/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8077987]

Was the select button still relevant after the 5th or 6th gen?

[Anonymous No.8078007]

no. too many devs were too retarded to do anything useful with it so it often does something useless like pause.

[Anonymous No.8078013]

>>8078007
I don't know a single game where you pause with select.

[Anonymous No.8078024]

>>8078013
play more games.

[Anonymous No.8078027]

>>8078013
From the top of my head, I think Hagane does that.

[Anonymous No.8078034]

>>8078024
Tell me which ones.

[Anonymous No.8078194]

>>8078034
No, prove me wrong

[Anonymous No.8078196]

>>8078034

[Anonymous No.8078243]

>>8078024
>>8078194
>>8078196
Seriously, fucking kill yourselves. These posts contribute absolutely nothing.

[Anonymous No.8078256]

How else are you gonna answer Snake's codec?

[Anonymous No.8078258]

>>8077987
Yes. It's the ideal button for shit like changing weapon styles, alternate functions for equippables and so on. Only brainlets complain about a controller having too many buttons.

[Anonymous No.8078443]

>>8078024
>>8078194
>>8078196
Cancer.

>>8078027
Answer.

[Anonymous No.8078448]

>>8078013
Zelda 1

[Anonymous No.8078451]

>>8078448
I was thinking about PS2/5th gen/6th gen since that's what OP seemed to theme it, but fair enough.

[Anonymous No.8078454]

>>8078451
I thought so, but you phrased it more openly than that.

[Anonymous No.8078459]

>>8078454
Correct, that is my fault, which is why your answer is fair.

This has been your daily dose of civility on /vr/. Something, something, Trashure.

[Anonymous No.8078462]

It was really not used at all on the SNES which is why the N64 controller nixed it. Hell even during the NES era, sure some games used it and for those games it was important but for most games it had no use except navigating menus which was a hassle since the d-pad was a better alternative.

[Anonymous No.8078471]

>>8078013
M&L Superstar Saga, Megaman Xtreme

[Anonymous No.8078476]

most ps4 games just used the center touch pad instead.

[Anonymous No.8078478]

But imagine if all you had to do to soft-reset your game was press R1 + R2 + L1 + L2 + Start. That'd be way too dangerous. People would be accidentally resetting during final boss fights all the time.

[Anonymous No.8078491]

most ps4 games just used the center touch pad instead.

[Anonymous No.8078560]

select and start as literal select and start buttons were moronic even on the NES. No reason why you couldn't just do the same shit with up and down on the dpad an A. They've always been better served as menu buttons which is why they came to serve as menu buttons over time.

[Anonymous No.8078871]

>>8078243
>This post contributed absolutely nothing
See what I did there, kiddo

>>8078443
Same

Fag

[Anonymous No.8078893]

>>8078013
Sypro 1 brought up the gem count menu when you pressed it which is basically pausing the game

[Anonymous No.8078906]

>>8077987
You probably don't need more than that controller other than it should be spaced out wider and the joystick and directional pad on the left needs to be switched

[Anonymous No.8078985]

>>8077987
It brought up the options menu in Resident evil 3.

[Anonymous No.8079103]

>>8078013
Mega Man 1 used Select to pause without bringing up the weapons menu, you could also abuse this to score multiple hits with one shot by mashing Select right as the shot connected and beat bosses easily that way

[Anonymous No.8079141]

>>8077987
It's not that it was 'relevant', but why would you get rid of a button? If your game is mildly complex then you can use an extra button. No reason to get rid of it even if it doesn't 'select'.

[Anonymous No.8079264]

>>8078871
Fuck off, loser.

[Anonymous No.8079283]

What does it select anyway?

[Anonymous No.8079295]

>>8079283
Older games controlled like the menu on a cheap PC monitor, where you'd press one button (select) to cycle through menu options like brightness/input/etc. and then press another another button (start) to confirm the prompt.

[Anonymous No.8079298]

>>8079283
Some games use it to cycle through weapons.

[Anonymous No.8079331]

>>8079264
>Fuck off, i'm am a loser.
And again. zoom zoom

[Anonymous No.8079334]

>>8079103
Oh, select. I tried spamming start after watching speedrunners do it and thought I wasn't frame-perfect enough or something.

[Anonymous No.8079648]

>>8077987
why are you americans so obsessed with relevancy?

[Anonymous No.8080218]

>>8079283
On the top of my head, i remember that early NES games use it for the opening screen.
You use start to start a game, and select to select another option on the start menu, such as 2 player game modes.
After that you used Start to enter the ingame menu, and select to move between sub menues.

As for more modern implementation?
Start/select go to ingame/system menu, and vise versa.

>>8079295
Also this.
Implementation has to come from somewhere.

[Anonymous No.8080353]

Yeah I think a decent number of NES games used it because there were so few buttons on that controller in the first place. The Atari 2600 had a "select" button on the console itself, which would often be used to cycle and choose various game modes modes before starting the game. A game iike Combat, for example, there was no menu or anything. When you turned the game on it went immediately to attract mode, and you could tell by the graphics on the screen which game you'd selected to play (normal, biplanes, etc.)

I suspect the idea was to move those controls from the console to the controller. But of course it became clear fairly quickly that a "select" button was redundant when you had on-screen menus and cursors you could manipulate with the d-pad.

I think the most recent game I know of to make good use of the select button is Final Fantasy Tactics (which is still a 5th gen game). It works kind of like a "help" key and depending on the context either immediately calls up a relevant help box, or switches to a help mode where you can move the cursor around the screen picking UI elements you want help on.

[Anonymous No.8081105]

>>8077987
It became more relevant as games became more complex
On the NES, it was usually pointless. Start pauses, Select also pauses but differently.
Sidenote: Fuck games where you hit Select to navigate the main menu. How did anyone think that was better than up and down on the D-Pad?
When you got to the late 90s and everything had RPG elements, it became more useful. Start opens a basic Save/Quit menu, Select opened your inventory or objectives screen. By like the PS3 you had so many gay menus to sift through that they just assigned different "tabs" to each.
Even PS4/PS5 games replicate that, they just have to use the touch pad instead because of nu Sony's abysmal hardware design

[Anonymous No.8081249]

>>8078013
Jak 2 and 3 has a quick, instant pause with no menu when you press select.