Is it really the strongest/most powerful retro console?

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Anonymous Sun Sep 19 17:04:12 2021 No.8154315 [Reply] [Original]

Is it really the strongest/most powerful retro console?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 17:07:43 2021 No.8154330 It’s the ugliest retro console that’s for sure

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 17:10:12 2021 No.8154345 >>8154330 Agree there. All the hardware is horrendously hideous. So I guess it really was the American console.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 17:12:47 2021 No.8154357 No because it couldn't run any ps2 exclusive that targets 60fps lol >But it can run 30fps cap Impressive!

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 17:15:00 2021 No.8154362 >>8154357 So the PS2 is the strongest?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 17:15:54 2021 No.8154365 >>8154362 Always been before /v/ memes

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 17:21:25 2021 No.8154384 Yes but the video encoder chip is shit, you have the flicker filter that if you set it at 5 is stable but fuzzy like N64 bilinear filter, if you set at 1 is sharp but flickers like hell. All the controllers are not good, there's tons of fake S ones.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 17:24:28 2021 No.8154391 >>8154362 The PS2 and xBox are very close contenders, each with advantages and disadvantages. The GameCube is, in usual Nintendo fashion, totally lacking by comparison to either, both in terms of technology and in terms of games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 17:35:47 2021 No.8154420 >>8154330 >>8154345 Cope. It looks awesome and provides great visuals.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 17:36:35 2021 No.8154425 >>8154420 If you have to say "cope" to defend an opinion, it's probably you coping.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 17:39:10 2021 No.8154437 >>8154425 Now THAT is a cope.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 17:42:24 2021 No.8154446 >>8154315 Considering mine red-ringed and died after only having it for 3 years, i would say no. All my buddies who owned one had theirs die too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 17:47:47 2021 No.8154458 >>8154437 If you keep saying no u maybe it'll be true.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 17:49:07 2021 No.8154460 >>8154446 >>>/v/

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 17:50:27 2021 No.8154465 >>8154420 >great visuals Anon it's a retro console, graphics are not going to age well either way.

Anonymous Sun Sep 19 18:05:03 2021 No.8154502

>>8154315
What kind of question is this? Yes, unless you don't count the Xbox as retro. Even still it wasn't the best console. That was, for me, The Dreamcast. I still play the games to this day off and on and haven't touched the original Xbox over a decade.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 18:08:46 2021 No.8154510 >>8154362 >>8154391 The Xbox had the most power/best graphics of that gen. Xbox>GameCube>ps2, anyone alive at the time knows this

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 18:18:02 2021 No.8154535 >>8154458 peak cope

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 18:22:10 2021 No.8154542 File: 290 KB, 1366x624, 1480267293653.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8154510 >GameCube>ps2 Incorrect.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 18:33:57 2021 No.8154563 >>8154542 >tfw there's a ps2-mod to make burnout3 perform even better than it is lmao ninty btfo

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 19:11:14 2021 No.8154643 >>8154315 No, Alienware PCs had finally caught up by around 2005.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:08:31 2021 No.8154791 >>8154542 Oh no cubefags are we gay?

Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:11:54 2021 No.8154806

>>8154330
Man, if you really think it's uglier than the model 2 NES or the Jaguar+CD, you're definitely way off base.
Also the duke controller was exceptionally comfortable for anyone who didn't live in a country with small body proportions. Doesn't beat the Gamecube controller in comfort, but it's not bad.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:15:44 2021 No.8154817 >>8154542 do you have any actual proof and not a random quote meme screenshot

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:18:10 2021 No.8154825 >>8154817 https://sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?26634-PS2-vs-Dreamcast-Graphics&p=645458&viewfull=1#post645458 Literally right in the picture, there's a whole discussion about this topic with sources.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:19:26 2021 No.8154828 It can be if you fill the 2 empty ram sockets.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:21:31 2021 No.8154837 >>8154391 Then why does most multi platform games run worst on PS2?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:22:21 2021 No.8154840 >>8154837 /v/ meme

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:33:12 2021 No.8154871 I've seen people say GameCube is strongest I've seen people say PS2 is strongest I've seen people say Xbox is strongest You're all a bunch of liars

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:36:23 2021 No.8154881 File: 2.88 MB, 914x720, spide1comp.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8154837 They don't

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:42:15 2021 No.8154919 >>8154881 What a cherry pick

Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:42:28 2021 No.8154921

>>8154542
It basically depends on what you want. PS2 pretty much wins when it comes to just raw CPU brute force power between the CPU and the Vector Units. It also has the highest bus bandwidth of all the consoles last I checked. So it's able to just brute force it's way through things.

Gamecube on the other hand has a much more advanced GPU that gives it a lot of effects out of the box.

So it really depends on what the game is doing. If it's a more CPU intensive game, then PS2 is going to perform better (Burnout 3). If it's a game that is built more around using the Gamecube's more advanced GPU, then Gamecube is going to perform better (RE4).

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:45:17 2021 No.8154931 >>8154919 mad cube fanboy

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:45:46 2021 No.8154938 >>8154931 >Cube kek, fuck gaycube

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:46:53 2021 No.8154945 Why's it always ps2 fans that ruin 6th gen threads with this shit. It's like a cult

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:47:51 2021 No.8154948 >>8154945 This, 100% No one starts more shit than PS2 fans, holy shit. And I thought it would be Xbox fans before the rule change, but boy was I wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:48:00 2021 No.8154949 >trying this hard to instigate console wars

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:48:34 2021 No.8154956 >>8154921 RE4 is literally the only example of a GameCube multiplat outperforming the PS2.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:49:17 2021 No.8154960 >>8154948 >No one starts more shit than PS2 fans. N64 fans are pretty bad in 5th gen discussions.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:52:01 2021 No.8154971 >>8154949 Doesn't look like it's trying hard at all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:52:09 2021 No.8154973 >>8154956 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwjHFsQWWeM

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:53:19 2021 No.8154979 >>8154960 Haha what ? No. PSX fans are way worse

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:53:40 2021 No.8154982 >>8154973 Not him, but >Sonic Queeroes Literally anything else.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:54:36 2021 No.8154986 >>8154960 you literally can't make a nintendo 64 thread on this board without getting shouted down by a playstation fanboy. even saturn people butt in but nowhere on the level of playstation

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:55:08 2021 No.8154991 >>8154979 No, not really. The N64 fans are always starting the 5th gen console wars threads.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:55:35 2021 No.8154994 Most powerful, yes, but not best looking games. That belongs to GC for REmake and Twilight Princess and PS2 for Shadow of the Colossus, Okami, and FF12.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:56:07 2021 No.8154997 >>8154994 But if all three ran the same game ...

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:57:13 2021 No.8155005 >>8154991 If you say so man. But I'm just gonna rest my case that the majority of 5th gen threads up right now are specifically Nintendo 64 hate and Nintendo 64 game hate threads. I've never seen a nintendo 64 fan start an argument.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:58:29 2021 No.8155008 >>8154986 You can make an N64 thread just fine. The problem is most N64 threads are made with this inflammatory tone about how it's the best console ever. That is just asking for a console war.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:59:33 2021 No.8155018 >>8155008 again that's not true either. Most n64 threads are made with the tone of >LOOL HOW SHIT THIS IS >I played (popular n64 game) and it SUCKS

Anonymous Sun Sep 19 20:59:56 2021 No.8155021

>>8155005
Check back on another day then? Less than a few weeks ago there were tons of N64 fanboy threads shitting all over the Saturn and PS1. You literally couldn't discuss the Saturn at all without N64 fanboys coming in and talking about how it sucked at 3D and going on about Quake.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:03:52 2021 No.8155041 >>8155021 I'm sure

Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:04:30 2021 No.8155043

>>8154542
>>8154825
Wasn't this confirmed to be a LARPer posing as a dev? Criterion is from the UK but this guy is from Germany. Sure, you could counter with "well, people can move to different places, can't they?", but beyond that, just looking at the credits for Burnout 3, you won't find this guy. Also, even on those forums, someone asked him to tell his real name and/or a list of games he's worked on, and he copped out with "I may get in trouble with my current employer if I reveal my identity".

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:05:56 2021 No.8155050 >>8155043 no that's just a black falcon trying to cover himself. All "proof" against the guy is conjecture and operates under the delusion that people don't move over the course of 15 years.

Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:10:22 2021 No.8155075

>>8155043
>>8155050
The idea that the PS2 was more powerful than the Gamecube is farcical. In every port the gamecube had better visuals than the ps2 and there's a really good case that it was more powerful than the xbox. This is no great shame to the ps2 since the gamecube came out years after the ps2, but to claim it is anywhere near as powerful is just silly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:10:31 2021 No.8155076 >>8155050 Looking at the credits of Burnout 3 on Mobygames shows no one programmer (the position he credits himself with) that also worked on FPSes (a genre he claims to have been doing cutting edge work on).

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:12:01 2021 No.8155084 >>8154315 xbox and ps2 are not reto you fucking zoomiggers.

Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:14:07 2021 No.8155097

>>8154960
Yeah, they're pretty bad, but this was about 6th gen specifically...

>>8155041
I know which thread he's talking about, I even participated in it, but I can't for the life of me find it on >>/vr/.. Someone else who remembers more about the thread might be able to find it.

>>8155084
Rules state otherwise.

On an unrelated note, I got temporarily blocked for "not retro topics", trying to dispute someone calling COVID-19 the "Trump virus".
That post is still up, despite the context being Sega weathered the virus, which... has about as much to do with /vr/ as my post.
Just a tinge salty.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:15:25 2021 No.8155103 >>8155097 >Someone else who remembers more about the thread might be able to find it. I think it got deleted before it could be archived.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:16:46 2021 No.8155109 >>8155103 Hell no, that thread was up for 2 days. I've seen threads on /b/ archive faster than it is physically possible to get deleted, I highly doubt 2 days is not enough time to get archived.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:18:13 2021 No.8155115 >>8155097 bullshit, rules don't mean xbox is retro. because it's fucking not LOL.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:23:55 2021 No.8155134 >>8154945 >>8154948 Shit meme, few months ago xboxtards and cubefags would shit on ps2 every thread

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:24:20 2021 No.8155136 >>8154945 simply because there were ps2s sold, thus more fanboys

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:24:57 2021 No.8155138 >>8155134 I'm sure It's always playstation fans. Always. Every single time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:30:07 2021 No.8155154 >>8155097 It's this one >>8147097 seems most threads and posts just disappear these days.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:34:11 2021 No.8155174 File: 385 KB, 3620x918, Burnout 3 LARP.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8154542 Hi Rusty. >>8155043 >Wasn't this confirmed to be a LARPer posing as a dev? Yep. The guy thinks I'm somebody from the same shitty forum as him too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:38:19 2021 No.8155189 A black falcon has arrived

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:41:05 2021 No.8155194 >>8155189 You've been exposed Rusty.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:45:23 2021 No.8155205 >>8154315 How serious of an issue are clock caps on this thing ? Should I immediately remove mine ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:47:33 2021 No.8155214 >>8155205 >you can boot up a launch ps2 no issue >xbox already on life support Lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:47:35 2021 No.8155215 >>8155205 They'll leak battery acid over everything

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:48:29 2021 No.8155217 >>8155214 >PS2 >no issue Those things didn't read discs on day one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:48:37 2021 No.8155218 >>8155205 >Should I immediately remove mine ? yes

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:53:07 2021 No.8155239 I genuinely can't understand why anyone would buy this piece of shit instead of just getting a 360/one and use the BC

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:53:40 2021 No.8155241 >>8155239 because it's cool and why would I emulate when I have hardware

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:54:40 2021 No.8155245 >>8155241 It's a ps2 without the games

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:55:35 2021 No.8155248 >>8155241 >why would I emulate when I have hardware I don't want an OG xbox, but this is generally how I feel about playing older games. If I can avoid emulation by having the actual hardware, that's what I'm going to do.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:56:33 2021 No.8155250 >>8155245 Any time people list great PS2 games it doesn't take long for multiplats to be listed and with the exception of maybe two Konami games they're always better on Xbox.

Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:57:34 2021 No.8155252

>>8155214
>launch ps2
Any old factory was hired to make the PS2 to keep up with demand, this ultimately means that a large chunk of PS2s have this problem too.
Also, yeah, see >didn't read discs.

Not to mention, unlike the PS2, no other model causes catastrophic problems with games. A good chunk of PS2 slim models have enough hardware changes to genuinely fuck up certain games, IE:Jak X, and Worms.

Hey Jannies, please unban me. That ban was unfair. I'm not even entirely sure what caused my ban. Maybe it was >>8155097 and the saltiness towards the politicization of /vr/. Either way, I'd like a second chance without having to use a different internet connection. Even if you don't unban me, please at least inform me on what exactly got me banned so noone else falls into the same pitfall as me.

Anyways, this is my last reply. I don't want to end up getting the whole school banned, but just wanted to eek out this reply.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:57:59 2021 No.8155253 >>8155250 objectively speaking there's nothing wrong with multiplats. The differences between 6th gen ones mostly come down to controller preference. or the shadows in sphincter smell.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 21:59:24 2021 No.8155256 >>8155253 >The differences between 6th gen ones mostly come down to controller preference The cope is real.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 22:00:20 2021 No.8155258 >>8155205 Determine which console revision you have. If you have a 1.6 console, don't remove the clock capacitor. If you have any other revision, remove it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 22:03:32 2021 No.8155262 >>8155239 Because several good exclusives were never added to the 360/Xbone/Xsex backwards compatibility.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 22:06:19 2021 No.8155271 >>8155256 You're the one coping for the multiplat meme since you have no games

Anonymous Sun Sep 19 22:07:17 2021 No.8155272

>>8154362
It really is on a per game basis. Some games like Silent Hill 2 have better visual effects, meanwhile there's some games that barely run on Xbox which out probably never run on PS2.
That said, the Xbox has more multiplats which run in progressive scan compared to the PS2's 480i shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 22:08:08 2021 No.8155278 >>8155271 Xbox has plenty of games, especially when you consider nearly every multiplat is better on it. There really is no reason at all to play the shitty PS2 versions of the majority of multiplats from that generation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 22:08:21 2021 No.8155279 >>8154825 >one random larper on a forum not evidence

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 22:08:49 2021 No.8155280 File: 5 KB, 162x191, disgust4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8154330 Confirmed for shit taste

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 22:13:55 2021 No.8155291 >>8154315 don't know. but i remember being realy impressed about how a game named Tao Feng Fist of the Lotus looked on it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 22:15:37 2021 No.8155292 >>8155278 Again, nice meme, Spartan Total Warrior runs at 60fps on the PS2

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 22:18:45 2021 No.8155305 >>8155292 >Again, nice meme It's reality.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 22:27:35 2021 No.8155329 >>8155215 >>8155218 >>8155258 Thanks guys It was a 1.1. the thing was in the very early stages of leaking but nothing major

Anonymous Sun Sep 19 22:27:36 2021 No.8155330 [DELETED]

>>8154315
Yes, overall it's undoubtedly the strongest of the 6th gen regarding by every conventional metric (highest fill rate, texture memory/size, programmable shaders, resolution) and it showed. However, GC and PS2 have weird, unconventional strengths because not everything was so tediously similar in those days. GC had crazy a fixed-function GPU with stock mipmap/texture combining tricks capable of water effects that couldn't be replicated til DX9. PS2 could handle an obscene amount of particles and alpha transparencies and a ton of geometry, in spite of how shitty everything else about it was. It was cool because it wasn't all the same shit but with clock and vram differences.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 22:28:05 2021 No.8155332 >>8155329 Make sure you clean up the area with some q-tips, alcohol and maybe a tooth brush if you have a spare for cleaning.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 22:28:09 2021 No.8155334 >>8155292 Literally who??

Anonymous Sun Sep 19 22:33:54 2021 No.8155358

>>8154315
Yes, overall it's undoubtedly the strongest of the 6th gen by every conventional metric (fill rate, texture memory/size, programmable shaders, resolution) and it showed. Emulators running on modded systems also show this. However, GC and PS2 had weird, outlying strengths and unique capabilities because not everything was so tediously similar in those days. GC had a crazy fixed-function GPU with mipmap/texture combining tricks capable of producing water effects that couldn't be replicated 'til DX9 was mastered. PS2 could handle an obscene amount of particles and alpha transparencies and a ton of geometry, in spite of how shitty everything else looked on it. It was a neat time because it wasn't all the same shit using the same engines, only varying in clock speed and RAM pool.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 22:48:49 2021 No.8155413 >>8155262 No, but between a modded 360 (don't do this, oh god it sucks so bad, masochists only) and Xemu there's a lot of ground covered.

Anonymous Mon Sep 20 01:37:25 2021 No.8155780

>>8154837
Ehhhh, there's definitely more examples of it performing worse because its architecture differed so much from PS2's and suffered when it was ported to lazily. By 2003 or so it was more-or-less figured out with performance about on par with PS2, but early titles... holy shit it was bad.
>>8154881
GC was often a very bad fit for games designed for a PS2, but it was capable of many effects the PS2 simply couldn't do, and the image quality wasn't complete interlaced, sub-480 nonsense. The Xbox was able do pull off PS2 ports often providing better experiences than the lead platform out of sheer brute force, as it was in fact the most powerful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 01:39:28 2021 No.8155785 >>8154956 viewtiful joe is dogshit on ps2 and a near perfect 60 on gamecube

Anonymous Mon Sep 20 01:42:10 2021 No.8155790

>>8154956
Timesplitters 2 and 3 favored GC for sure. Also, I'm not helping GC's case, but I don't really consider RE4 a true multiplat. It was designed for the GC, and of course runs a ton better on it. The C-team intern-tier devs shoved it on to the PS2 much later.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 02:25:06 2021 No.8155858 >>8155239 isn't it a lot easier to mod an xbox than it is for a 360?

Anonymous Mon Sep 20 04:01:34 2021 No.8155979

>>8155272
its not though is it, theres like 1/2 games people prefer on ps2 and 99% of multiplats run, load and look MUCH better on xbox, i had ps2 for yrs before switching and never looked back.

>>8155292
yeah and takes twice as long to load between stages.... 3 times if you run it from xbox drive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 04:13:57 2021 No.8155989 >>8154881 looks absolutely the same

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 10:50:04 2021 No.8156557 >>8155858 Yeah but it's a suicidal system that will still need some soldering skills in time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 10:53:10 2021 No.8156565 Anyone here with a Tualatin modded Xbox with double the clock speed and double the ram?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 11:46:41 2021 No.8156686 >>8156565 double clock speed fucks half the games

Anonymous Mon Sep 20 12:13:22 2021 No.8156754

>>8156686
Does it, though? Not saying you're wrong, but I don't think Xbox games would be as anal about timing as those for other or earlier platforms. They're made like Windows PC games. Most Windows games run fine with better than intended specs, usually with OS/API/driver changes as the culprit for incompatibility. Most of them had FPS caps anyway. I wanna see the compatibility list at double speed/RAM.

Anonymous Mon Sep 20 12:20:31 2021 No.8156772

>>8156754
>>8156686
https://github.com/N64-Freak/Xbox-CPU-interposer
>Downside of this is that retail games need to be patched to run at normal speeds again.
I see. Guess some games had speed tied to framerate. But that's so stupid if your game slows down, though, and I imagine some of these games ran too fast when they weren't as busy too. Reeks of jap-dev. Bet most the problem games are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 12:57:44 2021 No.8156868 >>8154315 No. Ties with the Neo Geo. Only reason why the Neo doesn't win, is because it lacked the custom chips of its rivals. If if had been capable of throwing polygons around, then it would be the undisputed god-emperor of retro consoles.

Anonymous Mon Sep 20 13:00:34 2021 No.8156879

>>8156772
For a moment I was really confused as to why this guy was making adapters for this upgrade. Turns out this mad man is putting full-sized desktop chips in these Xboxes!
Didn't even know that was possible. I remember the old Friendtech systems from 15 years ago just shoved a laptop chip in there with no further mods.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 13:08:55 2021 No.8156908 As others have stated, the video encoder is complete shit. Dreamcast and Gamecube are crystal clear, but Xbox is just blurry n64 quality video 90% of the time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 14:00:37 2021 No.8157129 >>8156868 Cool schizo post.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 14:28:21 2021 No.8157216 >>8156908 Mine's HDMI modded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 14:30:55 2021 No.8157223 >>8156868 >if the neo geo was good it would have been good

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 14:31:03 2021 No.8157224 File: 64 KB, 800x600, 1631591031972.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8155358 this guy gets it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 15:06:49 2021 No.8157414 >>8157216 It's a sampling issue rooted in the software of individual games that fucks things up. Even on a CRT, most games have a half pixel shift that results in severe ghosting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 15:09:41 2021 No.8157425 >>8154362 definitely not but they still managed to do some crazy stuff with it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 15:35:42 2021 No.8157525 >>8154315 >Is it really the strongest/most powerful retro console? Yes and 2nd place is GameCube. PS2 would've exploded trying tu run Morrowind, Kotor, resident evil zero and remake.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 16:41:59 2021 No.8157761 >>8154330 >Black and green as opposed to dull gray No.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 16:43:28 2021 No.8157772 >>8155358 >Fill rate Isn't this exactly what PS2 exceeded in? You need that to draw tons of alpha effects.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 17:16:17 2021 No.8157882 >>8156754 the best example i can give is rallisport challenge 2, its tied to processor and runs crzy fast with the mod.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 17:22:42 2021 No.8157906 >>8154542 why are snoys so fucking autistic? literally everyone knows the ps2 was the weakest in 6th gen. gamecube and xbox were more powerful, xbox by a long shot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 17:42:17 2021 No.8157954 File: 65 KB, 760x872, 20210802_180115.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8154330 Shit taste

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 18:31:48 2021 No.8158074 >this soulless piece of shit is retro Lmfao

Anonymous Mon Sep 20 18:49:28 2021 No.8158110

It's basically a Pentium III @ 733MHz similar to this CPU:
https://www.cpu-world.com/sspec/SL/SL5SN.html
But with a modified 8-way L2 cache. The GPU is an Nvidia NV2A and is based on the Nvidia kelvin Geforce 3 with some additional features . The system had 64MB DDR RAM? technically yes, the Xbox has more RAW horsepower under the hood than either the PS2 or GameCube.

Anonymous Mon Sep 20 19:29:28 2021 No.8158195

>>8155075
SIMD vector processing was better on the PS2 but it wouldn't have been enough to call it for the PS2. And it shouldn't have been that way, PowerPC on Macs were doing fine with that capability. It was Nintendo's shortsightedness again that led to cuts that made it being weak.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 19:32:40 2021 No.8158205 >>8154315 Yes, it shits all over the PS2, it's just only a few games really took advantage of it. The Splinter Cell games are good examples, Chaos Theory is like comparing a late N64 release to an early 360 release.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 19:53:04 2021 No.8158241 >>8157954 If the kind of person who likes how that shit looks also posts images like this, I'm glad they disagree with me. Disgusting attracts disgusting I guess.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 19:56:06 2021 No.8158246 File: 318 KB, 854x480, 9f28a95d-1841-450d-81a6-b2764662cbf6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8154542 >fake and gay

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 20:10:04 2021 No.8158280 >>8155174 BTFO. How do people keep shamelessly posting that quote?

Anonymous Mon Sep 20 20:12:29 2021 No.8158289
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>>8154956
>RE4 is literally the only example of a GameCube multiplat outperforming the PS2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsaOlmu3urA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0PesBn-5wQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbWLZ_AQVw4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v5NosQE8Tk

Nope.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 20 20:14:07 2021 No.8158295 >>8154542 >>8154817 >>8154825 >>8155043 >>8155174 I swear to god I saw this exact same word for word sequence of posts weeks ago

Anonymous Mon Sep 20 20:39:35 2021 No.8158361

>>8158110
>The GPU is an Nvidia NV2A and is based on the Nvidia kelvin Geforce 3 with some additional features

the NV2A in the Xbox is identical to the original GeForce 3 (NV20), but has 2 vertex shaders, while GeForce 3's have only 1 vertex shader. It puts the NV2A in a class closer to the GeForce 4 ti line of cards, as the GeForce 4 also has two vertex shaders.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce3.c738
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-nv2a.g401

Anonymous Mon Sep 20 20:52:37 2021 No.8158393
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I kinda miss how smooth and shiny things looked. Its not a unique look to the xbox but games tended to look that way compared to duller games on other platforms. If the devs could make the game shiny they would do it

Anonymous Tue Sep 21 00:01:20 2021 No.8158725

The Xbox was pretty damn stronk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDtKLmiGwj0

Keep in mind that the PS2 was already out on the market, and the GameCube had a release closer to the Xbox's. Microsoft really went out of their way to make sure the original Xbox was going to be powerful console. Though, it is not always 100% clear cut. the PS2 has a large fillrate and could do transparencies better than the Xbox. The GameCube has some pretty damn efficient hardware with a PowerPC CPU, and an ATi (ARTX) GPU, that probably could display about as many polygons as the Xbox. But the CPU is generally slower and more segregated memory. The GPU in the Wii is generally the same as the one in the GameGube, but clocked higher. The GameCube is no slouch. But Microsoft was shooting for the moon with the specs.

Anonymous Tue Sep 21 02:38:59 2021 No.8159026

>>8154357
>No because it couldn't run any ps2 exclusive that targets 60fps lol
A game being built for an asinine architecture not running as well on a system with a completely different (significantly more reasonable) architecture is not a boasting point for the former camp

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 02:41:58 2021 No.8159030 >>8159026 to call x86 more reasonable.... that's just survivor bias. x86 is so awful

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 02:43:08 2021 No.8159032 >>8159030 Anon, it literally is. Emotion Engine is convoluted trash that actively impeded serious game development unless they had good documentation. x86 made game development for the wide majority of devs significantly easier

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 02:44:12 2021 No.8159035 >>8159032 nah fuck x86

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 03:27:25 2021 No.8159105 >>8159032 >x86 made game development for the wide majority of devs significantly easier It's not just x86. It was also a combination of Direct X, and other development tools that made porting from Windows to Xbox incredibly easy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 03:39:29 2021 No.8159128 https://youtu.be/6Wn9J7AcN7o?t=23 https://youtu.be/JcoPWiwZ4kw?t=293 https://youtu.be/HvzH0H-BuDs?t=179

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 03:40:32 2021 No.8159129 >>8155021 no, that was entirely thanks to some crazy guy saying the saturn did 3d better than the 64 and PS

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 03:42:59 2021 No.8159132 >>8159128 PS2 BTFO

Anonymous Tue Sep 21 03:53:52 2021 No.8159154

>>8159128
max payne 2 in particular was one of the reasons i got an xbox after playing the ps2 version which is an abomination, loading times everywhere, looks shit, runs shit, absolute joke, its night and day on ps2 but i also found some other differences, max payne 1 is much much harder on xbox i assume cus its basically same as pc, theres definitely less leniency on auto aim and enemies are much much more accurate with the sole exception of one area which is harder on ps2 namely that corridor in last level with the rocket launcher guys but thats more to do with how hard it is to aim with the ps2 sticks. Max payne is still decent and playable on ps2 but it pales in comparison, it did have better audio balancing though weirdly. max payne 2 though is an abomination on ps2.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 03:54:57 2021 No.8159159 >>8158074 so soul = poor loading times, shitter graphics and lower framerate?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 03:55:12 2021 No.8159160 >>8154315 No because it is not retro.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 03:55:33 2021 No.8159161 Xbox is just a pc though. Owning one is ridiculous. A pc plays all it's games better natively

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 03:55:35 2021 No.8159162 >>8154315 Xbox is by far the most powerful console of the generation except for edge case games with unorthodox visual effects like Shadow of the Colossus.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 03:57:52 2021 No.8159167 >>8159161 Giving you a (You) just because I want to see what other (You)s people give you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 03:58:42 2021 No.8159169 >>8159167 how am I wrong though

Anonymous Tue Sep 21 04:05:15 2021 No.8159183

>>8159154
>max payne 1 is much much harder on xbox i assume cus its basically same as pc

In many ways, it is closer to the PC game, but still not 100% exact. Some levels are cut-up into smaller stages with loading in between them. Though interestingly enough. The PS2 version was re-released as an enhanced port on PSN.Which does run at 60fps and has a higher resolution and faster loading.

https://youtu.be/AIEMGopv3Bg?t=591

it still doesn't look as good as the PC original.

Anonymous Tue Sep 21 04:14:14 2021 No.8159194

Pretty good Max Payne 2 comparison:
https://youtu.be/nXagDYg0KZY?t=81

i remember the PS2 port being slammed pretty badly for running like garbage, and missing all sorts of lighting effects and other things. While the Xbox port of MP2 was revived favourably well. PC version is still the best looking version .

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 04:28:25 2021 No.8159204 >>8159030 I don't think it's the instruction set that's the issue. The PS2 is weird, regardless of isa.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 04:32:12 2021 No.8159206 >>8159204 The instruction set of the VUs sure is an issue lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 04:33:06 2021 No.8159208 is a hard drive mandatory for an xbox? I can't just use a memory card?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 04:38:52 2021 No.8159218 >>8159208 The Xbox has memory cards, but a hard drive is required for operation. The hard drive is built-in.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 04:41:10 2021 No.8159225 How can it be the strongest if it cant even output 240p? Wii outranks it for that alone. Most of us dont have PVM's

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 04:45:34 2021 No.8159230 >>8159208 If you have a TSOP (or modchip?) console it can boot without a hard drive but some games won't play because they use the HDD as extra memory.

Anonymous Tue Sep 21 04:56:04 2021 No.8159239

>>8159169
Because it's not just a PC and the emulation of it still needs work. It was a unique device at the time that filled a niche it wasn't even trying to. Once you hacked it you could run emulators and use it as a media center. The kinds of things you would do with something like nvidia shield tv boxes these days. I think Microsoft realized this which is why they added more media functionality in future consoles. You can even install retroarch and kodi on their newest consoles.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 04:57:27 2021 No.8159241 >>8159208 You could use an adapter for a SSD or maybe even a SD card if you want to eliminate the hard drive. You should have something the console thinks is a "hard drive" though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 05:54:50 2021 No.8159292 >>8159241 It's a lot easier to do this with a TSOP or modchipped console because the console expects it to be locked with a HDD key otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 06:10:53 2021 No.8159312 File: 163 KB, 2080x1200, nintendorks.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8154315 Yes. Source: Its the only console from it's generation that had Doom3 and HL2 ports.

Anonymous Tue Sep 21 06:57:07 2021 No.8159383

>>8159183
yeah theres lots of min differences, another one between xbox and ps2 that actually matters strategically is the lift in the late game where you look up and have to take out the trip wires as the life ascends? on the ps2 you can enter the lift and snipe them all before moving the lift as the loasding screen is earlier, on xbox the loading screen is on entry so you have to do it with a moving lift which is much harder and tends to make you use the grenade gun which then drains that for the next bit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 06:58:08 2021 No.8159384 >>8159161 this is the dumbest fucking shit ive ever read on VR and thats going some

Anonymous Tue Sep 21 07:03:41 2021 No.8159395
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>>8154315
It's so strong no one even wants to bother emulating it. As a result Conker Live and Reloaded remains forever trapped on that piece of shit. Imagine the mods and enhancements you could do on PC... Or ripping out the 3D model of Miss Sunflower for SFM porn.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 07:04:41 2021 No.8159397 Why are snoys so threatened by the Xbox?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 07:55:04 2021 No.8159464 >>8159128 Turok Evolution was originally a GCN exclusive and had it stayed that way it would've been a better game. The PS2 gimped a lot of multiplat games from that generation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 08:26:03 2021 No.8159494 should I buy this or is it just a meme?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 08:28:20 2021 No.8159495 >>8157129 >>8157223 >when you're both gay and retarded beyond comprehension

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 08:28:57 2021 No.8159496 >>8159494 It's piracy friendly so if you can find a list of games you're interested in playing, as in enough to fill up a hard drive, maybe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 08:40:32 2021 No.8159512 >>8158295 because every time this topic comes up there's one (1) single autist who posts his burnout meme image screaming GAMECUBE BTFO

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 09:58:54 2021 No.8159615 >>8154315 IMO the best thing the Xbox had going for it was the modding scene. I used it primarily as a media center (xbmc) and emulation box.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 10:13:03 2021 No.8159631 >>8159397 sonys marketing is on par with nintendos and mcdonalds at creating absolute retard fanatics for its brand that no longer think critically and are subverted into emotional responses thus easy to sell then an inferior product.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 10:42:50 2021 No.8159674 >>8159395 >It's so strong no one even wants to bother emulating it. That would require reverse engineering a Pentium III. and Nvidia graphics card. The best way to make it work is to run it in a compatibility layer with current hardware.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 10:52:30 2021 No.8159689 >>8159225 supposedly the video encoder is capable of outputting 240p but no one has gotten their hands on the instructions how to enable that in a custom bios. and probably never will. it's real shame.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 12:35:55 2021 No.8159910 >>8159218 >>8159230 >>8159241 Can you play help me run it without a hard drive without modding it? I can't figure it out man. I just wanna play. I can't do this stuff. I'm gonna have to replace the disc drive soon too

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 13:19:21 2021 No.8160052 so there's no way for my xbox to work with my persona 4 disc?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 15:29:55 2021 No.8160446 >Have to buy a memory card with a gamertag to play PSO Fuck this;?!!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 15:42:11 2021 No.8160481 Does Xbox have a single racing game that looks at least as good as Gran Turismo 4 and runs at 60 FPS?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 15:42:45 2021 No.8160484 >>8160481 Don't be an asshole

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 15:46:47 2021 No.8160495 >>8159674 >Pentium 3 A CPU on a well-known instruction set already in wide use? Why? Do you really need to emulate its internals when you can just run a lot of its code natively? Even if not native, it's not some alien architecture like Geforce is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 15:48:36 2021 No.8160498 >>8160484 I take that as a no, no?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 15:50:45 2021 No.8160509 >>8160495 It depends on how accurate you want to be. Microarchitecturally it's a complete black box and all the timing would be hard to get right. Hopefully games don't need that level of accuracy, but you never know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 15:52:47 2021 No.8160515 >>8159910 pls respond

Anonymous Tue Sep 21 16:00:27 2021 No.8160535

>>8160509
>Hopefully games don't need that level of accuracy, but you never know.
Probably a minority, if any. x86 CPU's are supposed to be deterministic with everything but a few specified float operations, and Microsoft development tools tend to only offer tons of abstractions anyway.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 16:01:22 2021 No.8160540 Why is xbox so hard to emulate? Shouldn't it be native? When I upgrade my cpu and gpu I don't need to emulate my old games Also I can still play old 90s pc games on my modern pc from a 90s Cd

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 16:02:39 2021 No.8160547 >>8160540 >When I upgrade my cpu and gpu I don't need to emulate my old games API's

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 16:05:34 2021 No.8160559 >>8154391 I've heard Xbox emulation never took off because there are barely any exclusives.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 16:14:33 2021 No.8160594 >>8160559 10x as many exclusives as the Xbox One, and the exclusives they do have are bueno

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 16:15:32 2021 No.8160597 >>8160594 doesn't compare to ps2. Not sure why any company tried to compete with sony

Anonymous Tue Sep 21 16:16:31 2021 No.8160598

>>8159512
It's funny because the GameCube had 2 burnout running on the same Renderware engine , the difference is that 3 has an algorithm that stream geometry data for the track directly from the DVD . All the crash scenes are 30fps .

Sonic Heroes also make use of a Renderware engine and the PS2 version runs with half the frame rate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 16:18:39 2021 No.8160602 >>8160597 Because Sony a shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 16:19:52 2021 No.8160608 >>8160602 sony a goat. Ps2 has every game you could ever want

Anonymous Tue Sep 21 16:20:59 2021 No.8160615

>>8160598
Have you played Burnout 2 and Burnout 3 back to back? The difference is night and day. Physics, collision detection, modelling, particle effects... all of those things depending heavily on the PS2's vector capabilities, which the Gamecube stinks at.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 16:21:53 2021 No.8160616 >>8154881 Now do Doom 3 on PS2 and Cube.... OH RIGHT.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 16:23:56 2021 No.8160620 >>8160608 Can't even name one fun game that somebody else doesn't already have

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 16:24:19 2021 No.8160621 >>8154315 >basically a pc >can't do vga out >dreamcast could Lol what the fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 16:24:40 2021 No.8160624 >>8160621 It can but you need to fuck with the BIOS IIRC

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 16:33:12 2021 No.8160643 >>8160624 I'll fuck up your bios if you don't recall correctly. Tell me how to do it. tell me how to play my xbox without a hard drive

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 16:46:29 2021 No.8160691 File: 9 KB, 214x235, 09u235.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8154542 >ninbros...our only gamecube cope >GameCube>ps2 >debunked

Anonymous Tue Sep 21 17:00:45 2021 No.8160756

>>8158289
Multiplatform games does not prove that a console is more powerful.
Multiplatform just proves how lazy or unskilled developers really are, since the ps2 were the hardest console to develop games.
No way Xbox or Gamecube is able to handle FF12, MGS3, GoW2, Gt4, Soc, Soul calibur 3...without downgrades.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 17:10:24 2021 No.8160773 >>8160756 Lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 17:59:26 2021 No.8160921 >>8154315 This thing has no jrpgs or hidden gems whatsoever

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 18:05:56 2021 No.8160949 >No dq8 >no ff12 >no windows VNs What was microsoft thinking

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 18:28:14 2021 No.8161051 >>8160756 None of those are impressive games, lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 18:37:22 2021 No.8161073 >>8160949 >>8160921 xbox has no games

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 18:38:58 2021 No.8161082 >>8161073 It had better games, mostly by being Dreamcast 2

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 18:44:38 2021 No.8161104 File: 276 KB, 792x1011, drihoo1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8160921

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 18:45:45 2021 No.8161110 >>8161082 >>8161082 it wasn't dreamcast 2. Ps2 got more sega games . Can't beat sega ages Xbox didn't even get skies of arcadia

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 18:47:39 2021 No.8161120 so how do I hard mod my xbox? What's a cheap chip nowadays? Softmodding seems like too much a compromise and soldering is easy

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 18:48:19 2021 No.8161127 >>8161110 As with everything Sony related, they get more games, but none of the ones that mattered

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 18:51:58 2021 No.8161141 >>8161127 and you still don't get persona 4 or dq8 or ff12 Sad

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 18:53:55 2021 No.8161149 >>8161141 Thank god

Anonymous Tue Sep 21 19:01:49 2021 No.8161164

>>8161073
>>8160949
>>8160921
lmfao rpg faggots, you guys are the most pathetic humans in existence you no skill skinny fats with social defecit twtting around spaz forest with potions and FWENDS to slay some gay mushroom with wings avoiding real life like the plague

loser fucks.,

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 19:02:51 2021 No.8161169 >>8160608 >Ps2 has every game you could ever want with dodgy framerates, poor loading times

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 19:04:59 2021 No.8161173 >>8161169 name 5

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 19:05:27 2021 No.8161176 >>8161169 Ps2 games are mostly 60 fps

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 19:18:59 2021 No.8161215 >>8161164 I'm an xbox fan and I genuinely wish we got those jrpgs. At least something like dq8 or smt 3. Something actually doable as a multiplat Wish my xbox had more variety

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 19:19:47 2021 No.8161219 >>8160756 Jesus I can't imagine still being this much of a brain-dead Snoy 20 years later. I was a GameCube guy and I still admit the Xbox was more powerful.

Anonymous Tue Sep 21 19:23:28 2021 No.8161236

Yes
>>8154357
>Konami cheaped out on their MG2S and SH2 ports means PS2 better
Nope
>>8154391
>are very close contenders,
Nope. PS2 could throw around framebuffer effects real fast and that's about it.
>>8154446
Considering this is about OG XBOX and not 3shitty I suggest >>>/v/

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 19:24:33 2021 No.8161239 >>8154315 PS3

Anonymous Tue Sep 21 19:28:36 2021 No.8161256

>>8161215
>I'm an xbox fan and I genuinely wish we got those jrpgs. At least something like dq8 or smt 3. Something actually doable as a multiplat
>Wish my xbox had more variety

Back then, Microsoft tried to get as many japanese third parties on their machine as possible. But the Japanese market was not receptive of the original Xbox. Which left Japanese developers to make more western oriented games for the system. The Japanese were buying the PS2 and GameCube.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 19:29:34 2021 No.8161258 >>8161256 I'm japanese and I bought xbox and 3do

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 19:35:35 2021 No.8161278 >>8161258 >I'm japanese and I bought xbox and 3do Neat. Did the Xbox actually sell well? I heard the 3DO had a reputation for visual novels in Japan and does have a pretty big library of Japanese only games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 19:38:51 2021 No.8161286 >>8161278 just kidding I am not japanese anymore

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 19:39:52 2021 No.8161292 >japanese consider this the shmup console >literally only 3 mediocre shmups on it

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 20:48:46 2021 No.8161537 >>8160547 If it's all DirectX then why not just execute the API calls on the host machine?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 21 22:53:31 2021 No.8161828 >>8159208 Games like Phantasy Star Online require a Xbox Live Gamer Tag on a Memory card to work. FYI

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 00:45:32 2021 No.8162031 >>8161828 but I need to forgo a hard drive my friend

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 02:08:38 2021 No.8162163 >>8161120 There's no point modchipping when you can TSOP these days

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 02:09:46 2021 No.8162164 >>8161537 incompatible shaders

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 02:09:50 2021 No.8162165 >>8162163 sounds like a pain. I don't want to deal with any bullshit. Just want to modchip and have everything else be plug and play

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 03:54:39 2021 No.8162301 >>8154542 >shifting topic to avoid the asspain of the PS2 being worse than the Xbox Typical Snoytranny.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 04:08:41 2021 No.8162324 >>8154881 turok and sonic were ass on ps2

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 05:06:45 2021 No.8162394 >>8162165 then your xbox will remain as untouched as you

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 05:14:41 2021 No.8162409 File: 24 KB, 385x385, 1631781580698.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] From what I could tell, pretty much every multiplat release's Xbox version usually ran the best.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 08:14:34 2021 No.8162626 >>8162324 They were ass in general so no big loss.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 08:22:51 2021 No.8162653 personally i love using the og Xbox with the Upgraded ram mod to be able to play video and emualate consoles :D

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 08:40:03 2021 No.8162672 >>8162165 you sound retarded, the soft mod is easy as fuck, you can even buy the kits with the game needed as apackage

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 09:09:12 2021 No.8162712 >>8161073 Yeah the XBOX has games. Halo, Halo 2, and many more.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 11:31:13 2021 No.8162958 >>8162672 The soft mod is still a compromise if you want to do anything more than play games off a drive and if you care for longevity

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 11:32:13 2021 No.8162961 >>8162394 >>8162672 The soft mod is literally more work and money than soldering a chip and you get way less functionality

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 14:48:31 2021 No.8163553 >>8161537 It's not just DirectX. There are some important differences, and there are tons of other software API's you can't just port around.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 16:25:46 2021 No.8163962 >ps4 gets a good emulator before xbawks whoa

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 16:28:26 2021 No.8163973 >tfw xbox disc drive and hard drive are broken Can I play games over just the network link and connect it to another machine that supplies the iso

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 16:33:31 2021 No.8164005 File: 461 KB, 1200x655, 1200px-Sega-dreamcast-set.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >this right here because I'm not a faggot

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 16:36:45 2021 No.8164025 >>8154542 >literally muh burnout 3, every single fucking time

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 17:41:24 2021 No.8164326 >>8163962 Liar >>8164005 Holy based

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 17:42:50 2021 No.8164329 File: 124 KB, 1920x1080, hueg liek xbawks.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8154330

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 18:03:23 2021 No.8164383 >>8164025 >Black >Shadow of the Colossus >Gran Turismo 4 >Okami >Zone of the Enders 2 Many examples of PS2 games completely showing up the underpowered and disappointing GameCube.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 20:17:10 2021 No.8164738 >>8164383 Half Life is a good game

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 20:26:47 2021 No.8164771 >>8164738 I like it too, I'm gonna try the ps2 version.

Anonymous Wed Sep 22 20:39:14 2021 No.8164809

>>8164329
the xbox is way better to handle than the ps5. The ps5 is so inconvenient in both shape and design and size and weight.
God it's fucking trash. I can't even shift the thing an inch without it falling off it's fucking horizontal stand..the back is all scratched up now too. And it's weaker than a gaming pc from 5 years ago while being more expensive.
I fucking hate sony console designs

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 20:41:32 2021 No.8164817 >>8154315 I really wish they went with a pop top design for the discs

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 21:37:31 2021 No.8164976 File: 49 KB, 800x600, playstation2devkit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8164809 >I fucking hate sony console designs 2 was peak console design.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 21:39:40 2021 No.8164986 >>8164976 seen too many of these break to agree

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 22:16:46 2021 No.8165064 >>8154315 >making it a dvd player instead of a cd player which means they have to pay sony Why would microsoft even do this

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 22:41:43 2021 No.8165140 >>8165064 Because CD is slow. DVD is around 10-15 times faster.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 22:43:43 2021 No.8165142 >>8165140 nah man it's not worth it. They should have used cds and video cds. Now sony continues to have a total monopoly. Cds are way cooler than dvd too. More authentic

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 22:52:10 2021 No.8165164 >>8164976 >a black rectangle A-fucking-mazing, NO ONE'S done that before, EVER.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 22:52:39 2021 No.8165167 >>8165140 >>8165064 >xbox has the cd logo printed on it >Its ames all use dvd

Anonymous Wed Sep 22 23:01:41 2021 No.8165202

>>8165142
>More authentic
Not sure what you mean by that, but I think Xbox using a CD player would be a good thing. My idea is it should've had a bigger HDD capacity, like a 16GB removable HDD that could easily be swapped with any generic 3.5 SATA HDD without removing any screw, and you would have to load the games from the HDD rather than the disc. Like a PC, the CD would only be used for FMVs, music, non WAV sound effects like character speech, and DRM checking. 16GB would be good enough for installing like 8-24 games. That's not plentiful, but considering consoles nowadays like the XBox series S only have 1TB of storage even though modern games could reach over 150GB in size, I think it would suffice.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 23:03:42 2021 No.8165208 >>8165202 maybe they wanted it to feel less like a pc or were worried they'd look out of touch using old tech Using cds probably would have helped make the xbox cheaper to sell and at least they aren't lining songs pockets

Anonymous Wed Sep 22 23:05:59 2021 No.8165218

>>8154315
I got the PS2 as my first console and didn't get the xbox until the 360 was near launch.
Toys'R'us were clearing them out for $25 new.
I must say after playing the PS2 for years I found the xbox had way better graphics.
And I also loved it's early softmodding scene. Xbmc the precursor to kodi and retroarch were huge on the xbox and along with installing a bigger hdd kept me engaged for years.
Great console.
Loved oddworld strangers wrath, Baldur's Gate dark horizons 1+2, and of course the halo series on it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 23:08:00 2021 No.8165226 >>8165167 Why does the Xbox boast about CD playability but there's no DVD logo on it

Anonymous Wed Sep 22 23:26:53 2021 No.8165292
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>>8165226
Dvd to play movies was encrypted and licensed. A remote control and dongle which was licensed to play dvd movies from the disc player was released after launch.
Sony owned the licensing to dvd movies hence it was a feature on the PS2

Anonymous Wed Sep 22 23:34:27 2021 No.8165312

>>8160615

https://youtu.be/Ws3nbSve1qI

https://youtu.be/IpJW8BC8Kx0

https://youtu.be/9FdN8s_-ptg

https://youtu.be/uGlPbtst66I

Sure stinks buddy, also game cube had a port of the Xbox game cel damage with the same physx engine and REAl cel shading with toonification and palletization that the PS2 could not do due to lacking a hardware TMU .

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 22 23:40:39 2021 No.8165330 >>8163973 anybody?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 00:05:35 2021 No.8165383 >>8165312 so which of these videos is supposed to disagree with any of the things I mentioned

Anonymous Thu Sep 23 00:11:24 2021 No.8165396

>>8159395
Outdated information buddy. Check out XEMU, it's made a ton of progress over the last two or three years. Some games still aren't all the way there yet, like Blinx, but it's working well for things like Jet Set Radio Future, Conker, DOAX, and TimeSplitters 2.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 00:15:25 2021 No.8165406 >>8165208 Well it would be cheaper, but not significantly. The most expensive parts in the xbox are the NV2A GPU and pentium 3.

Anonymous Thu Sep 23 09:13:24 2021 No.8166184
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>>8165383
All examples of particles effects, F-zero GX in particularly throw a shit ton of not only particles but post processing effects on screen with impecable rock solid frame rate and at much higher insane geometry draw speeds!
Also Luigi Mansion alone has more complex particles, physics ,polygon deformation and a dust engine that took 6 months to be completed that put even recent modern games to shame! Cam you show me an example of realistic dust or smoke like this on PS2?

Anonymous Thu Sep 23 09:39:55 2021 No.8166241

>>8166184
>F-zero GX
>post processing effects
It has no such thing. It is also lacking any lighting, as the GameCube was well known to be very deficient with lighting in comparison to the more powerful PS2 or xBox hardware. It's a very basic game visually, relying on very simple rendering in order to achieve fast frame rates, a technique the Dreamcast had been pioneering years earlier with games such as Crazy Taxi and Sonic Adventure 2, the latter of which, might I remind you, has far better lighting on the Dreamcast than on the GameCube.
>Cam you show me an example of realistic dust or smoke like this on PS2?
https://youtu.be/P1gpX0_HCPs
The particle and post processing effects in this game are of nearly next-generational quality by comparison to anything ever seen on the GameCube.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 09:47:26 2021 No.8166267 >>8166241 >the more powerful PS2 lol that delusion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 09:47:44 2021 No.8166268 >>8165406 Ok sonyshill. Xbox should have been a pop up design and cds only

Anonymous Thu Sep 23 10:08:25 2021 No.8166330

>>8166267
>delusion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adXe2VK3qpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Osnm7kbZDxA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMKtYM8AzC8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpKLwIIdvuk
It's funny how the supposedly "more powerful" GameCube seems to consistently be outperformed by the one year older PS2.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 10:09:54 2021 No.8166335 >>8166330 >shadow of the 5fps >god of screentearing and dropped frames lol

Anonymous Thu Sep 23 10:27:31 2021 No.8166364

>>8166335
>dismissing obvious evidence of the PS2 outperforming the GameCube several times
>not offering any examples to the contrary that aren't RE4 (because they do not exist)
If Shadow of the Colossus ran any smoother, it would be competitive with xBox 360 games. The PS2 may be powerful, easily much more powerful than the GameCube, but it is certainly not as powerful as the xBox 360, or even the original xBox, for that matter.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 10:28:32 2021 No.8166367 >>8166364 >If Shadow of the Colossus ran any smoother, it would be competitive with xBox 360 games Utterly unhinged levels of delusion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 11:16:02 2021 No.8166476 >>8166335 Top kek Wind Waker also did HDR and tons of other impressive effects like SOTC but with a much better framerate!

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 11:24:49 2021 No.8166495 File: 579 KB, 1080x1591, IMG_20210923_122249.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8166330 > Okami not real cel shading > God of semi fixed camera > Shadow of Power Pointossus > The not so real driving simulator

Anonymous Thu Sep 23 11:27:47 2021 No.8166503

>>8166476
Is this a joke? Half the assets in Wind Waker are damn near textureless, which was a deliberate choice to make up for the GameCube's "distinctive" shitty texture quality. It does have lighting effects, I'll grant you that, but at the cost of almost everything else visually, thanks to the deficient GameCube hardware which constantly struggles with lighting. Okami almost looks next generational by comparison.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 11:31:03 2021 No.8166507 My xbox is loud as fuck, can I just remove the fans

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 11:43:37 2021 No.8166526 >>8166507 Lots of youtube tutorials on replacing the fan if you want. Not sure about removing it outright and letting it go full passive

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 11:57:57 2021 No.8166557 >>8166526 I don't really feel like replacing it. I've read the gpu can run passively and in fact later revisions of xbox have no gpu fan

Anonymous Thu Sep 23 12:09:41 2021 No.8166591
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>>8166503

Wut? WW has more than 4000 unique textures !

Please take a time to actually aknowledge about the game technical perspective

https://polycount.com/discussion/104415/zelda-wind-waker-tech-and-texture-analysis-picture-heavy

https://medium.com/@gordonnl/wind-waker-graphics-analysis-a0b575a31127

https://youtu.be/mnxs6CR6Zrk

Anonymous Thu Sep 23 12:17:52 2021 No.8166618

>>8166184
Not the same sort of particle effects at all. Burnout 3 procedurally generates meshes for the sparks between clashing vehicles. These effects even look better on PS2 than Xbox since the PS2's vertex processor is fully programmable, while the Xbox uses a more restricted but faster shader architecture.
Gamecube couldn't do something like that because it lacks programmable vertex processing altogether.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 12:19:15 2021 No.8166624 why are we debating the graphical capabilities of outdated hardware when nobody on /vr/ could possibly give less of a shit about graphics

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 12:20:03 2021 No.8166628 >>8166335 Show their performance on xbox

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 12:20:32 2021 No.8166631 >>8166628 It's made by japan studio what are you even trying to say

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 12:25:03 2021 No.8166652 >>8166631 >I-I can't This is why xboxtards are the laughing stock of gaming, you mock what you don't have

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 12:28:46 2021 No.8166668 >>8166652 Man Sony fanboys are just the worst in every thread. This board should stop at 4th gen

Anonymous Thu Sep 23 12:40:47 2021 No.8166713

>>8166668
I'm inclined to agree. They've been shitposting nonstop the moment the PSX was allowed making the same "I hate other game" threads over and over and over again for years. This is an xbox thread and he wont stop whining about the gamecube like wtf is this guy's problem?

Anonymous Thu Sep 23 12:43:27 2021 No.8166720

>>8166713
nintendo u ironically lives rent free in their deranged brains and sadly microsoft and sega threads are caught in the crossfire
I'd be totally okay with losing xbox, dreamcast, and saturn discussion if it meant we lost these fucking obnoxious sonyfans

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 12:47:13 2021 No.8166730 >>8166668 >AAAAAAA STOP ARGUING BACK

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 12:51:24 2021 No.8166746 >>8166730 You're renting about how the gamecube sucks in an xbox thread. Gotta Get a grip

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 12:53:23 2021 No.8166750 >>8166720 >>8166713 >>8166668 >Sony fanboy accusations >>8166364 >admits the PS2 is not as powerful as the xBox Which one is it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 12:54:22 2021 No.8166756 >>8166750 I just can't care man

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 13:03:28 2021 No.8166786 >>8166746 Did it not occur to you that a fan of the xBox might not like Nintendo?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 13:04:04 2021 No.8166792 >>8166786 who cares

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 13:05:49 2021 No.8166794 >>8166668 Where were you thinking the conversation you were bringing would go with a post as stupid and low effort as this >>8166335

Anonymous Thu Sep 23 13:09:55 2021 No.8166816

>>8154502
about two years ago me any my bro managed to get Phantasy star online working on dream cast again when some fans turned a private server back online. it was the most fun i had in years. we both neglected our familys for about 2 days before we had to get back to life. it was the most nostalgic thing ive ever done. FurFighters and D2 are my two fav dreamcast games

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 23 13:10:51 2021 No.8166818 >>8166794 not me and that isn't the root of the reply chain either, it's a cherry pick

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