/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8081726]

what the fuck were they thinking?
this game is so bloated it's insane

[Anonymous No.8081738]

>>8081726
NOOOO. Its the best Donkey Kong game ever made. Granted its the only one I ever played.

[Anonymous No.8081743]

>>8081726
>what the fuck were they thinking?
i was going to type a long response but i remembered the perfect response to this question was written over 10 years ago: http://www.gamespite.net/toastywiki/index.php/Games/TragedyOfTheCollectathons
tl;dr non-linear gameplay with tons of variety is good on paper, not so much in practice

[Anonymous No.8081765]

The collectathon to end all collectathons. The game so big.... they probably should have stopped making it halfway through.

I enjoyed the game as a kid, really. Ironically, it seemed like a quaint and low-key affair, kind of like how an modern sandbox does. No pressure to go anywhere in particular because there's everywhere to go. But man was this game collapsing under its own weight and boy does it age poorly because of that.

[Anonymous No.8081771]

>>8081765
Rare never had a clue when it came to 3d. Either that or 3d being a mistake when it came to platformers.

[Anonymous No.8081779]

I still love it. I have the game memorized and can blaze through the levels. The fun of it for me is seeing which path each time is the most efficient for picking everything up, and I try and do a different route each time. That moment in the level where all the collectables line up, you grab your fifth golden banana in the same room with the hidden banana fairy just seconds after grabbing the 100th mini banana and the little drum beat plays, it's so satisfying the way everything all comes together at once like that.

[Anonymous No.8081787]

>>8081771
A bit of both, I think. 3D platformers work, but they need to be approached differently. You need to find ways to restrict the axes into more narrowly confined parameters. I think the Mario long jump is the perfect example of this as it's so clearly and intuitively a mechanism of two parallel and intuitive mechanisms of the kind of slider-based forward vs backwards movement and the nudging-based left/right (combined with the implicit mechanism of gravity). Rare's approach to platformer physics has always been based on flow and freedom, refining the timing of when you're going fast and when you're building up to speed. While DK64 has a great sense of timing to, say, Donkey Kong's roll and kick, it doesn't stop the fact that you never feel particularly well in control of the precise direction you're going in.

Also (and probably more importantly), they weren't aware of how much control in a 3D game is about control of the camera, not just the player. But to be fair, no one was at the time. Even Mario 64 wasn't great at this, despite clearly putting focus on this aspect.

[Anonymous No.8081842]

>>8081787
I know how controls feel in the hand is pretty subjective, but all the kongs have a wide move pool and I believe control very precisely (especially things like the grenades, where you can control their exact angle of projection). There are movements they can pull off that combine well with other mechanics, like combining air kicks with jumps to get a triple jump, and Tiny especially has an enormous range of jumps. I've never understood people that say the game feels very slow to play, because I'm never standing still when I play, I'm not usually walking or running, I'm jumping through the level and the gameplay can feel very fast when doing this, and I've never found the jumps to be imprecise, you can control the characters in mid air easily.

[Anonymous No.8081896]

>>8081842
So I don't want to get TOO into this, I really feel like it's the least of what's wrong with Rare's N64 games, but just to give a concrete example of what really stood out when I replayed both games and that was trying to navigate a straight plank of wood bridge.

Now both games have the ability to snap the camera to behind the character and gently tilt the controller to slow walk. To me the Mario implementation of this felt really solid where the DK64 one was hyper-sensitive, but like you said that's subjective. But with Mario 64 you have a lot of options to really precisely tune your jumps to navigate yourself onto the bridge. The aforementioned long jump's left-right nudging is really precise on this. And even the side tall jump (whatever that's called) restricts your horizontal movement such that you can really fine tune it. Navigating the bridge in Tiny-Huge Island has a lot of options. But when I was Diddy in DK64 trying to traverse the same style of plank bridge that had a kink in it, I really felt like an idiot. There were no jump options that really controlled it, and the snap-backed camera and tip-toe approach kept second-gearing my speed and running me off it. Generally "moving around" in DK64 feels fine, but precision always got me.

I'm sure it's possible to get good at it. I'm sure speed runners know how to. For me, I could feel the tools SM64 was giving me the ways to fine-tune my navigation of this kind of thing. For DK64, it felt more like the game was saying "we gave you the tools to move anywhere in 3D space, so choose to go there."

[Anonymous No.8081976]

Funny thing is that DK64 is still one of the best games of its era. But that does NOT mean that I think it's an ideal 3D DK game.

[Anonymous No.8082029]

>>8081743
Lol who the fuck calls DKC3 a collectathon? It's just DKC2 + the bird caves. Yoshi's Island is a *far* more glaring (and older) example of being obnoxious with collecting.

[Anonymous No.8082064]

>>8081743
>People thought Turok? was fun until GoldenEye 007? showed people how to do a console shooter with focus and polish. People thought Tomb Raider? was the bee's knees until Super Mario 64 showed people that you could give gamers a 3D world without forcing them to move clumsily around a grid
Fuck that fag, Turok and Tomb Raider are excellent games.

[Anonymous No.8082076]

I'm not trying to meme you guys, but I genuinely think that some people's brains aren't fit to play 3D games. I have observed a reoccurring phenomenon where some types of people cannot propery map out 3D digital (abstract) spaces in their mind as a cognitive function, and therefore respond to 3D games with "I'm confused" and "I don't know where to go" and other such things, because it's a mentally exhausting challenge for them. Not being able to percieve 3D spaces doesn't necesssrily mean you're stupid, but it's an indicator on how the brain responds to visual-spacial awareness. Obviously, my claims can't be proven, but this is because this an untested field in science an anthropology. Consider it a hypothesis. Do you know anyone who is like this? Try and have a conversation with them and find out what difficulties they have with 3D.

[Anonymous No.8082086]

>>8082029
Not quite. Donkey Kong Country had ecret rooms that served no actual purpose, but it would keep track of which you'd found, tell you if you found them all on a stage, and give you a thumbs up if you found them all, but otherwise treat them as optional.
DKC2 replaces them with two kinds of bonus coins, one of which is again completely optional and one which unlocks secret stages once you've found a certain amount, with a secret final boss once you find them all and beat all the secret stages.
DKC3 however drops every optional aspect. Every "secret" in the game is there to be found and will ultimately unlock secret stages, a secret boss and a secret true ending upon collection of every little thing. No longer is that percentage mark a separate symbol of "true mastery" or whatever, it just shows how much there's left to find to beat the game. There are no longer secrets in the game, only tuff to find in order to complete it.

[Anonymous No.8082095]

>>8081726
I enjoyed it until I didn't have enough bananas I gave up.

[Anonymous No.8082135]

>>8082076
I'm 100% not trying to be an edgy "I hate women" memer, but I'm in med school and an interesting phenomenon I was taught about was that due to small variations in brain structure women are generally worse at cognitive tasks involving 3D geometry (mentally rotating a 3d object was the go-to example). I think the trade-off was that they're better at math or something. I wonder if the nucleus responsible for that plays a role here.

[Anonymous No.8082139]

>>8082086
No. You're wrong. The secrets are optional in -every- DKC game. But in DKC2 -and- 3 they also have the additional perk of unlocking bonus levels and the secret final boss. Not sure why you think the secrets aren't optional in DKC3, for some reason. You've clearly never played the games or are too fucking retarded to remember. Fuck you, moron. The way you're describing the exact same thing twice here, but using a different tone is honestly the most mind-blowingly faggoty and stupid thing I've seen here in a while. Get help.

[Anonymous No.8082164]

>>8082139
There's a difference between "there's secret shit in this game you can find, find it if you feel like it" and "there's some levels in the game you can't play unless you find all the secret shit, so get looking" you faggot.

"Having the additional perk of unlocking something" is just a slimy way of saying "forced to find if you want to play those last few levels".

[Anonymous No.8082172]

>>8082164
Why should there not be a reward for finding everything?

[Anonymous No.8082175]

>>8082164
Yes, I too hate being rewarded for being diligent. All content should be spat out at the player with no optional endings or levels because I don't want to work, that would be hard.

[Anonymous No.8082176]

>>8082172
The reward should be finding the things in itself, anything else is superfluous.

[Anonymous No.8082181]

>>8082176
That's cool for finding one or a few of them. Why should I not expect something cool for finding all of them? How would I even know I found all of them without the game acknowledging it in some way?

[Anonymous No.8082186]

>>8082181
Ignore that retard. He's perfectly content with a black screen with CONGLATURATION written on it. Probably hates fighting games for having unlockable fighters.

[Anonymous No.8082195]

>>8081726
I loved DK64 as a kid, but mostly hate DK64 now because I get fucking migraines from every single area and boss fight (which is a fuck ton of them) where they set it in near total darkness with random lightning flashes illuminating it. I get that Rare were just jerking off with their command of N64 graphics and lightning by this point but boy did they love their dark lightning storms.

[Anonymous No.8082197]

>>8081896
That's one of those moments where the R button and the front view are necessary. It's also one of those moments where game designers trick you into thinking extreme precision is needed and that you have to go slow, when really it's easier to go fast. It's like those one tile pits in SMB where your first thought as a kid is you have to manually jump over each one, but if you just keep running you run over all the pits without any effort. Same here, if you keep the camera centered behind you, you can just cartwheel across the bridge pretty easily.

[Anonymous No.8082223]

>>8082164
The difference for you is: "Me think X-thing good and optional, but me think Y-thing bad and forced". Even though it's literally the same thing.

[Anonymous No.8082273]

>>8081726
And the visual style is flat and sterile compared to DKC. I have no idea why they scrapped Dixie and Kiddy for the new Kongs either. It felt like there was no continuity in any sense between DKC and this game.

[Anonymous No.8082279]

>>8082273
Kiddy was scrapped because everyone complained about him, Dixie was redundant with Tiny, who presented a new gameplay idea. They could have just made Dixie shrink but it would've been a kind of random appended element to her character. Lanky and Chunky are designed around their gameplay purposes too. Diddy was not only too iconic to ditch but also had open gameplay potential which they used.

[Anonymous No.8082427]

>>8082279
>designed around their gameplay purposes
let me go dab on you while I use chunky to defeat Mad Jack real quick

[Anonymous No.8082428]

>>8081726
Kino chore simulator

[Anonymous No.8082431]

should have just made DKC4 to be honest
Ironically the n64 would have been far better off if it had more lower budget 2D titles rather then every developer trying to go for the most bombastic 3D they possibly could
Rare already had the banjo series and were working on conker, did they really need to go for it again? seems like a hubris thing like >>8082195 says.
although after DKC3 I doubt Rare would be able to show the restraint necessary to trim the fat

[Anonymous No.8082442]

>>8082064
>he doesn't think that JankEye000 and bingbang wahoo are the best games evurrr XD :D
feels good to have a healthy brain, doesn't it?

[Anonymous No.8082445]

>>8081726
extremely comfy laid back n64 ape n frens game BTFO's local op (who is a fag and who's mom I've slept with btw)

[Anonymous No.8082757]

>>8081726
>play a collect-a-thon game
>cry that it's a collect-a-thon
Play another fucking game then. It's like you playing Mortal Kombat and being like "ugh this game would be better if it weren't a fighting game, I hate fighting games and having to fight people in games."

[Anonymous No.8082776]

>>8082757
"Collectathon" isn't a genre.

[Anonymous No.8082784]

>>8082076
Its pretty crazy finding out that there are people that have no inner visualizing in their mind. Like if you say "picture a rotating red apple in your head" there are people that can't do that.

[Anonymous No.8082804]

The best games which have levels filled with collectibles have something else going for them as well.
It's not a "collectathon where you also do X in an Y world with Z" instead it's "An X game where you're in Y world with Z and there's a bunch of collectible stuff along the way"
The crap littering the levels should never be the focus, it should be a distraction

[Anonymous No.8082815]

>>8082431
Nah. Making 2D for n64 is a really shit idea. Developers and audiences of this era wanted to see stuff with new technology, even if it wasn't perfect. There had to be pioneers and experiments of the new medium in this era. Even if DK64 isn't perfect it's still more exciting and optimistic for the future than something like Yoshi's Story. That being said, neither DKC3 or DK64 were made by the same people as 1 or 2. Rare made all the right moves during this era, it's just that DK64 could've had a better execution.

[Anonymous No.8083046]

>>8082029
yes, dkc3 is a linear platformer, not a collectathon. i think the guy uses it here to show how rare started thinking that their games were improved by having shitloads of optional items that people with OCD could systematically gather up. they gradually increased the number of banana themed bullshit to collect until it collapsed on its own weight
it's the concept of trying to get 100% just because 99% isn't good enough

[Anonymous No.8083062]

>>8082135
They talked about this to me in elementary school. Isn't it related to the amoun of gray matter vs white matter in the brain, or something like that?
Like, women have less spatial awareness, but can multitask better or something along those lines.

[Anonymous No.8083320]

>>8081726
Imagine getting this shit instead of Sonic Adventure lmao

[Anonymous No.8083726]

>>8081726
DK64 is such a filter for people, i love taking my time with it and returning to it many times, but for some reason the criticism i hear the most of is 'muh padding muh too much content' so fucking whack

[Anonymous No.8083737]

>>8083726
tbf it is bullshit to say a game has too much content
dk64 is padded to shit though. lots of empty space and you constantly have to backtrack to pick up XYZ before making progress. there's fun sections in there but it gets tedious.
i think what really makes the game fall apart is the character swap mechanic. you can walk right up to an item and not be able to get it because you're the wrong character. it leads to so much pointless repetition going back to the barrel over and over

[Anonymous No.8083767]

>>8083737
i get everyone wishes they could swap on a dime or that they could pick everything up as one character, but i feel it lacks the wonderment the game instilled in me, no one appretiates the 3D environments anymore now that we have premier examples from ubisoft

i think of the game as 5 banjo-kazooie games integrated into one another and you switch between them through character selection, it makes the game preserve the wow factor without nitpicking about 'walking to and fro the tag barrel'

[Anonymous No.8084061]

i find it funny how the Crash Bandicoot games are closer to DKC than DK64. Im sure 64 is an alright game but I cant be fucked to play it

[Anonymous No.8084113]

>>8083767
If the game actually gave you worlds you could explore in 5 different ways, each with different stuff accessible to you, it could be work pretty well. But the way you need to switch back and forth to unlock things for one kong as another kong makes for a unfocused game where it's hard to keep track of what you've done and where you've been as each kong.

The first few, rather small, worlds actually work pretty well, it's when they grow in size and complexity things get overwhelming.

[Anonymous No.8084119]

>>8084113
>worlds you explore in 5 different ways with different stuff accessible to you
that's DK64 in a nutshell, go in with opened eyes friendo64

[Anonymous No.8084123]

>>8084119
It's how it should have been, but the characters are too interconnected for it to actually be that way.

[Anonymous No.8084131]

>what the fuck were they thinking?

[Anonymous No.8084234]

>>8083726
>>8083737
>>8083767
I am convinced the only people who hate dk64 for that reason are people who just soullessly chug through roms and they get frustrated a simple 3d platformer is taking so long
For people who value individual games and let them breathe dk64 is amazing.
The only reason journos hated it is because of their strict deadlines

[Anonymous No.8084242]

>>8084131
>Too dumb to be a book
Why can't we have shit like that anymore? I watched an old DKC REVIEW from when it launched and the guy literally said 'if you don't buy this game, you're an idiot.'
What happened to that kind of gaming culture?

[Anonymous No.8084247]

>>8084242
Everyone's too afraid to be themselves.

[Anonymous No.8084256]

>>8084234
yeah DK64 is a hub game, we all have those comfort games we go back to and orbit around from time to time dont we? i have a severe lack of respect that dogs DK64 because they're always the people who dont go back and replay it and want there to be more of it

[Anonymous No.8084262]

>>8084234
I agree with this, DK64 is fucking filled to the brim. Not ALL of its content is good and there's some padding in there, unnecessarily considering how much there already is to it, but god damn that game felt like it took a lifetime as a kid, in a good way, and I loved every second of it.

[Anonymous No.8084292]

It's a great kids game because it would easily last you from Christmas to your birthday because it's so god damn motherfucking long.

[Anonymous No.8084337]

Are the 3DS remakes of the mario luigi games better or do I just emulate the DS versions?

[Anonymous No.8084342]

>>8084337
what the fuck
the originals are better

[Anonymous No.8084350]

>>8084234
Nigga DK64 got a lot of shit for its absurd amount of collectables at the time too. It's why Conker's Bad Fur Day is as linear as it is.

[Anonymous No.8084360]

>>8084350
Also Star Fox Adventures. People were starting to get really tired of the "you need to get a gorillion items" gameplay.

[Anonymous No.8084368]

>>8084350
What? They were working on Conker at the same time they were working on the first Banjo game, the fuck are are you talking about?
>>8084360
Star Fox Adventures is a great game and Star Fox should have explored more in that direction rather than basically giving up entirely and giving us shit like Assault and Zero

[Anonymous No.8084372]

>>8084262
>>8084292
The Sonic Adventure games took longer to 100% than DK64, but in their case it was because they gave you so many different challenges to do, not because so absurdly overwhelmingly huge and filled with crap you needed to collect.
More individual challenges is superior to more pointless busiwork.

[Anonymous No.8084382]

>>8084368
The original Twelve Tales iteration of Conker was going to be a collectathon, the choice to make it a more linear deal came with the change to Bad Fur Day, and was partially based on the "this game has too much bullshit to collect" reception to DK64.

[Anonymous No.8084385]

>>8082135
Nice post anon, but unrelated, do you 100% hate women?

[Anonymous No.8084389]

>>8084372
>The Sonic Adventure games took longer
I wouldn't know. I didn't have autism as a child so I've never played a Sonic game after Knuckles other other than Sonic Mania.

[Anonymous No.8084396]

>>8084368
Assault is quite good, Adventures was just some Zelda

[Anonymous No.8084401]

>>8084385
What does this means

[Anonymous No.8084403]

>>8084382
>>8084396
So you're gonna fight me? You're gonna fucking rape me over my opinions on Star Fox Adventures and DK64?

[Anonymous No.8084415]

>>8084372
What the fuck? Are you really saying replaying the same levels over and over with minuscule changes is superior to having tons of exploration and more real content?

Also, you really don't have to go for full collection completion in DK64. In fact it's quite forgiving -- the game intentionally has way more than you ever need to collect to beat it so you can do it your own way. And even going for 101% does not require collecting everything in the game, there's a fair margin of leniency they give you because again, there's way more included in it than you were ever supposed to truly be collecting. But why would you be intentionally trying to 101% DK64 if you hate playing the game so much anyways? Beating it normally requires SOME silly shit, but that has more to do with the fact that you're required to play retro games than the collecting aspect.

[Anonymous No.8084416]

>>8084389
>I didn't have autism as a child
but you 100% cleared DK64?

[Anonymous No.8084417]

>>8084360
>you have to collect too much in adventures
lol what the fuck. thats like saying zelda sucks because you have to get EVERY rupee every time AND the pendants AND the sages AND the items

[Anonymous No.8084423]

>>8084123
Not really. You can play the game with very minimal switching, and it's more fun that way. I personally never switch kongs in level except for the 2 levels where you need to activate switches at the beginning, but that takes like 10 seconds. Play it this way and you'll have a lot more fun and you'll realize that the game is nowhere near as interconnected as people say it is: that's Banjo Tooie, not DK64. DK64 is basically 5 miniature banjo kazooie stages in one level.

[Anonymous No.8084451]

Also, no the game doesn't have too many collectibles, you're all retarded, when you divide the collectibles between the five kongs and if you're playing individually then each kong is only getting 4 bananas, 1 blueprint, and 75 mini bananas as required for completion sake, they technically don't even need that many. 200 bananas sounds like a lot on paper, but it's genuinely quicker to get the 200 bananas on DK64 than the 100 jiggies in Banjo Tooie. Playing the kongs individually means each kong's stage is even shorter than in Banjo Kazooie. But people play the game just wandering around directionless and jumping in the tag barrel whenever they see another kong's collectible even though they don't actually have to pick it up right there at that moment and it'd be quicker if they didn't.

[Anonymous No.8084690]

>>8082076
a lot of words to make a shitty "people who disagree with my opinions are retarded" post

[Anonymous No.8084694]

>>8082757
There is nothing wrong with complaining that an installment in a series completely changes the gameplay style

[Anonymous No.8084702]

incredible
it's a battle of ADHD vs OCD

[Anonymous No.8084707]

>>8084451
>when you divide the collectibles between the five kongs
That is precisely the problem. Other collectatons don't make you backtrack five times with different characters.

[Anonymous No.8084732]

>>8084707
You really aren't backtracking all that much though. Kongs tend to have their own dedicated sections of levels. You only wind up backtracking a lot if you, as the very post you replied to says, you swap every time you see a collectible when you aren't at all meant to be doing that.

[Anonymous No.8084789]

>>8084707
do what you can with one (1) kong, and move onto another level, only go back down through the levels when you hit the limit

[Anonymous No.8084837]

>>8084372
Sonic Adventure is a very, very short game. It takes 20 MINUTES to 100% each character.

[Anonymous No.8084847]

>>8084837
>It takes 20 MINUTES to 100% each character.
that's maybe true of big the cat, no one else.
but he's talking about the 130 emblems which is an absurd time sink and requires you to do shit like breed ubermensch chao

[Anonymous No.8084853]

>>8084847
Big takes quite some time to 100%. Those gigantic fish you need for the final emblems are dicks.

[Anonymous No.8085125]

>>8084707
But that's the central mechanic that sets this apart from other rare platformers, switching kongs. If you don't like the concept that's one thing but the concept itself is not inherently flawed.

The problem is people present the kong switching as if its a tedious chore to always run to a barrel to pick something up you can't get with your current kong just to go back to what you were doing afterwards, but you don't actually have to play like that. Since you'll be back as that kong later, just pick those collectibles up then, it's way faster and more focused to play like that.

I don't consider it "backtracking", it's more like there's one level and there's five different sub-stages within that level, which is a pretty cool concept and adds a lot of content for the time. To me, it's backtracking when you have to leave the level and go back to an earlier level, it's not backtracking to do different stages in the same level.

[Anonymous No.8085136]

>>8081726
DK64 is Rares worst N64 3D platformer. I don't think its bad, but it feels like they tried to throw in too much into one game.
Tooie had its own problems, like excessive backtracking, and various unlockable moves were far too situational, but I genuinely found that game to be more tightly focused in comparison.

[Anonymous No.8085307]

>>8085136
>I don't think its bad
I do. All of rares platformers are a little bit jank but either their level design or gimmicks were so fun they made up for it. None of their 3d games do this though.

[Anonymous No.8085328]

The thing is, you're all approaching this game from the wrong angle. It's not a completionist's game. You're not supposed to play it just to clear it and cross it off your backlog. It's a world designed for a child to get lost in, for maybe months at a time. You also aren't necessarily supposed to get every collectable. I don't believe these games were ever designed with that in mind for the average player.

[Anonymous No.8085810]

>>8085307
Good thing I'm not you.

[Anonymous No.8085837]

>>8085328
I think more than anything, my problem is that too many things are character-coded. It doesn't feel natural when the only reason you can't physically pick up certain bananas is because you're not the kong they're color coded for.
One one hand, you could argue that it helps the player know which kong is need for an area's more major collectables. On the other hand, the game wasn't always consistent about that, and sometimes would have specific kong bananas in areas that otherwise don't need that kong.

[Anonymous No.8085851]

>>8082064
>Turok
Based and excellent taste
>Tomb Raider
You're a fucking retard

[Anonymous No.8085852]

>>8082442
>healthy brain
I think all of that pig semen has damaged yours.

[Anonymous No.8085891]

>>8081726
>what the fuck were they thinking?
It's as if they weren't thinking anything at all.

[Anonymous No.8085892]

>>8085125
Backtracking perceived is backtracking achieved, anon.

[Anonymous No.8086262]

>>8081779
Thanks for explaining the concept of speed running, sperg.

[Anonymous No.8086265]

Here we- here we- here we go.

[Anonymous No.8086301]

>>8084247

[Anonymous No.8086349]

>>8086262
Not a speed runner nigger, I just like to go fast

[Anonymous No.8086360]

>>8084131
Post "5 gallons of ape semen (make that 8)" edit

[Anonymous No.8086560]

>K. Rool's tail clips through his throne
I can't believe they made it low to the ground to account for his stubby legs, but couldn't be bothered to design it in a way that would accommodate his tail.

[Anonymous No.8086737]

>>8085892
you will never get a 3D game without backtracking because it goes against the reason for having it so, go play your 2D sidescrollers>>8082076is right.

[Anonymous No.8086759]

The problems were the regular bananas that could only be collected by the appropriate Kong, the terrible minigames being rehashed over and over again, Diddy's jetpack controlling like ass despite demanding precision that wasn't there, the glut of timers, and needing to beat arcade DK to access the final boss. Everything else was fine.

[Anonymous No.8086770]

>>8086759
>Diddy's jetpack controlling like ass despite demanding precision
funny way to admit you got filtered

[Anonymous No.8086780]

>>8084416
lmao gottem

[Anonymous No.8086793]

>>8086770
Have sex

[Anonymous No.8086801]

I told someone that they'd unlock a secret world if they achieved 101% on all four save files. I didn't know they actually believed me or cared until they confronted me about it after having done so.

[Anonymous No.8086836]

>>8083737
>>8083767
>>8084113
The is a patch out there that let's you swap kongs on the fly. Just so you guys know.

[Anonymous No.8088974]

>>8085851
tomb raider is excellent and has aged immaculately

[Anonymous No.8088978]

>>8088974
Jesus dude thats like the hardest game to go back to

[Anonymous No.8089005]

>>8088978
the controls are perfectly designed, they are very tight, the only rough thing is the graphics but if you emulate it with pgxp it looks clean

[Anonymous No.8089013]

>>8089005
the controls are the worst part about it man. Its totally unplayable to me

[Anonymous No.8089019]

>>8089013
mm idk i played it as a kid so it is just perfect to me. very deliberate movements with a lot of depth allowing cool tricks.

[Anonymous No.8089021]

>>8086360
Why? Is that something that you find funny?

[Anonymous No.8089025]

>>8089005
U r a nigger

[Anonymous No.8089831]

>>8081738
get off the board
>i was being facetious/sarcastic. it was satire idiot
still get off the board

[Anonymous No.8089861]

>>8086836
which sucks all of the soul out of the game.

the people who complain about switching don't deserve the kino that is donkey kong 64

[Anonymous No.8090030]

>>8082076
In my case, I'm better navigating 3D stages. It's more of a problem with 2D level design. Some designers are cheap and use most limited and basic tileset ad nauseam. Feels like I'm stuck in a limbo. Of course, this doesn't happen with better (artistically) designed 2D games.

[Anonymous No.8090160]

>>8089013
i think the controls are interesting, the same kinda way resident evil is for that, the worst part is gonna have to be graphics

[Anonymous No.8090389]

>>8089861
>which sucks all of the soul out of the game.
it sucks most of the pointless repetition out of the game. is that the soul?

[Anonymous No.8090395]

>>8081726
It was a natural evolution of Tooie's design philosophy including, sadly, the issues said designs they had. If they had included more unique areas that only certain guys could access instead of making you do the same guys in the same areas it would have worked better.

[Anonymous No.8090398]

>>8090389
>>8089861
it doesn't matter one way or the other, i'm comfortable "getting" DK64, if someone is willing to play it with instant character swapping then have at it, doesn't really impact me

[Anonymous No.8090403]

>>8090395
Tooie comes out after DK64, nice try

[Anonymous No.8090404]

>>8090395
Tooie is after DK64 and it has smaller areas, likely because they realized DK64 was grossly excessive

[Anonymous No.8090406]

>>8090403
>>8090404
Well damn, my timeline is messed up. I guess then that Tooie was a scale back from DK64 after they learned their lesson

[Anonymous No.8090432]

I love that this game causes so much seething. I hope it continues to live rent-free in anons’ heads for years to come.

[Anonymous No.8090510]

>>8090389
There is no pointless repetition, you're just bad at the game, don't know how to plan routes, and you just wander around aimlessly switching kongs picking up collectibles you don't need. If you play it the based one-kong way, there is literally never one scenario where you actually have to switch out. Playing it with a mod totally takes any of the planning away and makes the game as shallow as all the criticism here makes it out to be, since you're no longer playing the intended 5 mini platformers in 1 level and are instead just switching mindlessly picking up any colored collectible you see.

[Anonymous No.8090532]

>>8090510
>There is no pointless repetition,
doing an easy area 5 times is pointless repetition, and you have to do that for every level in the game
>you're just bad at the game, don't know how to plan routes,
how is one supposed to plan routes without going down them and finding a dead end
i will give the game credit and say that they often signpost areas with the colored bananas, but even if you keep that in mind, you're still regularly repeating content
>If you play it the based one-kong way,
why have the tag barrel at all if you're not supposed to switch during a level? this is like saying sonic has perfect difficulty balance if you don't grab any rings. even if that's true, there's no indication that you're expected to play that way
>Playing it with a mod totally takes any of the planning away and makes the game as shallow as all the criticism here makes it out to be,
i wanted an action platformer, not a chore assignment game
if you enjoy the game better without that freedom, fine, but most people don't enjoy playing the same easy sections 5 times just to get to new content

[Anonymous No.8090564]

>>8090532
>doing an easy area
what does this mean, that because you walk over to an area with one character 'youve done it' ?

[Anonymous No.8090614]

>>8090532
>how is one supposed to plan routes without going down them and finding a dead end
You go through the level as one kong initially, usually Donkey or Diddy. After you complete one kong's collectibles, you will have seen every other kong's collectibles since they're all in the same areas. You will no doubt notice that almost every level can be divided into 3 or 4 sections, and you will have seen which kongs go to which sections.
>why have the tag barrel at all if you're not supposed to switch during a level?
It's there for very basic convenience. Even though I've promoted the one-kong way, I'm not entirely above switching if the collectible is so far out of the way that I know I'll probably forget to check there and it's just like a 5 banana pack. But it shouldn't be a crutch, you shouldn't be switching every 2 minutes, and you shouldn't be going out of your way to look for a tag barrel to switch when you don't have to.
>but most people don't enjoy playing the same easy sections 5 times just to get to new content
You act like people are really sitting there playing all five kongs back to back. No. Realistically your session is going to be 30 minutes to an hour. You start a level, you beat it with one kong, then you go outside and smoke a joint and laugh at stupid videos online, come back and do another kong, then visit the game another day. It doesn't feel like backtracking at all it you do this and of course when you played this game as a kid you certainly weren't a 100% completionist speed runner that needed to get all 5 collectibles in one session. So, no, if you're playing at a realistic pace, it doesn't feel repetitive at all.

[Anonymous No.8090791]

>>8090510
>don't know how to plan routes
How is someone supposed to plan a route their first time playing?

[Anonymous No.8090830]

>>8090791
Read the post above you. You only play one kong blind. After you complete that kong's part, you will have seen every other kong's collectibles or special areas. It's just a matter after that of visualizing which path the new character gets to take.

[Anonymous No.8091184]

>>8090830
>everyone plays the same autistic way I do
That basically sums up your entire argument and it's a pretty shitty one

[Anonymous No.8091194]

>>8091184
>I don't pay attention to shit when I'm going through levels

Oh, sorry I didn't realize you were retarded. I'm afraid you can't be helped.

[Anonymous No.8091204]

>>8091194
to be fair >>8082076 has a really interesting post i figure covers the guy you're replying to

[Anonymous No.8091310]

>>8090406
Yes. Same reason Conker was so linear. DK64 did gt good reviews, but it absolutely got criticized hard for all the excessive bullshit and Rare did take that to heart and toned it down.

[Anonymous No.8091584]

>>8081726
They were inventing the modern "open-world" game.

[Anonymous No.8091591]

>>8091184
yeah well they should. my way is objectively superior. If I played the game the way you naysayers describe it I would kill myself.

[Anonymous No.8091617]

>>8084337
From what I can tell, GBA M&L SSS is just faster combat overall while the 3DS version's just somewhat slower, but prettier.

[Anonymous No.8093648]

>>8084234

I got it for christmas 99 and it was such a let down compared to the SNES donkey kong games.

It's not good.

It suffers from the same problems as Banjo-Tooie

[Anonymous No.8093650]

>>8093648
You're a boomer.

[Anonymous No.8093713]

>>8093648
Those are both good games, by the way. DK64 arguably better than Tooie though. The levels aren't as pointlessly empty, and the framerate doesn't tank as bad.

[Anonymous No.8093847]

They were inventing the modern "contrarian-core" game.

[Anonymous No.8093894]

Honestly, the reason that people hate DK64 now is that the entire mentality of gaming has changed. Back when you were a kid, you would just explore the world at your own pace, and that in itself was enjoyable. Once you ended up finding enough, you get access to another level, it feels great and then you go explore that for a bit.

Now, people are basically trying to bumrush each stage so they can get everything and go to the next stage etc. etc. until they beat the game. They treat it like a job and that is why they don't like it.

[Anonymous No.8093912]

>>8081726
Fuck you zoomer. Go play pay to play games with mommys credit card. Nigger.

[Anonymous No.8094020]

needing to play this shit game like 6 times is the definition of filler

[Anonymous No.8094047]

>>8082784
>Its pretty crazy finding out that there are people that have no inner visualizing in their mind. Like if you say "picture a rotating red apple in your head" there are people that can't do that.
I was like that until I did ketamine.
I have an armchair neurology theory that when you're younger if you get the wrong kind of virus and your body overreacts to it your brain ends up closing off activity in certain areas which incidentally include spatial visualization. There's an antagonistic relationship between visualizing vs. verbalizing too, so this has a relationship with the development of OCD and neurotic behavior where you constantly try to verbally direct thoughts in a way that becomes deeply ingrained habit that's nearly impossible to change without drugs.
Ketamine, PCP, and even common over the counter cough medicine (provided the active ingredient is Dextromethorphan Hbr) all work as NMDA antagonists which block the verbal kind of thinking and allow the visual kind of cognition to emerge again. It's like an eclipse of the mind and a really intense ego death but worth it if you're similarly lacking in visual thinking and spend all your time with neverending internal monologues running.

[Anonymous No.8094053]

>>8094047
So what does ketamine do for people who don't need that treatment

[Anonymous No.8094054]

>>8094020
*filtered

[Anonymous No.8094063]

>>8084385
nice leftist meme, do you have more?

[Anonymous No.8094083]

>>8094053
Not sure. I've never tried Ketamine while being someone else without brain problems.

[Anonymous No.8094112]

>>8094054
I don't think I like this new definition from "shit that stopped you from beating the game" to "shit that annoyed you during the game"

[Anonymous No.8094114]

>>8094083
Can you try and then come back?

[Anonymous No.8094154]

>>8094112
try shit nigga, you got stopped from universally acclaimed gaming experience

[Anonymous No.8094160]

>>8094154
Are you retarded? He's clearly not saying he didn't beat the game

[Anonymous No.8094265]

Yeah, I love DK64 but I hate the mini games. The unforgivable thing is not the collectibles but that towards the end it seems there's more mini game bananas than there are exploration bananas. Two or three of the mini games are definitely bugged, that beaver one most notably.

[Anonymous No.8094281]

>>8093713
Tooie has problems, but I think the level design in Tooie is better than 64. 64 only has one level that feels "good", and it's the fungi forest. Tooie has a few really good levels, like the carnival level and the fire and ice swapped world.

Though both games suffer from glaring problems, like the ridiculous amount of minigames in 64, and the first person shooter sections in Tooie.

[Anonymous No.8094289]

>>8094281
This is subjective but fungi forest, crystal Caves, and that castle level are all banger levels

[Anonymous No.8094305]

>>8094289
I may be remembering wrong, because it's been at least 15 years since I really gave DK64 a thorough playthrough; but I wasn't a big fan of the verticality of crystal caves. The castle level was interesting, but I do remember it being a lot of back and forth walking on paths. To me it just felt like an inferior spin on the halloween style level from Banjo Kazooie.

Granted, Fungi Forest is also a spin on Click Clock Wood from Banjo Kazooie as well.

[Anonymous No.8094309]

>>8081726
Too boring can't play it 5/10

[Anonymous No.8094316]

>>8094265
When I was a kid the only thing in the entire game that gave me any problems was the hard required coin from beating the original Donkey Kong on the arcade machine in the factory level.

I don't know what it was, but I was just so bad about it.

[Anonymous No.8094375]

>>8094316
Try the first snes one at least it's ok to play. The Wii ones are good too

[Anonymous No.8094693]

>>8094281
>the ridiculous amount of minigames in 64, and the first person shooter sections in Tooie.
That's part of what I like about those games. You get a variety of gameplay.