/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8058059]

Post attempts by franchises to transition to 3D

[Anonymous No.8058084]

>>8058059
did it suck? is that why this is the first time I'm hearing of this despite watching an entire video on the metal slug franchise?

[Anonymous No.8058109]

Only ever heard of this because the male half of X-Play had a hate-boner for it.

And, yeah, it looks pretty bad. This is 3D Ghosts and Goblins, by the way.

[Anonymous No.8058129]

>>8058109
I also assumed this game was terrible based on what I'd heard, but when I actually sat down and played it I found it was pretty decent.
It doesn't mimic Ghosts N' Goblins perfectly, but it's good enough on its own.

[Anonymous No.8058138]

>>8058059
Castlevania 64
Recently I heard that it was supposed to be a reboot, which is just baffling considering how few resources seem to have gone into the game when you actually play it

[Anonymous No.8058178]

>>8058059

[Anonymous No.8058179]

>>8058084
It's ok. The weapons aren't very satisfying to use and the lock-on system is annoyingly snappy. I think it's obscure on account of only releasing in Japan, which is odd because it has optional, fully-completed English voice acting. Also it has cutscenes

[Anonymous No.8058185]

>>8058059
Proof some games should have remained 2d until they got it right.

[Anonymous No.8058210]

>>8058178
Guys I'm just going to say it............... Busby had...... a rough transition to 3d..........

[Anonymous No.8058213]

>>8058185
Yeah, OP's is a great example of that. Not everything can be perfectly adapted like a racing game like F-Zero.

[Anonymous No.8058216]

I still want to ply MS3D one day. I think it looks kind of cool.

[Anonymous No.8058221]

>>8058109
Maximo? It's a pretty well known and liked game.

[Anonymous No.8058225]

>>8058185
>that tasteful orange against green
Thanks for reminding me how pretty this game is.

[Anonymous No.8058229]

>>8058178
>that soulless maniacal grin
holy fucking kek, you can tell what a trainwreck it was just from the box art. actually it looks so bad and uncanny that it's almost good, between the haggard rendering, black sky and flat lighting, it has a dreamlike, psychedelic, almost surrealist vibe. too bad it was unintentional and the game was balls.

also, Bubsy is literally producing light as he jumps? totally bizarre

[Anonymous No.8058250]

Fun fact: this game uses the same engine as Ethnic Cleansing.

[Anonymous No.8058261]

>>8058250
more like an attempt to make an actual game

[Anonymous No.8058269]

>>8058109
Maximo is actually a really fun game, most people liked it when it came out. Give it a try.

[Anonymous No.8058278]

>>8058084
Yeah it fucking sucks. I thought it would be like Spyro or Megaman Legends, but it's a ton of wandering around with next to no difficulty. Just totally empty vast areas with really shitty music then you come up on some guys and 1 hit them. I actually played it on my PS2 so I didn't have haxx like an emu though. I still say avoid at all costs.

[Anonymous No.8058292]

>Ultima IX
Yeah, should have stick with the isometric perspective instead of this half ass 3D sandbox.

[Anonymous No.8058371]

>>8058278
You know Spyro and MML are no difficulty baby games too.... right?

[Anonymous No.8058384]

>>8058292
Looks nice visually.

[Anonymous No.8058385]

>>8058371
And yet you needed save states to beat them.

[Anonymous No.8058402]

>>8058384
Too bad the game itself was a pile of shit that it permanently killed off the most influential RPG franchise of all time.

[Anonymous No.8058412]

It had a killer soundtrack at least.

[Anonymous No.8058448]

>>8058412
less an attempt and more like Capcom not wanting to invest anything in 3D fighting games so they let a third party make an original game on the condition that SF characters will headline it

[Anonymous No.8058460]

Mega Man 4 SNES Port:
https://twitter.com/infidelity_nes/status/1429259741000257545

[Anonymous No.8058467]

>>8058412
Irreconcilably

[Anonymous No.8058676]

>>8058179
>it has optional, fully-completed English voice acting
So just like Metal Wolf Chaos then.

[Anonymous No.8058721]

>>8058402
>>8058292
Why was it shit? All I ever hear anyone talk about is the "What's a paladin" line.

[Anonymous No.8058753]

>>8058721
>Why was it shit?

Oh there's soo much wrong with it in every level.
>Major continuity errors that piss off the entire die hard fans
>Inconsistent plot
>Boring gameplay
>Half baked features
>No companions
>Very linear structure despite being an RPG game

[Anonymous No.8058958]

>>8058721
it was unplayable on most machines at release because of ultra-high hardware requirements. also, lots of bugs. people forgot quickly about this game after its release.

[Anonymous No.8058986]

>>8058059
Reminds me of the attempt at making the famicom/advance wars series 3D.

[Anonymous No.8059297]

>>8058109
It's pretty good, aside from the save system which was thankfully fixed in the sequel. Don't listen to the coked up faggot who's better at reading scripts than he is at playing games.

[Anonymous No.8059307]

>>8058986
isnt this actually good tho

[Anonymous No.8059424]

>>8058269
>most people liked it when it came out.
I would disagree only because the games difficulty put a lot of plebs off.

[Anonymous No.8059446]

>>8058412
Say what want but when sfIII tanked in the arcade ex/ex plus alpha was still being played actively. The combo system of the ex is pure fun, and ofc the music.

[Anonymous No.8059468]

>>8058109
Sounds like a complete retard. Maximo is so good that it's on trajectory to being a "hidden gem" and "overrated shit" meme on this board in a few years.

[Anonymous No.8059475]

>>8059307
Yes, and the sequel too
>>8058059
Pic related and it’s a great game with some really horrendous loading times

[Anonymous No.8059479]

>>8058109
Sounds like he needed to git gud, probably the main reason why the sequel wasn’t as good, they dumbed down the difficulty by a large margin

[Anonymous No.8059502]

>>8059468
If people think Maximo is a hidden gem they should look at the rest of the PS2 Greatest Hits library and try the other games on there.

[Anonymous No.8059517]

>>8058185
one of the greatest games ever, Australia-kun

[Anonymous No.8059637]

>>8058178
>Bubsy has had six games over the course of 26 years

HOW?

How has this total shit justified FIVE SEQUELS?

Bubsy 3D was so utterly awful, it should have a franchise killer. But here we are, and we've had two Bubsy games on PS4.

How does this happen?

[Anonymous No.8059693]

Most of these transitions were rough to say the least

[Anonymous No.8059728]

>>8059637
desu the first one was alright
its just a dumb one-button platformer
in fact its kinda ironic, as sonic is a one-button platformer, lauded for its GO FAST shenanigans
but bubsy is like 3-4x as fast as any sanic gaem

[Anonymous No.8059761]

there are so many games i want to try to transition to 3d. gargoyle's quest and streets of rage for example. but now 3d is seen as bad

[Anonymous No.8059783]

Fuck you, Maximo is great!

[Anonymous No.8059802]

[Anonymous No.8059826]

>>8059693
Golden Axe Beast Rider looked alright, also has an incredibly hot whats-her-name

[Anonymous No.8059849]

>>8058059
Don't see people discussing Worms 3D very often. Understandably, everyone has a soft-spot for the 2D games, but this is decent enough to stand on its own. I think it has two sequels? Not sure how good those are.

[Anonymous No.8059851]

>>8059475
what game?

[Anonymous No.8059880]

>>8059849
I fucking love Mayhem and I find it to be an extremely solid game. The missions and their sheer difficulty, the worm jackpot machine thing with the modifiers, the huge "fucking around" factor (one of my favorite things was creating showdowns between worms on girders at the very top of the flooded maps). It's an insanely underrated game.

[Anonymous No.8059901]

>>8059849
There are two kinds of people, those who love 3d Worms and those who don't. My friend has a nostalgia for them, I absolutely can't play it. Tried multiplayer mode once, got killed in 5 minutes while trying to figure out how to even move to another position.

[Anonymous No.8059910]

>>8059637
I remember when Bubsy suddenly returned and came to twitter, Sonic's twitter account asked "Is that really you?" like they are friends who didn't see each other for eternity. Even Sonic couldn't believe his eyes.

I have no idea why this is happened but I guess anyone could return nowadays if they're meme enough

[Anonymous No.8059924]

>>8059851
Blaster Master

[Anonymous No.8059929]

Swiv3D

Haven't played it in years but I remember having fun with it back then

[Anonymous No.8059956]

>>8058986
I quite like these games and wouldn't mind a third one. It's a solid concept, and online play would bring a whole other dimension to it.

[Anonymous No.8059975]

>>8059637
The first few games were a genuine attempt to get a platforming mascot off the ground, and may have even succeeded for a short while. Bubsy 1 and 2 did actually have something of a fanbase, if I'm not completely mistaken.
At this point they are genuinely just exploiting the fact that everyone knows Bubsy as "one of the worst games ever" for a few quick sales though. Everything about the latest games were self aware of the fact it was a piece of shit, and people bough it because "lol, Bubsy".

[Anonymous No.8060007]

>>8059761
I'd like to see the Yakuza developers have a go with the SoR franchise, if only for one game. It would be cool to open up that whole setting and allow the player to explore it a bit more. I want to walk around seedy bars and have conversations with cartoon punk weirdos.

[Anonymous No.8060023]

>>8058412
indeed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwK4bSm2JUw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axibQV5YsOk

>>8058448
>third party
It was made by former Capcom members

>>8059849
>>8059880
>>8059901
3D is good, Mayhem is decent, Forts is the only one of the 3 that is kind of underwhelming but okay

[Anonymous No.8060538]

>>8059761
Fade to black really has some clunky controls.

[Anonymous No.8060754]

>>8059826
Typical coomer. It doesn't matter if a game is shit as long it has something to beat off to.

[Anonymous No.8060776]

>>8059475
It's bizarre how sunsoft was a diseased appendix of sun denshi for a few agonizing years, then all of a sudden wet farted this game out and it was made of solid gold.

Now everyone wish they bought it because it is ever fun and well made.

[Anonymous No.8060958]

>>8059307
They're good but not very similar to the original series.

[Anonymous No.8061110]

>>8060958
I don't get the decision to go with the bizarro knock off characters. People like the AW cast. It would it have been cool to see them in 3D.

[Anonymous No.8061172]

>>8059849
I prefer the 3d ones to the 2d

[Anonymous No.8061269]

>>8061110
I don't remember the characters that well except that they seemed "soulless". I remember one guy was like a generic cartoon/movie general.

[Anonymous No.8061314]

>>8061269
There was a generic American general, and big titty blonde bimbo standing in for Nell. The Japanese have high tech mechs, and the British look like they're coming out of World War 1. It generally all felt kind of low effort and lacking in charm.

[Anonymous No.8061407]

i thought it was awful already back in the day, just at first glance

[Anonymous No.8061423]

>>8061407
You've already shown your shit taste, no need to do it twice.

[Anonymous No.8061427]

>>8061423
¿?
are you schizo

[Anonymous No.8061486]

>>8058109
Maximo is good, though.

[Anonymous No.8061492]

>>8059637
Infamously bad to the point where it became a meme, so now the publisher that now owns the IP is just trying to milk the meme for all it's worth.

[Anonymous No.8061498]

best transition coming through

[Anonymous No.8061508]

Was Altered Beast PS2 good? I know it exists, but it was only localized for Yurop, and I'm an Amerifat. I've never seen it discussed.

[Anonymous No.8061518]

MGS

[Anonymous No.8061570]

[Anonymous No.8061581]

>>8061518
That pic's the entire MGS franchise in a nutshell.

[Anonymous No.8061603]

>only 15 levels, even less than the original Super Mario Bros.
>No Luigi or multiplayer in any form
>Yoshi locked behind 100% completion and you can't even ride him
>powerups are now on a timer instead of lasting till you get hit
>Back to fighting Bowser multiple times when SMB3 and SMW saved him for the final boss
No actual platforming outside the Bowser Levels, Tick Tock Clock, and Rainbow Ride
>Mario has a mickey mouse voice and none of the iconic sound effects return

How did this shit not flop hard in the eyes of Mario fans?

[Anonymous No.8061656]

Not /vr/ but the series it followed was

[Anonymous No.8061669]

>>8061656
I don't what zenimax games to ever be discussed here.st8v2

[Anonymous No.8062003]

>>8061314
I'm still not sure about the development process of the game. Some sources say it was an official attempt at a Nintendo/Advance Wars game, while others seem to imply it wasn't.

[Anonymous No.8062010]

>>8061603
At the time it was still relatively novel enough that no one really cared. Also the Mickey Mouse voice sounds was fairly mind blowing for the time (for consoles).

[Anonymous No.8062027]

>>8058210
Bubsy haaad...a...ROUGH transition to 3-D, to put it lightly..

[Anonymous No.8062037]

>>8062003
Well BW2 had Advance Wars sprites in the game.

[Anonymous No.8062041]

>>8062010
You realise you're full of shit about the voice, right? Other games around that era had MUCH better voice acting (consoles included) and I knew not 1 person who liked Mario's annoying voice at the time
It was a pretty by big joke, actually.
Like this
>2 guys talking about PSX or PC games
>awkward guy chimes in about loving his N64
>1 of the first 2 guys retorts with an "OKIE DOKIE!" in that horrid high pitched Mario voice
>third guy gets pissed off and leaves
That sort of thing.

That voice was a massive fuck up on Nintendo's part, and they just kept doubling down on it until people accepted it.

[Anonymous No.8062043]

>>8058059
I think I remember seeing something on it in a magazine or online or something when I was younger, and being really confused, I was super into metal slug as a kid

[Anonymous No.8062053]

Sonic had a rough transition to 3D to day the least.

[Anonymous No.8062064]

>>8062041
Where I lived at the time, very few people had PSX or gaming PCs. Everyone went from SNES/Genesis to N64.

[Anonymous No.8062069]

>>8062041
this. rip Lou Albano.

[Anonymous No.8062087]

>>8058402
I liked it a lot, for the time it was great. You're just on the bandwagon

[Anonymous No.8062097]

>>8058412
something feels super jank about the first EX, but EX2 is a fucking fantastic game

>>8061603
there is a very clear dividing line between 3D action games developed before the release of Mario 64 and those that were developed after because of how well it controlled vs everything prior
like seriously, the only decent 3D platformer I can think of released before Mario 64 has to be Jumping Flash, and that's really an FPS

gonna assume your complaints are in good faith, so I'll say that people will accept obvious steps back if there is a significant enough step forward, and the freedom of movement Mario 64 provides is certainly that

[Anonymous No.8062109]

>>8059783
Something seems off about the sense of depth just watching this.

[Anonymous No.8062139]

>>8061603
How did it not flop? Brand loyalty. You can see by the time GC came a lot of people had got fed up with Nintendo's laziness.

[Anonymous No.8062209]

>>8062109
probably because of the rapid change in camera distance and/or fov

[Anonymous No.8062221]

>>8058109
this is an awesome game

[Anonymous No.8062532]

[Anonymous No.8062743]

>>8062087
>I liked it a lot, although it being a complete dogshit and killing off the franchise

A rare documented example of a brainlet in its natural habitat.

[Anonymous No.8063038]

>>8058059
I think they did a pretty good job with this