/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8159726]

I think this is one of the stealth games in history

[Anonymous No.8159732]

Great game. Unfortunately not retro.

[Anonymous No.8159771]

>>8159732
Sorry boomer. SCCT is 6th gen, thus retro.

[Anonymous No.8159775]

>>8159726
I think it's one stealth game too.

[Anonymous No.8159815]

>>8159726
Having the ability to whistle to attract guard attention is an amazingly elegant solution to the "wait around for a guard to move somewhere else so you can sneak by" problem most stealth games have. Other modern titles like Dishonored really don't get it right. A videogame should always encourage player agency and stealth titles always discourage it.

[Anonymous No.8159826]

>>8159815
>stealth titles always discourage it.
Stealth titles do have amazing player agency, unless you cling to autistic "TrUe GhOsT" playthroughs. Every stealth game (except MGS1 perhaps) has a way to distract enemies, be it shooting darts, throwing object or causing noise of any type. In stealth titles you're the one setting the pace. The enemies react to you, not you to the enemy. How is that not player agency?

[Anonymous No.8159829]

>>8159826
I just remembered that you could knock walls in MGS1, so yes, even that one has a way to distract enemies.

[Anonymous No.8159862]

>>8159726
>>8159775
Fuck you contrarian faggots. It's two stealth games.

[Anonymous No.8159885]

ahhh yes...... blue stinger.... now THAT was a survival-horror game in history.......

[Anonymous No.8159916]

>>8159815
>Other modern titles like Dishonored really don't get it right
just punch the floor or wall, like you would in MGS long before chaos theory

[Anonymous No.8159931]

for me? it's throwing S O Y bags to distract enemies

[Anonymous No.8159945]

I only played the port on the DS, and to have any kind of sensible movement you needed to either possess three hands, or maintain a ridiculously uncomfortable and straining grip where you held the stylus with one hand, which was also on the buttons and shoulder button.
Didn't play it for very long, because I didn't want to ruin my hands. I assume that the game is much better on other systems.

[Anonymous No.8159981]

>>8159945
Only play XBOX or PC. Even PS2/GC is a downgrade

[Anonymous No.8160038]

>>8159726
recently 100%’d it
tip: bathhouse, go as far back as you can when spying the plot twist conversation in a vent if on higher difficulty.
Otherwise the guard will see you but do nothing since it’s a scripted sequence and at the end you’ll get 97% or some bs

[Anonymous No.8160039]

>>8159945
>I only played the port on the DS
Lmao that one was terrible, it was just a port of the ngage version with clunky controls, awful visuals and choppy frame rate

>>8159981
HD collection version is good too

[Anonymous No.8160067]

>>8159726
>muh just stay in the dark
>muh shot every source of light
>muh avoid motion laser
Such brainless and generic stealth game
MGS3 is the best the genre can offer.

[Anonymous No.8160071]

>>8160039
>hd collection
maybe

[Anonymous No.8160130]

>>8159726
Yes it's one of them.

[Anonymous No.8160142]

>>8159981
What are you on? The PC version is identical to the GC version.
t. has both

[Anonymous No.8160235]

>>8159981
I think you're taking about double agent, not chaos theory.
Double agent is the one that has two different versions. Also the PS2/GC one is on wii too and they have co-op like chaos theory (the "next gen" version doesn't).

[Anonymous No.8160239]

>>8159829
Which you could do in Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake as well

[Anonymous No.8160242]

>>8160239
It's in every game since MGS.

[Anonymous No.8160279]

>>8160142
>>8160235
The fuck are you talking about

PS2/GC are different in level design because the consoles couldn't handle the whole levels, so they had to be partitioned in "sections" that had to be loaded. You can compare them in youtube:

GC bank level https://youtu.be/WHQjhn_2yNk?t=2445

PC bank level https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAazTlKyIZ0

You'll go to hell to trying to dupe people into buying the downgraded PS2/GC versions.

[Anonymous No.8160307]

>>8160279
Having loading screens doesn't make the level design "different". It's still the same geometry, same objectives, etc. It's the same, just on lower hardware. Your videos prove that too.

Compare both versions of double agent, now THAT is different.

[Anonymous No.8160313]

>>8159771
Only on this zoomer tranny infested shithole is 6th gen retro. That said, it's still a great game.

[Anonymous No.8160337]

>>8160279
The beginning of the bathhouse level is another good example. Even the previous splinter cell games had cut sections and reworked levels on the weaker consoles, so this was nothing new

[Anonymous No.8160348]

>>8160307
CT is somewhat different

The DA version you're confusing stuff. Because it's the same case as CT, where the PS2/GC/Wii are slightly different from OG XBOX due to similar constrains. It's the 360/PC version the one that is a completely different game. So there's actually THREE different versions of DA.

not everything is black and white
CT PS2/GC isn't still the same as PC/XBAWS

The bank level which is open ended and circular in the PC/XBOX versions, providing several options to the player, gets obliterated in PS2/GC for a more linear experience.

Even if you don't agree (and you're a dumbfuck for defending the indefensible when there's proof online), PS2/GC still have downgraded graphics so it's a downgraded port. In addition to altered level design.

[Anonymous No.8160546]

>another redpilled series ubishit left behind to die

[Anonymous No.8160653]

>>8160348
Not really trying to defend them, PC being obviously the best way to play it, just saying it's very inaccurate to the point of being dishonest to say they are different games.

[Anonymous No.8160696]

>>8159726
absolute masterpiece splinter cell is a great series of games just like metal gear solid

[Anonymous No.8160794]

>>8160313
It's a Windows XP game. XP, being a platform released in 2001, falls under the "retro" umbrella. Not hard to understand.

[Anonymous No.8160807]

>>8159726
>I think this is one of the stealth games in history
It’s probably in the top 1000

[Anonymous No.8162342]

>>8159726
Of all the stealth games to exist, I honestly have to say that this is the one that also exists. Stealth as a genre will go down in the history of video games and be looked back on, and this game right here was within its parameters. Splinter Cell Chaos Theory is such a game that I can't think of a single other stealth game that isn't also a stealth game.

[Anonymous No.8162343]

>>8162342
This may just be the best post I've seen on this board.

[Anonymous No.8162551]

I love how the zoomer tranny janny deletes posts calling out the down syndrome of the mods
>>8162343
shut the fuck up zoomer

[Anonymous No.8162556]

These threads are good tests to see the bot to real person ratio on 4chan

[Anonymous No.8162576]

>>8162556
quote me the bots, because I really don't see them.

[Anonymous No.8163693]

>>8162551
Triggy

[Anonymous No.8164054]

>>8159726
I played through Chaos Theory and thought it was an excellent game. Are the first two still worth playing if you started with CT?

[Anonymous No.8164072]

>>8160067
>MGS3 is the best the genre can offer
*ahem*

[Anonymous No.8164078]

>>8164054
Not really. You just get a story and a few nice set pieces, but the gameplay improved with each sequel so you'll feel something is missing. The first one is very linear too.
But they are by no means bad games.

[Anonymous No.8164085]

>>8162556
Javascript exception: Error calling selector function: TypeError: $(dilate).replyPost is not a function. (In '$(dilate).generateReply()','$(dilate).generateReply' is undefined) and splinter cell is also based and one of the best stealth titles. Bank level is the kinoest of the kinos.

[Anonymous No.8164112]

>>8164054
They definitely have some bullshit and jank you have to deal with, several 'that' levels. I do think they offer something that isn't totally invalidated by CT. It's bit hard to put my finger on but they have a certain gaminess that's distinct from ct in the way you control sam and enemies behave that I like.

[Anonymous No.8164114]

>>8164054
>>8164078
>>8164112
What about multiplayer? I've seen some people say that Pandora Tomorrow had the best multiplayer, others said CT.

[Anonymous No.8164130]

>>8164114
PT is deader than Elvis unless you're talking about setting up lan.

[Anonymous No.8164139]

>>8164114
CT has the best multiplayer, pandora tomorrow was the first draft and it shows by comparison. That said every multiplayer splinter cell is worth playing, even the shit modern ones and the double agent one is actually pretty great on its own right (instead of the agents being predator-like killing machines they are essentially acrobats).

[Anonymous No.8164165]

>>8164130
>unless you're talking about setting up lan
I am. I rarely play with strangers. Too many fuckheads

[Anonymous No.8164202]

>>8164165
Try all 3 games (PT, CT, DA) then you'll decide which you want to stick to.
And don't forget about co-op mode if you're only two. DA only has it on wii/PS2/GC though

[Anonymous No.8165648]

>>8164202
> co-op mode
I heard one player can hold an enemy in place while the other plugs him in the butt until he provides valuable intel. Kinda weird.

[Anonymous No.8166471]

>>8160067
lol

[Anonymous No.8166479]

>>8166471
nice update of the Thief vs MGS soijack meme

[Anonymous No.8166525]

>>8166471
more vs infographics, pls

[Anonymous No.8166528]

>>8166525

[Anonymous No.8166529]

>>8159815
It's been a while since I last played Chaos Theory but I remember than in the last few levels you had to be fairly proactive with your sneaking because the enemies got quite good at sniffing you out.

[Anonymous No.8166534]

>>8166471
>>8166528
interesting

[Anonymous No.8166549]

>>8160067
ah yes, because "use the menu to instantly change your camo and become invisible" is much better

[Anonymous No.8166585]

>>8166471
>emergent gameplay
someone put a soijak looking at that image please

[Anonymous No.8167358]

>>8166528
at one point posting this pic was an insta-ban.
good times.

[Anonymous No.8167529]

>>8166471
ebin basedjak troll bro but i actually like both games

[Anonymous No.8167532]

>>8166471
>>8166528
t. Razorfag

[Anonymous No.8167760]

I never managed to find the following
>a version of SC DA on PC that doesn't crash 500 times a minute in the semi open world african level. Tried every possible shady shader package from every asshole of the internet forum. Is the PC version just buggy ? Are we condemned to the emulated console cumstain graphics and botched plotlines on that one ?

[Anonymous No.8167850]

>>8167760
The low end versions are the better version gameplay wise. "Next gen" splinter cell sucks.

[Anonymous No.8167851]

>>8167532

[Anonymous No.8167987]

>>8159726
>playing through North Korea
>Hilarious radio annoucments blaring
>ATTENTION ALL PERSONNEL: TOMORROW IS NEW TOOTHBRUSH DAY
>Grab a Nork colonel after disabling the lamp in his office
>His skin is as yellow as Pac-man
>"Who you, American?"
>"Don't bother with the "Who are you?" crap. We're too old for children's games."
*crrrrack* *siiiip* Ahhhhh yeah. Games ain't what they used to be.

[Anonymous No.8168007]

>>8167851
On the right side you have.
>Garret from Thief
>Splinter Cell SAS agent guy
>???

[Anonymous No.8168012]

>Splinter Cell SAS agent guy
That's Sam Fisher.
>???
>The last guy is Agent 47 from Hitman.

[Anonymous No.8168013]

>>8159815
Wtf when Shadow of Rome did it you didn't say that

[Anonymous No.8168021]

>>8168007
>Splinter Cell SAS agent guy
That's Sam Fisher.
>???
The last guy is Agent 47 from Hitman.

[Anonymous No.8168045]

>>8168021
>That's Sam Fisher
Oh, thanks, Been a long time since I last played some Splinter Cell.

[Anonymous No.8168068]

>>8167850
The graphics on the XBOX Splinter Cells are so good that to be honest, XBOX DA is pretty close to what a PC version of Double Agent would look like if the X360 version never existed.
I'd just buy an XBOX but I have way too many videogames already, so I can only wait for emulation to finally happen to this particular title. The PS2 version is an OK substitute but once you see the bawx version, you really don't want to go back to it.
t. Played the PS2 version, upgraded to the PS Triple then suffered through the shit port of the game on it.

[Anonymous No.8168083]

>ruins your 100% run

[Anonymous No.8168113]

>>8159726
I must admit, the enemy AI is pretty good.

[Anonymous No.8168279]

>>8164054
I like the first one a lot. PT has the worst level design of the first 3 imo but it's still good.

[Anonymous No.8169124]

Hated it as a wee lad, replayed it recently because i'm stuck with a really old laptop and had a blast
The ost is great too
Fuck the boiler room though, that shit gave me ptsd

[Anonymous No.8169652]

>>8159726
You're dead wrong. THIS is one of the stealth games in history

[Anonymous No.8169835]

>>8159826
>"TrUe GhOsT" playthroughs.
Whats the point of a stealth game if you're guns blazing? Unless its impossible to take out a guard you should never kill or set off an alarm. If you do restart and try again.

[Anonymous No.8169842]

>>8166528
I might be responding to a troll post but I thought Kojima loved the dub? So much that he had it included in the Japanese re-release. Do I have faulty information?

[Anonymous No.8169847]

>>8169835
>If you're not autistically obsessing with not interacting with anything, it means you're guns blazing
I hate the internet
>>8169842
I guess it's because he hated Snake's dubber and also made Twin Snakes to be re-dubbed for no reason.

[Anonymous No.8169852]

>>8169847
Turning off lights and throwing soda cans to distract guards is enough interaction. Once you open fire with a machine gun you might as well turn it off and put in Call of Duty.

[Anonymous No.8169864]

>>8159826
>>8169835
>play on ghost
>miss out on all the fun interrogations with guards

[Anonymous No.8169913]

>>8167850
maybe but I'm such a SC fan that I want to be able to play all ports. I like all SC games, even the crappy DA minigame where you make gatorade bombs in the basement. The universe is just captivating.

[Anonymous No.8169934]

>>8169913
About double agent, I've always wanted to play the last-gen version, should I get the wii version or the gamecube version? What are the differences?

[Anonymous No.8169941]

>>8160696
>a great series of games just like metal gear solid
>MGS in picture is Ground Zeroes.
Your taste anon...

[Anonymous No.8169943]

>>8169934
dunno so far I tested a weird XBOX port which was different from the XBOX360 port afaik, and had less stuff in it, less side plots and different level design as well for some parts. Was pretty disappointing. I also tested the PC Steam version, which will crash relentlessly depending on your GPU/drivers or whatever apparently. But I had fun with that one.

[Anonymous No.8169945]

Should I start with the first game or is this a hitman situation?

[Anonymous No.8169952]

>>8169945
Play SC1, then jump to CT. The rest are super meh that said, Grim's missions in Blacklist were pretty good from a stealth point of view, shame there were so few of them

[Anonymous No.8169979]

>>8169945
>Should I start with the first game
Yes, and ignore the other anon, play them all.
>or is this a hitman situation?
Fuck off, if you don't play Codename 47 you're a pussy. It's a good game, just much jankier.

[Anonymous No.8170059]

>>8169842
Kojima may have thought whatever of the dub, it substituted the japanese voice overs in MGS Integral because Konami executives were impressed by how after hearing the english dub it really seemed like a hollywood film for them, the tradition carried on for MGS2 but tht one may had broke Kojims because its a very bad dub made in two weeks vs the whole year he spent doing the japanese version, also the casting is horrible, something hapened no doubt becuse MGS3 had the japanese vice overs for subsistence and they even bothered putting substance in japanese for the HDcollection, which meant voicing new lines for the substance exclusive content.

[Anonymous No.8170069]

>>8169943
I did some digging around, the wii version just adds bloom and inaccurate motion targeting, it has a cursor on screen and you move it to the edges of the screen to look around.