Diablo 1 and 2

[Anonymous No.8073380]

Which is the best of the two? Or is it 3? Also should someone new to the series play 1 or 2?

I remember playing 1 back in the day. The atmosphere was great but I'm not sure if its just nostalgia goggles.

[Anonymous No.8073391]

>>8073380

>>8066943

[Anonymous No.8073395]

Play D1 with DevilutionX.

[Anonymous No.8073402]

>>8073395
This is the correct answer, then you can play D2 however you choose.

[Anonymous No.8073421]

>>8073395
will try. any game breaking bugs so far?

[Anonymous No.8073735]

>>8073421
No it's pretty much perfect to the original source at this point, it's entirely reverse engineered. They actually fixed bugs that were present in the original code. Works with Hellfire now too, which is a fun bonus.

[Anonymous No.8073813]

>>8073380
Diablo 1 looks cool until you realize you can't fucking run, also the voices are so tinny it's almost unbearable. Throw in the fact that it has about 1/100th as much content as D2 and is inferior by every other objective measure... yeah, D2 is the better game.

[Anonymous No.8073820]

>>8073735
>it has about 1/100th as much content as D2
and that's a good thing

[Anonymous No.8073824]

>>8073820
>TOO MUCH GAME
kill yourself you shit-eating retard

[Anonymous No.8073826]

>>8073813
>you can't fucking run
non issue with mods

>voices are so tinny it's almost unbearable
subjective

>D2 is the better game
yes, but that's entirely irrelevant for the people playing D1

[Anonymous No.8073828]

>>8073826
>you cna fix the game by using something a fat fan created
lol no thanks I'll play a good game, and no, the voices being tinny is not "subjective", are you fucking deaf?

[Anonymous No.8073865]

>>8073828
Why are you so hell-bent on stirring up drama? You don't play D1, I do. The End.

[Anonymous No.8073874]

>>8073865
>make thread about which game is better
>get asshurt when someone tells you the truth
the end.

[Anonymous No.8073924]

I've always liked the style of D1 over D2, but obviously D2 has more or better content, and since D2 is so old and still so popular, it's the obvious choice for a newcomer.

[Anonymous No.8073949]

>>8073820
I think you replied to the wrong anon. Both games are excellent.

[Anonymous No.8074136]

D1: Atmosphere, music, story
D2: Gameplay, customization
D3: Lore, post-game content

[Anonymous No.8074150]

>>8073380
without question 2 is way better than 1, if you like anything in 1, you will find it expounded upon in 2, 1 is a great game, but 2 is a replayable experience

[Anonymous No.8074179]

D1 is a proper game, D2 and onwards are just cookie-clicker slot machines.

[Anonymous No.8074229]

>>8074136
I'd say D1 arguably had the better gameplay and obviously better art and atmosphere.

Depends on what you want really. D1 is much more a rouge-lite, with limited drops, random quests, and a much harder difficulty in general. Playthrough are more unique because what you find and encounter really shape the game.

I love D2 too but runs feel samey because you mostly sprint past the huge amount of empty content to key quest areas.

I think AI and running had a huge effect. D1s grid system makes the game all about positioning, especially when monsters can move faster than you and lock you in, or run away faster than you can walk like succubi. Manipulation of the AI is a huge part of playing well. D1 did a great job of making the AI better as you got deeper into the Labyrinth. Dungeon monsters are slow and awkward walking, skeletons pause, zombies are slow, fallen run away. By hell monsters are charging you from off screen, running away from you to lure you into other mobs, and generally quicker.

D2 enemies by contrast are very samey because even a level 1 character can outrun them due to the way all the AI is incapable of firing on the move. It has to stop to target you.

D2 missiles are faster but this takes out dodging as part of the game. Levels of succubi and councilors in D1 play like bullet hell.

In general, I find D2 enemies much more samey, just blobbing on you, and running away is normally an option, Arcane Sanctuary and Maggot Lair being places you can't.

So the skill ceiling is higher in D1. D2 is all about gear and builds and there is way more replayability and combinations. That gives it a longer shelf life, although I feel like Hell difficulty had the problem of making many builds unviable without elite gear. The curve of difficulty makes it to that there is a pretty fine line between stomping everything and only being in danger against bugged Gloams and bosses, or being totally unable to progress. D1 by contrast, how you play matters more.

[Anonymous No.8074236]

>>8073380
2 is the best game ever made.

[Anonymous No.8074306]

>>8073380
There's only Diablo, nothing more.

[Anonymous No.8074346]

>>8074229
>I'd say D1 arguably had the better gameplay
no? there's more robust gameplay in 2

[Anonymous No.8074409]

>>8074229
>obviously better art and atmosphere
>obviously
Maybe for you. D2 has great atmosphere and the art is excellent. I wouldn't dare to compare it like this with D1 counterparts if I were you. Some people like me might strongly disagree.

[Anonymous No.8074576]

>>8074409
D1 has big titty topless succubi in thongs instead of gross harpie things tho.

[Anonymous No.8074621]

Diablo 2 is made for people who like slot machines and rewards based on chance. If you play it for longer than 40 hours then you need psychiatric help.

[Anonymous No.8074631]

>>8074621
try over a hundred every couple years, a real gamer's game

[Anonymous No.8074728]

>>8074576
>not wanting to nibble on Andariel's fat pierced nipples

also D2 has sexy cat ladies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APrBdP0bBJM

[Anonymous No.8074992]

>>8074576
>big titty topless succubi
Top atmosphere and art.

[Anonymous No.8075318]

Will the DS2 remake be good or just a soulless cash grab?

[Anonymous No.8075339]

>>8074576
IDK what they were thinking with the D2 ones.

>>8074992
Actually does fit pretty well because the fringe of a pack will strut out towards you but then turn as you try to walk up to them and lead you into a pack of death knights or balrogs. Very much seduction mode there.

[Anonymous No.8075368]

D2 is too big and empty and act 3 blows, although I like the different climate ideas. D1 is way better as single player. D2 multiplayer is a blast though.

D1 multiplayer sucked due to duping and hacks. Although The Hell 2 multiplayer is top notch because it's so fucking hard warrior HAVE to tank and rouges need to be pulling with infravision whole sorcerer plays a crowd control role as well as dealing out damage while avoiding friendly fire kills.

[Anonymous No.8075373]

>>8073380
Diablo 1's better, but they're both good. Must play on CRT though

[Anonymous No.8075378]

>>8075368
But for D2:

Act 1 > Act 5 > Act 4 > Act 2 >>>> Act 3

At least in D1 every class works. Meleezon, bows, melee assassin, werebear, throw barb, many druid spells, elemental paladins, all bugged to shit or garbage requiring gear it takes thousands of runs to get.

[Anonymous No.8075470]

>>8073380
D1 doesn't have a single shitty level in it, and you don't spend hours running across an overworld looking for a dungeon.

It also has the best soundtrack.

And the Succubi have the biggest tits.

[Anonymous No.8076316]

>>8074992
>>8075339
Okay, I can't lie, I was just being a shit posting faggot here >>8073813. I never took the game far enough to see these titty monsters. My opinion has been changed, I'm gonna give it another try.

[Anonymous No.8076353]

>>8076316
Just wait until you hear their death moans

[Anonymous No.8076390]

Diablo 2 has poor design. They thought spending 20 skill points on improved stamina is a worthwhile option. A lot of the stuff added compared to Diablo 1 is either useless like the bombs or annoying like arrows and keys.

[Anonymous No.8076397]

>>8073813
>you realize you can't fucking run
That's a good thing. You need to approach new areas carefully because you can't outrun monsters and therefore try your best not to get overwhelmed.

[Anonymous No.8076583]

>>8076316
>>8076353
faggot coomers

[Anonymous No.8076631]

Is diablo 1 the epitome of soul?

[Anonymous No.8076646]

I've found Diablo online on github. DevilutionX. Is it the real game or a good version?

[Anonymous No.8076654]

>>8076631
I started replaying it for the first time yesterday. Didn't feel like doing it for a long time cause I would play other arpgs and stuff. The sound design is so fucking good.

[Anonymous No.8076724]

>>8076654
I agree.
Funny thing that almost all of the environmental sounds of D1 and D2 were taken from commercial sound libraries while the monster-specific stuff like screams and grunts are custom and handcrafted(for the most part).

[Anonymous No.8076878]

>>8076583
I'm not even a coomer, but big titty naked succubi with sexy death moans is a very clear indication that we're dealing with kino here.

[Anonymous No.8077076]

>>8074229
There is something too that. It felt possible to dodge incoming fire in D2 but in D2 it's just kind of a hail of shit flying st you.

[Anonymous No.8078867]

>>8076724
Who voiced the succ?

[Anonymous No.8079501]

>>8078867
Lani Minella, long-time video game and anime VA.

[Anonymous No.8079502]

>>8078867
Either Lani Minella or Glynnis Talken Campbell

[Anonymous No.8079521]

>>8073380
1 is worth playing for like a day. I think I beat it in 2 days.

2 is obviously a classic

[Anonymous No.8079535]

>>8073380
1 is just much slower paced than any game inspired by it. But it's good and has some interesting design that sets it apart from later games as well. Little things like being able to equip a +magic item to learn a spell, then removing the item and still being able to cast the spell. Shrines can permanently mess with your stats and spell levels which makes them a lot scarier.
I had a cool interaction yesterday where I walked into a room too fast and got surrounded, accidentally got my retreat blocked, panicked and ran into another room before realizing there would be more enemies in there. I was out of healing items so I tried to town portal but fumbled it and accidentally used a scroll of phasing I forgot was in my belt, which put me behind a wall and saved my life.
That sort of shit doesn't happen in other games.

But I played 2 a lot more, in part because I wasn't online for Diablo 1. They're both extremely good.

[Anonymous No.8079560]

>>8079521
You don't see everything in a single playthrough. You should do one with each of the classes.

[Anonymous No.8079596]

For the single player experience, I think the original outshines the sequel. For me, it's a case where less is more. The structure is more definite, which is conducive to a certain type of play. Every class can use every spell and can every combat style. The key difference being how effective you will be with it. D2 classes are more restrictive in that there are a ton of great spells and abilities, but only certain classes get to use them. I like that my warrior can cast the same spell as my mage, albeit it will likely be of a lower level and he won't be able to cast as many. Classes are more versatile compared to the second. I can accept limitations of game design, but it sucks to have those available options further reduced.

[Anonymous No.8079692]

>>8074229
>So the skill ceiling is higher in D1

Up until you cast mana shield and trivialize the entire game.

[Anonymous No.8080404]

Diablo 2. Period.

[Anonymous No.8080608]

1 and 2 are different kinds of games. Play both. and d3, because every other ARPG afterwards is just like d3/poe

[Anonymous No.8082659]

>>8080608
Yeah, both are great in their own way. I think 1 is the better game, particularly single player, but 2 I've played more due to more depth.

I just wish more Diablo clones were based on 1, with a slow plodding horror vibe based more on survival and less on gear and builds, instead of basically all of them being based on D2s faster, more open, more loot based design

[Anonymous No.8082703]

Looking forward to play D1 via DevilutionX when I'm done at work.

[Anonymous No.8084038]

>>8082703
When I finish my current playthrough I'm going to mod it with The Hell 2.
Playing through Hellfire for the first time, it feels more like a fan mod than an official expansion. Which I guess it is. The uber Crypt is a cool area I wasn't expecting to see.
Stone-cursing bosses feels badass.

[Anonymous No.8084464]

>>8082703
Is DevilutionX the real game? Someone said that it is a reverse engineered version

[Anonymous No.8084482]

>>8084464
Yes. It's the logical progression of Devilution, which was created by reverse engineering.

[Anonymous No.8084508]

>>8074179

I haven't played the first game, but I like Diablo 2 and have played it for very many hours... and I endorse this assessment of it. That said, it is the BEST cookie-clicker slot machine I know. It's a highly polished piece of poop. Yeah it stinks, but you cannot deny that shine.

[Anonymous No.8084510]

>>8079502

[Anonymous No.8084513]

>>8084482
I wish there was a multiplayer mode that had actual quests. I played it with my friends who were playing Diablo for the first time and even though we had fun, it would have been neat to see Devilution restore things like Gharbad, Ogden's Sign, Halls of the Blind, Chamber of Bone, etc.

[Anonymous No.8084534]

>>8084510
imp titties are transient, succ milkers are eternal

[Anonymous No.8084587]

Playing more of The Hell 2, and still having a lot of fun. I was expecting it to be even harder than Belzebub based on what some were implying, but so far it's been the smoothest D1 experience in my life. Enchantments really carry you and allow you to make incremental progress, and my xp gain from items is so high that even at level 26 I can still make some gains on the first floor when farming for potions.

[Anonymous No.8085925]

>>8084038
Is there any tutorials or tools out for modding DevilutionX yet?

[Anonymous No.8085965]

>>8084587
Hell 2 is not a bad mod but there are a few design choices that really kill the fun of it.
>summoners casting cooldown
Feels artificial and boring, it would be so much more fun to play a summoner if, for example, they just had reduced spell effectiveness. Or if the Beastmaster could do melee, anything to make them interesting beyond standing far away and having slightly different minions.
>crossbows instead of bows for warrior
Any class that uses warrior model uses painfully slow crossbows with the tradeoff being higher damage. It doesn't play good though, feels awful to use and visually doesn't make sense because all crossbows are represented by regular bows.
>29 classes but play each one only the way I wanted
All of the stat points, perks, gear, and somehow there is still no freedom or variety in how you play your class. Why does there need to be 4 gladiator variants for example, if the difference is that one uses an axe and the other uses sword and shield.
I played alot of this mod but eventually found it frustrating that no matter which class I choose I can only do one thing the entire time.

[Anonymous No.8086137]

>>8085965
Yeah, he overdid it with the class specialization. Also had the problem of difficulty fluctuating wildly based on how a level rolls.

Lot of cool stuff too, but I find it getting grindy around the caves. Making most items trash and then selling for nothing also sucks. It means you either save scum or just leave 90+% of items on the ground.

[Anonymous No.8086161]

>>8086137
I like that you can tone down or ramp up the difficulty, and the inclusion of iron & even a version of iron where you can save each floor. But yeah the difficulty spikes are jarring.
I wish there were more good D1 mods, as people have already said here D2 is great but the game is more of a slot machine with extra steps. Mods for D2 are typically awful since they just streamline the game into ridiculous numbers like D3 shit. The spells also just get out of hand. Imagine a game like Diablo with monster and area variety like D2.

[Anonymous No.8086390]

>>8086161
>Imagine a game like Diablo with monster and area variety like D2

Don't know why it's never been made. I think D2 had some great ideas with synergistic party skills that make a party greater than the sum of its parts. Also, curses are a great way to expand gameplay, working with monster AI instead of just damage.

But such a game could keep the grid lay out and slow movement while in combat to keep the gameplay more tactical and less about loot. Throwing in some of the enviornmental effects of D3, letting you kill monsters with traps, and making traps a bigger danger, would also fit with D1 style play.

Unfortunately the genre always tried to copy D2.

Act 5 in D2 also made me think an ARPG featuring huge battlefields and tons of allied and opposing AI bots could be a blast. Think Act 5 but way more allied and maybe a way to call in catapult or spell assistance. Not at all like D1, but could be a fun sort of chaos.

[Anonymous No.8086408]

>>8086390
I guess Warcraft 3 sort of did the latter with strong heros and then leading unite around them. But I was thinking the focus is more on your character and the game would be a mix of coop dungeon crawls, big battles, and upgrading both your character and your cohort of 5-30 minions.

[Anonymous No.8086458]

>>8086390
>Throwing in some of the enviornmental effects of D3, letting you kill monsters with traps,
You could do that in Diablo 1. If you paid attention you could see holes in the wall where arrows would come from and activate the trap to have it hit a monster.
Easiest as a Rogue since she'd automatically identify traps.

[Anonymous No.8086570]

>>8086390
This is the Diablo sequel I've always wanted. Keep the grid, the slow movement. D2 has really cool traps, but they have zero consequence.
>The spike tiles in arcane sanctuary
>The floor tiles that shoot darts in tombs
Cool concepts but they do zero damage.
Auras, curses and enchant are all cool additions to the spell roster.
The things I dislike the most about Diablo 2 are the things everybody else says are essential.
>Running, frozen orb, runewords
Just leads to flying past most of the content, the content that you do experience is just rolling over with screen wiping skills, and then you discard anything and rarely identify the items.