Sega CD

[Anonymous No.8165162]

Was it a failure? Was it a success?
If in your view it was successful, by what metric is that?

[Anonymous No.8165169]

>>8165162
It was successful by producing games of worth, and a decent amount of them.

[Anonymous No.8165174]

>>8165162
I really like the Sega CD. Didn't have one as a kid a relative did thing was cool. Looking back on the games it has. Its got some really great games. If the FMV fad wasn't a thing. It probably woulda had more "good games".

[Anonymous No.8165184]

It had Popful Mail so it's good

[Anonymous No.8165185]

>>8165162
a genuinely compelling product with a lot of cool stuff. Killed too soon by sega's incompetence. Too many different models of genesis. Wasted money on the unreliable and expensive to produce model 1 cd. Made the dumb 32x and dumped the saturn to shelves too early

[Anonymous No.8165194]

It gets lumped with the 32x but it wasn't really a failure. Not a success either, but quite decent for what it was

[Anonymous No.8165197]

>>8165162
It was a complete failure and a waste of money even when it had all the needed potential to have been awesome.
It failed because of Sega's retardness, not because it was bad.

[Anonymous No.8165230]

>>8165197
>It failed because of Sega's retardness, not because it was bad
That's extra sad.

[Anonymous No.8165232]

What are we comparing it to? The PCE with the CD attachment? It didn't sell as good as that, no, but made Sega money. It was good enough. Core Duo does have much better material though, so I would always pick that between the two.

[Anonymous No.8165274]

>>8165232
>What are we comparing it to?
I don't know how useful would it be to compare it to anything else, I mean, if we could have an idea of what exactly Sega wanted from it (and we may get an idea of that, from articles and interviews and projections, etc) then we could compare their goals with their results.

[Anonymous No.8165282]

>>8165162
Too many FMV games, but Snatcher and Sonic CD are enough to warrant having one (CD isn't as good as 2 and 3&K, but it's still good)

[Anonymous No.8165295]

>>8165282
>Sonic CD are enough to warrant having one
Yes, these are good enough to warrant having one, but you're a collector and it's 2021. Two games aren't enough to warrant making one in the early 90s. By that I mean, you think Sega would have bothered if they knew only collectors would care about it in the far future, and even those defending it wanna play two of the games?

[Anonymous No.8165429]

No game-console add-on has ever been a success, because they are all over-priced and confusing to general audiences. No dev would ever work on something with a much smaller market share.

Don't write a comment saying that the Famicom Disk System was a success. It never left Japan and its important games were released to the base system. It's a self-defeating argument.

[Anonymous No.8165441]

>>8165429
PCE-CD was undeniably a success, it effectively boosted its base console

[Anonymous No.8165510]

>>8165441
I guess by that anon's standards it was also a failure because it was only popular in Japan too.

[Anonymous No.8166191]

>>8165429
>No game-console add-on has ever been a success
Well, actually...
>because they are all over-priced
Well, you see...
>and confusing to general audiences
Now, wait a minute!
>No dev would ever work on something with a much smaller market share
Oh! Oh, of course. If by "add-on" you meant exclusively the ones that are meant to give an already existing console a new, superior library of games by increasing its power and capabilities, then sure. If the add-on is a way for the console to suddenly play an entire already existing library of classics and/or a line of games already in development for a humbler system, then you don't have to worry about developers not supporting it.
What you say about developers makes sense, too. From the point of view of devs, to develop for the Sega CD would have been the worse idea. Why would they want to have their sales conditioned to a smaller market?

[Anonymous No.8166229]

>>8165441
Amerisharts don't know about the PC Engine.

[Anonymous No.8166234]

>>8166191
Not that anon but I wouldn’t really consider this an add-on
It’s more of an adapter like the super gameboy was

[Anonymous No.8166239]

>>8166229
They were literally the only ones outside of Japan who did know about it dude

[Anonymous No.8166286]

It was a failure. It cost far too much to produce, and they jacked up the specs a few months before launch because they were getting destroyed by NEC. Their follow-up failure, the 32X, was a response to the failings of the Mega CD.

>>8165429
The PCE CD addon was objectively both a huge success, and led to the creation of games that would've otherwise been impossible for the system. Tengai Makyo 2 was the most expensive title ever produced when it came out in 1992, at a total cost of 4 million bucks, and was exclusive to it.

It's no exaggeration to say that the CD addon for the PCE was the single reason an aging piece of 1987 hardware survived far longer than it should've. They completely obliterated Sega with 8 bit hardware, because CD audio and voice acting were far more impressive than anything FM synth could put out.

[Anonymous No.8166328]

>>8166191
> hey dudes, let's make a stripped down gameboy as a gamecube peripheral

Genius!

Also, if it was so successful, why are they so rare today?

[Anonymous No.8166331]

>>8166234
>I wouldn’t really consider this an add-on
>It’s more of an adapter
That’s an add-on, no matter how you see it. It's pedantic to argue the point, though. We know what >>8165429 meant.

[Anonymous No.8167647]

>>8165162
>Was it a failure?
Yes, 10% share
>>8165169
>and a decent amount of them.
lol, no

[Anonymous No.8167654]

>>8165162
It was a success
It showed the west that CD-ROM truly was the future of read-only consumer data storage for more than just encyclopedias and Macintosh faggotry

[Anonymous No.8167660]

>>8165162
Conceptually it was a good idea. Commecially - a major fuckup, just like anything else by Sega from that point onward unfortunately. I think the FMV "games" ruined its reputation and devs weren't eager to make games for it despite its potential. With enough devs making games for the Sega CD, it could have rivaled the PC Engine CD-ROM addon.

[Anonymous No.8167673]

>>8167654
>It showed the west
It didn’t

[Anonymous No.8167680]

>>8165162
Turbografx CD is the only of these add-ons that's considered a success. Sega CD was probably the second most successful one, but that's not saying much either. It still sold more units in the US than the Saturn.

[Anonymous No.8167778]

>>8165162
How else would you play Ecco with the proper soundtrack?

[Anonymous No.8167921]

>>8165162
there's enough jarpigs and impressive Core games, for an add-on it was okayish

[Anonymous No.8167927]

>>8167660
>Conceptually it was a good idea.
It wasn't. It was a knee-jerk response to the PC Engine's domination, and it was years too late.

What's funny is that PC Engine didn't really have the same problem. Being an 8 bit system, it could barely handle video decoding, so devs opted to just use the space for enhanced audio and more sprites.

>With enough devs making games for the Sega CD,
But why would they work on a failing system over one with an established userbase?

[Anonymous No.8167943]

>>8165162
Good games and sold ok. People really over-exaggerate its faults, like people seem to think FMV games were 90% of the library when there were only like 30 or so games out of a 200 game library. It’s just those shitty ones are the games Sega pushed hardcore to show off the console’s power. When your console has games like Sonic CD, both Lunar games, Snatcher, Popful Mail and the best versions of Final Fight and Earthworm Jim, I’d say your console has done well. Zoomers on YT will tell you the library was just endless takes on Night Trap and Sewer Shark, which is just plain false

[Anonymous No.8167979]

>>8167943
Best version of Ecco too, forgot that

[Anonymous No.8167991]

>>8166328
I got a silver one for like $53. Once I got the wind waker exploit to work it is pretty fucking cash.

[Anonymous No.8167998]

>>8165162
I don't give a sh*t, to be honest. My father bought a MCD in 1993 and for a 12 yo boy it felt like the future had arrived. My father connected the MCD to the stereo equipment and I was blown away by games like Thunderhawk, Silpheed and Sonic CD.

[Anonymous No.8168017]

>>8167998
>Thunderhawk
this game and soul star were very impressive, there's this impressive mech game too but i forgot the name

[Anonymous No.8168030]

>>8167998
>listening to the vastly inferior american ost
you poor soul

[Anonymous No.8168043]

>>8166328
>if it was so successful, why are they so rare today?
The BGP is rare? Dude, I have three of them.
The only reason I can think they could be rare would be the same reason the Genesis controller with six buttons are rare: people that have them won't sell them. Too good to get rid of.

[Anonymous No.8168050]

>>8168030
>MCD rather than SCD
>Thunderhawk rather than AH-3 Thunderstrike
He listened to the superior OST

[Anonymous No.8168051]

>>8167778
Why would I want to do that?

[Anonymous No.8168053]

>>8168050
I’m braindead kek didn’t even see the MCD part. Good, the superior Sonic CD soundtrack rides again

[Anonymous No.8168057]

>>8166328
>if it was so successful, why are they so rare today?
The GameBoy Player is rare? Dude, I have three of them. I don't think it's rare at all.
The only reason I can think they could be rare would be the same reason the Genesis controller with six buttons are rare: people that have them won't sell them. Too good to get rid of.

[Anonymous No.8168687]

Ecco cd ost is great

[Anonymous No.8169462]

>>8168057
GB player isn't rare but the disc is

[Anonymous No.8169524]

>>8169462
fortunately you don't need it

[Anonymous No.8169537]

>>8169524
not anymore no, it's purely for collection sake
I think the homebrew launcher improves the quality as well

[Anonymous No.8170581]

>>8169462
Oh, that's probably true. I have three GameBoy Players, as I said, but I don't have three discs.
I'm not even sure I have two discs.

[Anonymous No.8171314]

>>8168057
Speaking of, I want that controller.

[Anonymous No.8171813]

>>8165169
Mega CD is one Sega's greatest blunders(32X is a brainfart not blunder).
The hardware given the task that was set was dubious, hardware wise it is Sega of Japan's baby. Sega wanted to get JRPGs on to the Sega platform so they decided to go with FMV's which forced them to throw in a new CPU(with rotation effects to counter mode 7 shit because you totally need that for JRPGs). Instead of addressing the color pallettes which would make RPGs stand out more. The project simply spiraled out of control from being a simple cd add-on with some extra ram, the SuperSystem 2 card announcement also caused a kneejerk reaction at Sega and a fuck ton of more ram was added. At the end of it all you were left with a massively overengineered,overpriced and delayed system. The PC Engine CD didn't matter in regions where the MegaDrive had a large user base, the SNES CD didn't materialize..it was essentially a victory served on a golden platter and they fucked up badly. The system was finally out Very late 1991 JP, mid 1992.US and mid 1993 PAL. It should have been out world wide by late 1991. It also didn't help that by mid 1993 Sega JP had had given up on the system in Japan since it did abysmally over there and Sega of Japan from there on wouldn't approve any new internal game development beyond that point it was all SoA game development.

[Anonymous No.8171843]

>>8171813
Also the fact that Phantasy Star IV was supposed to be the killer title for the MEGA CD in Japan getting moved back to cartridge on the MegaDrive speaks for itself

[Anonymous No.8171886]

>>8171813
Didn't ask
Don't care
Love my MCD

[Anonymous No.8171895]

>>8171886
Get a life. No reason to not emulate everything pre 5th gen

[Anonymous No.8171908]

>>8171895
I managed to combine family life, work and my hobby. Thank you for your concern.

[Anonymous No.8171913]

>>8171886
I had fun with my Mega CD but, it really should have been a lot better than what it ended up being. SoA could have at least thrown money at Konami and gotten a Western port of Castlevania Rondo instead of throwing millions at INXS,KrisKross and Marky Mark.

[Anonymous No.8171957]

>>8171913
Just SOA being SOA

[Anonymous No.8171964]

>>8171908
No you don't

[Anonymous No.8172006]

>>8171964
Cope. Seethe. DIL8. :) from a happy father

[Anonymous No.8172764]

>>8172006
I believe you, 'cause I know it's possible. I don't have kids yet, but I'm married and I've been able to balance both being a huge nerd with being a married responsible man.

[Anonymous No.8174301]

Simpler way to ask the question: howm many ga,es are there for this thing, and how many of them are good?

[Anonymous No.8174320]

It's decent. 16 bit games with CD audio are comfy, especially on the Mega Drive where otherwise half the games sound like farting. I can only take so much bleeping and blooping before it starts to grind my nerves down.

[Anonymous No.8174448]

>>8174320
Low-T post.
>I can only take so much bleeping
The 8 bit era would give you a stroke

[Anonymous No.8174870]

>>8174320
>Mega Drive
What godless land are you posting from?

[Anonymous No.8174898]

>>8174870
Europe...and the name of the system is originally Mega Drive. Genesis sounds stupid.

[Anonymous No.8174920]

>>8165162
It was decent, it sold 1 million but that's thanks to sonic CD, the rest where not worth it

[Anonymous No.8174947]

>>8174920
>the rest where not worth it
Literally pulled that out of your ass, you ni-

[Anonymous No.8174971]

>>8174898
Ever considered moving to a real country?

[Anonymous No.8174975]

>>8174947
nincompoop

[Anonymous No.8174979]

>>8174971
Like the Jewnited Shartles of Amuttica?

[Anonymous No.8175589]

>>8165162
Only kid I know that got one, died. I have come to believe that mega drive is cursed

>199X
>my big balled chum gets mega cd
>full motion video wise ass
>then his dad suddenly dies of heart sadness
>mom goes mad
>big balls dies, decapitated by a Range Rover
>his mother sells his mega cd
>new victim gets it home
>the cd is spinning
>the mega drive is unplugged
>she goes mad and dies of disbelief

[Anonymous No.8175629]

>>8174979

[Anonymous No.8175650]

>>8165162
for its time a failure because most people who had a genesis didnt get one.

[Anonymous No.8175813]

>>8174979
You mean the land of the free, home of the babes?

[Anonymous No.8175824]

>>8175813
half the white population are race traitors and your country is filled with non white immigrants. wake up bro, the US is crumbling right before our eyes.


anyway, to stay on topic, if we're going by metrics it was a failure. cool games like Snatcher and Sonic CD aren't enough to carry it. To play devil's advocate though, that weird window of 1991-1994 was filled with uncertainty
and a lot of companies trying their luck to hit the next big thing. Though Sega should've known better and ditched the Mega Drive and moved the brilliant Western marketing to hype up the Saturn. If all the money wasted on CD and 32x went to the Saturn, it would've been a proper rival to the PS1.

[Anonymous No.8176070]

>>8165162
The Sega CD would've been a success if it was cheaper. For me, my Sega CD broke after I bought my second game, so it didn't take long. We didn't know how to get it fixed. Actually, we did but my parents were retarded and couldn't help me with it. So a console not breaking would be nice too. Ultimately it was a failure because of those two reasons.

There was a point in the late 90s and early 00s when everyone was getting stars in their eyes about FMVs and 3d graphics. Not gameplay so much, but graphics. Very few developers were able to pull off justifying their games being in 3d. Cameras in 3d games continue to be a problem to this day. We pretty quickly got to a point where we could have traditional 2d gameplay interspersed with FMV/animation, but that wouldn't have remained impressive for too long.

Personally, I would've been fine with more 2d games with cleaner graphics, CD-quality audio, and FMV/animation. Example, Mega Man X4. I wasn't really interested in an extra dimension of gameplay. I just wanted more animation frames. Imagine how cool Chrono Trigger would have looked with at least double the animation frames.

[Anonymous No.8176118]

>>8175824
None of that sounds Christian. You seem6to be hate-filled

[Anonymous No.8176125]

>>8176118
>being Christian means getting fucked in the ass and turning the other cheek

no.

[Anonymous No.8177315]

Is there a single FMV in existence that is actually good?
Because this garbage isn't good even for the memes.

[Anonymous No.8177319]

>>8165162
Why are nintendo fans so obsessed with sales? It's the least interesting part of any discussion.

[Anonymous No.8177354]

>>8177319
Because they're corporate worshipping, CEO dicksucking, mindless consuming bugmen.

[Anonymous No.8177369]

>>8174971
Ever considered not eating your own shit?

[Anonymous No.8177552]

>>8177369
No, I've never considered moving to Europe.

[Anonymous No.8177760]

>mfw I won one of these at a carnival in 1993 and only had a game boy at the time

I ended up trading it to a guy on my street for an 80s kawasaki dirt bike

[Anonymous No.8177826]

>>8177760
>traded a Sega CD 80s (that he got for free) kawasaki dirt bike
Man, your negotiation skills are below none. You got a free dirt bike and your friend got a piece of trash.
What happened to the dirt bike? I guess you don'tm have it still, right?

[Anonymous No.8177839]

>>8177760
>traded a Sega CD (that he got for free) for a 80s kawasaki dirt bike
Man, your negotiation skills are below no one's. You got a free dirt bike and your friend got a piece of trash.
What happened to the dirt bike? I guess you don'tm have it still, right?

[Anonymous No.8177862]

It has more good games than the PS1 and N64 combined by any sane metric (not by nugamer's dumbfuck metric where they see shit like Mario 64 and MGS as "good").

[Anonymous No.8177880]

>>8177862
>more good games than the PS1 and N64 combined
No, it doesn't. Show us a list of all the good games. Let's put your claim to the test right now.

[Anonymous No.8177885]

>>8177862
such as?
most of them are awful fmv games or just ports with cd audio

[Anonymous No.8178435]

>>8177885
I'm pretty sure he was trolling.
>more good games than the PS1 and N64 combined by any sane metric
Doesn't that sound like a clown?

[Anonymous No.8178794]

>>8165162
No. 30+ titles for the system are excellent. That to me is plenty.
Quit smoking. Now.

[Anonymous No.8178835]

>>8178794
>30+ titles for the system are excellent
Let's see you name them, friend.

[Anonymous No.8178867]

>>8172764
it's just seething jealous permavirgin dorks who literally can't imagine having a family because women are disgusted by their shit personalities and unwashed ass

[Anonymous No.8178893]

Ignore the naysayers and enjoy your favorite game.

[Anonymous No.8179001]

>>8178835
Sure.
https://segaretro.org/Category:Mega-CD_games

[Anonymous No.8179036]

They could have used it as lesson on how to make the saturn, the mega cd had a heap of bottle necks and then they make the saturn with a lot of bottle necks too.

It kind of ridiculous to call it a failure, do people go around looking for random phillips or sanyo cd players from 1990 and then rag on them 30 years later because they didn't sell that well and call them a failure.

They did waste a lot of potential, why not have sonic 2 on there with all the levels that had to be cut in the cartridge, its because they didn't have that much faith in it at that point. I probably would have been disappointed if I got it new and found many games just had cd audio as the difference.

The mega cd actually started off well, a lot of older players with jobs were actually attracted to it but I think they would have felt burned with it not being supported much after 3 years.

>>8167943
My experience with fmv games is that you play one and then you have no desire to play another despite having fun with the first one.

>>8171813
A lot of the japanese games actually take advantage of the scaling chips in the system even its just in small ways so I think a decent amount turned out pretty good and couldn't be done on cartidge.

Uses scaling a rotation a bit, seems to be a menu driven adventure game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbBJWLQTMMs&t=1213s

Shadow run wouldn't be possible on cartridge because of the space.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VPyi8Ld1Cw

The terminator is considered good but really it is pretty crap and could have been done on cartridge.

>>8167998
I wanted one badly, I looked on the back of the box and it had a picture of road avenger and I was confused if this was supposed to be real 3d or scaler graphics. I would have been pissed to find out what it actually was. Thunderhawk has way better 3d than mode 7 on snes. I would have been blown away to see the f1 game at the time since I remember super monaco gp in the arcade looking incredible even compared to 3d.

[Anonymous No.8179112]

>>8179001
You do see how those games are mostly garbage right?

[Anonymous No.8179123]

>>8179112
>MY SUBJECTIVE OPINION IS IN FACT OBJECTIVE REALITY!
You do see how you're a massive faggot, right?

[Anonymous No.8179158]

>>8179123
It is objective reality, yes, Most of those are garbage.
Some are pretty cool, though. Some are.
Most are garbage.

[Anonymous No.8179160]

>>8165197
based nintenbro

[Anonymous No.8179161]

>>8168057
I was going to ask if I could buy one of the discs off of you, but I read your later comment that said you don't have them.


Fuck man

[Anonymous No.8179250]

>>8179161
>I was going to ask if I could buy one of the discs off of you
In any case I wouldn't sell it to you, since I live ion Chile and I don't trust it would get to you. I don't usually send things to anyone.
I'm pretty sure you can find the disc in your own country, though. Just be patient. Even if you don't find it now, you'll find it eventually.

[Anonymous No.8179264]

>>8179161
use GBi you turbo faggot, the GBP disc is not even good enough to use as frisbee

[Anonymous No.8180069]

>>8179158
>It is objective reality, yes
No, it isn't, because it never can be, you dumb faggot. There is no arbiter of vidya quality, retard.

[Anonymous No.8180637]

>>8180069
>it isn't, because it never can be, you dumb faggot
In that case, your claim that these are good games is also a subjective position, and you're no less of a dumb faggot.
>There is no arbiter of vidya quality
That only means you're not an of vidya quality, which means
>>8179001
This list of games is garbage. When I say they're garbage, they are.
As much as when you say they're quality, you're right.
You clearly wanna be dismissive of all opinions that aren't yours, with your very triggered claims that "IT'S SUBJECTIVE, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
But at the same time, you want your views to be taken as objective. You're clearly retarded.

By the way, as subjective as my opinion may be, I can argue the point. I can show you to a reasonable degree why those games are garbage. Not all of them, but certainly most of them.

[Anonymous No.8180673]

>>8179112
People will have different lists. My list of recommended games on the Sega CD(I know it's not 30, but I'm not him):
Adventures of Batman and Robin
Batman Returns
Earthworm Jim: Special Edition
Ecco
Ecco: The Tides of Time
Flashback: The Quest for Identity
Heart of the Alien
Keio Flying Squadron
Lunar: Eternal Blue
Lunar: The Silver Star
Mickey Mania
Popful Mail
Rise of the Dragon
Secret of Monkey Island
Silpheed
Snatcher
Sonic CD
Soulstar
Starblade
Those aren't the only ones that people like, those are just the ones that are to my personal taste. For example, Final Fight CD is one of the best versions of that game, but I don't really like Final Fight.

[Anonymous No.8181145]

>>8180637
>You clearly wanna be dismissive of all opinions that aren't yours
Tyrone (you) doesn't see the irony. You've stated that the games were garbage. That's not an opinion, you spastic. You're claiming an absolute; that you can objectively prove that the games are dog shit. You can't, cum drinker. You KNOW you can't, you fucking imbecile. YOU are the one who dismisses the opinions of others, not me. Little arrested development faggot child just NEEDS to be right all the time. Pathetic. Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.8181430]

>>8181145
>You're claiming an absolute
And you aren't?