/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8030716]

What the fuck is the point of fusing party members if they're just going to change back whenever any story event happens? I'm in the last dungeon and my party members keep changing back because of all the cutscenes. It feels retarded you can't fuse whenever like in the first game.

[Anonymous No.8031036]

If that's the one thing you have to complain about BoF II, then you must have loved the game.

[Anonymous No.8031824]

Yeah I didn't bother with the forms either after two cutscenes, like fuck your shit I'm not going to trek back so you can undo it ten minutes later.

[Anonymous No.8032364]

I didn't even play it that long before I dropped it in disgust. My three strikes:
>the sheer amount of backtracking you do on the first continent whenever you have to go back to your hometown
>which is made worse by there being no repel item like there was in the first game
>the build-your-town sidequest is never fully explained, and you can easily screw yourself out of unique content by simply saying yes to the wrong NPC (in my case, I said "Meow" to a a cat, and it permanently took the place of another NPC who would've sold two ultimate weapons)
Shit game. People only remember it fondly because of Katt/Lin and the aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.8032506]

in the first one I think you stayed fused. also in the first one when you changed into a dragon, you stayed a dragon for the whole fight.

[Anonymous No.8032849]

>>8032506
Characters defuse during cutscenes but you can refuse them immediately after

[Anonymous No.8033042]

>that encounter rate
>attempting to run away wastes everyone's turn
>ryu's dragon forms are shit
>tedious dungeon design with very boring dungeon music, not to mention there's a ton of them, every worthless little quest ends with a dungeon - even getting some bugs for a recipe
>most shamans being found way too late for the system to be interesting
>critical condition cancels shaman combos
>cutscenes remove shaman combos
>that final dungeon
>that entire quest to get a stupid tree a stupid fucking pillow
>sten's quest (and you just know most people didn't use that ugly worthless monkey)
>getting bow back into your party takes way too long
>way too easy to screw up the base building
>battles are well animated but it makes the plentiful battles even slower
>guessing which mushroom to take or do the entire dungeon again

this trash game pissed me off so fucking much, my number one overrated jrpg along with xenogears
here's a tip for new players - fucking don't play this game
if you still decide to play it, when you're saving the villagers in that well make sure to let one of them die so you can give the Cure2 spell to Nina, whose ability let's her have virtually unlimited MP
use a fucking guide, this game is definitely not worth paying blind

[Anonymous No.8034204]

>>8033042
Finally somebody I can agree with. I felt like I played the game wrong for the longest time. The thing that got me was the encounter rate, not explaining the fusions, and needing to have a certain party member be in the front to activate cinematics/quests to advance the story. I wasted 3 hours of my life scouring the entire world to advance the story and finally gave up and saw that I had to have Kat in front when talking to the Whale or something stupid. Which sucks because I had so much fun in BoF1 but now I'm afraid to go back and play it.

[Anonymous No.8034269]

>>8031036
It was just what pisses me off the most. Story-wise I like it a lot more than the first game but mechanically it is so much worse. If the mechanics and story were combined it probably would have been great.

[Anonymous No.8034290]

This game has always been shit. I never liked Katt and how broken she was and would purposely use weak characters to make the game harder. I remember I started using a guide when I got to the frog village because I got stuck and the gamefaqs guides would have sections on what not to miss. Game wuld've been worse for me if I played it blind.

[Anonymous No.8034318]

>>8032364
Filtered and worked.

[Anonymous No.8034862]

>>8032364
And you missed out on a decent game as a result. Backtrack fetch quests can be dull but you should have used Rands roll ability and skipped literally 99% of the work.
>>8033042
Need a hanky Anon? Literally 100% wrong info.

[Anonymous No.8034870]

This is something I think wouldn't be too hard to fix with a romhack or something.

[Anonymous No.8034872]

>>8034290
I enjoyed the game playing without a guide but it took a couple of plays through to find most of the obvious secret stuff. After reading guides it was surprising to me how much more there was to find. Still I would recommend no guide at least one time through

[Anonymous No.8034886]

>>8034290
The designers made sure to force the player to use all the main characters a bit. Is the game really worse for that? First timers will learn which companions suit their style and everyone else knows when to grind or ditch comps they dislike.

[Anonymous No.8034940]

>>8030716
someone here mentioned you could fuse right after it happens. personally i just went through the last boss unfused. dont need to be such a fag about it you big baby
>>8032364
>waaaa i gotta walk 2 mins back waaa
there is a repel item in the game dummy
serves you right for talking to a stupid cat npc stupid catfag
>>8033042
waaa its too hard waaa
another huge faggot filtered
>>8034204
its obvious you have to use her after trying every character eventually you land on the right one
>>8034290
katt isn't even broken she's okay-ish doesnt even have any magic


It does have a lot of fights but you can auto attack everything.
Finished it in feb of this year. Give it a 8/10. really enjoyed my play-through it was a game that i played as a kid and never got to finish, was long overdue

[Anonymous No.8035004]

>>8034940
>there is a repel item in the game dummy
There isn't.
>serves you right for talking to a stupid cat npc stupid catfag
It lives in its own house by the sea, completely alone on the world map. Of course I'm going to talk to it, that just fucking makes sense in a JRPG. Honestly, it sounds like you never actually played the game, and you're just a contratian shitposting teenager.

[Anonymous No.8035181]

>>8034862
Everything I said was true you shitposting faggot
Play the game for yourself instead of watching a let's play of it

[Anonymous No.8035515]

>>8030716
still mad that the ability to swap between unused and active party members mid fight got removed. One of my favorite mechanics in jarpigs and they binned it until 4

[Anonymous No.8035553]

>>8034870
Not sure about that. There's a romhack to lower the HP threshhold for unfusing in battle and blocking status effects from doing the same, but the way cutscenes work sometimes requires the default sprite animations and rather than include new sprites to fill in the gaps the powers at be just kill active fusions across the board so there won't be conflicts. Lame.

[Anonymous No.8035561]

>>8034870
Not sure about that. There's a romhack to lower the HP threshhold for unfusing in battle and blocking status effects from doing the same, but the way cutscenes work sometimes requires the default sprite animations and rather than include new sprites to fill in the gaps the powers at be just kill active fusions across the board so there won't be conflicts. Lame.

[Anonymous No.8035963]

>>8034940
The game says it has a repel item but it doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.8036145]

>>8035181
>calls shitposting faggot
> talking to self becoming a big problem these days
The truth is you hate /vr but yet to realise tis

[Anonymous No.8036359]

>>8035963
Smoke? It works to reduce the counter rate just fine. Just not by much. They still happen randomly

[Anonymous No.8036380]

>>8033042
So many issues, just enjoy the journey mate! I think renew is a better spell than cure 2 for a fast comp eg Sten. So is chopchop, if you can find it!

[Anonymous No.8036618]

>>8036359
Maybe it was reduced so little while the encounter rate is so high I didn't notice anything.

[Anonymous No.8036636]

>>8030716
best game ever made

[Anonymous No.8036639]

When Nina's sister lets out that pathetic yelp after she transforms into a bird made me feel

[Anonymous No.8036680]

>>8036639
The final moment with Rand and his mom really got me.

[Anonymous No.8036686]

>>8036618
The encounter rate gets insane at certain points, about every 4-6 steps. Smoke makes it normally 6-8 but can still get encounters in only 3. I can appreciate some find this frustrating but helps teams get strong enough to brute force through on auto quickly

[Anonymous No.8036787]

>>8036639
>>8036680
Maybe it was just being in my younger teens back then, but I still feel like Breath of Fire 2 was one of the more emotionally distressing games I ever played.

[Anonymous No.8036839]

>>8030716
The game is telling you something the second last boss can be fought with just the hero and final boss will unmerge your party some comps are pretty useless unmerged. Just use exit spell if you need to. These are one off events

[Anonymous No.8037026]

>>8036839
Then why have access to any decent shaman so late in the game?

[Anonymous No.8037030]

>>8036680
>The final moment with Rand and his mom really got me.
Yeah, it was so crushing.

[Anonymous No.8037032]

>>8036686
>The encounter rate gets insane at certain points, about every 4-6 steps
I bet you equipped Rand, Katt and Bow with the Collars, yes? The Collar is a cursed item that increases the enemy encounter rate, and it's only useful for item farming, especially if you want to get late game weapons and armor.

[Anonymous No.8037043]

>>8037032
I rarely play Katt ever or Bow late in the game. Rand more so... But far from universally. It may be an issue with the PAL version. Some games have strange timing issues.

[Anonymous No.8037046]

>>8037026
Good question that I can't answer. The earliest Shaman suit the weakest comp (Sten) and there is at least one Shaman very well hidden that can be discovered early. Perhaps more very well hidden. I always thought they came a bit late too

[Anonymous No.8037115]

>>8037030
CARLOS!

[Anonymous No.8037134]

>>8036787
>Maybe it was just being in my younger teens back then, but I still feel like Breath of Fire 2 was one of the more emotionally distressing games I ever played.
Ryu loses his father and his mother, and his sister is alive but they do not recognize each other anymore. To make it worse, the player can kill Ryu's father if isn't careful which immediately triggers the route for a bad end, no matter how many hours of gameplay are left.
Katt is all alone in the world and when she finally meets another member of ehr race the guy ends up admiting she loves a human girl, only to die a little later.
Sten is a shell shocked war veteran who loses his best friend and gives up the love of his life because he knows he could never make her happy.
Nina is a misfit who was exiled fro her kingdom and disowned by her own family because of her black wings, her dad is on his last legs and his sister gives up her humanity to give her a chance to save the world.
Rand is hated by his mom because he wanted to be something more than a farmer and when they finally get to understand each other, his mom has to sacrifice her life so he could live.
Jean is an idiot with a senile father ruling a kingdom of cretins.
Spar is fine I guess.
Bleu is a drunken immortal who only helps the good guys to stave off the boredom.

Yeah, the game is kind of depressing, especially when you notice that the more you keep playing, the worse everything keeps turning out for the world and the good guys can't do jack to save everyone.

[Anonymous No.8037138]

>>8032364
toxotards btfo

[Anonymous No.8037235]

>>8037134
Wasn't Spar a slave?

[Anonymous No.8037294]

>>8037134
Yeah. Also a number of the missions were really disturbing like facehuggers in a well. And others were a mix of that and me wondering what drugs the writers were on like being cooked to death by giant cats or deflating an obese queen by shrinking down and fighting her fat. It wouldn't bother me so much now, but as a kid it was rather distressing.

[Anonymous No.8037303]

>>8037235
He only stayed as part of the circus because he knew that way Ryu and his group could find him so he could join him, and Spar makes clear that he could have escaped anytime if he needed to, which made Katt blow her lid because it meant that the difficult boss fight to release him was all for nothing.

[Anonymous No.8039110]

>>8034940
>you have to use her because you should try every character

Why the fuck would I ever need to change my character that is at the front though? I never did and figured it was just preference of who you wanted to see on the overworld. It also sucks to travel all the way back to the change station.

>>8035004
>repel item

It doesn't work. I think a lot of my issues with the game could be solved by reading an in depth game manual that explains every mechanic because it's not intuitive at all. Aparantly on the pause screen the character animation is faster/slower depending on how many enemies are in the area? I think the colour also has something to do with it.

I feel like a lot of these games with high encounter rates are unplayable after playing a game like Lufia 2 that handles the overworld correctly.

[Anonymous No.8039127]

>>8033042
>sten's quest (and you just know most people didn't use that ugly worthless monkey)

Oh boy
>hey remember that useless little shit you never put in your party? Now he's your only party member for this dungeon, hope he's still not just level 1 haha

[Anonymous No.8039260]

>>8039127
the game adjusts its difficulty depending on what level the character is. At least I remember that with the Nina section

[Anonymous No.8039265]

>>8039260
I remember getting absolutely murdered in the Sten solo section becaue the game clearly wanted me to be on a much higher level than I was.

[Anonymous No.8039290]

>>8039260
there's an enemy with a death spell during his quest lmao

[Anonymous No.8039293]

>>8039265
I remember getting filtered by the sten solo section too my first playthrough. I was able to grind for a while somewhere I think, but that is definitely a part that stops a lot of people who decided not to use sten.

[Anonymous No.8039318]

I have tried to play this game many many times over the course of 2 decades and have never been able to keep playing past the first 10 hours

[Anonymous No.8039321]

>>8039318
Not this game the first game I mean

[Anonymous No.8039662]

>>8034269
>Story-wise I like it a lot more than the first game
Yeah, it's story is very good and engaging. It's my favorite in all of the Breath of Fire games.

>mechanically it is so much worse
It did a few things wrong but it's not that bad.

I also didn't find it as grindy as people say when I played it many years ago. But maybe that's just because I'm used to these types of games.

It's biggest and only significant flaw in my opinion is it's insane encounter rate in certain areas. It's the one thing that made me almost drop the game, other than that I can't remember anything else that I really disliked about it, but then I played it many years ago and I need to replay it so I can form an accurate opinion. I know that the game is iconic for having one of the worst, if not THE worst localization ever, but I don't count that as a flaw of the game itself and as an ESL I still managed to understand the story very well and beat the game when I was much younger and less proficient at english.

[Anonymous No.8039665]

>>8039110
> repel item
It does work. Use smoke and don't use the collar item. Yes marching speed indicates encounter rate, but colour change indicates status change. The zombie version is hilarious
> change leader
This is used for lots of things. Didn't you ever use comp special abilities on the map? You may have missed a few things.

[Anonymous No.8039689]

>>8039662
Giant island almost eliminates the need for painful grinding as soon as the whale is available. Having chopchop is essential to handle the giant flies though. I give that to Sten bcos his swch ability let's you get the best enemies, like k sludge, which gives mega xp.

Apart from needing Sten to be strong enough for his own quest, I find he is more versatile than Katt in infinity (slightly more durable, has magic and swch) and matches well with other Shaman combos

[Anonymous No.8039730]

>>8039689
Bow's "aim" skill allows you to one-shot most of the giant bosses anyways.

[Anonymous No.8039736]

WHAT THE FUCK ARE THE WHALE CAKES FOR?

[Anonymous No.8039754]

>>8039730
True and I use Bow for this too. Bows ability is not 100% reliable though and Sten is faster.

Together they make short work of the annoying high Def enemies well bofore Jean gets his chop ability, which is similarly useful but I find a bit slow to be really useful

[Anonymous No.8039764]

>>8039736
I felt bad for the family selling whale cakes and bought a bunch hoping something would happen involving their new fortune. Nothing happened so I assume they're poor because they're stupid.

[Anonymous No.8039787]

>>8039764
Maybe devs had something in mind similar to the Namanda donation?
>>8039736
I never found a use for them. Seems to be for completionists to collect. Tolens are useless too if you don't have the tree house village. Why would you, when you can cook!

[Anonymous No.8039815]

>>8039689
I remember that island. I think there is a similar place in BoF I. An isolated tiny island with giant monsters that give massive xp and a lot of money.

I didn't grind in it though because as I said I didn't find the game to be that hard. I think most people that think the game is hard and need to grind a lot just don't strategize and try to brute force their way through everything.

[Anonymous No.8039826]

>>8030716
The worst part about transformations, is when you get in the last dungeon and have been in there for like 30 minutes only to realize you can't continue because your character has been merged.

I just finished 4 in moon runes. How did the scias has a drinking problem in the japanese version rumor start? He was just an autist with a stutter. There was no mention of any kind of alcoholism unless I missed something.

[Anonymous No.8039841]

>>8039826
Scias slurs his words in a drunken way.

And yeah, Ursula drops her pants to prove she's a woman when some sailors try to flag has as a man, then Ryu accidentally grabs one of her tits and later Ryu watches Ursula and Nina bathing naked before Ursula spots him and shoots at him.
And then we have the infamous decapitation scene.

[Anonymous No.8039847]

>>8039826
are you nip?

[Anonymous No.8039851]

>>8039815
Haha brute force is a strategy... Of sorts.

True though. Lots of strategies are available in bof2 but it is easy to get strong and just do it the brainless way too

[Anonymous No.8039859]

>>8039841
What about BoF I when that old man asks Nina for a back rub but in the jap version she actually gives him a massage with a happy ending?

[Anonymous No.8039868]

>>8039859
Nina only gives her a shoulder massage and that's it.
The happy ending is only a running gag on Dragon Quest, where everyone knows what it is, but with the twist that the game never gives you the real thing and instead tricks you with different things.

[Anonymous No.8039870]

>>8039841
>Scias slurs his words in a drunken way.
He doesn't. He just stutters.

>And yeah, Ursula drops her pants to prove she's a woman when some sailors try to flag has as a man

She doesn't do it to prove she's a woman. They know she is a woman. She drops trow because the final task to prove to the sailors that women can be on board is the captain says sailors need conviction, I think it was conviction, and to prove that conviction, they needed to show their bare asses. Nina gets embarrassed and Ursula drops her pants. Then the sailors get embarrassed and Ursula said she would've removed her panties too.

>>8039847
No but just got done playing the nip version.

The biggest annoyance is for whatever reason they changed all Shinto and Japanese related things into Chinese. Also I don't remember in the English version but it's heavily implied that foulu and mami, the villager girl that rescues him, bang.

[Anonymous No.8039896]

>>8039826
This only happens once and there is a dividebl item for this reason

[Anonymous No.8039984]

>>8039896
Yeah but I was a young lad. It also annoyed me that my party was ryu, rand, nina, and bleu. So I essentially just quit because I didn't want to use sten or katt. It wasn't until like 15 years later that I went and finished the game.

[Anonymous No.8040247]

>>8039984
Those comps are pretty good. I can understand if you didn't use those other 2 and then it was too much trouble.
Did you change teams much when you came back to the game?

I hated Spar as a kid, mostly because of his art and lack of personality. Coming back later he wasn't too bad, particularly in bulb form

[Anonymous No.8040471]

>>8034940
you sound like a huge fag

[Anonymous No.8040694]

>>8039665
Yeah I used the horse move on the map so I could move fast and that's about it. I was obsessed with SNES RPGs and tried my hardest to enjoy this game. I beat it but I hated it after the halfway mark. What the fuck was the deal with that long tower and at the end you have two door choices and one sends you outside the castle? If I chose that wrong I would have turned off the game and never played it again. Fuck that. Bad game design.

[Anonymous No.8041012]

>>8040247
Yeah I did. If I remember right you are pretty much forced to use sten and katt to get through the final dungeon aren't you?

[Anonymous No.8041540]

>>8041012
I always loved Ryu's complex designs and attire. I would have a blast trying to draw him as a kid referencing his official art. Drawing all his straps and shit is fun

[Anonymous No.8041689]

>>8041540
Agreed. Even if there are unnecessary straps and strings it is a lot less offensive than later final fantasy games, or kingdom hearts games.

[Anonymous No.8042067]

>>8041012
The game forces you to use Katt as soon you get her because she's the only figther besides of Ryu who is worth shit.
Plus, she is mandatory to get inside the rebels camp and you cannot finish the whale quest without her.

[Anonymous No.8042071]

>>8042067
It sucks because she's a shit.

[Anonymous No.8042102]

I want to replay each game but don't want to waste my life hmm

[Anonymous No.8042586]

>>8042102
It's not wasted if you enjoy it

[Anonymous No.8042853]

>>8042102
The first two aren't very long

[Anonymous No.8043714]

>>8041012
No but it may seem so in places.

There is a spot in the first half of infinity that requires unmerged Sten to explore. That area can be pretty tough first time in. If you try going that way, possible disaster.

Katt is needed for a certain location much further down, also not mandatory.

[Anonymous No.8044653]

>>8043714
Katt is needed through all the game because BoFII is a game where attack magic is complete shit and brute force can easily get you through any battle, and a decently leveled Katt can one shot most enemies since her high speed always makes her attack first, plus her unique ability to automatically counterattack every time she's hit can help you to finish a battle without needing a second turn.
If you don't believe me, just remember when she leaves the group for plot devices and how suddenly every battle becomes twice as difficult because:
- Bow is just an average character with average power and you will use his turn just to heal everyone else anyways.
- Rand is a shit figther and his equipment barely raises any of his stats
- Nina is shit at physical attacks and she only has enough magic for a dozen of decent spells before she runs dry.
-Sten is a mediocre figther and mediocre magician no matter how much you level him up
-Spar is a weak character who deals shit damage and while his unique skill (Nature) is powerful, it's also unreliable as shit so you never know if you will get something useful or useless.
-Bleu is strong and useful... if you can find and recruit her during the small window the game gives you to do so.
And then we have Ryu, who is strong and can auto counterattack just like Katt, but without her support he just cannot carry the entire battle by himself.

[Anonymous No.8044848]

>>8044653
>Nina is shit at physical attacks and she only has enough magic for a dozen of decent spells before she runs dry.
Maybe at the beginning of the game but mid and late she can lob spells off like she's handing out candy at Halloween. Also BoF2 nina is best nina.

[Anonymous No.8044895]

Ryu - Bow - Katt - Bleu
the dream team

[Anonymous No.8046696]

>>8044848
She can cast just a dozen or so of spells before she conks out, because yeah, she might gain more MP the more you level her up, but the more you advance in the game, the stronger the enemies get and so you need to switch to cast more MP expensive spells so her magic still burns out fast.
And yeah, she's the best Nina of all.

[Anonymous No.8046774]

>>8044653
you're forgetting the most powerful character of all

[Anonymous No.8046789]

>>8046774
When his skill hits, that's it.

[Anonymous No.8046829]

I tried to play 3 and couldn't get through it. I successfully completed 1 and 2 but I think I will jump to 4. Is 4 decent?

[Anonymous No.8046837]

>>8046829
4 is fucking incredible and it fixes all the mistakes you saw on previous games.
It nerfed down some dragon forms, though.

[Anonymous No.8046852]

>>8046829
What was wrong with 3? 1-5 are all respectable games. So I would recommend them all.

[Anonymous No.8046892]

>>8046837
Good to know. I am getting it set up right now

[Anonymous No.8046895]

>>8046852
I just dropped it after getting momo. I had a hard time caring about the story/characters for some reason and the encounters were driving me crazy. Hopefully 4 is going to be better

[Anonymous No.8046914]

>>8046895
Man you didn't even make it past the childhood arc. If encounters annoyed you don't expect much difference in 4. If you're playing on an emulator just use the no encounter cheat. Also how did you get past 1 and 2 where the encounter rate is absurd?

[Anonymous No.8046919]

>>8046895
Frankly, BoF 3 isn't a bad game, but it has too many tedious parts that end up killing your interest, like that fucking farm or Momo's place.

[Anonymous No.8047576]

>>8044653
My assessment of end game characters:

Katt plays thru battles quick but is terribly weak esp unmerged. Eventually attacks get in that nail her.
Nina is quite powerful later in the game but I get bored with the time magic takes to play out.
Bow's merge is underwhelming but useful. A little weak but his healing is awesome.
Spars is durable, good spread of spells. Healing is basic. Bulb forms takes a round to sprout, but is decent.
Sten is slower than Katt with no counter but better in basically every other way, and I take him in preference. Max their stats and see why.
Jean is useless for large stretches of the game. Somewhat redeemed at the end, if you can tolerate grinding and his 'personality'.
Rand is more durable than Bow, with similarly good healing but worse offense. A strong alternative.
Bleu Is the ultimate. Unless you're after a healer.

There is no one man team here... And merge combos strongly guide your choices. So what is your final team/merge?

[Anonymous No.8048005]

God damn, a decent BoF II thread on /vr/, with people actually discussing the game's story and mechanics was unimaginable a few years ago. I really didn't think I'd still be coming to 4chan when this day would come.
I guess everyone HAS to get a life eventually.

You newfags have no idea.

[Anonymous No.8048118]

>>8047576
I always keep Ryu for my first main attacker and nothing else, since his dragon magic drains him of all of his MP with a single use, so what's the point of wasting magic on a normal fight. His special ability to recover HP is not very useful, since you can just use the same turn to use a healing item for a better effect, so stick him to just hit enemies and that will do good enough.

Katt is my second main attacker, since she's the fastest and strongest character of the entire game. Her magic is shit and her special ability to attract enemies is useless, so the only useful strategy is sticking to KATT SMASHES through the entire game and that's all. Keep an eye on her HP during early levels, since her HP and defense are shit. Once she's shamanized, the game becomes a cakewalk.

Bleu is an excellent supporting character who can fight better than most characters and her magic outclasses Nina's, plus her special ability (Shed) makes her an endless source of magic attacks to massacre whatever enemies survived Ryu and Katt's opening attacks.

And finally, there's Bow, who is useless as a front figther because of his low speed and attack, but stick him on the rear row on a supporting role to heal, buff and attack (give him the Double Bow and he will finish off whatever bastard is still standing) and he will get you through the toughest areas. Once you shamanize him, he can support Bleu's magic attacks to finish a battle before the second turn.

[Anonymous No.8049047]

>>8048118
Balanced team: Katt (devil wid) Nina (wind holy) Rand (earth water) not my favourite team but has a bit of everything. Good if Bleu wasn't found

[Anonymous No.8049064]

>>8048118
Team blitz: Katt (devil water) Sten (wind fire) Rand (earth holy) fast battles with some healing

[Anonymous No.8049078]

>>8048118
Team auto:
Katt Sten Spar
Uses all Shaman ok

Blitz team ultra:
Katt Sten Jean.
Jean can only use holy, but this kills almost everything in 2rounds
No healing though!

[Anonymous No.8049209]

who do you give chopchop to?

[Anonymous No.8049630]

>>8049209
Nina so she had a better melee option if she was low on MP or was against monsters resistant to magic.

[Anonymous No.8049995]

>>8049209
I unironically gave it to Ryu, because I only used that skill on the giant monster island, so it only made sense to give it to the character who was always in my team so everyone else could benefit from the easy exp grinding.

[Anonymous No.8050136]

This thread is making me want to play BoF I to IV again.

[Anonymous No.8050846]

>>8050136
I am the anon who dropped 3. 4 is a blast so far. A lot of desert but that is okay I guess. I will probably finish 3 after this

[Anonymous No.8051002]

>>8049209
Chopchop is good for a fast comp - Sten or Katt to take on chorkings on giant island.
I avoid giving it to Ryu because it is good against ganets and he is the most likely to do more than 1 damage regardless of the current team.

[Anonymous No.8051027]

>>8050846
I loved III, it's my favorite. The aesthetics, the atmosphere and the characters, the best dragon transformation system with the gems, everything is amazing.

It also has THE best fishing minigame ever, it is SO GOOD that it could be it's own videogame.

[Anonymous No.8051056]

Thoughts on the re-translation of BoF2? I really like it's personality.

[Anonymous No.8051078]

>>8051056
I'm considering it but I heard they messed with the gameplay to make it "easier" when the game isn't hard at all, making it a cakewalk.

[Anonymous No.8051092]

>>8051078
It doesn't include any real hard changes to gameplay, just some QoL stuff like a run button and seeing how much AP a spell will use.

[Anonymous No.8051126]

>>8051092
wouldnt that make rank useless? I remember having a fucking blast rolling around the map as a kid

[Anonymous No.8051139]

>>8051126
Don't remember if it works on the overworld or not. Also it's not like using Rand to roll around is disabled or anything.

[Anonymous No.8051179]

>>8035561
It's great that there isn't an item that just lets you fuse while out in the field, or in a non hostile location. Sure does feel awesome that you can't just pick options from a list to get a fusion.

[Anonymous No.8052291]

>>8051179
If BoFII was ever remade they should certainly address it, sucks having to backtrack to Township every time. You need only do so to make a particular fusion the first time, after that the game simply remembers the combo and you can use an item or, say, dragon statue to do it remotely by choosing from a list of known fusions combinations.

The best solution is still just accounting for the fusion on cutscenes or field skills and not forcing the separation unless your party member dies in battle. Sten and Katt losing their field moves after fusion is some bullshit.

[Anonymous No.8052340]

>>8051027
>It also has THE best fishing minigame ever, it is SO GOOD that it could be it's own videogame.
Years ago, Chingchongland sold it as a separate game for mobile phones.

[Anonymous No.8052345]

>>8051056
You have to get used to some things, but it's all right. It's definitely the preferred way to play if it's your first time, or not used to the foibles of early jRPG jank.

[Anonymous No.8052531]

>>8052345
There's obviously some charm to the original jank Capcom translation, but the way the re-translation gives everybody a clear personality/some pizazz it makes it hard to go back to. Bosch is a top tier bro for example, though him not being in the party for so long still shits me.

[Anonymous No.8052560]

BoF 3 had the cool overworld and best minigames and exploration. Lots of things to try out, good story. BoF 4 wasn't bad, but it felt more on the rails and lost the cool overworld.

I remember during BoF 4 development the developers in a magazine said that they didn't need 3D as they'd just include so many frames of 2D animation you wouldn't even notice it was missing 3D. Did it work, bros?

[Anonymous No.8053731]

>>8052291
>If BoF2 is ever made
TOP KEK you'll be getting a mobile gacha

[Anonymous No.8053843]

>>8049209
So who do you give Boombada to, or do you even bother?

[Anonymous No.8054046]

>>8053843
Is that the one where you time the bell ringing? It was too annoying and not worth it so I didn't bother.

[Anonymous No.8054116]

>>8032364
Does anyone remember kattlolcow?

[Anonymous No.8054208]

>>8053843
I like Boombada as a spell, but it used too much ap from memory. It was horrible to time right even on legit console, worse on most emu tho so didn't bother there
>>8054116
What's that?

[Anonymous No.8055027]

>>8054116
You talking about the Katt thread spammer? Who knows.

[Anonymous No.8055045]

>>8055027
I have seen that pic many times and I still cannot figure out what the hell is Katt doing.

[Anonymous No.8055053]

>>8055045
I guess the implication is that she is used to doing that why they pull her tail.

[Anonymous No.8055054]

>>8055053
*while

[Anonymous No.8055495]

>>8055045
Where I come from i T's called a "brown eye"

[Anonymous No.8055520]

>>8055495
That explains the facial expressions at least

[Anonymous No.8055573]

Wow. How did such a great series fall into obscurity, I wonder.

[Anonymous No.8055626]

>>8030716
They stayed fused for me. And I’m playing on original hardware.

[Anonymous No.8055678]

>>8055626
Is this after they all get frozen?

[Anonymous No.8055681]

>>8055626
Wait I just saw lvl 99 for each...

[Anonymous No.8055682]

>>8051056
Could be better, too much fanfic bullshit from the "translator" in it. But the original translation was barely English, so it's preferable to that.

[Anonymous No.8055704]

>>8055678
Yes

[Anonymous No.8055825]

>>8052291
If it's ever remade, not that it will ever be, they really need to address the forced party member out of the blue problem. When I play I just had Katt and Sten in my party at all times because I never knew when the game decided to force them in the party. I get optional areas or party member specific areas like the Highland fortress, but map traversal shouldn't be a chore, especially in a game where the map is more or less another dungeon.

There are a bunch of other gameplay changes I wish they would make just to modernize and to lean into the character or the characters. Katt is a feisty charmer type character so charm, counter, and critical skills would be fun, having Aspara be a geomancer and support character.
Then there's the issue with the dragons, they suck in BoF2. I wish they'd go with rather than elemental 1, 2, and 3, they'd have dragon forms fit for a party role. With Ryu being a boring bruiser/adventurer normally but with some AP expenditure you can make him fit any role via dragon forms. Maybe you have a hyper offensive party of Katt, Nina, and Sten but with tank Ruy as a meatshield, that'd be fun.

[Anonymous No.8055831]

>>8055678
Here’s another photo I took of a previous playthrough. Not sure why people are saying the shaman forms are unfusing after deatheven freezes you.

[Anonymous No.8056021]

this game gets a lot of hate for good reasons but
>>8036639
>>8036680
>>8036787
is why it's still my favorite rpg. also, playing it with a guide and getting the good ending ruins the story imo. the "bad" ending is the only canon in my mind.

that music when you get the bird after the scene with mina... the kind of emotions only BoF 2 brings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ9L5WJ3YAc&ab_channel=mikekelso0324

[Anonymous No.8056128]

>>8055831
Terrible memory on my count. I have played through more times than I want to admit. Mostly avoiding the final 2 bosses though, so brain is autofilling that gap with pure bs.
Respect getting to level 99 for that party!

[Anonymous No.8056193]

>>8056021
Haha which bad ending? The one where you can't be bothered going down into infinity! (jokes)

[Anonymous No.8056219]

>>8056021
BOF2 seems to stand above most Snes RPGs in this regard. Most failed to make much serious emotional connection with me. Chrono getting killed in CT was a major surprise but even that had less impact. Maybe because he was resurrected later on. This is probably the reason I didn't use Spar much. He came late in the game, sure. But his character lacked any of the dramatic feel of the others too.

[Anonymous No.8056282]

So what I'm getting from this thread is that BOF is boring, tedious, and packed with typical bad JRPG oversights (pointless fetch quests, high encounter rates, unexplained mechanics) to the gills. Glad I dodged this series I guess.

[Anonymous No.8056561]

>>8056282
lol so the game filtered you out

[Anonymous No.8056587]

>>8056219
yes. not only the main characters are great, but the NPCs too. rand's mom, mina, ray, torubo... i rarely see that in RPGs

[Anonymous No.8056617]

>>8055626
They stayed fused for some reason with the final cutscene before the boss but before that they kept changing back it was really obnoxious. They weren't getting in critical health I know that. It was usually after any cutscene.

[Anonymous No.8056771]

>>8056617
I recall it was the stupid part where you get Anfini and you have to slowly walk all your party members through stupid hallways that undoes your fusions (that part is stupid because the first time I played this I thought Sten is useless so I'll just sacrifice him, then I got to do it all over again)

[Anonymous No.8056817]

>>8055825
>they really need to address the forced party member out of the blue problem
they absolutely could by just having the entire team travel together and allowing you to swap them into the active party at any time. No more getting cucked by field obstacles and having to backtrack to swap out party members.

But would they? Doing so means that the homebase has no reason to exist, I doubt they'd make such a drastic change.

[Anonymous No.8057207]

>>8056771
That was one of the parts and I swear they unfused when I got to the brood village.

[Anonymous No.8057330]

>>8056817
>Doing so means that the homebase has no reason to exist
I think buying ingredients for stat power ups and cooking an infinite amount of said power ups is a pretty decent reason its existence
maybe some plot relevant npcs can live there idk

[Anonymous No.8057473]

>>8057330
You can get some crazy strong equipment and weapons if you recruit the right people into your town.
FIRST HOUSE:
- Hekkeller (House next to your house in Hometown) opens an Armory with Fire-element equipment.

SECOND HOUSE:
- Leminton (Inn, 2nd Floor, Capitan) opens up an Armory.

THIRD HOUSE:
- Baretta (Armory, Windia) opens up an Armory that gets better through the game, but you need to recruit him IMMEDIATELY after the first houses become available because he upgrades his stuff after certain events and if you wait too much he will never get to sell his better weapons and armor.

[Anonymous No.8057479]

>>8055682
>fanfic bullshit
Examples?

[Anonymous No.8058289]

>>8057479

[Anonymous No.8058296]

>>8055626
just how many peens does one demon need?

[Anonymous No.8058369]

you are now hearing the dungeon music

[Anonymous No.8058413]

>>8057473
yeah I got them, if you're playing the retranslation they're called Heckler, Remington and Beretta
what are the ingredients guys called now? Hanz and Daiye were their names in the original

[Anonymous No.8058447]

>>8057479

[Anonymous No.8058454]

>>8058447
Here's the nip script:
>「よ、どうだい {Player}さん‥‥‥ 何だ?
>シケた つらして まさか ビビってるのか‥?
>「えっ!? どくばり!?
>‥‥‥バカだね お前 そんなの ハッタリだよ
>たかが、バトルショーで ほんとに 殺すワケねえよ‥‥‥
>「‥‥‥どうしても ハッタリとは 思えない ってか?
>ふーむ‥‥‥
>「よしっ! 分かった!!
>だまって、あり金ぜんぶ 出しな‥
>*hand over money*
>「よーし、いい子だ!
>この金で げどくざいを2つ 買ってきてやる‥
>で、お前と あいてが 1つずつ のめば どくばりなんか 怖くねえだろ?
*Rand buys antidotes*
>「いてててて‥‥‥
>あいつに 言うこと きかすのは むりだ ‥ビルブルみたいに きょうぼうな 女だぜ
>‥‥‥どうしたもんかね?
>「そうだ! {Player}!! お前が 2人分 のめよ!
>「‥で、おめえが あいつを かばってやれば いいんだ
>ま、だまって かばわれるような 女じゃないから‥
>ぶったおして、おとなしく してから 守ってやれよ、な
>さ、のめのめのめのめ!!

[Anonymous No.8058473]

>>8056219
Lufia 2 was good at that I think. Not just for the ending, but it had things like parenthood anxieties, the whole thing with Tia really loving you and having to realize you aren't a good matching. Just weird stuff. Love it.

[Anonymous No.8058752]

>>8033042
The pillow questline almost made me drop the game because of how much of a drag it felt. After it was done the game had so much better pacing and story at least.

[Anonymous No.8058967]

>>8051056
The intro is nice.

[Anonymous No.8059023]

>>8058752
After the first playthrough the quest within a quest within a quest structure seemed a bit tedious to me. I do like the concepts of the dungeons, just the plot didn't seem to be progressing. I can enjoy it for what it is now though

[Anonymous No.8059031]

>>8058447
Didn't realise there were 2 English retranslations. Which is your preferred one? Pretty sure I have the romhack version

[Anonymous No.8059039]

>>8059031
I don't think it is, just a fan translating one passage literally so that they can make a comparison w/ Ryusi's version and the official one.

[Anonymous No.8059047]

>>8059023
I would have definitely enjoyed it more if it didn't feel like the plot took a complete stop for a while.

[Anonymous No.8059053]

>>8059047
I totally get this, but it isn't unrealistic. Plenty of things in life are needed as stepping stones to something we really want

[Anonymous No.8059058]

>>8059039
Ah I see. The fan translation is a pretty entertaining take on the scenario.

[Anonymous No.8059063]

>>8051056
I wish Myriachan and Ryuusii would give the BoF1 retranslation another shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdLge5735vI

[Anonymous No.8059065]

>>8059053
I know but from a gameplay perspective it sucks. Maybe it doesn't need more plot but some more character development moments like with Sten?

[Anonymous No.8059076]

>>8058447
This is what happens when fanstranslators try to add "flavor".

[Anonymous No.8059112]

>>8059063
Oh damn, they tried to do BoF1 as well? Shame they gave up.

[Anonymous No.8060263]

BoF 1's OST reminded me of Ghost and Goblins.

[Anonymous No.8061642]

>>8059039
Nina's exposed leg was my sexual awakening as a young lad so BoF2 will always be special to me.

[Anonymous No.8061671]

>>8061642
I loved how her map sprite was asymmetrical instead of the typical mirrored half sprite so used elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.8061743]

>>8058447
last line should be "chug chug chug chug"

[Anonymous No.8061859]

>>8061642

[Anonymous No.8061903]

>>8061859

[Anonymous No.8062081]

>>8030716
I hate the last dungeon, and that's about it when it comes to my complaints for the game.

[Anonymous No.8062110]

Game is trash. Amazing character designs and sprite work everything else is a waste. Look up Kat hentai instead.

[Anonymous No.8062118]

>>8056561
We're not teenagers for well over a decade anymore, we don't have time for bad games.

[Anonymous No.8062126]

>>8062118
Yeah you know how gachafags receive a lot of flack for wasting time and money collecting jpegs?
99% of BoF2 fans wasted dozens of hours of their life because they liked Kat, Nina and Bleu.

[Anonymous No.8062129]

Cute girls is a hell of a drug.

[Anonymous No.8062206]

>>8062118
>>8062126
BoF 2 is a good game.
Time spent doing something you enjoy is not wasted. We are all gonna die and NOTHING you do will be remembered or make any difference in the universe after some time.

[Anonymous No.8062536]

>>8062206
Point is just cut the middleman and drool at the pictures of the girls.

[Anonymous No.8062867]

>>8062536
You play BoF II for the amazing story, the cute girls are just a bonus.

[Anonymous No.8063730]

>>8062867
You basically fight religion and end up killing god, I don't know of any other game who took this ballsy route.

[Anonymous No.8064214]

Give me your best shot.

[Anonymous No.8064242]

>>8064214
>has a taunt as her secondary command
>shit defense
>low HP
what did they mean by this

[Anonymous No.8064964]

>>8064242
I found little to no use for most of the characters secondary command.

[Anonymous No.8065742]

>>8064242
>The game describes her as a flat chested girl (she's only 15, after all.)
>The official game art gives her a generous rack

OK, I'm not complaining, but dude, get your shit together.

[Anonymous No.8065910]

>>8055825
Just basically remake Bof2 with the graphics and gameplay of Bof4 while refining the fusion system by making it on -the-go instead at your homebase only.

[Anonymous No.8066243]

>>8065742
So which is canon? I love a lewd loli kitten

[Anonymous No.8066265]

>>8064214
> if we make her a semi-furry she wouldn't need pants because animals don't wear clothes and also her private parts will be covered in fur so it's okay

> if we make loli wear skin-colored pants and put another pants on top, it would look like she doesn't have any underwear at all and still be legal

> if we just make a completely nude character and color her bobs and vag in red like she wears something it's still counts as clothes

Fucking love Japan.

[Anonymous No.8066356]

>>8064242
On defense formation and on the 4th slot, along with her high luck she can be a decent evasive tank.

[Anonymous No.8066390]

if some fan is bored, i would like to have more animated sprites of this game, especially the ones in the end credits

[Anonymous No.8067612]

>>8065910
gotta admit, that'd be pretty based
a new game in that style would be nice as well

Capcom, if they ever entertained the idea, would probably want to move away from sprites and make it 3D, so if they could develop an engine that fakes the Bo4 look but with polygons that'd be the next best thing

[Anonymous No.8067642]

>>8066356
>defense formation
>4th slot
that'll just reduce her attack output, wouldn't it? It's sad you have to gimp her just to keep her alive.

>>8064964
>I found little to no use for most of the characters secondary command.
they're often very niche use, except for Deis/Bleu's which is fucking game breaking. I understand that Katt's taunt is meant to work together with her counter-attack passive skill but often it just leads to her dying. Casting a DEF buff on her would probably help.

[Anonymous No.8067952]

>>8065742
>OK, I'm not complaining, but dude, get your shit together.
who are you talking to and at what point in the game does the game acknowledge her bitties? I'd think I'd remember something like that.

The age thing can be looked up but honestly none of the characters' ages are outright stated but you can easily surmise that they're "young" from dialogue and, this being a Japanese game, that means 12 to 17 years of age on average

[Anonymous No.8068085]

>>8067952
>and at what point in the game does the game acknowledge her bitties?
Take the sculptor to township and talk to him, then he will make a sculpture of the first character on your party and will take 10 days to finish it before you could request a new statue.
Each character has some unique dialogue when is talking to the sculptor: Katt requests him to give her statue a more ample bosom, but when the statue is finished it was a plaque describing it as the statue of a flat chested girl.

[Anonymous No.8068098]

>>8066265
>if we just make a completely nude character and color her bobs and vag in white like she wears something it's still counts as clothes

You know, a BoF/Darkstalkers crossover would be great just to see Katt and Felicia teaming up and the reactions they would cause among their team mates.

[Anonymous No.8068258]

>>8067642
I think Bleu was the only one I used regularly.

[Anonymous No.8068375]

>>8064964
I constantly use Nina's because I gave her cure2 to maker her my healslut
Rand's, Bow's and Ryu's are also good but situational
Katt's, Sten's, Spar's and Jean's secondaries just suck

[Anonymous No.8068469]

I have played BoF II so long ago that I barely remember anything other than the story made me feel feels.

[Anonymous No.8068537]

>>8068375
Katt is an incredibly useful character but God, her special ability is as useless as a sugar umbrella.

[Anonymous No.8068636]

>>8049209
Ryu because he's always in team. you encounter enemies who only die to chopchop like 2 or 3 times in the entire game. asides from the giant island that is

[Anonymous No.8070379]

>>8068469
Same here

[Anonymous No.8070465]

>>8062867
>You play BoF II for the amazing story
You fucking kidding me.

[Anonymous No.8070649]

>>8070465
It is indeed amazing.