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ITT: biggest mess ups in Retro Remakes

>> No.8132792

>>8132634
the doormat is cool, the mushroom has vague artistic weight, the doorknot is entirely irrelevant

get a girlfriend

>> No.8132854

serious sam remake makes all enemies bouncy like walls made of butter, which is objectively worse for the gameplay and annoying

>> No.8132868

>>8132634
A true remake would be a game that reprograms and recreates the entire game from scratch in a way that results in zero detectable differences from the original.
A waste of time, you say? Not so. This was the ideal that home conversions were striving toward in the pre-emulation era. Actually achieving it would be an example of supreme craftsmanship and creative skill.
I do not think it has actually happened, though, which is fine.

>> No.8132873

>spiderweb doormat
That's moss, brough.

>> No.8133017

>>8132868
https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/sega-ages-virtua-racing-switch/

>> No.8133021

>>8133017
One of the two actually worthwhile Switch games. The other being The Ninja Warriors remake.

>> No.8133073

>>8132868
Diablo II: Resurrected will exist in less than 2 weeks.

>> No.8133086

>>8133021

imagine being this much of a fucking faggot lmao

>> No.8133139

>>8132634
Based and unironically true

>> No.8133192

>>8132634
>spiderweb doormat
I finally understand now. Soul/soulless fags are just retarded

>> No.8133504

>>8133073
That has all new graphics. Pretty detectable difference there.

>> No.8133508

>>8132634
>ITT: A parody of the Soul vs. Soulless remake memes that /vr/ will unfortunately not realise it's satire and begin agreeing with it

>> No.8133514

Why did they remove the mushroom?

>> No.8133515

>>8133021
I have that on PS4

>> No.8135440

>>8132634
THEY CHANGED THE CURTAIN OMG THEY RUINED IT IM SO FUCKING MAD!!!!!!!!! ITS RUINED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>> No.8135468

>>8135440
That curtain knot was the only reason i bought ocarina of time

>> No.8135470

>>8132634
I think right looks better desu.

>> No.8135496
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>>8132634
The moon in FFIV Pixel Remaster looks like total shit.

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>>8132634
this is the worst offender I can think of
it's marketed as a remake yet looks objectively WORSE in almost every regard.

>> No.8135761

>>8135496
Cernel Jonson, I presume.

>> No.8135883

>>8135632
I'm convinced.

>> No.8136156
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>> No.8136164

>>8136156
>flower tits censored
lmao
also im a zoomer so the cloth is sexier anyways

>> No.8136286

>>8132868
>A true remake would be a game that reprograms and recreates the entire game from scratch in a way that results in zero detectable differences from the original
Dude, that's called a "remaster". Remake is essentially a fancy way of saying "reboot". Look at shit like Resident Evil 2-3 and Final Fantasy 7 Remakes: different games only loosely based on original ones.
What you're describing are remasters, like Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy and Full Throttle Remastered.

>> No.8136690
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>>8132868
G-Darius HD got close to what you looking for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6Xh7ehNRt0

>> No.8136695

>>8135632
I'm fond of the original DC version as it was my first game for the system, but I don't think the GC version looks worse, just equally bad in a different way.

>> No.8136717

>>8136690
>console ports
dropped

>> No.8136746
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>>8136286
"Remaster" is rarely used with any accuracy in videogame re-releases beyond a bastardized marketing buzzword, as it's a more marketable term than the more accurate "enhanced port".

Remastering, as used originally in the film and music industries, would imply going back to the original workfiles to generate new higher fidelity assets to take advantage of higher state-of-the-art output specs. This is almost never the case with videogames for anything beyond the code and suchlike, and the improved visuals that usually comprise the selling points of the "remaster" are often created by scratch in the best case scenario, or just upscaled in the worst.

>> No.8136760

>>8135632
I think this is just to do with the lighting not being translatable to the GC, similar to the other DC to GC games

>> No.8136763

>>8136760
that's the tip of the iceberg, SADX is fucked up in so many ways

>> No.8136770

>>8136763
well sure, but both games are pretty buggy but I think this thread is about the graphics

>> No.8136778

>>8132634
could just aswell put any remake here

>> No.8136781

>>8136760
>lighting not being translatable
It's clearly a conscious, if misguided, thing to make the game more vibrant. The DC shader models are WAY more simple than the GC's or even the PS2's

>> No.8136784

>>8136778
This being /vr/ yeah, it would be pretty safe to assume anything but the original version of anything will be literally S O V L E S S

>> No.8136795

>>8136286
no what he is asking for is a perfect port

>>8132868
>>8136690
>>8133017
such a thing is called a port

>> No.8137245
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>>8132634
Found this one on Steam just a few days ago, I hate it.

>> No.8137249
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>>8135632
There's an incredibly autistic website listing all the miniscule differences between the OG Sonic Adventure and its ports, worth a read if you're bored:
https://dreamcastify.unreliable.network/

>> No.8137253

>>8132634
So what this a poison the well shill trying to deflect from Bliz ruining another game through a remaster?

>> No.8137351

>>8136695
In my opinion, the difference between SA and SADX is that the original looks like a technically impressive 1998 game, while SADX looks like a technically mediocre 2003 game (especially the further botched PC port, which is what every future re-release is based on). I wouldn't say the visual style of the original game is anything special, but the technical elements that make it up really did feel like something appropriate for a flagship launch title of a system at the time.

The 2003 port/remake just feels like a lazy attempt at updating the visuals to more "modern" standards, especially when most of the visual upgrades seem to have been added to compensate for the technical difficulties the staff had in porting over the game to the Gamecube. It's all just so half-assed, and it shows.

>> No.8137354

>>8137245
This has to be fake

>> No.8137362

>>8135632
The right side panels with the bright lights, vivid colors, and slender models look way better than the left with its over shaded darkness and fat retarded sonic

>> No.8137364

>>8137245
Just bought it 80% off. I like it.

>> No.8137374

>>8137362
Those aren't bright lights; it's just plain unlit because SADX stripped the lighting system of the original down to the core. That last image is supposed to be at night ffs

>> No.8137379

>>8137374
and yet it looks better? wtf? The left screenshots are a dark mess, I would have to turn my brightness up on my TV to play. Why are people saying the right looks worse?

>> No.8137383

>>8137379
(You)

>> No.8137391

>>8137383
I'm being 100% serious, I absolutely prefer the right to the left in that picture.

>> No.8137395

>>8137391
Not him, but you're gonna have a hard time trying to separate the idea that more shading = better shading. It's all they've got

>> No.8137407

>>8137391
You know, fair enough. The daytime stuff isn't too offensive in that area of the game desu, but I still think the nighttime lighting was handled absolutely poorly.

>> No.8137456

>>8133017
In-house Model 1 emulator.

>> No.8137481

>>8132634
Kinda mixed desu but the right runs at 30fps which makes the experience so much better
>>8135496
Every FF remaster looks like ass how do they keep fucking it up
>>8135632
They both look like ass but the one on the right doesn't have fucked up teeth during cutscenes
>>8136156
Never played either but from the footage I've seen some of the textures on the remake look amazing. That being said I can see the argument for either
>>8137245
what the fuck

Also inb4 some retard shows up and argues original RE1 looks better then the remake because it doesn't have the retarded color scheme

>> No.8137521

>>8137245
It's how the game looked in my mind lol

>> No.8139207
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>> No.8139235

>>8135496
The worst thing they did in these games, that I've never heard anyone criticize, is make arrows unlimited. Game breaking stuff.

>> No.8139238

>>8137481
Well they re-used assets from the GBA version IIRC.

>> No.8139293

>>8139207
It's like they specifically sought out to make the most soulless remake they could

>> No.8139323

moar

>> No.8139325

>>8139238
Lol, I just realized he replied to multiple Anons, I was referring to the FFIV remake.

>> No.8139330

>>8135496
Guys, the image on the right is scaled and has CRT-Royale filter on it, plz don't think this is what the game looks like. It's just supposed to show that by making the moon look more like the moon, they ruined the aesthetic of the original game. Woulda been neat if they gave the party space helmets in the Pixel Remaster...

>> No.8139339

>>8137456
are you sure? all the info i can find on it says they were working from the original source code. if it's just an emulator why are there enhancements to the arcade version?

>> No.8139392

>>8132868
I would like to iterate on this by noting that the true supreme example would be re-creating a game accurately, with no detectable differences, re-drawing all graphics and programming new code WITHOUT access to the code of the original.
This would be miraculous, but it would be the ultimate ideal achievement with regards to the work done on home ports where the best they had was maybe access to the arcade version which they then had to re-create.

>> No.8139395

>>8139207
The background artist was the company president's son.

>> No.8139410

>>8132868
Bionic Commando Rearmed does about as good of a job at what you're describing as anything probably ever will.

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>>8139410
Not enough apparently: https://codiekitty.com/File/BCR/index.htm

>> No.8139429

>>8135632
>>8133017
How the fuck are these considered remakes?

>> No.8139434

>>8136746
You could consider some romhacks remasters then

>> No.8139436

>>8132634
>Retro Remakes
These in general are just cringe and garbage.

>> No.8139602

>>8135632
Never had a Dreamcast so I only played the Gamecube version. It makes me sad that I actually missed out. I had no idea how bad some of the GC textures and lighting was for the DX version.

>> No.8139614

>>8132792
>get a girlfriend
will you be my gf?

>> No.8139616

>>8136156
I came to the flower before. Yes, my life is full of regret

>> No.8139620

>>8139616
>Yes, my life is full of regret
but that's not one of them

>> No.8139676

>>8132634
The biggest fuck up is of course the ice cavern where you get the iron boots.

>>8135632
Christ, how do you even turn a game oozing with so much SOUL and turn it into a lifeless corpse?

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>>8132634

>> No.8140378

>>8132792
fpbp

>> No.8140405

>>8139207
kirby's adventure is unironically the only game i can say is 100% superior to the remake in every way

you could make a case for superstar being better than superstar ultra but that one has extra content so whatever

adventure plays excellently and is a beautiful game. there's no reason to play the gba remake

>> No.8140407

>>8133021
Retard

>> No.8140465
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>>8140405
The 3DS remake is pretty good (I'd consider it a remake since it was recoded from the ground up). If you ever wanted to play the NES version without the inconveniences caused by slowdown, this is basically that.

>> No.8140526

>>8132868
There's a guy attempting to do this on Youtube and it's a waste of effort. He's literally redesigning visual interpretations in HD, which doesn't make a lot of sense. In a vague 3D blurry sense, we can kind of imagine an overall look of something, even if it doesn't make a lot of sense. When you translate some of this shit into HD, and try to remake it identically, it no longer looks good and no longer makes sense.

>> No.8140530

>>8140526
You mean Nerrel?

>> No.8140620

>>8133508
Doesn't matter, Mr. SmartyPants, the original image does actually look alot better. The blur to it also helps obscure the lack of detail while the clear image on the right just looks bland. Certain things like the creases in the curtain also make it.

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DUDE
DS GIMMICKS
LMAO

>> No.8141263

>>8133508
yeah because satire is never more clever than the satirist

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>> No.8143446

>>8135440
the plot makes no sense with the new curtain. lacks all emotional weight.

>> No.8143559

>>8136746
You forget that a remastered film or album will still be the same core product, just tweaked so that the presentation is up to more modern standards. This means better picture and sound quality. You do have some remasters where they actually go in and change elements of the songs or scenes of films. These are usually heavily maligned though so aren't taken as the standard for remasters (the 97 Star Wars remasters are a perfect example with the shit CGI they added.)

>> No.8143765

>>8132634
That fanmade Deus Ex remaster that uses Steamworks as DRM because he cucked to Square Enix

>> No.8144990

>>8132634
>>8135632
Neither of these are remakes.

>> No.8145021

>>8139235
>arrows unlimited
That confused the shit out of me at first with the pixel remaster. After I finish it i'm just going to stick with the DS remake, I enjoy its difficulty.

>> No.8145062

>>8132634
this is peak autism

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>>8136156
The eyes on the Great Mighty Poo are now just a static texture, so he no longer looks at Conker

>> No.8146531

>>8135496

i always though to tie in with the lore tha everything on the artificial moon was supposed to invoke impressions of being vaguely crystalline underground.