Shmup thread

[Anonymous No.8189439]

The bullets won't stop coming edition.
What you playin?
Discuss strategies and good ol' shooters/STGs.

[Anonymous No.8189442]

>>8189439
I don't know what to play. What kind of stuff do they have on steam these days?

[Anonymous No.8189446]

Cho Aniki

[Anonymous No.8189456]

>>8189442
Can't go wrong with Mushihimesama it's a great port.

[Anonymous No.8189458]

[Anonymous No.8189460]

>>8189442
Crimzon Clover's Arrange mode if you can wait until December
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1718160/

[Anonymous No.8189463]

Battle Mania.

[Anonymous No.8189471]

>>8189442
can't go wrong with touhou

[Anonymous No.8189473]

>>8189458
>>8189463
based pops

[Anonymous No.8189482]

>>8189463
The soundtrack to BM2 makes me cum
https://youtu.be/uzPOwwNSOQM

[Anonymous No.8189494]

>it's a "the shmup company forces you to go through a boring first loop to get to an actual interesting difficulty instead of offering difficulty modes" episode
guess who?

[Anonymous No.8189514]

>>8189458
Been playing this as well. Absolutely loving it and getting close(I think) to beating it. This has to be the best Genesis ost ever made. Between this and recently beating Thunderforce 3 I think I'm starting to become a shump fan. I even picked up a Thunderforce 2 in the wild just a few days ago to complete my Thunderforce Genesis trilogy.

[Anonymous No.8189525]

>>8189494
well they learned their lesson eventually. though I wonder how many people ruined their experience of mushi et al by first playing original mode or its equivalents

[Anonymous No.8189530]

>>8189525
>though I wonder how many people ruined their experience of mushi et al by first playing original mode
none? because if it wasn't to their liking they'd pick a different mode.

[Anonymous No.8189542]

>>8189482
Blue Sky Laundry is so fucking good.

[Anonymous No.8189553]

Why are shmups the only good genre? Every other genre is cancerous as fuck and full of garbage.

>>8189482
is there an arcade shmup similar to BM2??

[Anonymous No.8189557]

>>8189442
Are you asking for "good games for a beginner" or "best of the best"?

For the former, I'd suggest M.U.S.H.A. Aleste, Darius Gaiden, or Touhou's 7, 8, or 10. Those are the three I started out with. Of them, Darius is probably the toughest, but none of them off too much complexity for someone just starting out, and I still heavily enjoy them after playing them off and on for years.

For the latter, there's Battle Garegga, Ketsui and Dragon Blaze. Garegga's music is great, the scoring is very deep by design, and the rank system will keep you on your toes every second. Ketsui offers a scoring system that, while obtuse, let's you go about your own path and still get decent scores, as well as two different 2nd loops each with their own scoring mechanics and difficulty. Dragon Blaze is just a culmination of all things Psikyo; challenging first loop, punishing second loop, and the randomized stages keep the game feeling fresh.

[Anonymous No.8189609]

>>8189460
So happy this is coming PC.

[Anonymous No.8189645]

>>8189442
>>8189456
Not retro, but why no one ever mentions ZeroRanger?

[Anonymous No.8189667]

>>8189645
because it's not that good

[Anonymous No.8189685]

>>8189456
>>8189460
>>8189471
>>8189645
Thanks for the thoughts, bros.

>>8189557
Ah, easy, hard whatever, I'm just after high quality games I can enjoy. I have actually been playing a little Dragon Blaze. It is certainly above my skill level but I like the theme and the polished feel. I even kinda like the enemy weak-point mechanic, it's a specific challenge.
The only shmups I am decent at are Area 88 on the snes and Aero Fighters 2. I'm just exploring the genre a bit these days.

[Anonymous No.8189694]

>>8189456
Man I've played almost all of those games and hated them except Jamestown+ and Nuclear Throne. Really bad taste.

[Anonymous No.8189696]

>>8189439
Soukyugurentai for the Saturn or PS1 is pretty amazing, imho.
Try it sometime, OP.

[Anonymous No.8189724]

>>8189694
>hating Raiden IV, Kamui, Eschatos, Satazius, CCWI, Kaikan, DS, DariusBurst
>liking Jamestown and Nuclear Throne

[Anonymous No.8189803]

>>8189482
This sounds like farts and tin cans. How can you listen to this shit?

[Anonymous No.8189837]

>>8189803
>muh production fidelity
irrelevant, just like 4k 144hz graphix don't matter zoomie.

[Anonymous No.8189902]

I wish I was a anime girl

[Anonymous No.8190107]

>>8189902
2DPD pathetic

[Anonymous No.8190123]

Avoid the Cotton Saturn Tribute games. Both the Switch and PS4 versions have an ungodly amount of input lag. Do not support City Connection's lazy ports.

https://imgur.com/a/o0bjy6A

[Anonymous No.8190158]

Da ree us

Grey dee us

Those are both supposed to be pronounced the Roman way, right? I imagine Gradius would be pronounced exactly like Gladius in Japanese though so I might be saying it wrong.

[Anonymous No.8190207]

>>8190123
Shopped.

[Anonymous No.8190234]

>>8189458
> localized as Lightening Force
what the fuck was their problem

[Anonymous No.8190370]

tfw you won't be ready to do runs for at least another few months. Have to get 90% consistent on everything first.

[Anonymous No.8190383]

>>8189694
Those games have had a well sized dedicated fan base for longer than Jamestown or Nuclear throne. Deathsmiles, Raiden IV and CCWI are simply amazing and at release were a welcome addition from superplayers who were tired of the usual formulae the only real reason you hate good games is because you are a shit player who can't grasp them i'l bet my feminine breasts on it. Mushihimesama was also one of the most requested games for a port before steam.

[Anonymous No.8190392]

>>8189456
Ikaruga is the fairest STG, why would you bother wasting time on shitty Cave, Doujin and touhou when you could be playing a methodical masterpiece instead?

[Anonymous No.8190441]

I think Progear is actually too hard for me. I think I am actually too shit to ever git gud at this. The only reason I keep picking at it is sunk cost fallacy. Stage 5 is just not gonna happen for me.

[Anonymous No.8190442]

>>8190392
Because it requires you to play it like a robot. It's not a flexible game and routes are so demanding that there's only one optimal path in every stage.

[Anonymous No.8190446]

I like to play and not care about scores or continues

:)

[Anonymous No.8190492]

>>8190446
I do it all, I'm flexible like that.
>>8190442
One optimal solution isn't a bad thing in theory, and you'll never play optimally let's be real. Secondly, MaZ is constantly proving this wrong and finding new improvements to things that seemed optimal.

[Anonymous No.8190531]

>>8190441
First loop is fine for you. You need a stronger mindset and good practice techniques that's all.

[Anonymous No.8190558]

>>8189463
Blessed.

[Anonymous No.8190617]

>>8190383
Raiden IV is trash. The bullet visibility is fucking terrible and the whole game is a soulless shooting gallery with terrible enemy, boss, and level designs.

[Anonymous No.8190828]

>>8190446
Answer honestly:
>a) What is your level of commitment to gender on a scale of 1 to 10?
>b) What is your level of commitment to that board? We listen to you, be honest.

[Anonymous No.8191274]

good evening

[Anonymous No.8191276]

One day I want to 1cc ikaruga
>Easy is not any easier than Normal and in some ways harder
Fuck off and throw me a bone, Jesus

[Anonymous No.8191306]

>>8191276
>ikaruga
reject the basedpill

[Anonymous No.8191318]

bros, now that pleasuredome is down, are there any sites that have up-to-date MAME split roms for download?

[Anonymous No.8191323]

>>8191306
based. Treasure has never developed a good videogame in their life and fucked up Gradius along with Contra, Castlevania and Silpheed.

[Anonymous No.8191353]

>>8191276
Getting S++ rank on every stage (any difficulty) is way harder.

[Anonymous No.8191356]

>>8189803
You have shit taste anon

[Anonymous No.8191357]

Au contraire, Treasure not only made the most creative and innovative shmups in Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga, but also made the only good Gradius game. Try again, troll.

[Anonymous No.8191358]

>>8191318
retroroms

[Anonymous No.8191383]

>>8191357
TREASURE
ONLY
MADE
2
GOOD
GAMES

BANGAI-O
PRINCESS CROWN

[Anonymous No.8191405]

Should I play original Battle Garegga on Beetle Saturn or the Rev. 2016 on PS4?

The bullets are really hard to see in the Saturn version, the rank is hidden, and it's also partially in Japanese.

[Anonymous No.8191407]

>>8191357
>the most creative and innovative shmups in Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga,
Copymonkeying puzzle games such as columns and puyo for the scoring system and injecting that into shmups isn't being innovative.

>but also made the only good Gradius game.
You only like that one because it's the most casual-friendly. Microscopic hitboxes, increased shot fire frequency so hitting things is easier, no checkpoints, easy stages with dreadful pacing until the game starts to finally pick up on the second to last stage, OP options that let you shoot in any direction or freeze them in place, it's no wonder V is the most overrated Gradius.

Try again, Treasure fanboi.

[Anonymous No.8191461]

>>8191358
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.8191476]

>>8190123
>Joy-cons
Might as well be using a sideways Wii Remote. At least that had a proper D-Pad.

[Anonymous No.8191484]

>>8191405
the M2 port is the best way to learn the game by far. you don't need to manage rank or see the exact power-up drop formula in real-time but it sure helps
i'm pretty sure the saturn version does let you enable pink bullets somehow

[Anonymous No.8191496]

>>8191484
>i'm pretty sure the saturn version does let you enable pink bullets somehow
I don't think it does because that was a big feature of the new version. I did tweak settings just to double check but they're mostly in Japanese.

[Anonymous No.8191525]

>>8191476
The point is that the Joycon has the least amount of latency of any controller on the console when docked. I'm just trying to warn people so they don't make the mistake of supporting a developer that doesn't give a shit. The Psykyo collections and Crusin' Mix ports were proof enough, but the bug where you play Cotton Saturn Tribute in English resulting in EVEN MORE frames of lag (10-12 in most reports) should make it clear City Connection fucking sucks.

[Anonymous No.8191526]

[Anonymous No.8191598]

>>8189439
Need to redraw her face and replace whatever that sacral attachment is above her ass. Looks out of place. Otherwise it's ok

[Anonymous No.8191603]

>>8191526
Kind of small but looks well designed I guess

[Anonymous No.8191617]

Anyone has more images of OP's semen demon.

[Anonymous No.8192026]

>>8191276
>One day I want to 1cc ikaruga
me too, it's one of the best

[Anonymous No.8192060]

>>8189439
Any 5th gen and earlier coomer shmups?

[Anonymous No.8192064]

>>8192060
Phelios, arcade if possible

[Anonymous No.8192073]

Waiting for my copy of Cotton/ Guardian Force Saturn Tribute to arrive.

[Anonymous No.8192078]

>>8191323
t. tasteless fggt

[Anonymous No.8192107]

>>8189553
>Why are shmups the only good genre? Every other genre is cancerous as fuck and full of garbage.
nah, fighting games, beat em ups, run n guns, srpgs, drpgs are aight

>>8190617
>>8191323
I bet your sneakers are always scuffed

[Anonymous No.8192128]

>>8191407
Do you really not like Ikaruga or Radiant Silvergun? Are you just being contrarian or are you serious? Because I have played many, many shumps in my life and those two seem to be great games to me that really breathe some fresh air into the genre.

[Anonymous No.8192186]

>>8190446
t. casual zoomer?
retro shmups are about scoring more than survival. Otherwise they wouldn't have score leaderboards at the end, like almost every other arcade game. shmups were always about scoring from day 1
the space invaders craze didn't start from people trying to beat the final boss lol

[Anonymous No.8192213]

>>8190446
Cool, play games how you wanna play them.

[Anonymous No.8192371]

>>8191274
What shmup should I play? My mum is letting me play again but only for an hour a day so I don't want any autism grinding.

[Anonymous No.8192395]

>>8192371
If you want to emulate, you could play Battel Garegga. It's tough, but much more fair than modern danmaku garbage. Otherwise play R-Type Leo. That one is really kinda easy.

Generally play whatever you want, just stay away from Cave games, because they are just ridiculously difficult and unfair.

[Anonymous No.8192409]

>>8192395
>doesn't want autism grinding
>battle garegga

[Anonymous No.8192439]

>>8192409
what does that mean? because you can autism grind any game if you have no self-control and confidence

[Anonymous No.8192452]

>>8192395
>Battle Tranregga
>Not autistic

[Anonymous No.8192465]

>>8192452
autism affects people, not games. Look up a study.

[Anonymous No.8192542]

>>8192465
>Look up a study.

Would anyone be willing to coach me through a psikyo game, maybe strikers 1945?

[Anonymous No.8192630]

reminder
if you can't 2-ALL Dodonpachi with 500+ million after 500 hours it's time to reconsider you gaming career.

[Anonymous No.8192632]

>>8191525
Everything you just said has already been debunked more then once and you have been told this more then once over at /v/, good day ser.

[Anonymous No.8192640]

>>8191525
>>8192632
Also that new Crusin' game is western made and so was it's Switch port.
Also not retro.

[Anonymous No.8192647]

>>8192640
>Game Tengoku not retro
???

[Anonymous No.8192659]

>>8192647
Thats not Crus'N
This is.
And you said Crus'N, not Game Tengoku.

[Anonymous No.8192664]

>>8192659
I didn't say that. The guy said ''Cruisn' Mix''. This is a shmup thread? Game Tengoku: Cruisin Mix is the port of the retro game Game Tengoku....

[Anonymous No.8192667]

>>8192664
That guy was smoking something,
Anyway...

[Anonymous No.8192672]

>>8189439
Hnnng, dat ass.

[Anonymous No.8192698]

>>8189514
>This has to be the best Genesis ost ever made.

I think it is and I have never even played shmups that much.

[Anonymous No.8192749]

Who else C & J here?
CRT + Joystick = mandatory. Fully stop.
It's completely worth it for the proper enjoyment of any arcade shmup. The joystick actually subtly changes your entire playstyle and gives feedback unlike keybored or gaympads. Nothing is quite the same after I went full CRT + Joystick .

Go out now and buy a C&J

[Anonymous No.8192868]

>>8190828
I don't even know what the fuck you're asking me here but recently I've been playing Nitro Ball. It's a vertical shmup (???) action game that you can run around in and you can shoot bad guys into giant pinball like elements that grant you bonuses. It's a little difficult as aiming AND movement is tied to the same stick with no button to lock your aiming which would have been nice. I like it

[Anonymous No.8192928]

>>8189439
Any good sales or games I should look out for on the Switch?

[Anonymous No.8192937]

>>8192928
Mushihimesama is good, Aleste collection, Crimzon Clover, Espgaluda 2 came to switch recently, and keep your eye out for Shikigami 2 in December.

[Anonymous No.8192952]

Is Ghost Blade worth it?

[Anonymous No.8192962]

>>8192937
Do these all run fine on the Switch Lite?

[Anonymous No.8193002]

>>8192952
Eh, it's okay. Far too easy though and none of the ships really have that sweet spot where they balance the game properly. They are mostly too slow, the shots too wide, the main one has a spread shot that's too wide and does too little damage and a focus shot that is so powerful that it trivialises bosses. And there's not much consistency between what shot types are fired by which enemy class and which will scrub on death and such. It's not the worst, but it's a collection of poorly understood mechanics put into a game by people who clearly weren't really fans of the genre.

[Anonymous No.8193030]

what's so fun about shmups? is it just the challenge of dodging hard to see things?

[Anonymous No.8193035]

>>8193002
>They are mostly too slow, the shots too wide, the main one has a spread shot that's too wide and does too little damage and a focus shot that is so powerful that it trivialises bosses
This has been my main complaint with the game. It's like a poor imitation of a CAVE shooter.

[Anonymous No.8193038]

>>8193030
Depends on the shmup. Some are about accuracy, others are all about dodging, and there's a handful that do both.

[Anonymous No.8193169]

>>8193038
>Some are about accuracy, others are all about dodging, and there's a handful that do both.

[Anonymous No.8193173]

>>8192928
Razion EX

[Anonymous No.8193184]

>>8193030
cool music and graphics
sometimes waifus

[Anonymous No.8193239]

>>8193030
Scoring

[Anonymous No.8193247]

>>8192928
The Thunder Force games and Fantasy Zone go on sale pretty often. To get a lot of stuff like Aleste and M2's other ports, you will need a Japanese account.

[Anonymous No.8193276]

Remember that one psp shump featuring king of fighters and metal slug characters

[Anonymous No.8193298]

>>8193276
yep not bad

[Anonymous No.8193354]

>>8192749
why don't you own an arcade controller? you can buy sanwa sticks and buttons for ~50 bucks, USB boards for hooking it all up cost a dollar or two on aliexpress.
seems kinda weird to go all the way with getting a CRT but cheaping out on the input, arguably the most important part of playing vidya.

[Anonymous No.8193571]

>>8192749
>Gearfagging in the neet general
Post your scores

[Anonymous No.8193575]

>>8192749
for me, it's keyboard
like every touhou player

[Anonymous No.8193670]

>>8189482
Based, this is my favourite one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdV46IuVQ5o
>>8189803
Because you are a fucking zoomer that grew up listening to chimp noises on the radio and shitty modern videogames "music" aka filler instead of rock and metal like real men

[Anonymous No.8193794]

>>8193670
Real (i.e., employed, tall, successful, hair and sex having) men grew up listening to jpop and nu metal though.

[Anonymous No.8193805]

>>8193794
Gay shit like nu metal didn't even exist back then and no one gave a shit about jpop.

[Anonymous No.8193839]

>>8193805
Cope. Raw FM synth sounds like shit and vidya music is garbage compared to real music, plagiarized at best.

[Anonymous No.8193864]

>>8192749
joystick???? Who uses joystick????

Just get a decent stick or controller with a good d-pad.

[Anonymous No.8193876]

>>8193864
I use a sadstick because I am terminally depressed

[Anonymous No.8193894]

Need a shmup recommendation mates. I've been suffering from a fake illness for years, what should I play to help me cope with that? My gamer goggles are ready.

[Anonymous No.8193924]

>>8193894
I would recommend Karous, just don't try to beat the world record of 3.2 billion points.
Otherwise you might consider spending your final moments investing money in the stock market and posting about how video games are cringe, girls are stinky and footcrab is peak.

[Anonymous No.8194047]

For me it's DOJ and Slipknot

[Anonymous No.8194091]

>>8193839
>real music

Keep listening to those chimp noises chump

[Anonymous No.8194117]

>>8191276
>>8191353
Update, stage 4 makes me reconsider that proposal

What is up with that mountain of fucking bullshit? Holy hell.

[Anonymous No.8194120]

>>8193894
>>8193924
might be better to start with radirgy...

[Anonymous No.8194132]

>>8194091
>non vidya music is chimp noises
Cringe and 2hutrannypilled

[Anonymous No.8194141]

>>8194132
2hu is the best music ever made tho

[Anonymous No.8194169]

Actually playing this

[Anonymous No.8194523]

If I wanna play Psyvariar 2 what is the best way to play it? Emulated on Dreamcast? Disc on hardware? PS2? Game looks pretty beautiful, reminds me of Ikaruga but more color.

[Anonymous No.8194557]

what is a SHMUP with great ost I enjoy the likes of watanabe and yasui a lot

[Anonymous No.8194731]

>>8194523
PS2 version has the most content.
>>8194557
Psyvariar 2, Espgaluda 1 (2's is alright but I preferred 1's), Samidare
>>8192647
Maybe he meant the PS4 version isn't retro since CruisinMix is new content. Unless he meant the original Game Tengoku isn't retro, in which case he's a diaper-shitting retard.

[Anonymous No.8194735]

>>8192186
You sound like a bitch.

[Anonymous No.8194754]

>>8194132
The worst gaming music and jpop is better than techno, dubstep , eurotrash electro noise like Addison Groove that's for sure.

[Anonymous No.8194759]

I've been on a Genesis kick lately. What are some must play shumps outside of the Thunderforce series.

[Anonymous No.8194762]

>>8194759
Both Battlemania games

[Anonymous No.8194771]

>>8194759
I miss aggressive american marketing. It was stupid, but it was funny. Now everything is too politically correct and tidy.

[Anonymous No.8194796]

>>8194771
>I miss aggressive american marketing
Same. Here anon, have another :^)

[Anonymous No.8194818]

>>8194754
Post your last.fm big boy.

[Anonymous No.8194821]

>>8194754
Mate footcrab changed the club scenes around the world, my mate Addison Groove bought 5 houses off the success of it. Muppet

[Anonymous No.8194832]

>>8194818
https://www.last.fm/user/theneedledrop

[Anonymous No.8194836]

What did shmups do to deserve some of the shittiest threads and "communities" in all of 4chan?
It's a cool genre about flying ships and killing aliens, I don't get how something this nice could attract some of the saddest motherfuckers on earth.

[Anonymous No.8194838]

>>8194832
Looks like you stopped listening to music 7 years ago bud, no wonder you don't get it.
>>8194836
Post your contributions to the shmup communities. Nobody likes a whinger.

[Anonymous No.8194841]

>>8194836
hint: some shmups have anime girls in them

[Anonymous No.8194872]

>>8194838
theneedledrop is by Anthony Fantano, one of the most famous e-celebs who talks about music, the anon is just pulling your leg.
>Post your contributions to the shmup communities.
Not being a ranging faggot who got banned from shmup forums. I guess compared to the guys who populate these threads, that's a good enough contribution.

[Anonymous No.8194887]

>>8194872
Stick to r/shmups and sealcord then, nobody's forcing you to come here.

[Anonymous No.8194890]

>>8194821
>appeal to clubbing
Even the worst shmup OST is superior...
Clubs are full of disgusting chimp noise that only drunk or drugged subhumans can endure.

>>8194832
Funny
>>8194836
Unlike other genres that attract carbon copy NPCs that all agree on everything shmups somehow managed to attract different sorts of people, weird huh?

[Anonymous No.8194896]

>>8194890
I'm not talking about shmup fans though, I'm talking about the specimens found here on 4chan. The ones that were rejected by the actual shmup community.
>>8194887
>cord
Do you REALLY want to go there, anon? Every single time you clowns start talking about your schizo discord servers, you start doxxing each other and then mods nuke the entire thread.

[Anonymous No.8194905]

>>8194841
This. Two nukes wasn't enough.

[Anonymous No.8194914]

Where can I download the Shoop 'Em Up derived from Sentimental Graffiti?

[Anonymous No.8194915]

>>8194896
Why are you baiting them then? Relax.

[Anonymous No.8194946]

is it true Japanese men buy used school girl panties? And Cave marketed things like that for their shmups?

[Anonymous No.8194971]

>>8194946
Imagine paying money for japanese school girl's panty smears.
That's how far we've advanced as intelligent species.

[Anonymous No.8194974]

>>8194971
There are people who actually pay for porn (i.e., digital shit you can get for free).
Honestly, paying for shit-smeared girl panties isn't that bad if you're a degenerate, the question is if those panties were REALLY wore by girls.

[Anonymous No.8194975]

>>8189553
Because you're a dumb fuck who only focuses on """cancerous""" garbage?

[Anonymous No.8194981]

>whoa did you know you can buy girls dirty panties in Japan!! Deathsmiles pee soda!!!!
Are we back in 2004 again? God I hope so.

[Anonymous No.8194993]

>>8194896
>the actual shmup community
the what?

[Anonymous No.8195006]

>>8194971
>>8194974
I think shmup superplayers hope for faint cunny aroma, only sickos hope for smears in the panties.

>>8194975
There's like three genres worth anything shmups, fighters and dungeon crawlers/roguelikes.

[Anonymous No.8195013]

For me it's shmups (presented by cave), dating sims and fifa. The holy trinity of gaming.

[Anonymous No.8195020]

>>8195013
>dating sim
Learn PUA, it works, I think. That's what he teaches me.

[Anonymous No.8195074]

>>8195020
It doesn't, now girls just filter by height and race on dating apps, pick the biggest Chad, and carry pepper spray for anyone who approaches them in public.

[Anonymous No.8195079]

>>8195006
t. plays shmups 1% of the time, fighters 2% of the time and dungeon crawlers/roguelikes 97% of the time

[Anonymous No.8195108]

>>8195079
1 hour of shmup homework done, back to 97 hours of deserved elf

[Anonymous No.8195163]

>>8195079
>>8195108
based if true

[Anonymous No.8195220]

>>8189463
I played this thing a million times over the years and never noticed you could change it to Forgotten Worlds styled controls

Changes the whole game having omnidirectional shooting like that.

[Anonymous No.8195241]

>>8194759
Gaiares
Sol-Deace
Grind Stormer
Zero Wing

[Anonymous No.8195469]

>https://ra.co/features/1220
>Footcrab was the #5 track of 2010

[Anonymous No.8195550]

>>8189439
not an expert on shmups or anything, but I loved RayStorm back in the day and it has a really nice soundtrack

[Anonymous No.8195590]

>>8195550
What's that one about?

[Anonymous No.8195618]

>>8194981
What are you on about? Did the shmup company Cave really sell girl panties and piss drinks to appeal to the top shmup players in early 2000s?

[Anonymous No.8195715]

https://twitter.com/gosokkyu/status/1444221200738127875

[Anonymous No.8195726]

>>8195715
well I use my switch for rpgs and Visual novels mostly, not shmups

[Anonymous No.8195751]

>>8195726
Now here are the numbers for PS4. Only a little better than the Switch, but still unplayable.

https://twitter.com/kimagreGaming/status/1444217883953750016

[Anonymous No.8195818]

>>8195715
Human eye can't even notice 10 frames of input lag

[Anonymous No.8195830]

>>8195818
your fingers can and they add up, 10frames per second after a few seconds it'll feel like slow motion

[Anonymous No.8195838]

>>8195818
most of the time input lag is a cope used by shitters, but 10 is just too much

[Anonymous No.8196119]

my favorite company made a decent shooter, what do ya'll think of Square?

[Anonymous No.8196126]

>>8196119
Incredible game
Incredible atmosphere
Incredible soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovf4UtU57x4

[Anonymous No.8196132]

>>8196119
only good game they made everything else is pro onions

[Anonymous No.8196142]

>>8194759
Biohazard Battle

[Anonymous No.8196149]

>>8195715
>>8195751
This is why we don't get Saturn ports in general.

[Anonymous No.8196168]

>>8195715
>>8195751
Wasn't the modern port of Game Tengoku a genuine port job done by the original developers? The input lag introduced by emulation is pretty disappointing.

[Anonymous No.8196179]

>>8194523
dcast is arcae perfect but ps2 has a roll button which really makes it much more playablke if using pad.


>>8193924
no one ever said that was wr, it wasnt even wr when i did it, i said its around the maximum you can get maybe 3.5 without using the shield juggle milking which requires way too much luck and is pretty annoying.

[Anonymous No.8196236]

>>8189724
>DariusBurst
To be fair that game is tremendous turd that only exists to hawk hundreds of dollars in dlc to losers who actually bought an ultra wide monitor

[Anonymous No.8196289]

>>8196132
never heard that before, do you feel that the SquareSoft and Enix merger was a good thing, or a bad thing?

I am of the opinion that SquareSoft and Enix were better off as separate companies. After the merger it felt (to me) like the quality of their games was drastically worse. Visually they stood out, but I love the story and gameplay in their older games (like CC, FFV, EINHANDER, etc) much more than their newer ones. This isn't to say that every game from Square-Enix is bad. I'm simply of the opinion that they had better games overall while they were separate companies.

Feel free to respond with your thoughts. (Please try to be nice. You can disagree with people without resorting to name-calling, taunting, ridicule, etcetera.)

[Anonymous No.8196315]

>>8196289
Retro Square was somewhere between Capcom and Konami in terms of quality output, games for real gamers, but now they have too much on their plate and stretched thinnnn.
Don't forget two current projects are headed by the same director and team, who constantly stresses and bitches publicly about how overworked they are.
I don't know what the fuck SE's higher ups are ever thinking, a bunch of self-sabotaging self-harming jap boomer psychopaths.

[Anonymous No.8196526]

>>8196168
6-7 frames of input lag are in these games on Saturn, an emulated release on these shitty console CPU’s were never going to respond well.

[Anonymous No.8196557]

>>8195241
>>8196142
Thanks frens

[This is shmup related No.8196848]

I am a worthless inceltard failure. I never experienced anything like intimacy with the opposite sex, or even a chance to a date. People my age are now getting serious with a long term partner and achieving milestones while I just go to a job that is crushing me and play video games I am horrendous at. I can spend days worth of gametime on a low iq game and still die on the first level.
I am a failure and something is definitely wrong with me
Battle Garegga, Eco Fighter, Espa RA.DE, shikigami no shiro

[Anonymous No.8196872]

>>8195715
>>8196168
>>8196526
Everything he said turned out to be 100% fake as the guy who tweeted that tweet is a notorious liar.

[Anonymous No.8196876]

>>8195751
See >>8196872

[Anonymous No.8196961]

>>8196872
>>8196876
Fuck off, retard.

[Anonymous No.8196983]

>>8196961
Shopped/fake, already been proven more then once.

By the way; Is this the same guy who kept on shitting on Nintendo's Virtual Console because of "lag" and "dark filter" to the point that they ended up killing it and replacing it with a GAAS for Switch containing NES and SNES games with their paid online?

[Anonymous No.8197040]

>>8196983
What the fuck are you talking about you moron?

[Anonymous No.8197143]

>>8196848
don't give up chav, you can still turn things around

[Anonymous No.8197518]

>>8194759
Gleylancer

[Anonymous No.8197559]

Thinking of changing careers to Shmup Influencer.

[Anonymous No.8197627]

>>8196848
Take mones like the rest of you shmup likers.
t rpg fan with a girlfriend.

[Anonymous No.8197662]

>>8195751
What could possibly be happening for a frame be delayed 12 times over? What kind of processing would cause that? I really don't get it, it's 100%laziness and incompetence isn't it.

[Anonymous No.8197671]

>>8197662
Saturn's CPUs are a bitch to emulate

[Anonymous No.8197697]

god i wish i was shmup junkie
look at that collection...

[Anonymous No.8197719]

>>8197559
>>8197697
Why do you waste time posting garbage? If you don't like the thread then just hide it and fuck off. Annoying nigger.

[Anonymous No.8197738]

>>8197719
jealousy looks bad on you, yet you continue to wear it :)

[Anonymous No.8197770]

^ < ^

[Anonymous No.8197919]

>>8197040
Picture is fake.

[Anonymous No.8198271]

>>8189514
This was me^^^ doing better but level 8 The Wall keeps filtering me. Got to it without any continues tonight so that was nice. Got the furthest on the stage boss so hopefully soon I can finally mark this one off my list.

[Anonymous No.8198332]

>>8198271
good job
gotta finish that backlog before the New Year,

[Anonymous No.8198359]

>>8197662
>>8197671
He's lying, don't trust his lies

[Anonymous No.8198368]

>>8198359
You've spent days posting the same shit ad nauseum. Get a hobby you pest.

[Anonymous No.8198717]

>>8194759
Gleylancer
Gaiares
Battlemania
Sub-Terraria

[Anonymous No.8199971]

The new Space Invaders collection is so tempting, but I don't know if I want to spend $60 on it. Do I take the plunge?

[Anonymous No.8200028]

>>8199971
no

[Anonymous No.8200031]

>>8200028
Thank you anon. I'll wait for a sale.

[This is shmup related No.8200034]

I am an incel bastard
Why is janitor silencing me when Im just trying to share my experience of suffering
Dodonpachi, Gradius, Espgaluda

[Anonymous No.8200063]

The PCE version of R-Type has much better music.

[Anonymous No.8200171]

>>8200063
Why do you people do this? It's like you're begging people to shit on the console or something. /vr/ already has an abnormally high amount of people who hate the PCE as it is.

[Anonymous No.8200374]

>>8200171
Really? PCE is great even if a decent chunk of its shooters aren't that great. But the good ones, ports and originals both, are really good and better than most competitors on the MD or SFC.

[Anonymous No.8200467]

>>8200374
Yes and I have no idea why. Every time I enter a PCE thread, there's always at least one or two people trashing the thing like it raped their mom. I guess that's true to some extent for any console (I sure as fuck can't make a single Sega thread here without butthurt nintenfats, snoys, or sega infighters shtting the thing up), but it just seems extra weird to me given that PCE wasn't even really involved in western console wars.

[Anonymous No.8200815]

>one week later
>2/3rds to Western Record

[Anonymous No.8200950]

>>8200815
chav about to lose another western world record... yikes

[Anonymous No.8201063]

>>8195550
Would recommend Rayforce (aka Layer Section, aka Galactic Attack) and Raycrisis.

[Anonymous No.8201071]

>>8196119
That shit's in my 3x3, famicom.

[Anonymous No.8201078]

>>8190123
>https://imgur.com/a/o0bjy6A
Hey, what is this a picture of? Those three guys. Is that from a game. I'm asking because I had a dmt vision of something similar.

[Anonymous No.8201168]

Why won't Konami make more numbered Gradius games?
Why won't Konami make more Parodius games?
Why does Konami suck so many penises?

[Anonymous No.8201301]

Just a reminder to everyone to make sure you're using Retroarch with run-ahead to play your favorite shmups. Retroarch with run-ahead has significantly less input latency than even native hardware.

a SNES game on Retroarch with one frame of run-ahead on a freesync monitor is <10ms button-to-pixel input lag compared to 50ms button-to-pixel input lag of a real SNES on a CRT TV.

[Anonymous No.8201310]

Greetings. I was banned for 3 days and all this time just wanted to say that the ass on OP's pic is incredibly sweet.

[Anonymous No.8201624]

>>8201078
This guy is a notorious liar, do not believe a single word he is saying.
His gifs are shopped.
>>8201168
They just shut down their arcade/pachinko and mobile division and became reserved on console games (their last few mobile games that were completed were completed externally from Konami) so Gradius might be coming back some day.
https://www.gonintendo.com/stories/375827-konami-releases-2021-announcement-of-executive-appointments-off
>>8201301
That has since been debunked.

[Anonymous No.8201668]

>>8201624
>That has since been debunked.
debunked by who exactly?

I literally just did a high speed video test and the input latency is <10ms on retroarch on my freesync monitor

[Anonymous No.8201676]

>>8201668
>Debunked by who exactly?
Spawn Wave.

Also, no, you didn't, Spawn Wave has already proven that all that retroarch freesync shit is fake.

[Anonymous No.8201683]

>>8201676
I literally recorded the input of my controller to the output of my monitor at 240fps you fucking cuck.

Post the video in question, his setup and settings are different, but I can literally post frame-by-frame video proving the low latency of retroarch on my freesync monitor.

[Anonymous No.8201695]

>>8189439
I got something I wanna shmup that ass

[Anonymous No.8201826]

What are the best old-school style shoot 'em ups on steam? And by that I mean less bullet-hell, touhou-like games; more like Gradius, R-Type, etc.

[Anonymous No.8201887]

>>8201826
Jamestown, Blue Revolver, ZeroRanger. Try those out.

[Anonymous No.8201895]

>>8201826
check this out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnT_dpHRDbs

>>8201695
lewd

>>8201683
>>8198368
why reply to obvious bait?

[Anonymous No.8202059]

do any of you know what all the spells do in cotton reboot? From what I gather the charged form is always the same for each level but gets some kind of bonus, the tap for each spell gets more significant bonuses per level and is generally offensive.

Red: Tap shoots out a dragon not sure how it changes per level. charged lets your fairies do homing attacks. Level increases the damage on dragon shot and extends fairy time. dragon shot is good at making/breaking black crystals

Blue: Tap is a constant beam until level 3 where it's a full screen bomb. Charge is shield that gets more time per level.

Green: Tap is a screen clear bomb not sure how it changes as it levels. not sure what charge does.

Purple: tap drop bomb with insane damage, damage increases per level i'm pretty sure with a full stock of level 3 purple you can get through almost every boss without them doing a full attack. charged blacks all the crystals and brings them to you, unsure of how level changes it.

[Anonymous No.8202129]

>>8201078
The maui heads from Gradius

[Anonymous No.8202213]

>>8202059
the biggest thing to remember with magic is that enemies killed with magic refill your Jewel gauge, which allows you to activate Jewel Fever more frequently. Level 1 lightning spells are particularly good for this recharging, but green spells work in a pinch too. Green charges turn popcorns into crystals

To be honest I don't see much of a use the purple crystal's charge turning all crystals black. Unless it was designed as a penalty there is never a case where turning crystals black is worth more than activating Jewel Fever.

Found this info on the shmups farm

[Anonymous No.8202264]

what shmups can you consistently 1cc? without having to go back and practice, but just do it live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XEwyWqrugs

[Anonymous No.8202274]

>>8202264
for the most part probably Darius Gaiden, but I have to "wuss" out and use a decent autofire rate.

[Anonymous No.8202283]

>>8202274
nice legs you got there gurl
*wink*

>>8202264
R-Type Leo, the hardest of hard shmups

[Anonymous No.8202323]

>>8202274
why was that sfw shmup girl deleted?
and the on-topic response about R-Type leo?

[Anonymous No.8202426]

>>8193030
I've never been into this genre much but what I like about it is they are very simple to pick up and play and have fun. Also what you said and some have great music such as Thunder Force 4 having the greatest music I mean damn. Playing and beating a ton of these is on my bucket list if I ever get around to it. Also though I am not so sure about those bullet hell ones. Some look alright but most don't seem appealing or are too much for the hardcore fans of the genre the way I see it.

[Anonymous No.8202442]

>>8202426
bullet hells are really hard

[Anonymous No.8202450]

>>8193030
it just appeals to me on a primal level
I don't like platformers and belt scrollers that much. I feel like I'm forcing my enthusiasm.
Meanwhile with a shmup no matter how primitive I feel like I can sit with it for any random amount of time and feel satisfied
I'm not sure if anyone else in this thread can relate. But other retro genres really don't appeal to me too much. Maybe SRPGs and some 3d action adventures. And I haven't really ever gotten into jrpgs aside from 6th gen SMT.

[Anonymous No.8202453]

do you guys play on hardware or emualate for games that never got on pc?
What consoles are the most bang for this genre

[Anonymous No.8202506]

>>8202453
ps4 and xbox360 seem the best
otherwise just stick to PC + emulation

[Anonymous No.8202663]

whats some shmups with hot chicks and good music?

[Anonymous No.8202664]

>>8202663
touhou

[Anonymous No.8202797]

>>8202426
>>8202442
Hard bullet hells are hard, but bullet hells that are not hard are not hard

[Anonymous No.8202839]

I hate the term 'shmup' - it's ugly and awkward. I wish the genre had a better name.

[Anonymous No.8203016]

You guys were right. Shmup fans are Tranny defenders. yuk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUaBez_hsn0

[Anonymous No.8203019]

>>8202839
Like what? shpoop?

>>8202797
Danmaku are going to be harder.

[Anonymous No.8203026]

>>8203016
That was a cool episode, despite pandering to the mental illness/pronouns part.

[Anonymous No.8203039]

>>8203026
None of the info is new kek
Everything cobbled together from magazine articles and free info

[Anonymous No.8203063]

>>8203039
that kind of video is more about putting together info and presenting it in a nice package so people don't have to research articles and magazines themselves.
and shmups benefit from this kind of content even japanese players were saying it's entertaining and westerners should make more

[Anonymous No.8203071]

>>8203039
>Everything cobbled together from magazine articles and free info
So you admit this information wasn't gathered in one place before.

[Anonymous No.8203082]

>>8203016
>trannie programmers
makes sense now. shmups are for the mentally unstable.

[Anonymous No.8203090]

>>8203063
>westerners should

Westerners should fuck off, preferably far away.

t. Korean

[Anonymous No.8203103]

I made progress today and wanted to share and recommend Out Zone to you. it's very fun specially the second lap gets very fast and the life timer is nasty if you play too slow. I made it to 2-5 and will practice more for 2 laps.
It came out in 1990 but the sprites and music still are awesome imo

[Anonymous No.8203528]

>>8203103
It's pretty good. FixEight is its successor and it's not as good somehow.

[Anonymous No.8203580]

I just got Cotton Saturn Tribute for the Switch. Physical release from Japanese Amazon. The input lag is really bad. Stick with Cotton Reboot. I'm about to get on my Saturn to compare the input lag. There's no way it's this bad on a real Saturn.

[Anonymous No.8203624]

>>8203580
Yeah as expected my real Saturn has little to no latency. This port is just lazy. I tried turning off smoothing, scaling, and wallpaper and it's still garbage. It feels like my controller is disconnected from the character on screen.

[Anonymous No.8203636]

>>8189439
what should i play yall??

[Anonymous No.8203748]

>>8203636
Raiden IV

[Anonymous No.8204086]

what games had a interesting execution on option type of power ups? I know a few Gradius games had variants, R-TYPE has the bits, raiden has the fairies. most the time I only use option type weapons as a way to block bullets and don't care about positioning them too much unless I'm just parking behind them. always felt like a combination of boring and powerful

[Anonymous No.8204592]

>>8204086
garegga's options are neat. i just wish that getting the special formations wasn't a pain. you also lose them if you switch.

[Anonymous No.8204606]

>can inject saturn games into cotton 2 on my switch

Sure the input lag is a bit sucky but I'm playing fucking Bulk Slash on my switch, bros

[Anonymous No.8205029]

>>8204606
the injected game still has 10f lag?

[Anonymous No.8205080]

Are shmups as a genre just not for me if I don't like grinding at something for dozens of hours before being able to beat it, or am I just playing the wrong ones?

Like do there exist shmups that you could just pick up blind on on a Saturday morning and reasonably expect to be able to clear it by the end of the day?

[Anonymous No.8205115]

>>8205080
>Are shmups as a genre just not for me if I don't like grinding at something for dozens of hours before being able to beat it, or am I just playing the wrong ones?
don't worry about judging the entire genre or writing it off , if a shmup looks cool to you try it and see how it goes

>Like do there exist shmups that you could just pick up blind on on a Saturday morning and reasonably expect to be able to clear it by the end of the day?
Gekirindan, Batsugun Special 1st loop, Vimana 1st loop, Thunder Cross 1st loop, a lot of console shmups have easy modes you should be able to beat really fast.

[Anonymous No.8205137]

This may not be the right place to ask but I wanna play some japanese-region shooters on my American ps1 - what's the easiest way to make that work?

[Anonymous No.8205279]

>>8204086
X Multiply is my very favorite

[Anonymous No.8205330]

>>8205080
>Like do there exist shmups that you could just pick up blind on on a Saturday morning and reasonably expect to be able to clear it by the end of the day?
Mushi futari original mode I think
If you have the fundamentals of shmup dodging down and know how to make full use of your bombs then you can definitely clear a lot of stuff in a day. Unavoidably though there will be at least one hard segment that takes hours to learn even in an easy game. Unless you're literally playing a game on easy mode then it will take some grinding for a clear at some point because that's just how this genre is. Even a touhou normal clear often requires this

[Anonymous No.8205346]

>>8205330
>If you have the fundamentals of shmup dodging down and know how to make full use of your bombs then you can definitely clear a lot of stuff in a day.
doesn't sound like he has any of that desu, probably take him 40 hours

[Anonymous No.8205347]

>>8203103
>2 laps
loops ? lol

[Anonymous No.8205478]

Just beat it lads, i'm so happy. That memorisation on Stage 6 was a huge pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.8205512]

>>8205029
It feels quite laggy yes. Though I don't have the means to accurately test. I'm sure someone will make a video about it eventually.

The emulator does seems pretty decent though to be fair. I'm getting 95-99% speed on handheld stock 1.0ghz clocks. Which is unheard of for Saturn emulation on even retroarch. Would only get 50-80% speed overclocked typically. I'm gonna fuck around with docked and overclocks when I get home from work.

The .ini files encrypted which may hold values for this custom emulator. So hopefully someone can decrypt that and we can fuck with the emulator settings. Maybe disabling vsync would greatly reduce latency among other things.

[Anonymous No.8205517]

>>8205080
any 'respawn where you are' game if you can credit feed

[Anonymous No.8205536]

>>8205080
you play shmup for 20 minutes, maybe an hour a day. you get better when you sleep since that's when your brain rewires itself to detect bullet pathing faster as well as improve your left hand coordination if you're not left handed. this is assuming you're consciously trying to get better and taking note of what's making you eat shit. your first 1cc will probably take the longest, especially if it's a hard game. as you play more you'll get to the point where you can reasonably 1cc games anywhere between an afternoon and two weeks. a shmup is not a brainless activity you do to blow through hours like mmos or most single player games, it's an exercise you do for fun.

If you're already left handed you're going to have an advantage since incredibly precise, small movements will be easier to get used to.

[Anonymous No.8205540]

>>8189439
that game is piss easy but it's so cool

[Anonymous No.8205582]

>>8205080
Darius Gaiden

[Anonymous No.8205710]

>>8205478
good job was it normal or hard? i remember hard actually being a bit tough while normal felt too easy

[Anonymous No.8206625]

>>8205080
I'd say play a console game and lower the difficulty, increase lives, and actually use the continues. It's not as cheesy as credit feeding in an arcade game when there are limited continues and continuing restarts the level. Devs put them there to be used. Thunder Force 3, Biohazard Battle and MUSHA are nice games. You can go back for expert mode 1 life clear if you enjoy it enough.

[Anonymous No.8206652]

what is this shit called again

[Anonymous No.8206682]

>>8206652
Kingdom Grand Prix

[Anonymous No.8208194]

Boys....check this out: I've ascended.
Attaining 1-alls like Ketsui or R-Type are nothing to me, a matter of hours over a couple days. And 2-alls might take 50 hours over a couple weeks.

I look upon the Japanese Shmup Difficulty list and grin. Is that all the genre has? Truly the final boss of gaming is not shmups (nor any single player game) but can only be found in the dynamic struggle of player vs player, expert vs expert - real time virtual combat.

[Anonymous No.8208241]

>>8208194
player vs player is gay and forgettable compared to playing for score

[Anonymous No.8208358]

>>8208241
Pointrunning is like speedrunning, same mental illness of grinding out boring forgettable resets hoping to beat an old PB you got 6 months ago. The only explicit memorable joy is the new PB and that lasts 15 minutes.

Meanwhilst every well matched player vs player set is done for itself, is memorable and fun in itself, and isn't looking for future or external justification, because it justifies itself. Ironically what the pointrunner or speedtranny is chasing for months and months the PvP player gets almost every few sets per day.

[Anonymous No.8208363]

>>8202663
Deathsmiles

[Anonymous No.8208392]

>>8208358
>Pointrunning is like speedrunning
wrong retard, scoring is the whole point and main mechanic of these games, while few games give a shit about recording your clear time.
>and isn't looking for future or external justification, because it justifies itself
in being forgettable shit that with no real weight unless you include muh social aspect? fighting games are all about external justification, you fight against some rando, while shmups are a fight against yourself.
>The only explicit memorable joy is the new PB and that lasts 15 minutes.
>Ironically what the pointrunner or speedtranny is chasing for months and months the PvP player gets almost every few sets per day.
t. instant gratification retard that can't work on actual long-term personal goals, the journey is the whole point you adhd cunt.

[Anonymous No.8208393]

>>8208358
>Pointrunning is like speedrunning
wrong retard, scoring is the whole point and main mechanic of these games, while few games give a shit about recording your clear time.
>and isn't looking for future or external justification, because it justifies itself
in being forgettable shit with no real weight unless you include muh social aspect? fighting games are all about external justification, you fight against some rando, while shmups are 100% a fight against yourself.
>The only explicit memorable joy is the new PB and that lasts 15 minutes.
>Ironically what the pointrunner or speedtranny is chasing for months and months the PvP player gets almost every few sets per day.
t. instant gratification retard that can't work on actual long-term personal goals, the journey is the whole point you adhd cunt.

[Anonymous No.8208439]

>>8208392
>wrong retard, scoring is the whole point and main mechanic of these games, while few games give a shit about recording your clear time.
the dev's intentions or main-intended-mechanic are irrelevant in this comparison because both the speedrunner and pointrunner are functionally engaging in the same sort of play: static, routed, repetitive, optimization chase that requires hundreds of resets while trying to beat an old PB or climb a leaderboard. And both are probably doing things the devs never foresaw or intended either.

> fighting games are all about external justification, you fight against some rando,
sure you might fight a rando or get a dropped connection, but I'm talking about well-matched
sets which happen daily, while the pointrunner or speedrunner will only experience the equivalent once every few months or years, in between hundreds of trash runs and resets hoping for that new happy PB

>t. instant gratification retard that can't work on actual long-term personal goals, the journey is the whole point you adhd cunt.
not instant gratification, rather it's more efficient and pure gratification because it's not done for externals like some future score or faster time, or a leaderboard position to show off, but its done for the thing itself.

[Anonymous No.8208458]

>>8208358
>Pointrunning is like speedrunning, same mental illness of grinding out boring forgettable resets hoping to beat an old PB you got 6 months ago. The only explicit memorable joy is the new PB and that lasts 15 minutes.
That's why I do a few serious runs on monday or tuesdays, then my shmup homework is done for the week.

[Anonymous No.8208468]

>>8208358
>Ironically what the pointrunner or speedtranny is chasing for months and months the PvP player gets almost every few sets per day.

im uhh pretty sure most shmup players also play fighting games? although the opposite isn't true. so we aren't missing out

[Anonymous No.8208481]

>>8208439
you are only proving my point that shmups filtered you because you are adhd and need instant gratification instead of enjoying the process of endlessly improving yourself, those "trash runs" are the main source that allow you improve you a player, pb is just the logical conclusion, not the point.
>because it's not done for externals
yes it is, you are literally validating yourself against others instead of putting your own goals against the game.
>or a leaderboard position to show off
sounds like fgc cuck mentality, at best leaderboard is just an incentive to improve yourself.

[Anonymous No.8208485]

>>8208194
90% of the difficult of any game just comes from time needed and motivation. If you just practice everything absolute the absolute hardest of shmups, you can get 1CCs in like 20-60 hours. It's just that doing runs on a shmup is much more boring and tedious than playing a game that is actually fun and dynamic.

[Anonymous No.8208510]

>>8208481
>you are adhd and need instant gratification
the better you get at fighting games the more consistent and efficient the gratification curve becomes, the opposite is the case for shmups.... like the delayed gratification of Diablo 2 players grinding out loot, eventually it takes longer and longer for them to find a good & exciting drop.

>those "trash runs" are the main source that allow you improve you a player
majority of trash runs end up being boring, forgettable resets, only a small small minority are completed to the end because they had some PB potential and those get fewer and further apart.

>you are literally validating yourself against others instead of putting your own goals against the game.
The player vs player enjoyer needs to guard himself to not become like a pointranny or speedrunner chasing external things like points, times, leaderboard, 'world records' (yikes), ranks, etc

[Anonymous No.8208519]

>>8206652
the fairies in this are huge, like as big as a dragon

[Anonymous No.8208523]

>>8208510

I watched a Garegga top player reset stage 1 and 2 for hours. This tells me he isn't enjoying the full game itself but the prospect of beating his past score getting clout for setting a record. I guess in player vs player it would be like a guy dropping a match early, aka rage quitting. That mentality can happen to anyone but it seems to be standard in shmups and speedrunning.

[Anonymous No.8208530]

>>8208523
>That mentality can happen to anyone but it seems to be standard in shmups and speedrunning.
it's considered bad manners and discouraged in fighters, yet it's normal and promoted in shmups and speedrunning because the point isn't the fun of the game for them, but the dull addiction to making a number go up or time go down to get some dopamine for the old ego

[Anonymous No.8208535]

>>8208510
>the opposite is the case for shmups....
because you are a shit player with low standards that only settle for instant gratification, good thing shmup players don't have that weak mentality.
>majority of trash runs end up being boring, forgettable resets
no, they expose your mistakes and leave room for improvement if you aren't a 2 digits iq player
>internal game mechanics like points are external because i say so
sure thing schizo
>'world record' (yikes)
world record objectively has more value than whatever random shitty fgc tourney final, it's lliterally the best run ever played in that specific game.

[Anonymous No.8208538]

>>8208523
>>8208530
is this mentality mostly with bullet he'll type games with complex scoring?
it seems to me that scoring mechanics seem kind of meta to the game itself, and don't make the actual gameplay more interesting of at the very least, don't male te game fun.

[Anonymous No.8208539]

>>8205478
>That memorisation on Stage 6 was a huge pain in the ass.
That's normal with shmups.

>>8208194
>Boys....check this out: I've ascended.
Now you understand why banana prom pazz went back to mmos

>>8201826
raiden iv is ok

[Anonymous No.8208542]

>>8208523
>but it seems to be standard in shmups
a game with shitty random scoring like garegga isn't the standard, retard.

[Anonymous No.8208549]

>>8208538
it's a results focused mentality with very small margin of error, it would be similar to a no-death survival run, if you die on stage 1 or 2 the desired result isn't possible so you reset.

>>8208530
with most player vs player games there's always a chance to make a comeback and win so even result oriented players have a good reason to not quit and reset

>>8208535
>ad hominem
>strawman and misquoting
yes you're cooked

>>8208542
whether you reset on 1-2 or 2-2 it's still a reset, trash run you don't care to finish

[Anonymous No.8208552]

>>8201826
R-Type Final 2

[Anonymous No.8208557]

>>8208549
>patronizing tone in 4chan hurts my feelings :(
what an absolute fucking faggot lmao
>strawman
that's not strawman you retard
>reset bad
fgcuck mentality in need of instant gratification instead of steadily improving

[Anonymous No.8208569]

>>8208535
>world record objective value
The objective value of Thunder Dragon 2 and Dragon Blaze WRs is 5 twitter likes. Objectively.

[Anonymous No.8208579]

>>8208569
why you fgc trannies always confuse muh social appeal with objective gameplay value? jesus

[Anonymous No.8208580]

>>8208557
in fg you get your ass kicked a lot starting out, and you really need s lot of matches to get good. it's one of the least instant gratification type of games out there, especially as a multiplayer game there's no one on your team so it's all on you.

[Anonymous No.8208597]

>>8208535
>>8208569
>shmup WR
>no one cares
because it's the easiest time to get a world record in a shmup, not like back in the 90s and early 2000s. Now everyone has save states, training modes, some practice with slow-down and rewind while copying replays off youtube. It's not an objective feat anymore, it doesn't show cleverness, skill or ingenuity.

You know what it shows? It shows me you locked yourself up for 1,000 hours in mom's basement and grinded out the runs like a robot. What's the objective value of that? You aren't 10% as good as the guys at my local arcade who got 300m Ketsui RAW with no save state and replay bullshit. Fuck outta here

[Anonymous No.8208601]

>>8208597
>m-my shitty 50% wr score is better because i didn't use save-state practice!!
biggest cope i've seen here

[Anonymous No.8208736]

>>8208597
>Now everyone has save states, training modes, some practice with slow-down and rewind while copying replays off youtube. It's not an objective feat anymore, it doesn't show cleverness, skill or ingenuity.
wouldn't be a big deal if shmup competition wasn't dead, but now it's a bunch of kids using all that stuff to beat dusty records set decades ago

[Anonymous No.8208750]

does original xbox have any good games

[Anonymous No.8208757]

>>8208358
i dont have fun in fighting games. i dont like the movement in any of them.

[Anonymous No.8208773]

>>8208757
since when does player vs player only mean fighters?

[Anonymous No.8208781]

I can't handle movement and strategies that aren't 99% susceptible to rote memorization.

t. ex-speedrunner + current shmup player

[Anonymous No.8208834]

>>8190234
Agreed, should’ve been darkening force

[Anonymous No.8208837]

>>8208773
Dont start fights man

[Anonymous No.8208937]

>>8208773
Only FTG players brag about the video games they play

[Anonymous No.8208971]

>>8208580
>it's one of the least instant gratification type of games out there, especially as a multiplayer game there's no one on your team so it's all on you.
I have fun learning and getting my ass kicked, it's only frustrating when you misjudge your skill level and think you *deserve* certain wins

>>8208569
is that the absolute state of shmups?

>>8208781
>ex-speedrunner + current shmup player
>coping with static memorizers
many such cases around here.

[Anonymous No.8209078]

>>8208971
>deserve wins
This is the worst mindset that ruins fighting games. Otherwise fg’s are probably the most gratifying genre out there.

[Anonymous No.8209220]

>>8209078
>Otherwise fg’s are probably the most gratifying genre out there
playing fighting games online is a form of self harm

[Anonymous No.8209228]

>>8209220
Honestly I can just come on here and call people retarded nigger faggots who should commit suicide without having to grind combos in training mode, and I feel like I'm getting the full experience

[Anonymous No.8209282]

>>8209228
>grind combos
You've never played a fighting game longer than two hours.

[Anonymous No.8209392]

>>8209282
Kill yourself, you retarded nigger faggot

[Anonymous No.8209639]

since this is a shooter/STG thread what do we think of pic related? and Contra series in general?

[Anonymous No.8209673]

>>8202274
>>8202264
G Darius. But only PCB and PS1. The slowdown makes it a lot easier, PS1 is easy mode. PS2 port and ver. 2 push my shit in

[Anonymous No.8209750]

>>8209639
My favourite is hard corps but SS is also good

[Anonymous No.8209758]

>>8209673
no point to play easy shmups, they're for brand new newbs or old dad's coping, rather read a book desu

[Anonymous No.8210212]

>start using a retrobit saturn bt controller on switch for low input lag
>about 5 hours of cotton and some MMZ did this
lmao what a piece of shit

[Anonymous No.8210315]

>>8210212
works in my controller. :)))

[Anonymous No.8210483]

How are y'all feeling about this upcoming release?
It is from City Connection after all.

[Anonymous No.8210509]

>>8210483
A bit more hopeful since it's confirmed they're using the source code and Cave is less relaxed on shit ports these days.

[Anonymous No.8210529]

>>8210483
betting that we're not getting a PC release

[Anonymous No.8211314]

>>8210529
no one plays DS anyways

[Anonymous No.8211335]

>>8211314
>no one plays DS anyways
yeah, h-haha

[Anonymous No.8211346]

>>8210483
I bought the Cotton 2 release which is absolute garbage so I'm definitely waiting for word on input lag before even considering a purchase

[Anonymous No.8211390]

/vr/ thoughts on Blazing Lazers? I've seen it said at times that this game should have been the pack in for Turbo and not Keith Courage.

[Anonymous No.8211427]

>>8211390
it kinda sucks because of how moving the screen drags bullets

[Anonymous No.8211657]

Does anyone else have any issues running this via Steam?
It keeps crashing on startup for me.

[Anonymous No.8211827]

>>8208750
>does original xbox have any good games
yes loads and superior for 99% of multiplats, not much for shmups though just a lackluster port of psy 2 the shikis and not much else.

BLACK is the best game ive played on the system so far and for me the best game of all time.

[Anonymous No.8211836]

>>8210529
we already have the first one on PC and nobody cares about II

[Anonymous No.8211861]

>>8211827
>BLACK is the best game ive played on the system so far and for me the best game of all time.
so og Xbox is kinda shite is what youre saying

[Anonymous No.8211868]

>>8211861
no its amazing becasue it filters out the limp wrists.. like yourself. back to controlling little girls and kaleidoscope bilge.

[Anonymous No.8211945]

>>8211868
>google it
>britbong shit
very subtle

[Anonymous No.8211953]

>>8211657
figured it out
Had to run it in XP compatibility mode and then make it fullscreen.

[Anonymous No.8212014]

>>8189514
>>8198271
>level 8 The Wall keeps filtering me
FINALLY beat pic related. I swear my eye sight is fine but I can barely see those little flies the cock sucker sends at me. Was waiting for the credits to roll then lo and behold another stage! This game is the gift that keeps giving.

[Anonymous No.8212027]

>>8212014
gg
might want to make a replay and start a youtube with that kind of achievement

[Anonymous No.8212054]

>>8212027
No need to be a dick. I'm a novice at the shump genre and it took quite a few nights playing to get this far.

[Anonymous No.8212056]

>>8212054
Ignore the salty faggot who probably desn't even play shit.

[Anonymous No.8212080]

>>8212014
That level is the hardest one

[Anonymous No.8212093]

>>8212054
lighten up not being a dick, you might as well start and document your journey

[Anonymous No.8212156]

>>8210483
I don't think it will have problems if they're using the source code, but on the other hand I don't want to give City Connection money after getting ripped off from the Cotton ports.

[Anonymous No.8212176]

>>8212093
>lighten up not being a dick
Sorry fren not use to people being nice on here kek thought you were being sarcastic
>>8212080
>hardest stage
For sure hence why I thought it was the last level. The whole stage is a mini boss rush and that final stage boss with the moths filtered me hard.

[Anonymous No.8212250]

if I stopped crying about pigs and started playing shmups for real could I do this too?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imU7gWvXI6c

[Anonymous No.8212272]

>>8212250
I'm not sure, jaimers is the best western player

[Anonymous No.8212773]

>>8212272
>jaimers is the best western player
no he isn't, rob is easily although mog deserves a mention to because getting that close to wr in ketsui is pretty bananas.

[Anonymous No.8213261]

>>8212773
Jaimers has tonnes more achievements on his YouTube than anyone else in the world. Not just the West.

[Anonymous No.8213295]

Crisis Wing got an update that fixes the ship's movement and adds dpad support. Still no word on remappable controls or making the game fit to the screen, but maybe someday they'll address it.

[Anonymous No.8213301]

>>8213261
lmao what is it with your fucking dumb ass and MUH YOOTOOB MUH SOCIAL MEDIA like its some absolute of the real world? rob is miles better than fucking soi ostrich gaymers

[Anonymous No.8213319]

>>8212773
i'd say mog is slightly better but rob is up there

[Anonymous No.8213909]

>>8213295
Do I have to 1cc Truxton 1 and 2 to understand this one

[Anonymous No.8213943]

>>8213319
One trick ponies don't compare desu

[Anonymous No.8214164]

Really enjoying my time with Psyvariar 2 bros.

Don't know why this game didn't take off more with people. Do shmup fans not like good music, good graphics, and good gameplay?

[Anonymous No.8214185]

>>8213943
better than a zero trick pony with no wr potential

[Anonymous No.8214304]

>>8214185
>thousands of hours point-running a game long after its lost its charm, surprise, and fun
>grinding some no name leaderboard rank in a dead game
Yeah I'm thinking the no trick pony is in a better spot. Either no tricks or many tricks, but not 1 trick that's the worst

[Anonymous No.8214359]

>>8210483
feel nothing about it cause Deathsmiles is boring af

>>8213319
better at what? 2 games and one isn't even a shmup, thats it

>>8213943
its sunk cost fallacy pure, and simple cope

Ketsui is fun but not that fun lets be real

[Anonymous No.8214426]

>curious as to how score players tackle a game i'm playing
>they spend 6 minutes milking every boss and mini-boss
every time. i have no idea why i'd expect anything else

[Anonymous No.8214468]

>>8214426
keep in mind some pointrunners will milk excessively because they're too lazy to optimize their normal route and scoring strats

[Anonymous No.8214478]

>>8214304
>>8214359
this is why you will never achieve true greatness

[Anonymous No.8214480]

>>8214468
i do, but also because it's just more fun to just play runs even if they aren't super optimized

[Anonymous No.8214486]

>>8214480
>>8214426
milking can be fun if there's some variety and depth to it, I guess

>>8214478
>true shmup greatness
pic related

[Anonymous No.8214489]

Shmup players are simply the worst gamers. Worse than smash players. Take a shower and stop pretending to be inside a gay little space ship all day

[Anonymous No.8214493]

>>8214489
>Take a shower and stop pretending to be inside a gay little space ship all day
Nothing gay about being *inside* these spaceships m8

[Anonymous No.8214494]

>>8214426
>>8214468
>>8214478
play games with good scoring systems

[Anonymous No.8214507]

>>8214486
>shmup greatness
applies to everything desu, wasn't mog 18 yo? he'll probably find a life after destroying ketsui just like pazzy, unlike certain no life, no wr mediocre shmuppers in their 30s...

[Anonymous No.8214508]

>>8213909
You shoot things and they go boom

[Anonymous No.8214512]

>>8214494
good and bad scoring are myths, it's just player preference whatever their autism lets them endure to make digital numbers go up

[Anonymous No.8214517]

>>8214493
Pretending you're a girl? Yeah thats pretty gay. Put the fake gun down nigger, stop pew pewing.

[Anonymous No.8214523]

>>8214507
>he'll *hopefully* maybe manage a mediocre life after being destroyed by ketsui and dropping out of high school
we can only hope Walmart isn't fully automated when he starts applying for his first

>>8214508
that's a big part of shmup fun, more than scoring and surviving

[Anonymous No.8214524]

>>8214512
it really isnt
god why has the shmup community become total incapable of discerning quality
its like everyone just loves whatever as long as its a shmup

[Anonymous No.8214527]

>>8214507
>he'll *hopefully* maybe manage a mediocre life after being destroyed by ketsui and dropping out of high school
we can only hope Walmart isn't fully automated when he starts applying for his first job

>>8214508
that's a big part of shmup fun, more than scoring and surviving

[Anonymous No.8214528]

>>8214524
That's what happens when you barely have any new content and games to play

[Anonymous No.8214551]

>>8214359
>that pic
it's fair to say that Ketsui has officially beaten him -- doesn't matter if he gets 600 million or 650 million pts anymore. Another copy monkey got played and owned by his game. You hate (or love) to see it.

>>8214478
if you want to waste time beating meaningless dead world-records there's plenty you can pursue in the guinness book of records

[Anonymous No.8214584]

>>8214527
>>8214551
>dedicate young adulthood to shmups
>still can't wr
>wrs are meaningless a-anyway!!

[Anonymous No.8214591]

>>8214426
>>8214486
>milking can be fun
this is what alfa system, takumi games, psyvariar etc get right about boss milking

a) make the method you milk for points fun and the central point of the game
and
b) make the boss timers short, no more than like 2 minutes

every time you milk in giga wing 2 you know you need to get in, get out, and kill the boss in a minute or so and have fun doing in.

[Anonymous No.8214601]

>>8214359
why do people even do this? are zoomers okay?

this is retarded

[Anonymous No.8214608]

>>8214601
>why?
Fucked up FOMO where they arrived years late to a scene and try to cope by going for records in a dead scene

[Anonymous No.8214626]

>>8214601
commitment isn't a zoomer thing
>>8214608
biggest cope is 30 yo failed shmuppers crying over an underage kid being the better player though...

[Anonymous No.8214635]

>>8214626
>commitment isnt a zoomer thing
uh

[Anonymous No.8214639]

>>8214591
red scoop me on what's better Generations or 2?

[Anonymous No.8214646]

>>8214626
biggest cope is in that pic, you must've not read it >>8214359

[Anonymous No.8214660]

>>8209639
personally i like shmup shooters with characters I can control and scrolling i can control pic related


>>8214646
biggest cope is shmup casuals saying ''i told you so lol''? not the Ketsui kid who flushed 2000 hours down the toilet, dropped out of school and now wonders if the ''miserable grind'' for a no-miss is worth continuing, or to face the sunk cost fallacy and move on

[Anonymous No.8214674]

>>8214646
saw it, an underage kid commits better than the entire westie shmup community... meanwhile 30/40 yo shmuppers who wasted young adulthood with no real achievements can only seethe, see this guy for example >>8214660

[Anonymous No.8214687]

I just keep coming back to Raystorm. I don't really fuck around with playing for score or pay attention to the technical aspects very much. It just looks awesome, great music, it's fun to play, challenging, etc.

[Anonymous No.8214727]

>>8214687
Based actual game enjoyer

[Anonymous No.8214753]

>>8214507
>pazzy quit ketsui
>>8208539
>Now you understand why banana prom pazz went back to mmos
Those players quit shmups before they got owned and made miserable by the genre. Timing is key, some have fun then move on, others get owned and force themselves to smile as they grit their teeth grinding kaleidoscope danmakvomit

[Anonymous No.8214754]

>>8214674
Why do zoomers think of the world like this? Who cares. Why can't you just have fun

[Anonymous No.8214782]

>>8214753
>implying banana and pazzy weren't the same
they quit for a reason

[Anonymous No.8214784]

>>8214674
>>8214507
relax
it's just games bro

>>8214754
i think they tie up their confidence to their shmup achievements so they get really protective and weird about them when we aren't impressed

[Anonymous No.8214789]

achievements are things that later generations look back on and appreciate for moving the world further
i dont think there is anything you can do while playing a game that can be considered an Achievement
Therefore playing games to beat records past where it becomes unfun is retarded. Especially for ancient games in dead genres that nobody cares about

[Anonymous No.8214797]

>>8214784
>it's just games bro
>proceed to waste 1000 hours on shmups and still no near wr score
don't match....
>pic
it's exactly what you are doing with the kid just because he's going for wr instead of settling with mediocrity lmao

[Anonymous No.8214826]

>>8214789
>Especially for ancient games in dead genres that nobody cares about
cope, people still keep pushing caveshit like never before and for ketsui's wr the genre was already considered ancient and dead, people have been saying this shit since the early 2000s

[Anonymous No.8214832]

>>8214826
>people have said this forever, therefore it'll never be true
Anon...

[Anonymous No.8214845]

>>8214832
>it's true because i say so despite being proved wrong
anon i...

[Anonymous No.8214886]

>"YES YES WELL DONE PILOTS, HOWEVER" Longhena said clamely.
>The headquarters were dead silent. The Donpachi squadron waited anxiously.
>"However nothing, haha! You will hear nothing short of praise from my lips! You performed tremendously. Well done."
>"Come forward to accept your reward!" The squad cheered as their champion pilot of the Biaxe streched his legs to claim their prize, his face beaming, his chin held high and proud.
>"DIE, MAGGOTS!" Longhener paralyzed him stiff as a board, just as the pilot stood before him.
>"FAREWELL!" Longhener cried again, locking every door in the building.
>With the pilot's stiffened body propped up in front of him, Longhena turned around, dropped his trousers, and unleashed a furious torrent of diarrhea.
>BRRAAAAAPP
>The entire HQ gasped in horror as Longhena's steaming stink stew splattered across the Pilot's face. All the poor boy could do was take it.
>BRAAAP
>"AHAHAHAHA! WELL DONE DONPACHI, OH YES SQUAD EXCELLENT INDEED! HEHEHEH!" Longhena bellowed insanely as his brown bowel brew blasted forth from his butthole straight into the pilot's blowhole.
>BRAAAAAP
>The daughters threw their heads back in hysterical laughter. There was no question they were having the time of their lives, watching as Longhena's putrid poop potion plastered the pilot's prissy pretty boy face.
>BRAAAP
>The squad was in chaos. The Donpachi squadron was absolutely humiliated as their colonel's cankerous colon concoction encrusted their leader's face, his clothes, and the floor, spreading throughout the entire HQ.
>BRAAAAPP
>Eventually Longhena's fecal fountain floundered. He pulled up his trousers, angrily screaming calmly: "DID YOU MAGGOTS SINCERELY SURMISE THAT I WOULD LET YOU WIN ANYTHING!? YOU ARE SATAN'S CHILDREN! YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY WAR IN HISTORY! YOU CRUCIFIED OUR LORD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST!"
>The entire HQ erupted into applause at Longhena's righteous rebuke of the demonic Donpachi kikes. The end.

[Anonymous No.8214917]

>>8214826
>pushing caveshit like never before
Lol. That bird is long since dead.
Cave shmups were pushed hardest and most impressively during the first 6-12 months of their release at arcades. What's happening now is a couple miserable necrophiliacs milking the dead corpse of some Cave shmup hoping for that one lucky NMNB clutch RNG run, or hoping to trigger a janky bug on time.

What is being <pushed> now for Cave is westies collecting 1ccs of normal and novice modes, that's where most of the action and strat sharing is taking place.

[Anonymous No.8214921]

Hardcore shmup fans are more mentally ill than even tranny speedrunners.

Just play the game and go for like, I dunno, a 3 cred continue. Something normal and fun and not auistic to achieve then move on

[Anonymous No.8214931]

>>8214917
>Cave shmups were pushed hardest and most impressively during the first 6-12 months of their release at arcades.

and the only ones worth scoring at the time wouldve been dodonpachi, daioujou or ketsui.

if you actually read the cave interviews at shmuplations, you could easily tell that most of the games during that era were made on a retarded deadline sometimes by just 1 programmer (futari BL was made in a month)
meanwhile most of the people working on sdoj weren't smart enough to realize that a scoring system that revolves around cancels can't have bullet cancelling enemies in only 2 stages out of 5 (at least we hired big name VAs for most of the budget)

>>8214826
even the biggest Cave shill working at Cave wouldn't pretend their past products are alive and competitive anymore lmao
fuck cave, glad it's dead, any half decent doujin team or even 1 person can make a better game when they're not limited by retarded underpowered hardware where the game barely fits in the memory and ridiculous deadlines and when the devs actually play the games themselves, just look at battle traverse or crimzon clover where it's done by people who actually know what a good shmup should be, not by shinobu "sdoj is too hard" yagawa
the only thing they really had going for them towards the end was the visual design and incredible music
even blue revolver was a more coherent shmup than most of cave's late output and it was made in some ez2use 2d game framework as their first shmup ever

[Anonymous No.8214937]

>>8214931
are u BNM

[Anonymous No.8214942]

>>8214921
to be fair you have to be mentally ill to find this genre of 'Computer science student's first project first pass' appealing whatsoever
i dont know why the venn diagram of really awful weaboos and shmup fans is nearly a circle.
its worse than JRPGs somehow

[Anonymous No.8214958]

>>8214917
>wahhh you can't go for high scores because the games are old!!!
all this underachiever cope holy shit
>>8214931
people will play even worse games and you can't do anything about it, just deal with it.

[Anonymous No.8214967]

>>8214931
>made on a retarded deadline sometimes by just 1 programmer (futari BL was made in a month)
There's something hilarious about chad programmers making these games that quickly barely pllaying them beyond a 1CC themselves, meanwhilst dorks are stuck losing sleep and ruining their health trying to make the numbers go up up up for years

>>8214921
>>8214753
>that HAHAHAHA YES reaction followed by pure misery
that guy seems bipolar, getting a gaming goal is neat and cool but not something to get that excited or miserable about it's just games lol

[Anonymous No.8215005]

>>8214164
>Do shmup fans not like good music, good graphics, and good gameplay?
touhou being the most popular shmup is proof that they don't

[Anonymous No.8215147]

mfw reading this thread and laughing at the guy who thinks he's arguing with me when it's clearly chav

[Anonymous No.8215167]

>>8215147
>when it's clearly chav
only it isn't me either.

[Anonymous No.8215171]

>>8214164
same reason they hate milestone, shmupfags especially that gen HATE anything non cave formulae, everything slightly original or diff always got slated.

[Anonymous No.8215180]

>>8215171
agreed the worst affenders are the ones with no curtosy towards Treasure for instance seething at Gradius5 or ikaruga or gunstar heroes because they can't understand puzzles and cool gimmicks

[Anonymous No.8215182]

>>8215180
ikaruga is straight up boring though.

[Anonymous No.8215463]

>>8215180
ikaruga is wank though and gradius deviated on everything that made gradius gradius to appease a casual fag market, bumstar weirdos was aight though.

[Anonymous No.8215467]

>>8215463
What in your opinion was the last real Gradius game?

[Anonymous No.8215473]

>>8215463
Gradius V is pretty damn hard for casuals imo

[Anonymous No.8215551]

Does anyone got any tips for this game? As of now I'm trying to make it to stage 3 without dying.
My current strategy is sticking to one side as long as possible (to avoid spawning enemies) and using the fist charge shot as a bullet shield.

[Anonymous No.8215558]

>>8215551
Just to make things clear, it's Twinbee Yahho.
What version would you consider the best? I usually play the PSP version.

[Anonymous No.8215592]

>>8215467
4 without question, it is the refinement of every gradius trait, balanced rank system makes every checkpoint recoverable, the pacing is perfect, has the best moai stage of all time, everything in it is gradius taken to the max in a good way.

>>8215473
yeah it is but its still a casualization of the formulae and unskippable cutscenes + 1hr loop with NO moai? bland and gay, the tiny shitbox looks retarded aswell when you play, doesnt suit it at all imo.

[Anonymous No.8215669]

>>8215592
>no moai
What brainlet at nu-konami thought it would be a great idea to leave out one of the most recognizable aspects of the series and many konmai games in general?

[Anonymous No.8215708]

>>8215592
is emulation the only real option to play iv

[Anonymous No.8215715]

>dude gameplay is the only thing that matters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=152D-4yfK90

[Anonymous No.8215759]

>>8215715
unsure if you're saying the game looks great but plays like shit, or vice versa, or something else. as with deathsmiles, I really like the cool monsters but I'm not a child molester so I feel like the game really isn't aimed at me.

[Anonymous No.8215814]

>>8215759
i just think it looks like a shitty mobile game.

[Anonymous No.8215875]

>>8215708
great ps2 port and psp but you have to change the settings back to arcade,psp has a great emu and mame now sorta emulates 4 with some graphical hiccups

[Anonymous No.8215902]

>>8189458
Based as fuck

[Anonymous No.8216014]

hey haters, riddle me this!! if shmups are so dead and bad why are /shmup/ threads on /vr/ so heckin rad and valid?

[Anonymous No.8216136]

>>8215669
Treasure / Iuchi probably didn't want any of the wacky elements in their super serious and dramatic take on Gradius.

[Anonymous No.8216152]

The game that killed the Gradius franchise...

>several unskippable cutscenes
>all the music besides remixes is shit
>gimmicky and overpowered control of multiples
>checkpoints should be forced but are off by default
>lacking in organic stages/enemies; too much emphasis on Cores
>last level is a rehash of the second stage for retarded story reasons
>have to unlock Edit Mode which Shield, Ripple, etc. are locked behind
>shite rank system compared to IV's absolutely perfect mechanics
>doubles the shot limit making it easier to shoot things
>1x1 Vic Viper hitbox panders to tranmaku fans
>overlong with atrocious pacing issues
>option hunter rarely shows up

[Anonymous No.8216175]

>>8216152
>overly long
We get it, 3 and 5 filtered you.

[Anonymous No.8216186]

>>8216175
3 at least has hard stages before the end. The only stage you could call difficult in V is the second to last one. Terrible pacing.

[Anonymous No.8216187]

>>8189494
Must be Psikyo?

[Anonymous No.8216190]

>>8215463
Gunstar is crap too, the outer space shmup level is lame and Dice Palace is a waste of time full of stupid puzzles and easy mini-bosses, shame because it could've been a decent run 'n gun without all the shitty gimmicks.

The only good Treasure game was Bangai-O for the Sega Dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.8216203]

>>8216175
3 is actually only about 45 minutes of gameplay, it only feels longer because of the slowdowns. V on the other hand takes almost 90 minutes to loop.

[Anonymous No.8216226]

>>8216190
>all music is shit
u listen to Addison Groove so all your opinions are invalid
>>8216152
Rsg, ikaruga, gradius v, gunstar, alien fucking soldier, Bangai o, Sin and Punishment, Astroboy Omega factor, light crusader....etc the list goes on and on hit after quality hit m8
get your head on straight , youre talking absolute rubbish

[Anonymous No.8216236]

>>8216226
Gucci fuck I'm drunk can't quote proper

[Anonymous No.8216260]

How do we make shmups more popular?
Answer: build a time machine to go back to 1989

[Anonymous No.8216262]

>>8201826
Eschatos, its only bullethellish on hard

[Anonymous No.8216269]

>>8216262
Best shmup OST by far better than anything raizing , cave or milestone made

[Anonymous No.8216307]

>>8216226
thats not even me you spastic fuck and i know addison groove personally, matter of fact i still have his promo cd from years back befre he was even headhunter.

>>8216152
this

>>8216269
its deece but not even close to KHDN, behave yourself

[Anonymous No.8216331]

>>8216260
basically. people's relationship to video games is just different now. people play a video game to disengage their mind and just grind mobs or watch cutscenes

[Anonymous No.8216351]

>>8216260
>How do we make shmups more popular?
by getting rid of the entire current community.

[Anonymous No.8216358]

>>8216260
I really think that shmups are just dormant for a bit. I really smell a big-time resurgence in the next few years, and not a deluge of Cave danmaku but honest to got classic action games on modern hardware. Platinum is making one, but it looks like a retro throwback. But fuck me if there isn't a modern shmup with production values of at least Mega Man 11 in the next few years.

[Anonymous No.8216375]

>>8216269
>Best shmup OST by far better than anything raizing , cave or milestone made

better than zuntata, though?

[Anonymous No.8216418]

>>8216351
>by getting rid of the last dying remnants of /shmupg/.
ftfy

[Anonymous No.8216552]

Is there no universal autofire solution for Retroarch?

[Anonymous No.8216563]

>>8216552
In input there is a turbo option and that should be universal

[Anonymous No.8216637]

>>8216418
self reflection needed for soi, shmupg is nothing compared to the sea of filth that makes this genre a literal embarrassment, i long for theh day of an stgweekly episode where the person speaking sounds fucking normal.

[Anonymous No.8216649]

if i can't repeat a 1cc did i just get lucky

[Anonymous No.8216826]

>>8216649
i dont think a 1cc of anything can be accomplished by luck alone

[Anonymous No.8216842]

>>8216826
*laughs in twin cobra 2*

[Anonymous No.8217715]

>>8216649
I don't think you can consistently 1cc anything without some luck

[Anonymous No.8217719]

>>8216014
shmups are unpopular but not dead, scoring is the dead thing, the hottest shmups have zero to one players pushing them, and they all look like this

[Anonymous No.8218187]

>>8216563
How does it work? I remember trying it and nothing happened. I thought the individual cores had to offer turbo buttons to map to.

[Anonymous No.8218219]

the bullet hell and fancy scoring had caused it to decline since the big 3, on top of casuals going to single play easy 3d shooters

[Anonymous No.8218243]

ok! Contra (arcade) 1cc finished, back to my shmup practice :)

[Anonymous No.8218334]

shmup fans (fake) ladies and gentlemen.....


this is why the genre is dead

[Anonymous No.8218350]

>>8218334
Why are Treasurefags always so insufferable and defensive?

[Anonymous No.8218421]

>>8212773
>>8213319
Who's rob?

[Anonymous No.8218453]

>>8203580
>>8211346
You didn't buy it, you're just reading into >>8190123's lies.
>>8203624
You don't even have the real hardware, fuck off with your lies.
>>8205029
He's lying.
>>8205512
Now you're making shit up.
>>8212156
Don't believe >>8190123's lies.

[Anonymous No.8218457]

>>8216136
They're the same team who did the MSX spin offs and Gradius 3 when they were still at Konami, they just simply forgot to add them in the game is all.

[Anonymous No.8218460]

>>8218350
Take your meds Australia-kun

[Anonymous No.8218492]

>>8217719
>scoring is dead
Probably because to begin with it only made sense if your taste or wallet was too narrow to enjoy a vast variety of games and other genres, instead of playing the same one you already 1CC'd over and over.

[Anonymous No.8218557]

>>8218457
>forgot to add an extremely memorable element
So they just spontaneously became retarded?

[Anonymous No.8218560]

>>8218492

or maybe i just really like that one game and every now and then play it for score since i can already 1cc it easy? What the hell is this? Do you think all shmup games are interchangeable or something?

[Anonymous No.8218561]

>>8218187
I never used it so you'll have to find out yourself

[Anonymous No.8218563]

>>8218350
i dunno why Treasure-fans trigger you so easily, what do you think?

[Anonymous No.8218613]

All of the games made by CAVE should to Steam. Or at least DOJ should.

[Anonymous No.8218778]

>>8196142
>Biohazard Battle
Found one and picked up an arcade stick as well :^) haven't been able to sink much time in yet but I'm liking it so far!

[Anonymous No.8218842]

I can't keep on living like this anymore guys

[Anonymous No.8218854]

>>8218421
>Who's rob?
iconoclast the guy with a counter stop notch count.

[Anonymous No.8218870]

>>8218842
Good for you, better yourself in a real way. But also keep playing shooters.

[Anonymous No.8219116]

Time for today's miserable grind!

[Anonymous No.8219164]

>>8219116
clearly a ketsui player

[Anonymous No.8219414]

>>8189439
So how do you get good? Do you watch superplays and try to mimic them?

[Anonymous No.8219423]

>>8192107
>srpgs, drpgs
Both beatable by fast forwarding your way to higher levels.

[Anonymous No.8219424]

>>8219414

[Anonymous No.8219543]

>>8219414
I just initially played with a lot of credits and worked my way down: first 9, then 7, 5, 3, etc

That was when I was new. If ever needed real help I'd see if there was a good video to show how to survive a boss attack

[Anonymous No.8219645]

>>8219424
Fucking lmao made my day
>>8219543
Gotcha, I'll just start playing for 1cc first.

[Anonymous No.8220389]

>>8219414
Play a few times from the start to figure out where I'm regularly having trouble then either use stage select to figure out those areas or watch how better players handle them. I don't like credit feeding. I'd rather turn down the difficulty if I'm just straight up eating shit without much progress.

[Anonymous No.8220403]

>>8219116
if you're scoring then yeah, it's just grind. I just nailed an ice cold 1cc. sometimes you just turn on the game and you no miss just about every stage.

[Anonymous No.8220478]

mfw my shmup homeworking keeps building up whilst i play comfy elf

[Anonymous No.8220773]

>>8220478
Not sure what that means but shmups are comfy too until you start bbelieving your results are real achievements, and not just an entertaining time wastes

>>8219414
You get Good by not letting the game make you it's bitch, sacrifice as little as possible while getting consistent entertainment. Don't ever become a games' bitch see >>8214753

[Anonymous No.8220870]

>>8202506
>360
>not dreamcast and saturn
lol

[Anonymous No.8220881]

>>8220870
nothing good on dreamcast except border down and gunspike, and saturn only has soukygurentai, everything else is inferior, more novelty ports, and better versions exist

[Anonymous No.8220895]

>>8216260
>How do we make shmups more popular?
the question should be how do we fix shmups? specially their dated combat, limited weapon systems, excessive focus on memorization rather than skill and ingeuinty, and cheap one-hit deaths

[Anonymous No.8220898]

>>8220881
nah man you're high as fuck

[Anonymous No.8220904]

>>8220895
euroshmups are older than you, pig anon

[Anonymous No.8220912]

>>8220895
why do shmups need to be more popular? they're probably the biggest retro genre and compete with JRPGs for title of most popular genre. isnt that good enough

[Anonymous No.8220913]

>>8220895
most shmups are very susceptible to memorization, that's true, it breaks the genre which is why ''copy monkey'' aka copying replays is a real meme for fans. Going forward copying replays should be worthless beyond learning some basic strategies or combos like in fighting games. This means going forward shmups will need immense amounts of fun and skill-based RNG to replace dry and memo-based unskilled pattern monkeying

[Anonymous No.8220920]

>>8220912
>why do shmups need to be more popular?
the post you reply to says how to fix, not how to make popular

[Anonymous No.8220930]

>>8220912
>they're probably the biggest retro genre and compete with JRPGs for title of most popular genre
dude I wanna be on your alternate dimension

[Anonymous No.8220936]

rng shmups already exist but you still play pigs

[Anonymous No.8220938]

>>8220930
get out of your bubble. literally look at this general. you think generals for other genres last this long and get this many posts? and when this general dies it will immediately be replaced. Go on youtube, tons of popular retro shmup people.
If we're discussing entire retro genres? Yeah shmup is probably competing with JRPGs

[Anonymous No.8220940]

>>8220938
more layers of delusion than chav

[Anonymous No.8220942]

>>8220913
>replace pattern memorization with skill and reaction and creativity
This would change the audience completely.
Every high level shmup player i've talked to says they get creamed in rts and fighters online, so they retreat back to shmups or other memo-games where solutions can be memorized and executed nearly the same way over and over

[Anonymous No.8220953]

>>8220942
so ill never be smart enough to play strategy or fighters?
I just cant get into fighters. i hate the movement so much

[Anonymous No.8220967]

>>8220773
Your value as a person is determined by how many points your score in shmups. Retard.

[Anonymous No.8221004]

>>8220942
>>8220913

That's why pure survival shouldn't be a thing in shmups, get rid of the 1CC bullshit -- it's a totally mindless pursuit only meant for absolute newcomers.

I was less engaged learning and performing a Gunbird 2-all than doing lunatic or even normal runs in Fire Emblem games.

You can literally turn your brain off while learning a shmup survival route and let your eyes and hands grind muscle memory automatically, specially with the millions of replays available now

[Anonymous No.8221006]

>>8221004
>nuFE
guess we know the shmup audience now, jesus christ

[Anonymous No.8221017]

>>8221004
Disagree. at least 1cc has definite end to the game so I can move on. but with scoring it's never ending and you never feel satisfied unless there's a hard counterstop (which I prefer)
>>8221006
are you just figuring out that good players, bad players and superplayers all like rpgs? with very rare exceptions?

[Anonymous No.8221021]

completing final fantasy 12 was more mentally demanding than 2-alling the strikers trilogy, for me

[Anonymous No.8221024]

>>8221017
>being obtuse on purpose
Whatever man, keep your secrets

[Anonymous No.8221041]

>>8220895
>How do we make fps more popular?
the question should be how do we fix fps? specially their low-iq combat, limited weapon systems, excessive focus on twitch reflexes rather than strategic thinking, and boring regenerating health

>How do we make rpgs more popular?
the question should be how do we fix rpgs? specially their predictable combat, rigid progression systems, excessive focus on grinding, and slow boring gameplay

>How do we make fighting games more popular?
the question should be how do we fix fighting games? specially their unga-bunga combat, repetitive character concepts, excessive focus on combo memorization rather than unique strategies, and annoying low vs high tier dynamic

>How do we make rts games more popular?
the question should be how do we fix rts? specially their rock-paper-scissors combat, copy-pasted unit roster, excessive focus on fast clicking rather than careful planning, and frustrating lop-sided momentum

[Anonymous No.8221063]

>>8221006
hint: that guy only plays pigs and not shmups

[Anonymous No.8221074]

>>8221063
He thinks pigs are good? Embarrassing... funny how the fact that he needs to shitpost in a totally unrelated thread just shows how boring and pointless his chosen genre is.

[Anonymous No.8221079]

>>8220895
weird how other genres doesn't needs fixing since they are crush every metric from gameplay to competition to popular

[Anonymous No.8221082]

>>8221074
gotta cope with being shit at games by posting here while his games are playing themselves and levelling up

[Anonymous No.8221085]

>>8221082
lol I know the type. 30+ all his life is video games but since it was pigs he has no skills
shmup enjoyers make them seethe

[Anonymous No.8221101]

>>8221085
rpgs take skill though, building your character and strategizing on the fly.

[Anonymous No.8221102]

>>8221004
>>8220913
>>8220895
I wouldn't mind seeing a survival-horror type shmup. some rooms are puzzle oriented, others are bullet hells, others are just exploring for story -- and some a mix of both. You don't need a ship you could walk around like in Guwange. I think more shmups should use characters because it's way better to look at a character and get attached to them than just a hunk of metal junk

[Anonymous No.8221108]

>>8221101
i agree it takes skill to stomach their boredom to get to the end

[Anonymous No.8221116]

>>8221082
I suspect he got filtered HARD by a shmup he really wanted to like and will now be butthurt his entire life by it.

[Anonymous No.8221119]

>>8221102
>I think more shmups should use characters because it's way better to look at a character and get attached to them than just a hunk of metal junk

That's a reason fighting games and most other genres took off so well, many characters to chose from with different flavors and personalities, not just blue-car with blue-weapon, red-car with red-weapon, or black-ship, red-ship.,etc
By the time shmups caught on with Sexy Parodius or Deathsmiles it was too little too late

[Anonymous No.8221124]

>>8221116
many such cases

[Anonymous No.8221135]

>>8220478
>comfy elf
I wouldn't mind more elves in my shmups desu and some cool loot to spice things up

[Anonymous No.8221152]

>>8221004
>I was less engaged learning and performing a Gunbird 2-all
how long did GB 2-all take? I guess after you know the route it's just a matter of repetition kind of like grinding an rpg?

>FE
amazing how this one genre is so cool and powerful ;)

[Anonymous No.8221183]

https://youtu.be/eimOELGhyOg?t=35

when collector grabbers step into shmupg

[Anonymous No.8221186]

>>8221004
>specially with the millions of replays available now
as if it wasn't the same shit for scoring, it's on the player if you want to copy monkey or not.

[Anonymous No.8221226]

>>8221186
scoring is different because it's not reduced to just visual move & dodge routing like survival (unless the scoring is total trash).

In something good like Garegga, Ketsui, Espgaluda 2, Dimahoo, there are big factors going on behind the scenes you won't understand even after watching the replay a hundred times.

And #2 scoring doesn't have a clear end point to learn, you can always improve on it while a 1cc is just a 1cc, a no-miss is a no-miss and that's the end of that move 'n shoot grind.

>>8221183
Shmup Thread™ is clearly better than that trash

[Anonymous No.8221260]

>>8221226
it's the same memorization shit, scoring just means you have to memorize more things, if anything replays are more useful for scoring than for survival because you'll understand all the hidden scoring shit faster, survival is less demanding to route for yourself and can be more enjoyable if you don't want something super strict.
>And #2 scoring doesn't have a clear end point to learn
it has if you have a goal, same as survival goals, very few peopple (wr players etc) indefinitely push the games forever.
>a no-miss is a no-miss and that's the end of that move 'n shoot grind.
show me your doj nmnb big boi

[Anonymous No.8221264]

good night!

[Anonymous No.8221636]

Yeah scoring takes thinking even figuring out formulas and hidden variables you can't see on screen and doing combos like in a fighting game, nothing like brain dead move n shoot survival this guy >>8221260
never touched a cave or raizing seriously and he'll never understand Ikaruga

[Anonymous No.8221660]

>>8221636
i have which is why i know you are a full of shit poser, scoring is just the next step after 1cc

[Anonymous No.8221665]

I play for fun

[Anonymous No.8221679]

>>8221636
combos are the worst and most grindy thing in fighting games

[Anonymous No.8221730]

>>8221679
Perma Scrub mind

[Anonymous No.8221802]

>>8221186
Nope. Once you learn scoring mechanics you learn where to get those points in each stage and runs become more flexible. The idea you are suggesting, of trying to just “copy” a replay, is extremely retarded.

[Anonymous No.8221836]

>>8221730
how is that so? you are allowed to complain about certain parts of the game even if you like generally playing them and need to know a few bits to win.
In most games, grinding combos is also gets you the least ability / time spent, and learning a few B&B combos is better than going through the challenge mode ones; learning properties of moves and general spacing will get you a lot further and faster.
Playing against other players also gets you much further than grinding out combos in training mode. The combos are just to push you a little further against an otherwise equal opponent.

[Anonymous No.8221934]

>>8221665
wrong thread buddy?

[Anonymous No.8221940]

>>8221665
BASED. What are you playing? I've been rocking some Twinbee lately.

[Anonymous No.8221956]

>>8221940
ffv fiesta
daytona3
ninja commando

[Anonymous No.8222032]

Just about time for today's miserable grind!

>>8221665
Never gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.8222039]

My favorite scoring system is you get points by blowing things up

[Anonymous No.8222045]

>>8222039
based, it's the only sensible scoring system

[Anonymous No.8222051]

>>8219116
>>8222032
what's your endgame?

[Anonymous No.8222054]

>>8221226
true facts

>>8222051
600mill kektsui then find a girl to finally kiss

[Anonymous No.8222065]

>>8222051
There is no endgame. Real niggas grind until they die.

[Anonymous No.8222068]

>>8222051
getting rich with shares while on the dole

[Anonymous No.8222073]

>>8221940
Last resort! I like that you can shoot the cars on the highway for no reason and on stage 2 when you destroy the floating turrets you can see the soldiers jumping out haha

[Anonymous No.8222078]

>>8222073
Not a fan of that one sorry

>>8222065
>Real niggas grind until they die.
oops meant dumb*

[Anonymous No.8222083]

>>8222073
That looks fun, might give it a shot, are you using MAME?

[Anonymous No.8222095]

>>8222083
>>8222073
lol

[Anonymous No.8222246]

>>8214359
God that is fucking depressing to read.

[Anonymous No.8222310]

>>8214359
>this guy denies being on anti depressants

i bet i was fucking right.

[Anonymous No.8222334]

just need to sharped the memory lads

[Anonymous No.8222389]

>>8222334
hehe, owned

[Anonymous No.8222409]

>>8221940
always and forever

[Anonymous No.8222415]

>>8222045
Collecting things for points can be ok but it shouldn't take focus from exploding stuff

[Anonymous No.8222593]

I just want a western record in a danmaku
What do?

[Anonymous No.8222597]

>>8222593
whatever you do don't play karous, someone already got the max possible score of 3.2 bil

[Anonymous No.8222620]

>>8222597
why do you do this? at least stick to things people actually said.

[Anonymous No.8222672]

>>8222620

[Anonymous No.8222678]

>>8221802
survival runs are even more flexible you retard. i'm not saying you can't score without reference replay, i'm just saying it saves a lot of time.

[Anonymous No.8222680]

our boy tane is live get in here

[Anonymous No.8222684]

>>8222672
great banter

truly a sharped mind

[Anonymous No.8222796]

>>8222593
play something no ones plays like dimahoo or deathsmiles 2, or a ship no one plays in whatever popular game

[Anonymous No.8224024]

>>8222680
anyone else find his anime avatar creepy and off putting? something weird about it, probably the pointy chin and mullet

[Anonymous No.8224028]

>>8222796
dimahoo is one of those shooters you need to study a text book amount of strategy before you can score, might as well just min/max my rpgs in that case

[Anonymous No.8224082]

>>8195241
>Zero Wing

[Anonymous No.8224087]

What is the name of that arcade shmup where
>you play as a robot
>but the bottom half of the robot is on wheels, treads, or a spidertank, i can't remember what exactly. so rather than simply flying around you have to jump
>also on some parts you are driving/crawling up a slopped wall and have to keep pressing up to avoid falling off

[Anonymous No.8224109]

>>8224087
there's a robot with wheels/treads in Fixeight. Not sure.

[Anonymous No.8224114]

>>8224109
That's sick af but the game was a horizontal scroller.

[Anonymous No.8224125]

>>8220967
This but unironically.

[Anonymous No.8224132]

>>8224125
a simple giga wing 1cc yields more points than anything else

[Anonymous No.8224327]

Is anyone playing Futari God mode anymore? I notice a couple World records were set for BL Maniac & Original in 2020, but not much action for God mode since 2013 by NAK

i wonder why

[Anonymous No.8224496]

>>8224114
Powered Gear, but it's a bmoop not a shmoop

[Anonymous No.8224503]

>>8224114
or could also be Wolf Fang

[Anonymous No.8224597]

>>8224327
its pushed too high for anyone to want to waste their life on and the jerky slowdown is atrocious.. i mean its well designed and meant to be !!! t. cave tards

[Anonymous No.8224621]

>>8224597
>pushed too high
yeah that score is insane

>the jerky slowdown is atrocious.
it's pretty consistent if you have a route and feels cool imo

[Anonymous No.8224770]

>>8224597
fox n grapes cope

[Anonymous No.8224778]

>>8224503
Fucking hell, that's it! Thanks lad.

[Anonymous No.8224820]

what about the cult classic trevor mcfur and the crescent galaxy on the atari jaguar??

[Anonymous No.8224851]

>>8194759
Fire Shark. I’m working on beating the second loop now. Has become one of my favorite all time greats. Not too hard with patience.

[Anonymous No.8224856]

>>8197518
This one seems way ahead of its time with all the weapon and speed choices.

[Anonymous No.8224857]

>>8202839
Me too. Back in the day we called them “shooters” which is what I called them still.

[Anonymous No.8224889]

>>8197662
Cotton 2 and Guardian Force have built in 7 frames of input lag no matter what while other more intensive fully 3D games like Burning Rangers have a more normal 3 frames. It even happens on the STV board. You can easily test it out yourself by pressing Alt + A to enable frame advance mode on Mednafen and count by yourself, Shift + P on MAME.
The games were just coded that way.

[Anonymous No.8224898]

>>8224889
we got too cocky cotton bros

[Anonymous No.8224914]

>>8224857
Same. "shmup" is fucking cringe.

[Anonymous No.8224961]

What's the ultimate 1cc?

[Anonymous No.8224987]

>>8224961
TRUXTON

[Anonymous No.8225027]

>>8224961
Vimana

[Anonymous No.8225046]

>>8218187
The turbo in Retroarch is really shit. I recommend

>use DS4Windows
>enable double finger swipe to change profiles
>have a standard profile with no lightbar
>have a turbo profile with a different lightbar color (I use very small amount of light bc it's distracting)
>configure turbo macros for applicable buttons by setting 2ms delays + repeat
>set it to output as DS4
>tick the Hide DS4 box (IMPORTANT)
>swap to your turbo profile in-game with the two-finger swipe whenever you want to use turbo
>as a bonus, you can also override in-game deadzones and configure your own custom global deadzones using anti-deadzone to .5 and then deadzone to whatever you want (I use .21)

[Anonymous No.8225056]

>>8224621
>it's pretty consistent if you have a route and feels cool imo
lmao cave faggots never cease to amaze me.

[Anonymous No.8225075]

what's better than a full screen bullet cancel?

[Anonymous No.8225127]

>>8224327
because the shmup golden years 2008-2014 are over, now is the time of sloth and decay

[Anonymous No.8225129]

>>8224851
>Fire Shark
Just watched a video of it. Looks great! I'll have to keep my eyes open for that one. Pic related came in the mail the other day so my winter gaming schedule is already filling up fast.

[Anonymous No.8225131]

>>8225129
Forgot pic

[Anonymous No.8225550]

>>8225127
Cope. We are in a boom period for shmups, the community is bigger and better than ever before and new games are being released all the time.

[Anonymous No.8225615]

>>8225075
I don't know? Two TATE screens?

>>8225550
>2021 shmup boom & best community ever
What are you on?

[Anonymous No.8225692]

>>8225550
Freeze, no lying in shmup thread.
State how long hyper laser lasts in DDP Daioujou or post a Strikers 2all, now.

[Anonymous No.8225696]

>>8191383
And dynamite headdy...

[Anonymous No.8225724]

>>8189439
There are no good shmups on SNES

[Anonymous No.8225732]

>>8225692
It lasts for a second obviously.

[Anonymous No.8225734]

>>8225724
>There are no good shmups on SNES
Never played any myself but I heard UN Squadron was gud

[Anonymous No.8225737]

>>8225734
It's shit compared to the arcade version like always, don't believe the tendie cope about muh content.

[Anonymous No.8225785]

>>8225615
>the constant stream of Hamster games, along with motherfucking Xexex announced
>Crisis Wing
>M2's Tiger Heli collection
>every Cotton game being ported, along with the newest one being release in December
>Razion EX finally on the eShop
>G-Darius HD
>Espgaluda 2 and Mushihimesama ports were exceptional
>all those G-Mode shmups
>Buraigun console port
>fucking R-Type returned
>Abarenbo Tengoku and Greylancer are getting ports this month
>Castle of Shikigami 2 being retranslated along with a new arrange being added
>Sol Cresta
>Moon Dancer
>confirmed PC ports of Darius Collections
>World EXplosion is a free update for people who already have CC on PC
What are YOU on? Shmups are doing just fine you frogposting faggot.

[Anonymous No.8225787]

>>8225724
>>8225737
australia pls

[Anonymous No.8225797]

>>8225692
I, too, would last for a second in Hatano Yui

[Anonymous No.8225802]

>>8225785
Get on a diet Elixir

[Anonymous No.8225806]

>>8225802
Like I care about that faggot. I exclusively watch Shmup Junkie for recommendations and Bullet Heaven for explaining scoring mechanics.

[Anonymous No.8225807]

truxton is fucking unplayable without autofire, jesus

[Anonymous No.8225818]

>>8225807
t. shitter

[Anonymous No.8225825]

>>8225806
>(((Shmup Junkie)))
yikes!!

[Anonymous No.8225851]

>>8225825
Lord, what's wrong with Shmup Junkie?

[Anonymous No.8225857]

>>8225851
He said he was a jew in his bionic commando video so now I hate him.

[Anonymous No.8225865]

I recently got two copies of DoDonPachi for the price of one DoDonPachi. Feeling good

>>8225806
That Tecnosoft video he put out recently was a good watch

[Anonymous No.8226092]

>>8225857
He told people not to buy the new Cotton ports and pushed NGDev to release Razion digitally to fuck scalpers. If he's a Jew he's the black sheep of the tribe.

[Anonymous No.8226095]

>>8225857
dropped!

[Anonymous No.8226101]

>>8225692
>you will never be a wmaf jav star

[Anonymous No.8226154]

>>8226092
the scooby doo cries as he strikes you

[Anonymous No.8226169]

>>8226101
>you will never be a counter stop notch count power virgin who wanks to talentless jav stars and unironically listens to jpop and slipknot

lifes not so bad after all lads

[Anonymous No.8226171]

>>8225785
>the constant stream of Hamster games, along with motherfucking Xexex announced
machine gun spamming roms i can play on mame, wowee
>Crisis Wing
resorting to poojins already? yikes......
>M2's Tiger Heli collection
yawn and i can play it on mame
>every Cotton game being ported, along with the newest one being release in December
shit games shit ports
>Razion EX finally on the eShop
lol
>G-Darius HD
i can play this on a ps1 emulator scaled to 1080p
>Espgaluda 2 and Mushihimesama ports were exceptional
ports of 360 games released a decade ago, wowza
>all those G-Mode shmups
lmao
>Buraigun console port
literally who?
>fucking R-Type returned
kikestarter trash
>Abarenbo Tengoku and Greylancer are getting ports this month
mame
>Castle of Shikigami 2 being retranslated along with a new arrange being added
i can already play it on my pc
>Sol Cresta
looks shit
>Moon Dancer
literally what?
>confirmed PC ports of Darius Collections
they are already ported to pc it's called mame
>World EXplosion is a free update for people who already have CC on PC
shit arrange no one cares about

yeah.
shmups are dead.

[Anonymous No.8226179]

>>8226171
>>Moon Dancer
>literally what?
this.

more like coom cancer.

[Anonymous No.8226191]

>>8226179
>>8226171
Moon Dancer is the sequel to Raging Blasters. You'd know this if you weren't just a shitposting retard that had to Google all of those games.

[Anonymous No.8226201]

>>8226191
>Raging Blasters
never heard of this shit either lmfao and i bet i been around this shite longer than you wee drinker.

[Anonymous No.8226212]

>>8226169
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGNqvH9ykfA

vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWfiog1Ure4

yeah, i'm thinking i'll go with slipknot.

[Anonymous No.8226240]

>>8226201
Bet you've never accomplished anything in that span of time either.

[Anonymous No.8226252]

>>8226240

[Anonymous No.8226294]

>>8226101
I didn't need this feel today.

[Anonymous No.8226318]

we're getting a sequel to Terra Cresta? that's cool

[Anonymous No.8226401]

>>8225797
Jannies missed this one

[Anonymous No.8226445]

What horizontal scrolling games have vertical sections? (that don't change your ship orientation to vertical)

[Anonymous No.8226450]

>>8225807
the mighty edusword got a 1cc without autofire, you simply need more training

[Anonymous No.8226475]

>>8226445
Mr. Heli
Thunder Cross has a few verti sections in the final stage (maybe other stages too but I'm too lazy to check)

[Anonymous No.8226639]

>>8225785
>port port port port
Good sign a genre is dead when that's all that happens on top of absolute shit sales figures, some cringe indie crap and no popularity outside 5 ppl on Twitter (3 of which are trying to profit from anything shmup related) . now more importantly tell us how the community is best ever when most are spectators or sick grabbers, they aren't playing those shitty ports more than a few hours before going back to jarpigs and mmos. Meanwhile competition has dried up completely

[Anonymous No.8226669]

>>8225724
Kiki kaikai is good

>>8225692
Kek

[Anonymous No.8226768]

>>8225724
R-Type 3, Phalanx, Axelay, Super Smash TV, Pop'n Twinbee...

[Anonymous No.8226851]

>>8226768
Gokujou Parodius, Jikkyou Oshaberi Parodius, Super Aleste, Darius Twin...

[Anonymous No.8226948]

>>8226639
And what have you done for the shmup community to combat these prevalent issues? Because as we all know Ketsui would sell gangbusters if more people just went for the 2all.

[Anonymous No.8226954]

>>8226639
>port port
Shmups STILL don't know how to make it in the console/pc/online market and with arcades dying in Japan thanks to the Chinese bio-weapon its only a matter of time before they run out of ports to port.

[Anonymous No.8227590]

>>8226445
R-Type Delta
Progear

[Anonymous No.8227597]

>>8226445
Salamander 1 & 2
both are good but 2 is way better

[Anonymous No.8227658]

>>8226445
Einhander
Deathsmiles

[Anonymous No.8227939]

I'm playing Granada.

Why's it so fucking hard?

[Anonymous No.8227978]

Why is 1944 not as well liked as the Capcom-developed ones or the Strikers trilogy?

[Anonymous No.8228101]

Just spent like 30 minutes trying to figure this shit out and finally found what the issue was.

For anyone who plays shmups in RetroArch (or honestly just uses RetroArch in general), set Integer Scaling ON, Set Allow Core to Rotate OFF (so cores cannot change rotation), and set aspect ratio to PAR 1:1 (automatically adjusts to the perfect aspect ratio).

What this does is allows you to use the video rotation setting in RetroArch to use TATE mode on a standard non-rotated screen at a pixel perfect size and aspect ratio while overriding any core that sometimes won't let you do this. So turn TATE mode on in-game, adjust screen rotation appropriately, PAR 1:1 will automatically adjust the aspect ratio for you, and then just save that as a game override so the rotation only saves for that game.

[Anonymous No.8229142]

>>8228101
What does default do? Usually default looks pretty fine right?

[Anonymous No.8229154]

I hate the bosses in Esprade way too much hp makes the fights boring, specially last boss blah

[Anonymous No.8229361]

>>8229142
I don't know what you mean by default, but a lot of games don't have an option to show the full screenspace at full resolution unless you select TATE mode. They're either squished, much lower res, or just cut off part of the screen.

Not allowing cores to rotate is needed for certain cores that override it and lock you only to 180°, and 1:1 PAR and integer scaling then just assures that you have pixel perfect resolution and aspect ratio after rotating the video (not screen) through retroarch settings

[Anonymous No.8230061]

>>8224857
You could be referring to fucking anything if you call them that, FPS? TPS?

[Anonymous No.8230567]

moon cresta is brutally hard wtf

[Anonymous No.8230830]

>>8230567
>limited shot and movement
what did you expect?

[Anonymous No.8230852]

the nice thing about old traditional shooters is anyone can beat them, no execution or reflexes required like bullet hells where some sections NEED stupid hard execution and crazy maneuvers. Not a fan of danmaku makes me feel like I'm playing a fucking fighting game or FPS, where you get gate kept by reflexes

[Anonymous No.8230982]

>>8230830
well you get 3 shots if you ever manage to get the ship upgraded

[Anonymous No.8230987]

>>8230852
is that true? or are all old shmups good for beginners?

[Anonymous No.8230994]

I am a failure.
My job is ass and Im ostracized at the workplace
I have no social life, never experienced anything with the opposite sex.
I go to the gym regularly and pursue constructive hobbies but it means nothing to the soul crushing emotional traumas I have
The sight of attractive women outside just tears me appart inside with regret and frustration.
I gamble as an early retirement plan
This is my life until I either become a multimillionnaire through some sort of extraordinary feat of luck against fate or finally give in to self destruction.
One outcome is obviously more likely to happen.

[Anonymous No.8231053]

>>8230852
post your gradius 3, raiden 2, samesame 1p, and r-type 2 replays if trad shmups are so easy, poseur-kun.

[Anonymous No.8231092]

>>8230994
unironically make irl friends outside work, get offline for a while, read a book even fiction, put money in low-risk investments, and be comfortable in the fact you will never become a multimillionaire gambling away your savings.

>>8231053
I think that anon means that if you can put in the time, you'll eventually clear them.

[Anonymous No.8231097]

>>8230994
Just install tinder bro
Also what mame version is best for shmups?

[Anonymous No.8231123]

I've been playing Capcom Arcade Stadium because I wanted to get a sorta curated walk through some classics, both for historical understanding and to build some shmup fundamentals. My goal is to 1CC each, or in the case of something infinite like Vulgus, complete at least one loop. I'm on 1942 now and breezing through it using the rewind just so I can see to the end of the game before I start working toward completion when I started to realize that this game is super long. So I looked up a video, and a full completion is a fucking hour. I dunno if I have if I have it in me to try working towards getting an hour of perfect play. We'll see, I guess.

[Anonymous No.8231126]

>>8231123
Goddamn it, I rotated the screenshot vertically on my computer and it still uploaded horizontally.

[Anonymous No.8231158]

>>8231053
you think those have hard execution? :/

[Anonymous No.8231284]

>>8230994
well my best mate turned 8k into 124k in 10 months on the stock market so anythings possible.

[Anonymous No.8231807]

>>8231092
>I think that anon means that if you can put in the time, you'll eventually clear them.
sounds like any shmup aside from retarded shit like Inbachi in SDOJ

[Anonymous No.8232815]

>>8227939
cuz when you die you lose ur powerups
just pause and put in the contra code like areal scrub

[Anonymous No.8232821]

>>8232815
lol i need glasses