a decent PS2 game in its own right
Not the best GTA for sure but a decent PS2 game, better than basically all of the games which ripped GTA off

[Anonymous No.8210587]

>>8210551
Vcs sucked dick

[Anonymous No.8210628]

>>8210587

[Anonymous No.8210631]

>>8210587
It literally made VC obsolete. More content, better controls, better pacing. Only thing VC has over VCS is OST and that's arguable.

[Anonymous No.8210654]

>>8210631
I'd say the soundtrack in VCS is the only thing it inarguably has over VC, so even with me preferring VC I think we'd have to come to an agreement that VCS has the better soundtrack.

[Anonymous No.8210679]

>>8210654
>I'd say the soundtrack in VCS is the only thing it inarguably has over VC,
how

[Anonymous No.8210680]

>>8210679
Grew up with VC and didn't play VCS until years later, never fully connected with it.

[Anonymous No.8210743]

>>8210654
>I'd say the soundtrack in VCS is the only thing it inarguably has over VC
Anon please, the gameplay of VCS shits on the autolock aiming/first person aiming of VC and the PC version too.

[Anonymous No.8211683]

>>8210680
I did the same. To say VCS has nothing over VC is being ignorant.

[Anonymous No.8212075]

>>8196836
Textures should be scalable vectors

[Anonymous No.8212162]

>>8210551
VCS' story didn't make sense with the gameplay
>No I don't want to deal drugs!
But then you can build an entire empire on drugs
>We need money to save our brother!
Can easily be a multi-millionaire when you've built up your empire.

[Anonymous No.8212169]

>>8212162
Even outside of the logical inconsistencies like that, VCS' story isn't very good. The characters are all very one dimensional.

[Anonymous No.8212182]

>>8209148

[Anonymous No.8212194]

Should I play III on PS2 or OGXbox?

[Anonymous No.8213595]

Vice City is smaller but more concentrated and doesn't have busywork like SA does with grinding skills and girlfriends and eating and shit. And VC never leaves me stranded in the wildreness because I didn't drive at a right distance from the train.

[Anonymous No.8213612]

>>8212194
Xbox or PC for III + Vice City, you get fingers and no or little post processing effects were cut from these ports.

PS2/PC with PS2 Enhancement mod for San Andreas. Every other port is over-bright garbage with incorrect lighting and destroys the atmosphere of the game.

[Anonymous No.8215148]

>>8194101
>MSX FM
Man of a culture

[Anonymous No.8215760]

>>8193673
San Andreas is souless trash. VC is the peak of the GTA series.

[Anonymous No.8216242]

just play through 3 and VC
then 100% SA

[Anonymous No.8218825]

2D GTA > 3D GTA

[Anonymous No.8218830]

>>8193849
>every cutscene is pretty much "go do thing aight bye"
The fact that it’s a video game and not a movie is supposed to be a problem?