>play N64 game >has literally 150-200 ms of input lag (9-12 frames at 60fps) inherent to the game alone >disabling framebuffer emulation breaks the game >game runs at 20-30 fps how the fuck is this even playable?

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Anonymous Thu Sep 30 06:40:13 2021 No.8189425 [Reply] [Original]

>play N64 game
>has literally 150-200 ms of input lag (9-12 frames at 60fps) inherent to the game alone
>disabling framebuffer emulation breaks the game
>game runs at 20-30 fps
how the fuck is this even playable?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 06:55:42 2021 No.8189435 mario, zelda, banjo, the list goes on and on....

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 06:57:05 2021 No.8189437 on original hardware like God intended

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 07:02:31 2021 No.8189448 >>8189425 Use a better emulator or use actual hardware

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 07:05:49 2021 No.8189452
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>disabling framebuffer emulation breaks the game

What game? Mario Tennis? That's the only game I can think of with advanced framebuffer effects, just look at that glow! No other game did this and I have no idea how they did it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 08:05:05 2021 No.8189550 >>8189437 This. OP is a faggot retard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 08:17:13 2021 No.8189565 File: 1.01 MB, 1401x1079, image-asset.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8189425 Which emulator are you using, OP?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 08:33:57 2021 No.8189580 >>8189425 >no computer specs >no game >no emulator with settings being used Good thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 08:35:51 2021 No.8189590 >>8189452 Zelda OoT, Rogue Squadron, Perfect Dark, and Banjo Kazooie just off the top of my head. >>8189437 I can guarantee it's almost just as bad on original hardware. OoT ran at fucking 16fps in PAL version lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 08:38:19 2021 No.8189601 >>8189590 The human eye cannot see more then 16fps

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 08:40:16 2021 No.8189607 >>8189601 I olay Quake 3 competitively and I can tell the difference between 100fps and 125fps. either cope or retarded.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 08:41:24 2021 No.8189613 >>8189607 That was quite clearly a joke.

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 08:45:42 2021 No.8189630

>>8189580
A high-end rig and the only relevant N64 emulator (Mupen64) has tons of input lag inherent to the game/emulator/system. This is literally best case scenario input lag by pausing game and advancing frame-by-frame until an action on screen, so it's not even including any external factors (thus it's actually even worse in practice)

My computer has no problem running it, this is just the games, the hardware, or the emulator itself. For example, Mario 64 with disabled frame buffering has literally 1-2 frames @60fps of input lag compared to 12 of OoT (where you have to enable frame buffering due to horrible artifacting). Even the Gamecube has literally one frame of input lag in some games (for example pausing in Raiden), and PS1 has two for many games; it technically should have three but you can actually use run-ahead unlike with Mupen64.

Also the frame buffering is literally emulating how the fucking N64 hardware does it, so I highly doubt it would be much better on actual hardware. Even then it would still be much worse on actual hardware for all the games where you can disable frame buffering without artifacts.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 08:54:21 2021 No.8189660 nazis get punched >>8189630

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 08:56:06 2021 No.8189665 >>8189452 >Mario without a moustache Woah...

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 09:06:26 2021 No.8189695 >>8189425 What the fuck is with all these shitty low quality N64 threads?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 09:12:25 2021 No.8189716 >>8189695 Its just /v/ bleeding into /vr/

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 09:21:17 2021 No.8189747 >>8189630 This is peak emufag cope.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 09:23:52 2021 No.8189762 >>8189660 You’ve never punched anyone, faggot.

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 09:28:04 2021 No.8189776
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>>8189630
>Also the frame buffering is literally emulating how the fucking N64 hardware does it, so I highly doubt it would be much better on actual hardware.
N64 is notorious for having the worst emulation due to it's thread flow. Use an Everdrive you massive fucking faggot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 09:31:47 2021 No.8189793 >>8189776 Real n64 hardware is slower than emulation, and also more expensive and faulty. Your homophobic insults cant change that fact.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 09:48:37 2021 No.8189826 >>8189776 don't waste money on an everdrive, there's only like 10 games on the console. Get them over with and never touch it again, that or do the smart thing and let them stay in your memory.

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 09:51:35 2021 No.8189836
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>>8189793
Then shut the fuck about latency or deal with it because emulation will increase it despite being able to run more frames than original hardware. Fast and accurate emulation for the N64 does not fucking exist, most times you're lucky to get just one of those qualities with emulation.
>Your homophobic insults
>>>/reddit/

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 09:54:12 2021 No.8189842 >>8189836 you were agreeable until >Your homophobic insults painful cringe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 09:59:40 2021 No.8189863 >>8189842 I don't like retards and I don't like faggots, which means I don't like retard faggots.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 10:02:36 2021 No.8189874 >>8189826 https://www.amazon.com/OSTENT-Cartridge-Adapter-Compatible-Nintendo-64/dp/B07D3SBHL4 85 dollars is less than you'll spend on those 10 games.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 10:02:52 2021 No.8189876 >>8189863 I actually didn't read the post you were responding to and thought you were greentexting him calling you a fag, kek. carry on, soldier.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 10:14:46 2021 No.8189912 >>8189590 >PAL region There's your problem. There's a reason game consoles in general aren't popular in PAL regions.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 10:15:47 2021 No.8189916 >>8189695 One angry boy years ago keeps spamming his hatred again and again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 10:28:25 2021 No.8189946 >>8189836 Modded Goldeneye and Perfect Dark on 1964 emu are a lot more responsive than on the original hardware.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 10:29:02 2021 No.8189949 >>8189874 just emulate them for free. They aren't worth obsessing over if they have the correct three point texture filter or noise transparency.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 10:30:00 2021 No.8189953 Does anyone aside from turboautists give a shit about framerate?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 10:33:34 2021 No.8189969 >>8189946 Do you mean the mods that add mouse aiming? That's when you add something that didn't exist originally and therefor don't have to try and mimic the original controls.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 10:42:46 2021 No.8190003 >>8189969 That's what happens when**

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 11:14:21 2021 No.8190156 >>8189630 the memearch N64 cores have long surpassed Mupen64

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 12:39:38 2021 No.8190373 >>8189630 Play on original hardware, emufag.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 13:29:40 2021 No.8190452 It was so good when people like OP didn't exist. PC faggots really are insufferable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 13:33:09 2021 No.8190458 >>8189590 >PAL lmao who gives a fuck

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 13:35:10 2021 No.8190463 >>8189912 >>8190458 No one is playing the PAL version, it's just that you're delusional if you think some of these games with awful framerates would run low latency on original hardware

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 13:54:27 2021 No.8190520 >>8189425 >9-12 frames of input lag On your shitty emulator? sure. Not on my actual NTSC N64 though, not by a longshot.

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 14:47:08 2021 No.8190659

>>8190520
that's 9-12 frames at 60fps (to keep it standardized).

Imagine thinking 20fps Zelda doesn't have 150+ ms input lag button to pixel

It feels so fucking insanely sluggish especially since NES, SNES, Genesis, GB, GBA all have 2 frames with runahead down to 1. PSX is 3 with runahead down to 2. And DS, Saturn, and GCN are 3-4. Then you have N64 where many games have fucking 10

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 15:12:12 2021 No.8190727 [DELETED]

Ok so I'm like 95% sure this is the games themselves. Smash Bros 64 has 2 frames of input lag with frame buffering enabled and 1 frame of input lag with it disabled. This is just as low or probably lower than hardware.

These games are just poorly optimized and choppy garbage. A lot of these 30fps games have way worse input lags than from framerate alone (for example, Spiderman in 30fps has like 60ms more than 60fps)

For example, even on PS5, one 60fps game can have 33ms of input lag, another game has 55, another game has 115, another game has 125, and a 30fps game has 190. see https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/m020e3/dualsense_wired_vs_wireless_latency_comparison/

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 15:12:56 2021 No.8190732 >>8190659 My N64 has 1-2 frames of internal lag on my CRT. 150ms is unplayable, so believe me it's nothing near that. Please play a real N64 if you want to see for yourself.

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 15:13:14 2021 No.8190734

Ok so I'm like 95% sure this is the games themselves. Smash Bros 64 has 2 frames of input lag with frame buffering enabled and 1 frame of input lag with it disabled. This is just as low or probably lower than hardware.

These games are just poorly optimized and choppy garbage. A lot of these 30fps games have way worse input lags than from framerate alone. For example, even on PS5, one 60fps game can have 33ms of input lag, another game has 55, another game has 115, another game has 125, and a 30fps game has 190. The same game in 60fps has 60ms lower input lag than at 30fps. see https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/m020e3/dualsense_wired_vs_wireless_latency_comparison/

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 15:14:17 2021 No.8190738

>>8190732
It depends on the game you dumb tard. I just watched a YouTube video of N64 on CRT and Mario 64 had like 5-6 frames (@60) which is consistent with Mupen64. Smash Bros however only has 2 frames even on emulator and even with emulate frame buffering enabled

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 15:15:32 2021 No.8190742 >>8190738 Which game are you saying has 150ms of lag? Zelda? Cause you're wrong there too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 15:16:59 2021 No.8190751 >>8190738 >I just watch a youtube video Fuck off, that's not a reasonable amount of experience to use in judging a creator's work. Play the real game on the real console and then you can have a valid opinion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 15:18:32 2021 No.8190758 >>8190751 It's just video games relax man

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 15:40:15 2021 No.8190812 >>8190738 >I just watched a YouTube video of N64 on CRT and Mario 64 had like 5-6 frames (@60) How in the fuck did you conclude this from a youtube video?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 15:58:36 2021 No.8190854 >>8190812 It's a high framerate slow motion recording of the screen you moron

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 15:59:07 2021 No.8190856 >>8190854 Do you see the guy's hands too?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:02:17 2021 No.8190867 >>8190856 Yes... do you not know how these videos work? It's a recording of a button press with the CRT in the background with a high framerate camera. It was an N64, N64 controller, and CRT. Still 5-6 frames (game inherent)

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:10:35 2021 No.8190881 >>8190867 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY0_WKPBC48 This looks like two frames to me.

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:17:21 2021 No.8190889

I can confirm that OoT (and Majora's Mask for that matter) has a lot of input lag even on real hardware. I didn't notice it when I was a kid, but I played it later on an emulator and was struck by the input lag, and I was wondering if it was the emulator or what. I booted it up on my N64 hooked up to my CRT, and there it was, clear as day.

So yeah, some N64 games really are like that, emulated or not.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:20:20 2021 No.8190897 >>8190889 >I can confirm that OoT (and Majora's Mask for that matter) has a lot of input lag even on real hardware I don't believe it. Those games are really responsive despite running at 20FPS.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:20:24 2021 No.8190898 >>8190458 He's lying, the PAL version ran fine on original hardware.

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:23:51 2021 No.8190908

>>8190897
It still works, mind you. I never had any issues playing it then, and I certainly do not now. But try it out yourself. Do something really simple, like swing your sword or hell, just flick the analog stick to turn around. You'll notice it's not instantaneous.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:36:28 2021 No.8190937 File: 62 KB, 849x765, IMG_0843.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8190898 >the PAL version ran fine on original hardware Yeah, with crisp choppy frames.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:41:22 2021 No.8190949 >>8190881 The video isn't slowed so you can't tell. In the other video you can literally see the roll of each new frame to count

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:43:48 2021 No.8190958 >>8190949 >you can literally see the roll of each new frame to count How do you know it was captured at 60FPS?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:47:24 2021 No.8190965 >>8190908 Nope you're wrong. There's no lag on mine

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:50:25 2021 No.8190980 >>8189435 fpbp

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:51:32 2021 No.8190982 >>8190958 The CRT scanline you moron. You can literally see and count each individual frame by the scanline It was captured at 120 or 240fps because 60fps isn't enough for these tests

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:53:00 2021 No.8190987 >>8190982 >60fps isn't enough for these tests Why not? Just count the amount of frames from the time the button was pressed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 16:59:35 2021 No.8191006 >>8190987 You're an idiot. A 240fps video did just that. It's 5-6 frames in Mario 64 on original hardware

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 17:04:31 2021 No.8191024

>>8190965
Three things here. First, you're a retard. Second, on every platform in existence different games and different actions in games have (sometimes massively) different input lag. Third, even with literally zero input lag which is impossible, 20fps will always have up to 50ms input lag just due to framerate (and much, much more in reality)

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 17:07:11 2021 No.8191035 >>8191006 I don't think you're counting frames correctly.

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 17:30:50 2021 No.8191125

>>8191035
Frames should be measured in 60fps standard (60Hz display output). You can literally see the rolling scanline of each new refresh on the CRT TV in the video. Just counting game frames when some games run at 20, some at 30, and some at 60 is not very useful for comparisons.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 17:31:48 2021 No.8191131 >>8191125 >You can literally see the rolling scanline of each new refresh on the CRT TV in the video Which video? It takes way more than 240FPS to see the rolling scanline.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 17:32:24 2021 No.8191132 >>8191024 ok dude I get it you hate the n64 blah blah Now go away so sick of these sony guys coming in for no reason. You never see the reverse

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 17:32:57 2021 No.8191140 >>8191131 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTmJzfd5kEU

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 17:33:50 2021 No.8191146 >>8191140 You literally can't see the rolling scanline in that video. You can see the refresh rate not matching the camera but that doesn't tell you shit.

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 17:35:12 2021 No.8191156

>>8191132
PS1 has a lot of input lag in most games too just like N64 (mostly because they run at 30fps), but at least you can use run-ahead with Beetle PSX. N64 is definitely the worst offender with some of its games, particularly with how poor their framerates are.

However, some games like Smash 64 have insanely low input latency (2 frames vs. 12 in OoT), so it really just seems like a game issue.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 17:35:37 2021 No.8191158 5th gen babies are really sensitive

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 17:36:36 2021 No.8191163 >>8191132 >>8191156 The psx is better though. Way better library and games

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 17:38:48 2021 No.8191180 >>8191163 Yeah that's probably true. I have a lot of nostalgia for the N64, but the library is honestly really sparse. Genesis and SNES had way bigger and better libraries than either N64 or PS1 though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 17:39:52 2021 No.8191185 >>8191180 so you admit the psx is objectively better? I can't imagine being a nintendrone

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 17:40:43 2021 No.8191192 File: 15 KB, 882x758, wojakhand.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] original hardware chads... it looks like we got too cocky... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qys9sdzJKI

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 17:50:18 2021 No.8191235

>>8191185
why are you trying to start a console war? I am the farthest thing from a Nintendrone. I hate the company, I hate their practices, I hate their gimmicks, and I hate how they just rehash the same games for decades straight.

I have some nostalgia for N64 because I grew up with it even though the library is small and not that great, although that's the fifth gen in general where you had a lot of abomination games due to devs experimenting with early 3D. Personally I don't think either PS1 or N64 had strong libraries, especially compared to the gen prior.

Nintendo consoles do have some good exclusives though. I like their library of games, but they just ruin it with gouged prices, anticonsumer practices, shitty hardware, and gimmicky controller trash. The GCN was the last good system from them (or the DS if you include handhelds). I've gamed mostly on PS consoles up until this gen.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 17:54:02 2021 No.8191250 >>8191235 What's your issue with nintendo? They seem like the only ones doing good in this industry

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 17:56:04 2021 No.8191258 >>8191235 You're just being biased. Nintendo is far better as a company compared to other hardware manufacturers. Sony has always been such a cynical cold company with little in the way of innovation. I miss Sega

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 17:56:52 2021 No.8191264 File: 353 KB, 2000x1000, switchonline.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8191250 >they seem like the only ones doing good in this industry fucking kek

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 17:57:51 2021 No.8191267 >>8191264 I think that speaks more about the state of the industry than nintendo

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 01:09:46 2021 No.8192497 >>8189437 Based

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 01:11:04 2021 No.8192498 >>8191258 kys

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 03:18:59 2021 No.8192707 >>8189425 I wish more controllers had B being to the upper left of A like on the N64.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 09:40:51 2021 No.8193119 File: 24 KB, 600x601, 5E2CA4C8-6E9F-4DF6-B3BF-AE758A64BD53.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8189607

Anonymous Fri Oct 1 09:55:22 2021 No.8193153

>>8191258
>nes
Ugly colors and poor hardware design, requiring mapper chips to do the things other systems of its era could.
>snes
Released late, bloated with features, slower than genesis and even pce, and a lot pricier than both as well.
>n64
The garbage console with only a handful of good games, literally destroyed nintendo's credibility.
>gamecube
Mediocre console that didnt do anything noteworthy. Got held down by the low capacity of the mini dvd and the horrid controller design. Lost horribly to ps2 and the newcomer xbox.
>wii
A gimmicky console thats almost as weak as the generation of console before it. Succeeded because it was appealing for the lowest common denominator.
>wii u
Soulless, underpowered, even more gimmicky sequel to the wii.
>soitch
Need i say more?

>>8191267
>It's okay when nintendo does it.
Indie company preasu undelstando.

>>8191267

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 15:01:10 2021 No.8193842 >>8193153 B8

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