Which version of MGS1 should I play?

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Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:04:28 2021 No.8179430 [Reply] [Original]

Which version of MGS1 should I play?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:05:31 2021 No.8179431 >>8179430 The original game is the only version of Metal Gear Solid. The Twin Snakes is a different, worse thing. Play the original on Playstation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:06:49 2021 No.8179436 File: 36 KB, 700x480, 1595400957791.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] the good one, also known as the original.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:09:15 2021 No.8179439 Original, and I say that as someone who owns Twin Snakes. Some of the controls feel outdated but it's a wild ride the whole way through.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:09:30 2021 No.8179440 >>8179430 Twin snakes is fantastic and adds more. Wtf are these ps1 only idiots going on about?? I've played both. GC twin snakes was great

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:10:10 2021 No.8179442 >>8179440 The """woman""" with no taste

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:10:57 2021 No.8179443 >>8179440 forgot to add, im trans btw

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:13:46 2021 No.8179450 >>8179430 Original has 10x better atmosphere and music.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:18:48 2021 No.8179459 >>8179430 Not that cubie garbage

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:22:59 2021 No.8179468 >>8179443 Based

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 00:25:18 2021 No.8179476 >>8179468 and redpilled (the red pills are estrogen)

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 01:07:41 2021 No.8179570

>>8179430
PSX version will always be the definitive version.

PC version is a shitty port with a lot of missing features, poorly-implemented controls, and no widescreen support. I guess saving anywhere is kind of neat but might as well just use emulator savestates.

Gamecube remake is a totally different animal, fun game in its own right but definitely not a replacement for the original.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 01:28:37 2021 No.8179613

Original has better visual style, atmosphere and acting (for some reason TS was re-recorded). Twin Snakes is just a technologically superior version. Do original for your first playthrough at minimum, and if you skip all cutscenes on replays consider going over to TS since you'll only be missing out on the better color grading of the original at that point and reaping other improvements.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 01:32:34 2021 No.8179620

>>8179613
>for some reason TS was re-recorded
Thanks to improvements in sound hardware, if you played the PS1 audio in the GC you would be able to pick up background sound from the recording that you couldn't hear on the PS1 making it basically unusable.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 01:46:14 2021 No.8179637

The original is great and a perfect follow up to the MSX games. If you liked those, this is a no-brainer.
Twin Snakes is more polished from a gameplay perspective and the minor changes in cutscenes fit more in line with the rest of the Solid series.

With that being said, every game following Solid assumes you've played the original over Twin Snakes and any nostalgic call-backs will focus on it.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 02:16:48 2021 No.8179713

the PS1 game is """"canon"""" if that matters, and it's generally better designed, though it shows its age.
twin snakes on gamecube copies over mechanics from MGS2 like the tranquilizer and first person aiming. the game isn't adjusted to compensate for this, though, so certain sections - especially bosses - are a lot easier.
the really controversial thing with twin snakes is the cutscene director, filmmaker Ryuhei Kitamura (Godzilla: Final Wars, Lupin the 3rd). he directs it like a wire fu movie, completely out of place with the 007 meets Die Hard story.
ps1 is preferred, but if you just hate the controls, you can switch over without missing much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 05:22:04 2021 No.8179963 >>8179713 >he directs it like a wire fu movie, completely out of place with the 007 meets Die Hard story. It is however in place with the bullshit the series became known for later, funnily enough.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 05:27:38 2021 No.8179969 >>8179450 ah yes, warping, blocky textures is 10x better atmosphere than objects you can actually make out on screen

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 07:31:38 2021 No.8180178 >>8179430 The PC version

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 08:49:37 2021 No.8180403 File: 2.93 MB, 960x540, 1620633856752.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Stay away from TS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:41:55 2021 No.8180725 >>8180403 >WTF IS THAT BAWHAHAHAHA

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:42:08 2021 No.8180726 play the PSX original

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:54:29 2021 No.8180763 >>8180403 That's pretty fucking funny tho

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 10:54:32 2021 No.8180765

>>8179430
Play the Original.
I love the Twin Snakes, but it's not exactly a "remake" in the traditional sense.
It's not so much the new mechanics as it is the game's strange attempts to be meta where it shouldn't be. It sorta assumes you were already familiar with the original, and turns a few scenes into complete jokes devoid of any punchline unless you've seen how they were played in the original version.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 11:58:42 2021 No.8180939 >>8179430 obviously the original, OP

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 11:59:53 2021 No.8180943 >>8180403 That's not even the most retarded scene in the game. Post the one where Snake jumps upside down over a door to spy on Ocelot and Liquid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 12:18:59 2021 No.8180983 >>8180943 missiles, dude. riding fucking missiles. that scene alone is more retarded than 80% of animes

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 12:26:18 2021 No.8181002 ITT: boomers who hate fun

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 12:27:32 2021 No.8181005 >>8179969 Not him but yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 12:27:35 2021 No.8181006 File: 8 KB, 259x195, 1612768513519.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8181002

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 12:41:21 2021 No.8181026 >>8179442 The "nigger" with no education

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 13:14:54 2021 No.8181089

It honestly depends on what you’re looking for

The original is a bit dated with its controls but is still a very high quality game
The twin snakes adds in features from MGS2 like first person aiming and tranq darts (IIRC you basically just had to beat the shit out of guards to take them out silently in the original). It also completely redoes the cutscenes, cranking up the insanity to 11. Scenes which were fairly grounded in the original become insane over the top Matrix shit.
So just pick what you want

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:24:26 2021 No.8181783 >>8179430 There is nothing wrong with twin snakes. It's not the superior version but it's the modern one, so I don't see any reason to play the original over this one. For VR missions you want to play the actual VR game.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:31:03 2021 No.8181814

>>8179440
>Twin snakes is fantastic and adds more.
They added the first-person view and the silencer gun that completely breaks the difficulty and trivializes the whole experience because they didn't change the level design to account for the new mechanics. The cutscenes are dumb as fuck, and not in a Kojima-sort of way, the voice acting and music is inferior, and the overall atmosphere is lacking, because Shadow Moses looks way too clean now. Twin Snake sucks ass.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:37:02 2021 No.8181835

Play the original first, just for purist's sake.
But don't write off Twin Snakes, it's good for revisiting the game and you can actually fuck around more with it than with the original since it has MGS2 mechanics, so there's more options, better enemy AI too. Don't pay attention to the anti-TTS shitposters, they're just console warriors/brand loyalists who don't like MGS on Nintendo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:38:25 2021 No.8181840 >>8179430 Play the original on PS1 or PS3, or play the PC port. Watch the cutscenes from Twin Snakes on YouTube after you beat the game

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:46:43 2021 No.8181869

>>8181835
>Don't pay attention to the anti-TTS shitposters, they're just console warriors/brand loyalists who don't like MGS on Nintendo
That isn't the case at all. The new cutscenes absolutely ruin the experience. It takes it from a cool little story to some over-the-top low budget 80s action movie bullshit. No, MGS is not "realistic" but still, Snake doing a backflip off of a missile somehow manages to come off as far more ridiculous than mind reading psychics and nanomachines ever did. And the entire game is full of moments like that.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:48:48 2021 No.8181873

>>8181869
So cutscenes are more important than being able to get more gameplay options to fuck around with?
Anyway, the director of the cutscenes was one of Kojima's favorite japanese film directors, if you don't like them, blame Kojima.
I don't care about cutscenes anyway, I like being able to have more options to fuck around with the guards in TTS, on original MGS it's still too basic, I'd rather play pac-man.
But still I recommend playing original first, because it is the original, but I don't recommend skipping TTS if you liked the original.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:51:33 2021 No.8181885

>>8181873
Metal Gear as a whole is a very story-driven series, so I feel a lot more strongly about them mucking with the story elements for the remake than I would for a typical game. For someone who truly doesn't care at all about the story, then Twin Snakes is fine. But I think the gameplay alone isn't enough to make MGS interesting. It's a good game, but it's strength to me was always the storytelling.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:54:05 2021 No.8181892 >>8181885 hmm, well, even the original MGS is still pretty campy and cheesy. TTS is more over-the-top but it's not like the original was some fellini movie either, kojima is just a hollywood fanatic and MGS was based on pretty standard action flicks.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:58:07 2021 No.8181904

>>8181892
I certainly agree that the original is campy and cheesy too, but Twin Snakes really ramps it up. There is a certain point where too much cheese is a bad thing. MGS2 comes dangerously close to that point but doesn't quite cross it, IMO. Twin Snakes crosses it and then some.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:00:38 2021 No.8181915 >>8181904 Maybe, but again, it was Kojima who picked that director for the cutscenes. I don't think them as a bad thing, just different.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:05:12 2021 No.8181932

Relevant to the thread, is there any particular reason why MGS1 has never been remastered or ported? In the MGS Legacy Collection, all of the games were ported to the PS3, except for MGS1, which you had to download off PSN and play it via an emulator. Did TTS have a clause wherein Nintendo has exclusive rights to all future remakes of MGS1?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:12:41 2021 No.8181960 >>8181932 Pretty sure it boils down to being easy money. An actual port would cost money, whereas with PSN they can just dump the iso on it and let the native emulator take care of the rest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:18:21 2021 No.8181987 >>8181932 I hated that the MSX games in MGS3 HD on legacy don't have a 240p option. I tried playing them on a CRT and you get a small square image instead of full screen. Fuck the HD era, honestly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:21:00 2021 No.8181997 >>8179430 Twin Snakes was made by the Eternal Darkness team, not by Kojima. Play both but don't expect a 1:1 conversion

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:25:43 2021 No.8182015

>>8179430
Bought a GameCube back when this was new just for this game. I loved the original for the PlayStation so was hyped to see it in better graphics. My disappointment was so bad I stopped playing it half way through and never touched it again. The original is a classic, this is pure trash.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 20:33:09 2021 No.8182409 It's fun to play, but the cutscenes are absolute dogshit and ruin the experience as a whole.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 12:50:51 2021 No.8184028 >>8181835 the gameplay additions twin snakes make range from gamebreaking to unnecessary with the original level design. if you want more of mgs2 get substance and play the vr missions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 16:13:41 2021 No.8184626 >>8179430 twin snakes with the original soundtrack mod if you can figure out how the fuck to get it to work and if you do please upload the isos to mega or some shit for me because i cant figure out how the fuck to patch them myself its too complicated

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 16:23:02 2021 No.8184651 >>8180403 >"don't worry I'm gonna choose life too" >he says as he's breaking his fucking neck

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 16:24:49 2021 No.8184657 Twin Snakes aiming is worse than PS1's aiming somehow, I had to Nikita-cheese sniper wolf on TS.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 16:35:39 2021 No.8184684 >>8179430 play both

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 21:27:36 2021 No.8185404 >>8179440 Twin Snakes is great if you pretend that it's Raiden's VR run of the Shadow Moses Incident.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 21:41:25 2021 No.8185443 >>8179430 PS1, period. If you absolutely must try Twin Snakes, at least do so only after you've cleared the original.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 21:50:35 2021 No.8185474 MGS1 vs Twin Snakes is a classic souls/soulless. Although I'd say Twin Snakes is worth playing once, MGS1 has a lot of charm. Even though they don't have much STEALTH GAMEPLAY in that game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 21:54:17 2021 No.8185485 >>8184684 >play both >when one game is a masterpiece and the other actively tries to ruin the original why bother

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 22:12:46 2021 No.8185542 >>8180983 Add: fly kicking a grenade and ending a boss fight ffs

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 22:16:41 2021 No.8185553 >>8180403 Needs some sappy feel good music playing over it

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 22:28:03 2021 No.8185597 >>8179969 yes, actually.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 22:37:08 2021 No.8185624 People are way too opinionated on twin snakes and hold MGS to an undeserved pedestal. Mgs isn't difficult or enough of a stealth game to accuse twin snakes of ruining the 'challenge' Twin snakes is dope.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 22:40:47 2021 No.8185631 >>8179431 fpbp >>8181814 this post is 100% correct

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 00:14:10 2021 No.8185864 File: 18 KB, 382x379, 1553015338100.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] am I the only one who enjoyed Twin Snakes ITT? This was one of the few games I actually prepaid for and picked it up the day it was released and loved every minute of it

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 00:17:35 2021 No.8185873 >>8185864 I enjoy and own twin snakes too. I have no clue why people are hating on it. I own both games physically. Went back and played them back to back I love them.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 01:02:34 2021 No.8186008

>>8181873
Yes. Movie game is a meme but MGS is more than a game. It's an interactive movie really and it's more fun to go on the wild ride Kojima brings you on than to fuck around in maps that weren't made for the utilities you have. All of the bosses in the game get destroyed by the new engine and its just a much weaker overall experience when you're able to just basically kill and fuck around with guards instead of sneaking around

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 01:03:28 2021 No.8186009 >>8186008 So you're saying mgs1 is better than 2

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 01:04:49 2021 No.8186014 >>8186009 MGS 2 is designed around the abilities you have at your disposal, twin snakes isn't.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 01:12:09 2021 No.8186020 >>8186014 So basically you very dislike mgs2. I got your number

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 01:18:35 2021 No.8186029

>>8186020
Sick bait but for clarification for others, the maps in MGS 1 were built around your lack of ability and actual ability to kill people and aim. Your guns are mainly used for bosses and the rest of your utility is for getting around to the next point of the game. In MGS 2 it's different and the maps are more built around taking out guards and navigating each area. They're very different but the whole gameplay of 1 gets fucked with when you get more freedom with 2's abilities. In 1 it's a tactical espionage game that you sneak around and need to avoid engagements more. 2 is way different (and better) but they're just different types of games. 2 designs its bosses and maps around your abilities to give a different experience and so does 1 but when you mix the abilities you have you get a mess like twin snakes because it trivializes all gameplay especially the bosses which are the best part of MGS1 and just gives a very lukewarm experience that some may enjoy but its a far cry from MGS 1

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 01:26:29 2021 No.8186037 >>8186029 I'm not baiting just trying to understand your intentions sorry.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 01:33:33 2021 No.8186060 >>8186029 jesus christ anon go get laid

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 10:23:58 2021 No.8186883 >>8185864 No you're not alone. PSX fags are just that. It's not about twin snakes ruining shit, they seethe their flagship franchise went to nintendo even for a brief moment.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 10:29:55 2021 No.8186895

>>8186029
>In 1 it's a tactical espionage game that you sneak around and need to avoid engagements more
Fuck off. You shoot a guard next to an other guard, drop him in 3 socom shots and the other guard won't react until his mate's body hits the floor, then he will turn around, ask what happens, his mate's body flickers away and he gets back to his business. You can even shoot your gun without a suppressor and not alert anyone as long as he's off screen.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 10:49:11 2021 No.8186961

>>8186895
Not him but MGS1 is obviously designed around sneaking rather than killind tranquilizing. While you can run through it by disposing of everyone, it's not intended that way, unlike MGS2 where it deliberately forces you to tranq your way around in some areas. Also you alert instantly, which is more proof it's intended around not been seen rather than Ramboing your way through it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 10:57:17 2021 No.8186976 >>8179430 >play You won't be doing much in either version. It's a movie

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 10:59:24 2021 No.8186980

>>8186883
You do remember Metal Gear was sort of ported to NES even though they were really bad adaptations of the MSX counterparts? Twin Snakes may have gone to Nintendo later but the thing is Ultra (Konami renamed when they didn't like a title IIRC) did already have MG on Nintendo way before Sony got their hands on it. Just sayin'. If you're disregarding it for Twin Snakes sake that feels kinda wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 12:30:28 2021 No.8187165 PlayStation. Don't even bother with Twin Snakes until after you've played the whole series. It's kind of just a parody of the original.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 13:59:00 2021 No.8187342 >>8186961 Retarded post. Mgs1 is not the game you think it is >>8187165 Nah. Twin snakes is just as good.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 14:01:29 2021 No.8187349 File: 612 KB, 1024x700, thats-debatable.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8186976 >he hasn't attained BIG BOSS rank

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 14:16:24 2021 No.8187394
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>>8187349
not that anon. I have gotten BB in MGS1~4 and Twin Snakes as well. 2 was the hardest by far. I also own Ghost Babel which also has a BB rank, I should get to it at some point.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 14:20:36 2021 No.8187410

My biggest problem with Twin Snakes isn't the new cutscenes because MGS2 established this is a wacky world and TS was just retconning that back in. No, my issue is that you start with maximum health and ammo capacity, instead of getting increases with each boss beaten and thus feeling a sense of progression.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 17:35:26 2021 No.8188017 Play it after playing mgs 1 and 2. Don't listen to the sonyfags telling you is bad, they are still mad for the exclusivity.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 17:43:21 2021 No.8188048 >>8179430 PS1 and then Gamecube.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 17:57:08 2021 No.8188070 >>8187342 It's far more effective in MGS 1 to just sneak around and avoid enemies rather than engage with them. Its the reason why the big boss rank can only be obtained by killing only the bosses and elevator enemies

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 29 17:57:39 2021 No.8188072 >>8185864 You're just hearing echoes of Sony buttblastedness years into the future. Twin snakes is superior. Anyone saying other wise is just spewing npc bullshit.

Anonymous Wed Sep 29 23:39:10 2021 No.8188808

>>8179613
>for some reason
MGS was recorded in someone's fucking apartment basically. Those recordings are unusable nowadays. You'd literally hear cars and shit.

That said, a lot of the acting in Twin Snakes is arguably weaker, but I don't hate all of the decisions. I think the new Gray Fox is okay and sounds crazier at times. Naomi and Mei Ling not having forced as fuck accents is also a plus, and fuck MGS4 but they don't have the accents in that either.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 00:18:01 2021 No.8188869 The one that's not shit simple as

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 01:08:29 2021 No.8188964 >>8179430 If you have to ask your mindset isn't the right one to get into the series

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 02:23:07 2021 No.8189123 >>8179430 All versions are bad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 02:29:45 2021 No.8189146 >>8188964 pseud moment

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 14:38:37 2021 No.8190640 >>8179969 yes

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 14:46:04 2021 No.8190657 >>8185864 I like it, although most of that was because it was was intro to the series. I prefer the original much more if only due to the voice acting, but god I love how TS reduced the backtracking. The pipes in Rex's hanger are fucking amazing.

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 14:52:48 2021 No.8190675

>>8179620
>>8188808
Is there any truth to the whole "you could hear car noises in the old voice recordings" excuse they gave. I read that it was actually due to voice acting union issues, since MGS1 was a non-union project and everyone was forced to be credited under a false name.

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 17:56:27 2021 No.8191262

TS is atrocious in all aspects. It's interesting only as an example of the difference between the more literal translations Kojima wanted, which give us wonderful gibberish like "When death is entreated, the battle is decided", and an overly loose Blaustein localisation which gave us lines like "You must be a real threat in the "Muktuk Eating" contest".

Interestingly, both versions still make the fatal blunder of referring to Dr. Clark (Paramedic) as a man. In Japanese, it's all gender neutral language, I'm surprised Kojimbo didn't fix it.

I do often wonder if the reason for re-recording the whole game didn't actually come from Kojima's tantrum after having MGS1 translated back to Japanese for Integral. Getting the whole cast back to deliver the "correct" script this time? It'd make sense, you can't exactly use the old script's voice acting when the new script is so clearly different.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 18:09:14 2021 No.8191304 >>8180403 Holy shit, I knew Twin Snakes cutscenes were stupid cartoony bullshit, but GOD DAMN, I did not realize just how stupid and cartoony they got. Glad I never never played such a bastardization.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 18:09:33 2021 No.8191305 I wonder what it must have been like when mgs was releasing. I wish I could appreciate these kind of underground games. I'll always be a soulless zoomer though It's not my place to enjoy these games

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 18:10:34 2021 No.8191308 >>8191304 you have a disorder man. The game is good. Stop being such a snob TS and mgs1 are equals. I play them back to back constantly

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 18:14:25 2021 No.8191316 >>8179430 the only people who hate twin snakes are people who played mgs1 too young and it cemented as some deep internal philosophy so anything that makes light of it is offensive to their core. twin snakes is a great game

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 18:21:06 2021 No.8191342 >>8191308 low iq

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 18:22:03 2021 No.8191346 >>8191305 just get good mgs is still awesome

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 18:22:29 2021 No.8191347 >>8191342 nah man that's you for putting MGS1 on such a ridiculous unassailable pedestal. Not even Kojima does that. You're a loser.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 18:23:34 2021 No.8191349 >>8191346 i have no issue with difficulty in old games I just feel like im larping and pining for a world I'll never have. your childhoods were so much better than mine

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 18:38:39 2021 No.8191402 >>8191347 >putting MGS1 on such a ridiculous unassailable pedestal I'm not certain MGS is even in my top 10 favorite games rofl

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 19:10:48 2021 No.8191531

>>8191349
Sounds like typical zoomer retardation. I'd say a good 70% of the stuff I adore was stuff I found well after I became an adult, and a decent proportion is stuff made before I was even born.

Playing Sanic as a kid was fun and all, but the parts of my childhood I'm most fond of are the parts where I built secret bases in the woods and had water fights with neighborhood kids every summer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 21:38:54 2021 No.8191913 >>8180403 Kojima is a hack. This guy just lifted Lain's story and gets praised for it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 21:52:37 2021 No.8191945 >>8179430 Twin Snakes is full of Matrix shit (ex: Snake surfing a missile). Avoid that trash.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 23:00:06 2021 No.8192109 >>8191531 what's the point in finding stuff as an adult? I'll never live your time. I'll never have a chance to live something good

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 23:10:50 2021 No.8192131

>>8192109
I can't tell if you're being ironic or trying to troll, but you almost sound like a troubled kid. In the small case that you are, listen. There are tons of people your age still having fun and exploring older games (and new ones) that aren't preppy assholes. Apply yourself, look at what you have now. There are still woods to travel, mountains to hike, and cities to navigate. And if you're a creative type, be the change you want to be. You see throwbacks all the fucking time. Don't get lost in missed nostalgia. Go out there and find something better.
If I was wrong and you're just some random anon, I'll take the egg on my face. But if you really are someone feeling down, just call me a motherfucker anyways and take care of yourself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 23:36:42 2021 No.8192203 >>8192109 Very true. You can still redeem yourself by putting a shotgun in your mouth. I know you can do it, anon.

Anonymous Thu Sep 30 23:44:02 2021 No.8192219 [DELETED]

>>8192131
There's nowhere to explore in my entire region. I live in a shithole city where everyone fears to go outside and it's not made for people to exist in and there are no woods or mountains near me for hundreds of miles. I'll never be a creative I wasn't born one.
There's nothing better. No improvement. I'm gonna live the rest of my life in regret because I didn't live the same childhood everyone on /vr/ did. I wish I could have been alive for the 80s and 90s.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 23:45:09 2021 No.8192227 Is Twin Snakes really worse or is it just a case of "thing < thing Japan"?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 30 23:46:21 2021 No.8192231 >>8192131 none of the modern throwbacks are good

Anonymous Fri Oct 1 05:57:04 2021 No.8192894

>>8192109
Just develop an unwarranted sense of self-importance because you're listening to 80s pop music instead of modern nigger-bop or something. It's not hard.

Plenty of people have shitty or boring childhoods.

>>8192227
It's really bad. All the cutscenes were done in an over the top martial arts style so you have stuff like Snake backflip kicking away missiles and dodging bullets like Neo. The retranslation is very poor, and the new voice acting is generally awful with not a single performance being an improvement in any way. The first person view ruins a few boss fights, they took out stuff like your life bar getting bigger after every boss, and they added dumb shit like Snake having cat eyes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 10:32:35 2021 No.8193238 >>8179430 the original. as someone who like TTS more you're honestly better off playing the original in that it's easier AND cheaper to get than TTS.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 10:42:41 2021 No.8193257 >>8191347 >Not even Kojima does that. Dunno about that, ground zeroes was being pretty obnoxious about it.

Anonymous Fri Oct 1 10:52:55 2021 No.8193270

>>8193257
yeah i don't get why people thought deja vu was the better exclusive mission in GZ.

the whole thing was basically "hey remember MGS1? did you know that this thing is a call back to MGS1? is that an easter egg referencing MGS1? how much do you know about MGS1?". at least jamias vu tries to randomize who is & isn't a snatcher.

>>8192227
it's easier than the original because it uses the mechanics from MGS2 without redesigning the game around them so you have moments where first person aiming just breaks the game difficulty wise. this is the most valid argument against TTS

the cutscene argument is just retarded as they're pretty inline with the rest of the bullshit that happens in the series from MGS2 onward.

Anonymous Fri Oct 1 11:39:03 2021 No.8193346

>>8193270
>the whole thing was basically "hey remember MGS1?
The whole MGS4 is basically "hey do you guys remember 3?". I understand the callbacks for 1 and 2, but it took sucking off 3 to an insane levels.
And then PW and V kept sucking off 3 as well. I do agree that there is a lot of DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER LIQUID/ PSYCHOMANTIS, but don't downplay the amount of DO YOU REMEMBER BOSS/ VOLGIN/ THAT ONE OCELOT SCENE.
I mean, did we really need yet another fucking Boss AI?
I know you are talking about GZ in this case but let's not pretend like GZ and V shouldn't be lumped together.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 11:41:27 2021 No.8193351 >>8193346 >let's not pretend like GZ and V shouldn't be lumped together. Well it's not like they aren't both called metal gear solid 5.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 12:21:23 2021 No.8193432 >>8179430 Twin snakes turns Otacon into a comedy jobber clown amongst other things. Every change they made is for the worse too, even le graphics.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 12:37:26 2021 No.8193462 >>8193351 Well, it's not any of those really called 5 either.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 12:42:35 2021 No.8193476 >>8193462 made me check

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 14:12:13 2021 No.8193687 >>8180403 >saving otacon

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 14:17:41 2021 No.8193704 >>8190675 That statement came from the voice actors themselves, with David Hayter pushing to get all or most of the PS1 game's voice cast back to redub.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 19:10:38 2021 No.8194496 >>8187342 Twin Snakes is objectively inferior in many ways.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 1 21:10:05 2021 No.8194779 >>8193687 >putting hoe before bro >ever

Anonymous Fri Oct 1 21:15:10 2021 No.8194789

>>8193346
>The whole MGS4 is basically "hey do you guys remember 3?". I understand the callbacks for 1 and 2, but it took sucking off 3 to an insane levels.
like what? the patriots being all of BB's cold war buddies? the sorrow puppet?.

that stuff is small potatoes compared to the fact that you literally revisit shadow moses and spend the whole game fighting the MGS1 bosses again as sexy PTSD ridden supermodels.

>And then PW and V kept sucking off 3 as well. I do agree that there is a lot of DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER LIQUID/ PSYCHOMANTIS, but don't downplay the amount of DO YOU REMEMBER BOSS/ VOLGIN/ THAT ONE OCELOT SCENE.
MGS5 was a direct sequel to PW which was a direct sequel to MGS3 & PO so it would make sense that there'd be callbacks.

that said i do agree that volgin being the man on fire was forced. same goes for psycho mantis being the third boy.

>I mean, did we really need yet another fucking Boss AI?
that was the same boss AI from peace walker. the whole point of that scene was to be one of the many """subtle""" tipoffs that venom wasn't really big boss AKA the twist that anyone with a brain should've realized from the trailers.

>I know you are talking about GZ in this case but let's not pretend like GZ and V shouldn't be lumped together.
never said they shouldn't be but deja vu was pretty obnoxious about MGS1 especially compared to what i mentioned in MGS4

>>8193687
stealth camo was objectively more useful than the infinity bandanna also meryl still leaves snake for johnny.

Anonymous Fri Oct 1 23:11:31 2021 No.8195090

Kitamura originally tried to turn in cutscenes that were at least more subdued/closer to the original game. Kojima basically told him "I didn't hire you for that, I hired you for your crazy bullshit" Everyone always flips out at the missile backflip or the ridiculous side-flip for the launch control room but no one ever mentions goofy shit like Snake flipping out and pulling his gun on Baker

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 00:33:55 2021 No.8195246 I love twin snakes . It's my favorite mgs. Followed by 1. I'm not as into mgs 2 and 3 I only own a psx and a gamecube. Just so I can play mgs in both incarnations

Anonymous Sat Oct 2 00:46:19 2021 No.8195272

>>8181873
>if you don't like them, blame Kojima
I do but i also blame the director. Everything he's made as been idiotic shit,

I see parallels between his retarded cutscenes in TTS and his shitty Godzilla film was so awful it killed the franchise in Japan for over a decade.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 00:49:30 2021 No.8195278 >>8186029 Fuck the other anons this guy gets it and understands why TTS sucks dick

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 00:52:37 2021 No.8195284 >>8195278 nah man chill out

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 00:53:44 2021 No.8195286 >>8195278 >fuck what the other anons say >Agrees with what the other anons say. How did you find it in you to be so brave and hold such a non-controversial opinion?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 00:54:38 2021 No.8195287 >>8190675 Could have been both but I believe them about the sound issues. I think basically the audio quality of those files would have sounded shittier on Gamecube.

Anonymous Sat Oct 2 00:56:22 2021 No.8195297

>>8191262
>Interestingly, both versions still make the fatal blunder of referring to Dr. Clark (Paramedic) as a man. In Japanese, it's all gender neutral language, I'm surprised Kojimbo didn't fix it.
He hadn't pulled that retcon out of his ass yet thats why

Anonymous Sat Oct 2 01:01:01 2021 No.8195313

>>8192109
Nigga you live in a time when its actually possible to play games that I couldnt find when I was a kid because they had come out a couple years earlier. For example you can go on GOG or Steam and get the entire Leisure Suit Larry collection freely when I had to live years of regret because I didnt get it the one time I saw it in a store.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 01:02:31 2021 No.8195315 File: 40 KB, 422x500, pcfront.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8179430 neither

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 01:04:26 2021 No.8195317 >>8195313 you just don't get it

Anonymous Sat Oct 2 01:06:56 2021 No.8195325

>>8194789
>also meryl still leaves snake for johnny
Not to mention the idea that after understanding the horrors of war and realising she wasnt cut out to be a soldier she not only goes back into battle for no reason bit she allows herself to be infected by a nanotechnology which turns her into an efficient uncaring killing machine

Fuck you in the ass Kojima.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 01:07:18 2021 No.8195326 >>8195090 This. People who don't like the action packed cutscenes are pseuds.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 01:08:03 2021 No.8195329 >>8195286 What the other anons replying to that post say dickhead, unless that was just you samefagging

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 01:09:04 2021 No.8195330 >>8195090 Fuck I forgot about that. Yeah Kojima really is retarded

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 01:31:25 2021 No.8195379 >>8195329 oh quit being such a jerk. Imagine splitting hairs and trying to make enemies like this

Anonymous Sat Oct 2 01:37:22 2021 No.8195391

>>8194789
>like what?
You know what, the pose near the grave that happens like 4 times, Eva, Patriots, Sorrow, Boss. Yeah, I know that there is more callbacks to 1, but 4 made "SE Incident" the MOST important shit that ever has happened to humanity. Maybe it's the fact that I love SE so much and the evens happened 70 billion years prior to 4 and that's why it's so forced to me.
Or maybe it's the fact that of course it's Eva the one who "gave birth to two Big Bosses".
I just don't think 3 had any business being as big part of the story as it was compared to 1 and 2.
> it would make sense that there'd be callbacks.
Sure, I get that. Troy Baker cosplaying as Ocelot having that STUPID ASS FUCKING scene where he repeats word for word the whole "dude you can't have engravings on a gun, what are you, a homo?" is still forced for no reason and doesn't make any sense. Volgin shit is j
Ah whatever.
Fuck Kojima, fuck 4, fuck V and fuck jannies as well. Who cares anymore

Anonymous Sat Oct 2 02:28:03 2021 No.8195506

I interpret twin snakes as a fun retelling of mgs. I don't hate it outright and don't understand why people sue the word parody as a negative. Mgs already exists. I like twin snakes too.
As someone who dislikes mgs 2 and 3 I am happy I have two different versions of mgs to enjoy and I don't understand why everyone has such a stick up their ass over mgs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 03:41:09 2021 No.8195607 >>8185404 thought that was ghost babel

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 15:24:16 2021 No.8196926 Now i'm curious, does Twin Snakes run fine on Dolphin?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 15:26:16 2021 No.8196929 Why did they never port MGS2 and MGS3 to the GC?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 15:26:43 2021 No.8196931 The gamecube version isn't canon

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 2 15:31:18 2021 No.8196945 >>8196929 The Gamecube wasn't really making a mark on the market

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