/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7999912]

Was the original Xbox the last console to feature 6 face buttons on it's main controller?

[Anonymous No.7999916]

I know this is bait because black and white aren't face bittons, but it's because 4 face + 4 triggers is way easier to use than 6 face + 2 triggers

[Anonymous No.7999920]

>>7999916
>black and white aren't face bittons
They are buttons... on the face... of the controller. Please explain how they aren't face buttons when they're literally right there next to all the other face buttons.
>4 face + 4 triggers is way easier to use than 6 face + 2 triggers
We should have gotten 6 face buttons + 4 triggers instead.

[Anonymous No.7999934]

N64 with 2 main action buttons and 4 option buttons should have been the standard

[Anonymous No.7999974]

>>7999916
>I know this is bait
>proceeds to bait

[Anonymous No.7999978]

almost never used them. the only uses I remember was, white was flashlight, and black changed grenade types, in halo.

[Anonymous No.7999983]

>>7999920
the black and white buttons literally got moved to be the shoulder buttons on the 360 controller because they were awkward to use.

Cant even call them face buttons because they dont even have a "face" assigned to them.

[Anonymous No.7999986]

>>7999983
also by the "on the face of the controller" Arguement would include the start and select buttons because "its on the face"

By that logic, we've had 6 face buttons since the SNES

[Anonymous No.8000016]

>>7999983
>have a "face" assigned to them
What does that even mean? Do you think letters are faces? I'm genuinely confused.

And they were only awkward to use on the Controller S where they go moved too far down away from the other face buttons. The Duke placement is totally fine, they should have replicated that and added bumpers to the 360 controller as well. More buttons is better, it simply allows more functions and options, and if your game doesn't need them then don't use them, no big deal.

>would include the start and select buttons because "its on the face"
Start and Select are their own thing, they don't exist in the space where you rest your thumb. The term "face buttons" didn't exist until shoulder buttons were introduced, to distinguish between the buttons under your thumb and the buttons under your index fingers. Before that they were all just buttons.

[Anonymous No.8000121]

>>7999986
Metroid uses Select like it's a face button and it's really annoying because that rubbery shit is hard to press >:(

[Anonymous No.8000159]

>>7999986
>start and select buttons
Those are menu buttons.

[Anonymous No.8000640]

>>7999920
Closest to 6 face buttons and 4 shoulder buttons is the remake of the Duke controller, but white and black are just face-button versions of LB and RB instead of their own thing.

[Anonymous No.8000661]

>>8000640
>but white and black are just face-button versions of LB and RB instead of their own thing.
What a sorely missed opportunity. Redundant buttons are dumb, they should be their own inputs.

[Anonymous No.8000681]

>>8000661
You're telling me. I got it for use on a PC and tried to work around it with every remapper known to man, but nothing. I guess that was the only way to make it work with XB1 and not have two dead buttons. Someone with more tech expertise than me may be able to hack it or something, but it's a fun controller nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.8000773]

>>7999978
You used them to help steer the planes in San Andreas

[Anonymous No.8001543]

>>7999978
They were used as macro buttons in fighting games.

[Anonymous No.8001549]

>>7999934
it's literally just the gamecube controller for octopuses. an important milestone but not good really

[Anonymous No.8001568]

Having used some of the modern controllers that feature 6+ buttons (even if they are just rebinds of other inputs) it is a crime against vidya that 6-8 button controllers are not the standard from Sony and MS.

[Anonymous No.8001569]

>>8000681
How's the cable for chewing on?

[Anonymous No.8001586]

I play good fighters designed for standard controllers.

[Anonymous No.8001973]

Cause it's stupid

[Anonymous No.8002385]

>>7999916
6 face buttons is pretty much a necessity for street fighter and a few other fighting games. Nobody will ever do it again because it's a very small number of games that benefit from it.

[Anonymous No.8002443]

>>8002385
And at this point it's been more or less set in stone the idea of "buy a stick, fightpads aint coming back"

[Anonymous No.8003512]

>>7999983
but that's the 360 controller anon, we're talking about the Duke

[Anonymous No.8003514]

>>7999974
*proceeds to take the bait
the baiter is the one making the bait

[Anonymous No.8003517]

>>8002385
why's it a necessity? why not just use shoulder buttons. The point of the 4 face buttons is that you don't need to lift your thumb to reach some two outer black and white buttons, as with your thumb in the middle all four are available to you. This is why the Gamecube controller was designed the way it was, and put the button you're most likely to use in the middle.

[Anonymous No.8003879]

>>8003517
4 shoulder buttons has been an absolute trash layout from day 1, and it ruins the feel of a lot of games.

[Anonymous No.8003890]

>>8003879
name 1 and why

[Anonymous No.8003908]

>>8003879
absolute plebeian

[Anonymous No.8003913]

>>8003890
Zelda because having 1 of your item shortcuts on shoulder buttons, or worse a fcuking analog stick, is inconsistent and gay as hell.

Any fighting game because obviously.

[Anonymous No.8003916]

>>8002443
Which in itself was Madcatz snake oil for dumb 09ers

[Anonymous No.8003919]

>>8003913
4 shoulder buttons + 4 face buttons is plenty to work with for designing a game

[Anonymous No.8003925]

>>8003913
>>8003919
Four shoulder buttons and six face buttons is obviously the greatest compromise.

[Anonymous No.8003931]

>>8003919
>>8003925
4 shoulder buttons is a grotesque and queer arrangement, it was designed by perverts who hate you.

[Anonymous No.8004115]

>>8003919
But more is better, so give me 6 face buttons.

[Anonymous No.8004995]

>>8003931
99% of things are designed by perverts that hate us, but they're the ones who own the industrial facilities that allow such devices to be produced cheaply. In a perfect world, we'd all make controllers built and programmed to our specific hand shape and usage scenarios.

>>8004115
Agreed.

[Anonymous No.8005109]

>>8000681
have you tried steam input

[Anonymous No.8005198]

>>7999916
They work exactly like 6 button set ups for fighting games. Its why the smaller revision controller was a bit of a let down making black n white lower.

[Anonymous No.8005304]

>>8001549
>implying the GCN is good
terrible d-pad, less face buttons, terrible triggers, terrible c-sitck

[Anonymous No.8005412]

>>8005109
Don't think it would make a difference - the black and white buttons are hardwired to input the same command as the bumpers. Changing any of their bindings changes the bindings for the bumpers as well.

[Anonymous No.8005416]

>>7999934
Fuck no. Thank god that the Nintendo 64 didn't become the standard for ANYTHING.

[Anonymous No.8005419]

>>8005412
Oh I see sorry I didn't thread the post thread, yeah that makes sense I suppose. You could probably mod that though.

[Anonymous No.8006264]

>>8005416
The N64 controller had its problems but the face buttons weren't one of them.

[Anonymous No.8006332]

>>8006264
It only works because it has no right analog stick.

[Anonymous No.8006342]

No trackpad + 16 face buttons no buy.

[Anonymous No.8006385]

>>8003512
There are non-duke original xbox controllers with four triggers, two of which are the black and white buttons.

[Anonymous No.8006387]

>>8006332
It doesn't stop working when you add an analog stick.

[Anonymous No.8006391]

>>8006332
I want both. RPG games and games like Minecraft could use a straightforward, mappable set of hotkeys on your controller. Zelda 64 devs had the right idea.

[Anonymous No.8006420]

>>8006387
It would need to be positioned lower, too low to be comfortable. Or, it would look like pic related.

>>8006391
>RPG games and games like Minecraft could use a straightforward, mappable set of hotkeys on your controller
They could be mapped to the D-pad.
>Zelda 64 devs had the right idea.
Aiming the bow with your left thumb is a wrong idea. Also it's not an RPG.

[Anonymous No.8006572]

>>8006420
>They could be mapped to the D-pad
that's a swapkey

[Anonymous No.8006582]

>>8006420
>Also it's not an RPG.
you are one dense motherfucker.

[Anonymous No.8006617]

>>8006582
-1/10 bait

[Anonymous No.8007301]

>>8006420
>this pic
I WANT THIS

[Anonymous No.8007404]

>>8007301
>>8006420

man do I have to point out that just making the buttons smaller would provide enough space? DS button size is completely functional.

[Anonymous No.8007507]

>>8007404
I want a dual-shock d-pad with 6 buttons on the right to play emulation for ages, these are shitty quality but i never owned one. So I settled for sega-styled d-pad instead, at least i'm familiarized with those.

[Anonymous No.8008496]

>>8004115
there is room for 4 extra buttons in the back, for the middle and ring fingers

[Anonymous No.8008526]

>>8008496
Yes. 6 face buttons, 4 shoulder buttons, 4 rear paddles, 2 analog sticks, 1 d-pad. This is the ultimate controller.

[Anonymous No.8008928]

>>8008526
>This is the ultimate controller.
...and the ones that exist right now are fucking useless because of Xinput bullshit.

[Anonymous No.8009226]

>>8000159
He's right about both black and white buttons being awkward to press.

[Anonymous No.8009297]

>>8006342
absolutely disgusting

[Anonymous No.8009356]

>>8008496
kill me

[Anonymous No.8009358]

>>8009226
that's because they're shitty buttons

[Anonymous No.8009753]

>>8006332
use smaller analog sticks

[Anonymous No.8011284]

>>8008526
Hear, hear.

[Anonymous No.8011410]

Shoulder and trigger buttons? Fuck off with that shit, give me clickable scroll wheels.

[Anonymous No.8011453]

>>8000016
They were awkward to use on both duke and S controller. Pick up a mega drive or Saturn pad and then a duke. Tell us which feels more comfortable to press.

[Anonymous No.8011465]

>>8011453
I actually find Genesis 6-button controllers more awkward because of the size of the buttons. The Xbox buttons are smaller and closer together so it makes pressing all of them easier. But I also have big enough hands that I don't find the Duke awkward to use at all.

[Anonymous No.8011471]

>>8011453
The Duke is the best gamepad ever made.
/thread

[Anonymous No.8011507]

>>8011410
>scroll wheels
Arent trackpads simply better? Wheels and balls catch dirt and collect dust and mechanically degrade.