Obscure systems

[Anonymous No.818547]

There's tons of obscure systems that I never played. I'm wondering if there's any great exclusive games for them, or if there are games that their their superior version on these consoles. A few of the consoles I'm talking about:

>PC-FX
>Neo Geo Pocket Color
>Atari Lynx
>Atari Jaguar
>Virtual Boy
>WonderSwan Color
>Amiga and other JP home computers

I hadn't even heard of the PC-FX until recently.

[Anonymous No.818552]

>>818547

And of course, emulation help. I ain't going to be spending a thousand dollars ordering these obscure things from ebay.

Mednafen plays most of these systems. What else do you recommend?

[Anonymous No.818563]

The PC-FX version of Pia Carrot is notable for being fully voiced without censoring the sex scenes.
It's also the only fan translated game on the system that I know of.

[Anonymous No.818569]

>>818547
>Amiga and other JP home computers
>implying the Amiga even had a presence in Japan
Uh, the Amiga was even less popular in Japan than in the US. Amiga was mostly a Euro thing.
US Amiga fan here ;_;

[Anonymous No.818567]

>>818563

It also adds some anime cutscenes in the beginning.

PC-FX has some nice exclusives, but most of the good games have ports on Saturn or PSX, except maybe Zenki.

[Anonymous No.818576]

>>818547
>>PC-FX

90% FMV games

[Anonymous No.818579]

>>818547

PC-FX was a failure in Japan and did not exist in the west.

[Anonymous No.818583]

Bought myself a neo geo pocket color, loving the fighting games. I just have a problem with it starting up, how come it ,most of the times, will enter the system options instead of the game?

[Anonymous No.818584]

>>818547

Neo Geo CD

What is this specifically? Is it just CD version of the Neo Geo? Any original exclusive games?

[Anonymous No.818587]

>>818563
Is there a way to emulate it? Tried it but could only find a 5 min timed emulator and the game didnt even start
for research ofcourse

[Anonymous No.818591]

>>818587

Mednafen has a core for PC-FX. Mednafen however lacks a front-end, so it can be a bit of a chore to use. There is a Libretro port for Retroarch in the works, but no clue when that will be released.

[Anonymous No.818592]

>>818587

MagicEngineFX and Mednafen are your best choices. Just use Mednafen for PC-FX, is a lot better than MagicEngine.

[Anonymous No.818594]

>>818592
>MagicEngineFX

I refuse to even pirate their emulators. Paid emulators are pure bullshit, and I will not use them out of principle.

[Anonymous No.818595]

>Amiga and other JP home computers
>Amiga
>japanese
what?
The Amiga was made by Commedore, and isn't even very obscure

[Anonymous No.818598]

>>818594
I see pirating them as giving them the digital middle finger

[Anonymous No.818596]

>>818595

Well, that just shows you. I know shit about 80's and 90's PCs.

[Anonymous No.818601]

>>818587
So far I've managed to emulate the game itself in Mednafen but it refuses to load the patched ROM.

[Anonymous No.818603]

>>818584
Basically, yup. Also had horrible loading times.
For exclusives, it had maybe 7 or 8, but they're either YetAnotherNeoGeoFightingGame or not very good.

[Anonymous No.818607]

>>818601
may be a problem with the rom or patch it's self, some patches need unheadered roms

[Anonymous No.818613]

>>818579
>PC-FX was a failure in Japa
I thought it was actually rather popular considering it's goals, if I remember right it was never aiming for a huge market in the first place

[Anonymous No.818617]

>>818607
I'm dumb and forgot that the PC-FX ran on CDs, in that case, you may have patched it incorrectly, or used a wrong format, check to make sure you are using the CD archive format it says to use.

[Anonymous No.818621]

>>818607
The problem is a checksum failure. I either need a better patching program or a workaround for the emulator, I just haven't looked that deep into it.

[Anonymous No.818625]

>>818613
>I thought it was actually rather popular considering it's goals, if I remember right it was never aiming for a huge market in the first place

It was supposed to replace the PC Engine, so it was a failure, the PC Engine was actually a big hit in Japan.

[Anonymous No.818630]

>>818625
It also has the only successful CD addon. IIRC, it's also the first CD addon for a console.

[Anonymous No.818632]

>>818613
It could have turned into the prime platform for girl games as a successor to the PC-98 instead of Windows 9x.

[Anonymous No.818634]

>>818632
>PC-98

More obscure JP computers. Any emulators for those?

[Anonymous No.818638]

>>818634
What old system doesn't have emulators? Even stuff like Vectrex or Magnavox Odyssey that are technically incompatible to a normal design have emulators.

[Anonymous No.818647]

>>818634

Yes, most japanese computers have emulators, PC-98, FM-TOWNS, X68000, you name it.

[Anonymous No.818669]

>>818594

>mfw they're still charging for Magic-Engine & Magic-Engine FX a decade later despite based, free Mednafen existing.

I'm surprised their homepage even gets updates.

[Anonymous No.818678]

>>818625
Hudson's help with the PC-Engine was one of the main reasons why it became so huge in Japan, with impressive hardware at the time, plus one of the only succesful CD-ROM addons.

However, with Hudson out of the picture, NEC decided to make the PC-FX while focusing on FMVs(which at this point nobody gave a shit about) instead of 3D capabilities. It did find a suitable niche market with its FMVs though, but failed to impess in genres the PC Engine excelled in.

In the end, NEC just didn't cut it as far as making consoles goes, and this goes back further than the PC-FX. They also made a lot of failed PC-Engine models like the terrible PC Engine Shuttle and the gravely undersupported SuperGrafx. In the end, they just called it a day after the PC-FX died.

[Anonymous No.818720]

>>818617
The patcher says it needs bin+cue and that it correctly applied the patch.
I haven't tried to burn it though.

[Anonymous No.818726]

>>818678
>However, with Hudson out of the picture

They actually had some Hudson's support on the PC-FX, but NEC changed plans a lot and they ended up scrapping every project until they had to release something and they just rushed the PC-FX which was already old for that time.

[Anonymous No.818734]

>>818547

I want that controller.

[Anonymous No.818742]

>>818678
The 3D capabilities of the other consoles in the era were pretty poor. I don't think leaving them out completely was a bad decision from a technical viewpoint though they obviously lost to the hype train.

[Anonymous No.818749]

>>818669
to be honest, it has the best built in interface of any emulator ever, wish some of the non-pay ones would take a que from them

[Anonymous No.818859]

How is X68000 emulation in terms of accuracy?

[Anonymous No.818883]

>>818583
Banged up by past owner? I have a similar issue with mine, and a short temper with inanimate objects.

[Anonymous No.819013]

>>818634
NP2 and its various forks handle the PC98 fairly well.
The only one that seems to get audio right in most cases is a closed source fork, NP2fmgen.
Link's too long, shortened hits the spam filter, and spoiling may or may not work. So image.

[Anonymous No.819035]

>>818547
Iron Soldier on Jaguar was a lot of fun, I thought. I'm kicking myself for not buying the CD addon years ago when it was only $50 on eBay.

[Anonymous No.819231]

>>819035

neat.

[Anonymous No.820253]

>Unlike nearly any other console (except for the 3DO and CD-i), the PC-FX was also available as an internal PC card for NEC PC-98 and AT/IBM PC compatibles. This PC card came with two CDs of software to help the user program games for the PC-FX. However, compatibility issues prevented games developed with this software from actually running on the console.

[Anonymous No.820261]

>>818547
>Amiga and other JP home computers
You are completely clueless. And the only place Amiga could be considered obscure is Japan in the 80s. Actually Amiga is not an obscure system at all, it was one of the most common gaming platforms in Europe in late 80s and early 90s and has bigger library of games then most mainstream consoles.

[Anonymous No.820363]

>>818720
They removed the option to disable error correction in 0.9.19 for some reason. Go get 0.9.18 or older and add this to the config file.
cdrom.lec_eval 0

[Anonymous No.820387]

>>820363
> It's not going to be re-added, it's a bad setting that promotes the propagation of broken patches and broken patched games, that will likely not function properly when burned to disc and played on the real thing(or may work with some burners and some burning software, and not others).
They're basically trying to tell the patch maker(s) to fix it. Which is probably a good idea, but I doubt they care.

[Anonymous No.820403]

>>818547
For the Atari Jaguar, there is Alien vs Predator. Good first person shooter. Tempest is your best bet for emulation.

Amiga had games like Gloom, Alien Breed 3D (1 and 2), Behind The Iron Gate, and a good amount of other first person shooters. WinUAE is your best bet for emulation.

[Anonymous No.820684]

>>820363
Thanks for the tip.
I had tried 0.8.1 but that caused other problems.

[Anonymous No.820691]

>>820684
They had a patch in 0.8.4 or something that supposedly fixed most of those. But who knows. Latest working version is most likely best.
I wonder if the libretro port will have that checking removed. That would be nice.

[Anonymous No.820706]

>>818859
it's not a very popular system to emulate, and accuracy wasn't even a priority among emulation developers until rather recently, so probably not very

[Anonymous No.820726]

>>820706
early PCs are very straightforward devices to emulate, I doubt accuracy is an issue at all.

[Anonymous No.820737]

>>820726
the person asked how accurate they were though, not if it was would be an issue to worry about.

[Anonymous No.820785]

>>820737
Does 'accuracy' matter when it runs everything perfectly?

[Anonymous No.820792]

>>820785
>perfectly
Come on now. Let's not misuse that word.

[Anonymous No.820818]

>>820792
You're too used to common console emulators. PC emulators are a different story because of the common processors they all used and can be called perfect with confidence.

[Anonymous No.820820]

>>820706
Is there any reason to emulate it in the first place? The FM Towns was the superior machine so it would only matter for exclusives.

[Anonymous No.820825]

>>820785
I thought that if it played perfectly, it would have to be accurate. Have I been misunderstanding this term when used in emulation? Any ways, there is no such thing as perfect emulation, because if it were perfect, it would be with the original consoles, and every game would work perfectly. There is always room for improvement.

[Anonymous No.820834]

>>820818
Nothing that actually exists can be called perfect. It is a word for concepts and concepts alone.
Not having enhancements alone would be enough to make it imperfect for many uses. Not being ported to a wrist watch would make it imperfect for that use. Not forcing a perfect fullscreen resolution to that of the original console would make it imperfect for some as well.

[Anonymous No.820838]

>>820825
There's an 'accurate' GBA emulator who's name I forget but it's more accurate than current GBA emulators, but it can only play very few games.

Accuracy does not mean playable. And yes there is such thing as perfect emulation for these older computers, that's why clones and PC cards that had a hardware abstraction layer to allow one platform's games on another existed in those times.

[Anonymous No.820842]

>>820825
For DOS you are practically better off using emulation than the real deal. Configuration could be a pain in the ass back in the day and emulation eliminates most of it.

[Anonymous No.820850]

>>820834
'accurate' in that all past and future software will run with confidence because these emulators simulate all the needed components without fault.

[Anonymous No.820853]

>>820834
>semantics

[Anonymous No.820857]

>>820838
Incorrect. It is not as accurate as other emulators outside of specific areas. Accuracy in one part does not match functionality in many, but accuracy in just as many surpasses that.
That's a common misconception about most of Higan's cores.

They are often of entirely different architectures, like PPC, MIPS, and shit. Just like consoles. Whether or not you could use a hardware layer between two PPC based machines is irrelevant on x86.

>>820850
And such accuracy takes power. Which makes it imperfect for lower end devices.
Situational perfection is not perfection. It's an oxymoron.

[Anonymous No.820864]

>mfw all those systems fell into obscurity for a reason

[Anonymous No.820867]

>>820857
>he thinks that accuracy needs power
You're still thinking in console mode. These are older home computers which are different.

[Anonymous No.820872]

>>820857
It's either x86 or m68k/PPC for computers from the mid-80s onward.

[Anonymous No.820875]

>>820867
Not true. It depends on the layer of accuracy. Circuit accuracy for example, nukes Pong's performance.
There's no console mode to think in. Different hardware uses different instruction sets, which may or may not be directly translatable, and may or may not allow taking shortcuts effectively for performance.

[Anonymous No.820880]

>>820872
>PPC
>x86
>mid 80's
No. Either m68k or Z80

[Anonymous No.820883]

>>820880
IBM PC, PC-98 and FM Towns used x86.

[Anonymous No.820884]

>>820880
>onward
But yeah, Z80 too. And often at different clockrates with different software quirks and shit.

[Anonymous No.820910]

>>820880
>no x86
You do realize that x86 is binary compatible all the way back to the 8086 (released 1978), and that processor can trace its lineage back to the 8008 (1972)?
Also, don't forget the 6502.

[Anonymous No.820921]

The Pioneer Laseractive because... well, that thing just looks pretty awesome.

I'd totally buy one someday.

[Anonymous No.820951]

>>820910
What was the last 8 bit computer to be introduced? The C64 was produced until the mid-90s so it was probably the last in that regard.

[Anonymous No.821000]

>>820921
I came

[Anonymous No.821007]

>>820921
Its design reminds me of my old TV. Piece of shit with VHS built in and RF cable only.
Does it have any enjoyable games?

[Anonymous No.821039]

it would be really cool if someone made a cartridge-like file storage device for the pc.

like blank cds, but cartridges, and a usb-connected device that you could insert them into.

i know it's more or less pointless, but i miss cartridges, and it'd be cool to put my pc games and emulated games on carts.

i bet it would sell.

[Anonymous No.821047]

>>821007
I'm not sure about the games themselves, they're mostly laserdisc-based ones I never heard about. Might be cool.

It also had adapters to play Genesis/Turbografx games, as you can see in the pic.

[Anonymous No.821067]

Whats up guys? NGPC fag here. One of my favorite handhelds of all time. Though I do realize why it failed.

[Anonymous No.821069]

>>821047
Doesn't it look great?

Too bad it failed spetacularly.

[Anonymous No.821105]

>>821069
Were LD-Rom faster than CD-Rom?

[Anonymous No.821161]

>>821105
I have no idea, you'll have to look that up.

[Anonymous No.821192]

>>821069
It's pretty much a rich man's Sega Genesis/CD + TG-16 if you can find the expansion modules. Sounds like it would be extremely nice to own one of these beasts but then you remember that the complete package is so expensive that you are really better off just getting the individual consoles instead.

[Anonymous No.823505]

Daily bump.

[Anonymous No.823513]

>>820253
>However, compatibility issues prevented games developed with this software from actually running on the console.

haha

[Anonymous No.823515]

PC-FX's Zenki game is my favourite beat'm up along with Panzer Bandit (probably along with Vanillaware games or Guardian Heroes if I had the possibility to play 'em).

[Anonymous No.823524]

>>820261
It was pretty well supported in the US for a while as well

[Anonymous No.823536]

>>821069
enjoy having your games on discs the size of a jumbo pizza

[NeoGeo Collector No.823915]

>>823515


I bought Zenki back in 2002 when it wasnt that expensive (a steal thanks too the sales clerks mistake though!)


imo its rather a mediocre side-brawler and cant live up to its name/price tag.


I also started playing Pia Carrot but got bored after a while :(


still on the hunt for Tokimeki Card Paradise.

[Anonymous No.824453]

>>823915
Holy shit fuck you man.
How much did it cost you? Where did you even get it? How did you know about this game on fucking 2002? damn ur hardcore m8.

I love it because It's basically a boss-rush (which I've always found to be an interesting concept for a whole videogame and not just an extra mode), it has beautiful graphics and It's short enough. I'm not really into beat'm ups (I get bored in most of them after 10 minutes), but this one really appeals to me because it isn't similar to any other beat'm up I've seen.

[Anonymous No.824782]

>>824453

I piad about 20$....lol I know - sales clerk in Akihabara had mistakenly put another PC-FX games price tag on it and was too stupid to check the name on the box with the title in the computer system.


It's not bad - but I didnt really have that much fun compared to SNK or Capcom brawlers..

[Anonymous No.825073]

>>824782
wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
only copy on eBay right now sells for 500+ and it's the only copy i've seen being sold on eBay since I discovered the game a year ago.
lucky bastard.

can i live in japan and get cool prices like that too? :3

[Anonymous No.825098]

>>820261
>the only place Amiga could be considered obscure is anywhere outside Yuropoorland

[Anonymous No.825120]

>>821067
>same exact neo geo pocket color I have

I ordered some fighting games for mine since it came with just bust a move pocket. I never really liked puzzle games but I'm somehow addicted to it

[Anonymous No.825210]

>>825120
The NGP BaM is pretty easy/forgiving. I suspect to make up for the small screen. But there are some absolutely crazy shots you can pull of that you'd never be able to do in the original.

[Trevor 1461-6217-0459 No.825219]

>>825120
Get Match of the Millennium and Gals Fighters. They are fucking great. Metal Slug is also gold.

[Anonymous No.825928]

I just watched this video of some guy showcasing his PC-FX:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvXZr8JPVfQ
dammit, now I want one of these. I'm not into full-blown VNs much, but I love how all the games seem to have tons of voiced dialogue and anime cut scenes. I'd probably buy one if these were going for more sane prices. Seems to look MUCH better on a proper TV than on emulators from what I've seen.
One game I'm particularly curious about is Battle Heat:
http://www.mobygames.com/game/pc-fx/battle-heat
In the reviews I've seen it gets a lot of praise, but I have a hard time believing this is actually a workable system, rather than just something one might play 10 minutes for the novelty and then get bored with it. I really need to try it out on emulator when I have time.

Also, the 2ch PC-FX emulator thread:
http://anago.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/software/1330839369/
PC-FX General:
http://kohada.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/game90/1307049462/

[NeoGeo Collector No.826095]

>>825928


Battle Heat is not really good. you can play it like said for the novelty, but that wears off rather quick.