/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8034078]

What's their best game, and why is it Bangai-O for the Nintendo 64?

[Anonymous No.8034093]

>>8034078
Sin & Punishment

[Anonymous No.8034196]

It's Gunstar Heroes

[Anonymous No.8034272]

>Nintendo 64
>Good game
Thanks for giving me a laugh

[Anonymous No.8034275]

>>8034078
Nothing but gimmicks

[Anonymous No.8034312]

>>8034196
>Gunstar
OP asked for best, not most overrated

[Anonymous No.8034335]

>>8034312
>>8034275
>>8034272
Auster cope.

[Anonymous No.8034378]

>>8034078
>Bangai-O
Yes
>for the Nintendo 64?
No, it was better on Dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.8034407]

>>8034078

Radiant Silvergun

[Anonymous No.8034457]

Every day of the week

[Anonymous No.8034593]

Gradius CInco

[Anonymous No.8034597]

>>8034078
>Bangai-O
lol
>Nintendo 64
lol2

[Anonymous No.8035427]

>>8034593
Worst Gradius ever.

>several unskippable cutscenes
>Sakimoto can't compose good shmup music
>gimmicky and overpowered control of multiples
>checkpoints should be forced but are off by default
>lacking in organic stages/enemies; too much emphasis on Cores
>last level is a rehash of the second stage for retarded story reasons
>have to unlock Edit Mode which Shield, Ripple, etc. are locked behind
>shite rank system compared to IV's absolutely perfect mechanics
>doubles the firing limit from previous Gradius titles
>1x1 Vic Viper hitbox panders to tranmaku fans
>overlong with atrocious pacing issues
>option hunter rarely shows up

Konami made a mistake letting those talentless hacks develop a Gradius game.

[Anonymous No.8035480]

>>8035427
>Sakimoto can't compose good shmup music
Stopped reading there, you're padding your garbage list with bullshit to sound informed.

[Anonymous No.8035482]

>>8034078
Alien Soldier for the MegaDrive / Genesis

[Anonymous No.8035503]

>>8035480
It's true. He should stick to JRPGs. He's only good at doing orchestral style music which isn't suitable for shooting games.

[Anonymous No.8035530]

>>8035427
>several unskippable cutscenes
They're loading screens, fuckface.
>Sakimoto can't compose good shmup music
Retarded opinion. Go compare Tetran/Carrier/Boss themes of V to those of previous titles. The OST is great and you're a fucking dumbass for thinking otherwise.
>overpowered option formations
Don't use them, homo.
>checkpoints should be forced, but are off by default
Game respects the player by default, you mean.
>lacking in organic stages/enemies, too much emphasis on Cores
Because the setting of V is that Gradius is directly under threat. It's not in Bacterian-controlled territory.
>have to unlock Edit Mode which Shield is locked behind
Game expects you to deserve them. Git gud.
>doubles the firing limit from previous Gradius titles
And doubles the enemies.
>1x1 Vic Viper hitbox
The game is not a danmaku, and a smaller hitbox works better for 3D models for obvious reasons.
>overlong with atrocious pacing issues
You can clear it in one hour.

Gradius V is a good game. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.8035536]

>>8035480
he's right, the only actually memorable tracks from v are just remixes of old gradius music.

[Anonymous No.8035724]

>>8034312
It's both

[Anonymous No.8035809]

>>8034093

[Anonymous No.8035823]

You people are so goddamn miserable

[Anonymous No.8035917]

>>8034457
Came to here to post this.

[Anonymous No.8036135]

>>8034093
Should've been a Dreamcast/Naomi game so it'd run 60 fps and not have ugly N64 textures and vaseline smear look. Fuck Treasure for betraying Sega to go work for Nintendo.

[Anonymous No.8036184]

Why wont they make a new game?

[Anonymous No.8036692]

>>8036184
Because the modern videogame industry doesn't deserve a new Treasure game.

[Anonymous No.8036734]

>>8036184
A couple of publishers went to them to create Gacha games.
The president personally chewed these publishers out and called them out on being a cancer.
He's burnt a lot of bridges saying his true feelings.

Unfortunately it seems like they'll die being an Ikaruga porting company.

[Anonymous No.8036747]

>>8036184
>>8036734
THIS SO MUCH
Notice anything funny about ALL YOUR FAVORITE DEVS FROM THE 90s????

Every single one is whoring out their legendary IPs to make a gatcha game.
Valkyrie Profile
Star Ocean
Shining Force
Tales of
Langrisser
etc.

It it was cool in the 90s and that gen liked it, and you want it, publishers only care about gatcha so force the devs to make them. However the public already has the gatcha they want, the money isn't in them anymore. You know Japanese corporate masters are renowned to being dinosaurs who can't see current events and are stuck on the last big thing, like how when fortnite was big they still though spinners were in.

[Anonymous No.8036775]

>>8034378
>>8036135
Cope commie

[Anonymous No.8036892]

>>8036775
Holy cope, the game is literally better on Dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.8036908]

>>8036734
Can I get a source for this? I'd like to read it with my own eyes, and feel sadness.

[Anonymous No.8036925]

>>8036908
http://segabits.com/blog/2017/10/30/treasure-president-teases-announcement-for-2018-vows-never-to-work-on-social-games/

Keep in mind he made the tweet on New Years and has since deleted it. Most likely drunk posting and bitching about the type of publishers that approach him.

[Anonymous No.8036927]

>>8036925
Drunk but also based, sadly it doesn't seem the industry will appreciate him for it.

[Anonymous No.8036952]

>>8034078
I preferred it on DC

[Anonymous No.8037053]

>>8036135
Nah, it's already perfect artistically. Being on different hardware probably would have made it look worse, maybe would have looked something like the artistically inferior sequel. And the framerate's fine

[Anonymous No.8037140]

>>8034078
For me these are Dynamite Heady and Alien Solider.
Honestly much of their late catalog seems to be quite underrated.
Guardian Heroes Advance was trashed by most critics despite it being one of the very few beat-em-ups which dared to revision old mechanics for the sake of creating a more dynamic progression flow.
The Astro Boy game is pretty much Alien Solider 2, but I've never heard of anyone who would describe it in such manner.
The most underrated of all is probably Sin & Punishment 2 which might also be their last truly unique title.
S&P2 seems to experiment with the concept of "shooting things on rails" more than any other game. Sometimes it transitions from a 3d sidescroller to a 2d shmup. Then it changes to bird-view perspective. There is a section in which you have mange the havoc behind you, that is followed by one where you to shoot platforms to balance them. Sometimes you need to turn around the enemies, other times they turn around you. Sometimes it's more about aim precision, and other times it's about dodging & movement accuracy.
Shame that almost no-one remembers it.

[Anonymous No.8037175]

>>8037140
Star Successor is legit some of Treasure's absolute best work, it's one of the best Wii exclusives as well. Man, I'm gonna go play it. Thanks for reminding me how much I loved that game, anon

[Anonymous No.8037214]

>>8034272
this

[Anonymous No.8037217]

>>8034078
Light Crusader

[Anonymous No.8037264]

Konami basically proved they could do a Treasure game with Contra: Hard Corps but you gotta admire Treasure for doing it first.

[Anonymous No.8038310]

Mischief Makers

[Anonymous No.8038327]

Light Crusader. Any other games like it?

[Anonymous No.8038370]

>>8036925
>>8036734
So Treasure has been based this entire time and OP is a massive faggot who should throw himself in a shallow grave.

[Anonymous No.8038724]

>>8038327
Solstice and Equinox

[Anonymous No.8038739]

>>8038327
Arcus odysee just for the isometric perspective.

There is also landstalker, but the combat takes a hit in that game.
Platforming is great though.

>>8038724
Those are more puzzle exploration games.
You could just list the billion zx spectrum isometric puzzle exploration games at that point.

Light crusader is also one of the few isometric games that gets isometric platforming right.

[Anonymous No.8038746]

>>8034078
Guardian heroes is there best game.
Didn't they make alien soldier too?

[Anonymous No.8038750]

>>8038746
It was basically one person and then later on when the deadline came the rest of treasure finished the game.

[Anonymous No.8038782]

>>8037175
Awesome game not a ton more on wii like it that I've played.

[Anonymous No.8038880]

>>8037053
Based take

[Anonymous No.8039014]

>>8038746
>Guardian heroes is there best game.
loads of unskippable cutscenes, too easy for a bmup (no thanks to its progression system), horrible slowdowns thanks to the shiturn hardware sucking ass...

guardian heroes is one of their worst games. the vs. mode is kinda fun to fuck around in though, i'll give it that much.

[Anonymous No.8039174]

>>8036734
I don't understand how game companies even work. Are all its employees earning a monthly wage doing literally nothing?

[Anonymous No.8039461]

Why were they so bad during 6th gen? Pumping out such garbage as Stretch Panic, Dragon Drive, Tiny Toons: Buster's Bad Dream, Wario World, Advanced Guardian Heroes, Gunstar Superheroes....

[Anonymous No.8040325]

>>8034378
Real bangai O fans know both offer something different and aren't interchangeable
Dreamcast has different bomb system and removed the ranks, making it more friendly for newcomers, also has a couple extra bosses.
N64 is more robust when it comes to scoring, so it's better for seasoned players.
If you like bangai O, you wouldn't dislike either of them, or think that one can replace the other.

[Anonymous No.8040369]

>>8040325
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the mechanics surrounding the super shot different? In the Dreamcast version, it's determined by the amount of attacks that are about to hit you which makes for a better risk vs reward system, also the Dreamcast can have more missiles on screen at once. Imo, many of the balancing changes make it pretty much superior than the 64 version. Also the game only ever came to the west on the Dreamcast anyway.

[Anonymous No.8040456]

>>8040369
DC limits the max missiles to match the targets on screen though. N64 lets you spam up to 100 missiles at once for a total of 10 consecutive spams, so 1000 missiles, which is more than the max you can spam consecutively on DC (500). Both of them are nuts anyway, there is no inferior version.
The balancing on N64 is just fine, the level up system is super rewarding if you are good comboing. DC is more simple, that's why I say it's better for beginners, while original provides more meat for scoring and skill ceiling. The risk vs reward plays effect always in bangai o, the combo mechanic on N64 also requires it.

[Anonymous No.8040502]

Why don't they make simple budget arcadey games and release them on every platform they can afford to? Indie development has gotten very cheap from what I'm seeing, and self-publishing in the digital era is even more braindead.

[Anonymous No.8041108]

>>8040502
Older Japanese are boomers who don't know about the PC indie scene, in Japan to a lot of these people the low-budget indie scene is on phones.
I read that Untold History of JP Devs book and the interviewer suggested PC indie/rereleases to the Mitchell Corporation president and he said "I had no idea about any of that? But the budget phone scene has looked promising."
I think the Pang IP has gotten some rereleases/remakes on stream lately so I guess he finally figured out about it though.

[Anonymous No.8041513]

>>8034378
>No, it was better on Dreamcast.
Agreed.

>better graphics, music, more content & less slowdowns
>better bomb system (proximity-based > hold button to charge, destroying stuff to refill the gauge > collecting fruits to refill it)
>better game balance leading to faster gameplay (no having to waste time on every level powering your mech up via the shop system, mech is already fully powered)

No reason to play the inferiour beta on N64 in current year when the perfected Dreamcast version exists.

[Anonymous No.8041527]

>>8036135
Sega fags on suicide watch.

>>8034093
So fucking good man.

[Anonymous No.8041560]

>>8034078
Mischief Makers for me
Try to go for the S-ranks, I fucking dare you

[Anonymous No.8041574]

>>8041527
>Sega fags on suicide watch.
Meh, at the end of the day we got the better rail shooters. Enjoy your Star Yiff and Sin & Excrement, though.

[Anonymous No.8041607]

>>8041574
I'm glad I own both the sega saturn and the n64 so I can enjoy all the games I want (:

[Anonymous No.8041614]

>>8041607
Auster grew up with euro jank so he will never understand that.
Poor schizo.

[Anonymous No.8041627]

>>8041574
>Tries to talk about shit hardware
>Shows saturn game

Get your head checked faggot. N64 is god tier.

[Anonymous No.8041649]

>>8041513
>>better graphics, music, more content & less slowdowns
I prefer the more retro graphics of the original, and Bnagai O's sprite is legit better on 64 (compare both the moment you unleash the missiles). Music is different in both versions, and both are good but some of my fav tracks are on 64. I'll give you the extra bosses and less slowdown.
>>better bomb system (proximity-based > hold button to charge, destroying stuff to refill the gauge > collecting fruits to refill it)
Yeah but DC limits your missiles, plus if you actually know how to play you know collecting fruit on 64 can be done quickly, as hordes of enemies leave them behind as you go. Fruits are kinda not important on DC which is weird.
>>better game balance leading to faster gameplay (no having to waste time on every level powering your mech up via the shop system, mech is already fully powered)
Same as with the fruit, if you know how to play leveling happens quickly.
DC is fine, just less complex and more beginner friendly.
Both versions are good and worth playing. Anyone going "muh inferiour, muh nintendo hateboner, muh treasure betrayed sega" is not to be taken seriously. Besides, why do you even pretend to be a sega fan? Back to your anti-saturn shitposting and your eurokanj speccy games.

[Anonymous No.8042215]

>>8041560
I thought I was hot shit getting A-ranks through the whole game until the second to the last level where you had to shake the text bubbles and I got my first S rank. I was so disappointed.