/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7988131]

as a hardcore Shmup collector and player I think the Switch is the best console if you want to start getting into the retro shmups hobby

I recommend Gunbird 2 and psikyos because they are easy to remember and figure out not like the bullet hells or touhos

what are u playing?

[Anonymous No.7988149]

Or you could just emulate them on pc. Stick to your Zeldas and Marios kid.

[Anonymous No.7988158]

That’s a nice collection oh pee

[Anonymous No.7988225]

boobs

[Anonymous No.7988226]

>>7988158
thank you

[Anonymous No.7988256]

Einhander, Darius Gaiden, Gradius V, and Skykid are the only shmups I can stomach anymore. The rest are shit.

[Anonymous No.7988345]

>>7988256
>Gradius V
good taste, that's a tough one!

[Anonymous No.7988380]

Those Psikyo ports have between 6 and 7 frames of input lag, the Switch always has more latency than the same games on other platforms, it's trash. The best place to play shmups in on a PC.

[Anonymous No.7988386]

>>7988380
>Those Psikyo ports have between 6 and 7 frames of input lag
This. It's very jarring.

[Anonymous No.7988392]

>>7988380
>Those Psikyo ports have between 6 and 7 frames of input lag
A player named Shmups junkie debunked that

[Anonymous No.7988393]

Trying Thunder Force 4 on Hard, not going well, plus X-Multiply and Darius 1 and Biohazard Battle. All on Switch.

Also Apidya but my emulator or roms or something are fucked and it freezes before the level 3 boss so I guess I gotta drop it.

>>7988380
The Psikyo Switch ports have like the worst lag I've seen in anything released in the past 10 years

[Anonymous No.7988487]

>A player named Shmups junkie debunked that
Just watched his video, he confirms Electric Underground's result by showing Gunbird 2 having 6 frames of input lag, other games are known to have more. If you are a "hardcore" player then use MAME to play Psikyo's games, the ports are unplayable.

[Anonymous No.7988619]

I only play shmups that are visual spectacles (read: not bullethell garbage)

[Anonymous No.7988657]

>>7988149
/thread

[Anonymous No.7989260]

>>7988619
>not bullethell garbage
touhou is beautiful though

[Anonymous No.7989764]

>>7988392
That guy is great.

>>7988380
switch is a decent emulation machine if you can't afford the ports

[Anonymous No.7989771]

i got like all the shmups on the tg16 and cd i just play those. got a rasberry pi 4 to play
>all the consoles
and just filled it with tg shmups and gba games

[Anonymous No.7989773]

>>7988131
You're a fucking faggot lol

[Anonymous No.7990201]

>>7989773
post your collection if you think you are better

[Anonymous No.7990487]

how do you get into collecting a genre anyway?

[Anonymous No.7990498]

Switch tate mode is pretty neat for new shmups, but for retro do MAME.

[Anonymous No.7990521]

mame and a nice arcade stick will give me infinite more enjoyment than a switch

[Anonymous No.7990812]

>the switch...
OP is a retarded newfag

[Anonymous No.7990826]

>>7988131
beautiful

[Anonymous No.7991083]

>>7988131
How come the game with the giant boobs doesn't have the Switch logo. Are the giant boobs available on Switch?

[Anonymous No.7991207]

>>7990812
nintendo > sony > sega

[Anonymous No.7991558]

Love this genre... never found anything in the entire world of smups/danmaku that I thought was better than ESPRade, Gradius 3, Touhou Ten Desires, and R-Type III... respect to Ikaruga even though it wasn't really the game for me.

Anything newer than those just makes me want to go back and play those high-water marks. I really struggle to get myself interested in any of the other big or more recent ones. I'm not sure if I'm just an old man, or if this is the sort've game that already had its golen age come and go.

[Anonymous No.7991575]

nintensoi soitch sucks for shmups and most ports have horrendous amount of input lag. non players won't care so OP's fine with it. he also got an horrible brown carpetting. bet he's american. all americans seem to have the same brown carpets covering their shitty houses floors. yuck!

[Anonymous No.7991697]

Who is this

[Anonymous No.7991698]

>>7991558
>Love this reddit...liked and upvoted

[Anonymous No.7992129]

>>7991697
the bitch from samurai aces you absolute newfag

[Anonymous No.7992263]

Are there any other shooters like Eco Fighters? I love that it is essentially a twin stick horizontal shmup and not even really a "shooter" with some of the weapons essentially being used melee style. Really wish Capcom had continued it like Darius or Gradius.

[Anonymous No.7992267]

>>7991697
The image a spunk to every night.

[Anonymous No.7992596]

>>7991575
input lag is a meme non-players keep falling for

[Anonymous No.7993239]

>>7992596
Cope harder little man

[Anonymous No.7993290]

>>7993239
post your retro shmup collection poser

[Anonymous No.7993301]

>>7988131

I was very unimpressed with Sine Mora. The cursing of the anime animals in an attempt to create a serious tone was pure cringe IMO

[Anonymous No.7993304]

>>7988131
Not a bad choice. So many crappy games at least these are sort of fun

[Anonymous No.7993558]

>>7988131
It's okay, but really expensive. I had to get the Chinese bootlegs too because of the high price. I would love to play the new Cotton Reboot once I can afford a Switch. Maybe sometime after Thanksgiving, they could have some Black Friday or Cyber Monday deals to make that OLED model affordable.

[Anonymous No.7993658]

>>7993290
WTF does that have to do with your low standards and poorfag cope? Stupid ass zoomers.

[Anonymous No.7993672]

>>7991697
Koyori from Samurai Aces series. She is 17 in the first game (bottom picture), so I assume she abused the fuck out of growth hormone drugs between games.

[Anonymous No.7994098]

>>7988487
>>7988380
the DC port also has the 6 frames of lag, you have to probably go shmupmame to play it without it (even default MAME might be slow), so it looks every port probably suffers from it if those two both do
the Ikaruga switch port is the same (or even slightly better) than the DC port
I haven't measured these but from general feel, I think that the Blazing Star one is largely low lag, but I found R-Type Dimensions worse than MAME or some other ports

[Anonymous No.7994130]

>>7994098
>default MAME might be slow
Its about 3-4.
Default MAME is as good as shumpmame anymore since 0.217 or so. Just make sure to set it up correctly and check that "low latency" option thats present now. It has a lot of the optimizations that shumpmame has now, they're just not enabled out of the box.

[Anonymous No.7994163]

>>7994130
Ok, that's good to know its improved now.

[Anonymous No.7995012]

>>7994163
>>7994098
>>7994130
Retroarch is even lower, can get down to 1 frame lag, and better features than. Mame.
Either play on Switch or Retroarch. Simple

[Anonymous No.7995106]

>>7993658
>no proof
>raging poser
you aren't serious about this hobby

[Anonymous No.7995164]

>he's never gone all the way

what's your excuse, /vr/?

[Anonymous No.7995212]

>>7995106
It's a meme, guardian force has 7 frame built-in input lag and plenty of people have cleared that.

[Anonymous No.7995393]

>>7988149
>>7988657
Rent-free.

[Anonymous No.7995402]

>>7995212
>7 frame built-in input lag
wtf

[Anonymous No.7995441]

>>7995402
That's the Shiturn for you.

[Anonymous No.7995454]

>>7995441
fake news

[Anonymous No.7995481]

>>7995106
Proof of what? Fucking psycho trannies are really shitting this place up.

[Anonymous No.7995716]

>>7995481
show your gameplay and collections before raging at real shmup hobbyists

[Anonymous No.7995727]

>what are u playing?
I've been meaning to give some PS1 shmups a closer look. Already downloaded Bokan To Ippatsu!, Gatchaman - The Shooting, Gekioh, Harmful Park, Two-Tenkaku, X2 - No Relief and Zanac X Zanac, but only invested some time into Gatchaman so far which was enjoyable but pretty easy even for a beginner like myself.

[Anonymous No.7995862]

>>7995441
The STV version has a ton of lag, the Saturn port is absolutely fine.

[Anonymous No.7995874]

>>7995862
Nope all versions have it. The game does background composing. Doesn't matter what emulator, port or TV you use. You can check for yourself by pressing Alt + A on Mednafen, normally games usually have 3 frames of input delay.

[Anonymous No.7995875]

>>7995862
Nope all versions have it. The game does background composing that adds up input delay. Doesn't matter what emulator, port or TV you use. You can check for yourself by pressing Alt + A on Mednafen, normally games usually have 3 frames of input delay.

[Anonymous No.7995894]

>>7995716
Why? I have nothing to prove, certainly not to a poorfag inputlag denier.

[Anonymous No.7995961]

>>7992596
no actual shmup player ever plays on a fucking nintendo tablet you absolute based mongster. also nice cope, zoom-poser. bet your mom's carpet is brown too.

[Anonymous No.7995967]

>>7993558
those aren't bootlegs. looks like legit sia versions

[Anonymous No.7995971]

>>7990498
Switch can emulate mame btw
my gf loves my Switch

[Anonymous No.7995987]

What is the best shmup on SNES/GBA?

[Anonymous No.7996015]

>>7988131
I want to bury my face in Miko's chest and live there forever.

[Anonymous No.7996091]

>>7995987
gradius 3 snes with slowdown removed patch

>>7996015
it would be better for you to not think like that

[Anonymous No.7996146]

>>7995987
>GBA
- Iridion 3D and Iridion II are probably the system's standout original IP in the genre. They look and sound gorgeous and play great, the sequel more so than the first game.
- Another solid original IP and very much an obscure hidden gem is Invader, an EU only release. Good luck finding a cartridge though.
- The Advance iteration of Gradius (called Galaxies in the US and Generation in JP) seems perfectly fine and fun.
- Steel Empire is another solid port/remake of the Mega Drive game of the same name (though EU/JP exclusive) considering the hardware limitations.
- Danny Phantom is fine but pretty easy due to its target audience (being a Nicktoons licensed title).
- There's a homebrew bullet hell called Vulkanon which looks crude and only has a few levels and one (albeit great) soundtrack song but runs buttery smooth even with tons and tons of on-screen projectiles and is tough as nails.

[Anonymous No.7996147]

>>7988131
>collector
>switch
Get the fuck away from shmups, faggot.

[Anonymous No.7996292]

what's the best system to collect for?

[Anonymous No.7996472]

>>7995875
The Saturn port has two frames less latency than the STV version, which makes it playable.

[Anonymous No.7996525]

>>7988131
>no cotton reboot
wish it had an "old gameplay new graphics mode"
i'm not really a score guy and the new arranged mode makes you feel too powerful imo

[Anonymous No.7996768]

That new ShmupJunkie video was something else.

>NGDEV Team won't release anything digitally because Gunlord didn't sell
>also they didn't put a cent into marketing and it's the customer's fault for not buying it
>now be a good little paypig and buy it so that they MIGHT consider releasing more digitally
Hope these shitheads go out of business.

[Anonymous No.7997640]

>>7996768
His setup and collection is great

>>7996292
Switch or dreamcast or tg16

[Anonymous No.7997642]

>>7996147
If you're a real player you'll end up owning a collection and displaying it nicely
Doubt you even know what a shmup is

[Anonymous No.7997671]

>>7993558
You should try Gradius V its great fun best in series

[Anonymous No.7997686]

>>7997671
Worst in the series, you mean.

Fuck Treasure.

[Anonymous No.7997692]

>>7997642
If you're the OP, you sure as fuck don't know what one is if you don't like bullet hell. And I display mine in my cabinets when I have the board loaded.

[Anonymous No.7997859]

>>7997686
The consensus is that 4 is by far the worst, it failed to do anything original and lost all the series soul with its ugly graphics. While 5 is original, deep, and technically the most interesting

[Anonymous No.7997971]

>>7997859
>several unskippable cutscenes
>Sakimoto can't compose good shmup music
>overpowered option formations: freeze/directional
>checkpoints should be forced, but are off by default
>the last level is just a lazy repeat of the second stage
>lacking in organic stages/enemies, too much emphasis on Cores
>have to unlock Edit Mode which Shield is locked behind
>retarded rank system compared to previous entries
>1x1 Vic Viper hitbox to appease the danmakucks
>takes ~90 minutes just to clear a loop

Gradius V is trash. 1, 2, 3, 4 and Gaiden are all superiour.

[Anonymous No.7998019]

>>7997859
so true

[Anonymous No.7998035]

>>7992263
Forgotten Worlds is like the predecessor of Eco Fighters and awesome. Genesis port is actually a lot of fun and easier than the difficult arcade game.

[Anonymous No.7998057]

>>7996146
>Steel Empire is another solid port/remake of the Mega Drive game of the same name (though EU/JP exclusive) considering the hardware limitations.
Steel Empire also has a 3DS port, it's worth grabbing

[Anonymous No.7998060]

>>7997859
>>7997971
>the eternal debate
But seriously, Gradius is for fags.

[Anonymous No.7998503]

I dont know if people consider it a shmup or a run n gun, but man do I fucking love Boogie Wings. Yeah, mame, but man I wish it had gotten some kind of home port. Closest official home release is on those Retro-Bit plug n plays.

[Anonymous No.7998518]

>>7988131
I've been trying to get Game Tengoku all fucking day, even emailed the devs themselves out of desperation. Finally went through a Japanese auction proxy site (Sendico), added a nice cheap copy only to discover proxy sites charge egregious prices just to get the damn thing. Service fee, collection fee, domestic shipping fee, international shipping fee, additional fee, just fucking gave up before I entered my details. Shmup lovers truly are the most oppressed gamers.

[Anonymous No.7998603]

>>7997859
3 is the best mainline one, if a little easy. Salamander and Sexy Parodius are the two best overall.

5 can take its Treasure faggotry right back to a Nintendofag's basement.

[Anonymous No.7998660]

>>7998603
>3 is the best mainline one, if a little easy.
post your 1-all or 2-all

[Anonymous No.7998679]

>>7988131
BOOBA

[Anonymous No.7998889]

>>7998603
Salamander is so jank, why would it be the best

[Anonymous No.7998971]

>>7998889
the no slowdown versions are good

[Anonymous No.7999012]

Is there any hope of me becoming a shmup player if I could barely beat level 1 of Gradius on NES as a kid? Or am I just too retarded and should stick with platformers

[Anonymous No.7999015]

>>7999012
Shmups aren't really for kids.

[Anonymous No.7999016]

>>7998660
Did it on my cab before I went to prison.

[Anonymous No.7999052]

>>7988131
Where's Ikaruga ?

[Anonymous No.7999056]

>>7999052
It would make sense for a Nintendofag to have such an awful entry such as Ikaruga. Odd.

[Anonymous No.7999174]

>>7990521
MAME can be emulated on Switch and there's arcade sticks for Switch. ShmupJunkie also says your a nigger that knows nothing about input lag.

[Anonymous No.7999190]

>>7998889
Salamander 2 is kino and underappreciated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mv_rpf8ARI

[Anonymous No.7999210]

>>7999190
I enjoy it, but nothing beats level 3 on the first one.

[Anonymous No.7999390]

>>7999012
Mate, stop comparing yourself to other players. Just practice and get better then where your current skill level is for your self.

[Anonymous No.7999448]

>>7999012
If you're dedicated to beating the game then you'll eventually do it. Shmups are a genre where subsequent games you play will feel easier to gel into because movement and shots typically carry over. And despite being simple Gradius isn't exactly a walk in the park, especially for new players.

Here's some helpful tips:
>rapid fire
Always put this on even if the game in question didn't originally have it. Most everyone does it and there's no reason to stress your hand over archaic design.

>save states
If your goal is to 1cc then you need to practice the segments you're having troubles with over and over again. It's inefficient to replay the whole game just so you can get a taste of Stage 4. And even if you just want to clear the game, continues be damned, it's still an extremely effective tool that'll help you learn the layout of a stage.

>sleep
It's extremely important, even for video games. If your mind is wandering off or distracted in the slightest you could very well be throwing away a good run. It's important you stay well-rested and relaxed the whole time.

>alternate shmups
If you're at the point where the ideas and strategies you have are exhausted, then take a break with a different shmup. I find switching from some older arcade games to more modern, bullet-cluttered ones is refreshing (and vice-versa). It's good variety that also helps your skill improve.

>1cc
This is almost always a personal goal and never an obligation. Don't feel like you have something to prove. As long as you enjoy the genre then you're a shmup player and a cool person in my book.

Godspeed, anon. And good luck!

[Anonymous No.7999609]

>>7999448
Good advice but one important thing is to play something you really like a whole lot

[Anonymous No.7999648]

If Dogyuun isn't the next M2 shottriggers remake Imma be real salty

[Anonymous No.7999760]

>>7988226
thank you for what? you havent achieved anything.

[Anonymous No.8000076]

>>7999190
>1cc
>game over at 2-2
???

[Anonymous No.8000098]

>>7999174
>MAME can be emulated on Switch
Have fun with an 18 year old version of MAME.

[Anonymous No.8000238]

>>8000076
a 1-all counts as a 1cc, anon

[Anonymous No.8000350]

>>8000098
Have fun downloading new romsets every release.

[Anonymous No.8000356]

>>8000350
>Have fun downloading new romsets every release.
You say that like everyone updates every time there is a release.
I do a full update about once every two or so years.

[Anonymous No.8000359]

>>7995967
Yeah, I had to get a lot of those back then to save. They are a decent inexpensive option.

>>7997671
I have tried it. It is a very cool game. The mechanics and story was interesting and looks great. I am a fan of their games.

[Anonymous No.8000419]

>>8000098
Switch retroarch is great.
FB Alpha > Mame

[Anonymous No.8000440]

>>7999448
Unironically good advice, arigatou Gaim

[Anonymous No.8000447]

What's the best way to play G-Darius?

[Anonymous No.8000480]

>>7999648
Pretty sure it's Batrider next.
Also I think they're going to do DOJ at some point.

[Anonymous No.8000562]

tried to join a few shmup community online and all I got was a bunch of weirdo passive aggressive with huge inferiority complex
tried to join the 2 closest arcade in my country and it was heaven full of nice people
basically ignore online and support your local arcade guys

[Anonymous No.8000576]

>>8000562
>tried to join a few shmup community online and all I got was a bunch of weirdo passive aggressive with huge inferiority complex
what happened?

[Anonymous No.8000712]

>>7998889
do it now

[Anonymous No.8000782]

>>8000576
_ I fell for the git-gud-play-hard-game meme and while it was fun at first eventually the endeavor stopped feeling rewarding and the process turned to a simple function of inputting grind/save state hours to get a very predictable and expected output.
_ I could pretty accurately predict how long a game would take to 1cc or how long a certain score would take, and then it would just be a matter of pouring in the expected number of hours to get the predictable result.
_ Part of the fun at the start was not knowing if the output was even possible and having no idea how long it would take and learning efficient ways to practice, etc.
But the most efficient route to a goal is not necessarily the most fun. I've come to this conclusion with many ''hard'' games in multiple genres in the past.
_ The casual mindset is really good to maintain throughout this sort of time wasting hobby imo

[Anonymous No.8000790]

>>7988131
>switch
or just get a PC and play everything for free

[Anonymous No.8000795]

>>8000782
holy shit nigga all you need to do is
>find game that looks fun
>credit feed it to see if you enjoy the whole thing
>if you do then 1cc it
>if you want even more depth go for scoring
You don't have to interact with the """""""""community""""""" at all
Also you sound like a filtered faggot

[Anonymous No.8000857]

If your favourite shump companies aren't IREM and Psikyo, then you're probably a homo.

[Anonymous No.8000887]

>>8000795
nah, that doesn't sound right at all

[Anonymous No.8000893]

>>8000887
You're right, how to enjoy shmups is by actually not playing them at all and instead spend your life seething on /vr/

[Anonymous No.8000907]

>>8000887
yes it does, you absolute tard.
you sound like a tryhard who only wanted to get into some online safespace and get upvotes for quickly earned achievements instead of playing a game you like.

>b-but muh community!!
neck urself

[Anonymous No.8000916]

>>8000782
None of what you listed have anything to do with the "shmup community online". You're a /vr/ zoomer and got filtered by arcade gaming.

[Anonymous No.8000927]

>>8000916
>None of what you listed have anything to do with the "shmup community online".
>>8000795
>You don't have to interact with the """""""""community""""""" at all
>>8000907
>you sound like a tryhard who only wanted to get into some online safespace and get upvotes for quickly earned achievements instead of playing a game you like.

Where did I mention any community in this post? >>8000782


>yes it does, you absolute tard.
>neck urself
>You're a /vr/ zoomer and got filtered by arcade gaming.
This doesn't follow from anything I said about shmups and games, must be your personal projection??

[Anonymous No.8001000]

the shmup community is the worst in gaming, on par with smash stinkers and speed trannys, best thing you can do is quit this hive of mental illness.
DTJKG

[Anonymous No.8001032]

>>8001000
I dunno about the community but sourcing the actual games themselves is a fucking nightmare. Feel free to call me a shmup newbie but some of these games just shouldn't be this expensive. Exhibit A: Cotton Reboot. "Fairly" easy to find online but it costs $60 (New Zealand money) plus $12 GST Plus $10-$20 for shipping. A 30 minute game costs almost a hundred fucking dollars.
Maybe i'm looking in the wrong places, where do you guys buy shmups?

[Anonymous No.8001041]

>>8000857
What about Taito?

[Anonymous No.8001042]

>>8001032
>Feel free to call me a shmup newbie but some of these games just shouldn't be this expensive.
The more expensive the game the more precious it feels to own and collect and show off, and yes it's more exciting to play a game you own that cost 800$ than some crappy emulated version you got from some hack3rz site

[Anonymous No.8001052]

>>8001042
I can understand that mentality, I've shelled out upwards of $200 for a single game to which I played it to death now keep it on display. But idk if I would feel proud to own something like, again, Cotton Reboot. Cover art doesn't look that great either so displaying is out of the question. idk what to feel about all this, i'm still new to shmups in general just figured they'd be cheaper

[Anonymous No.8001058]

>>8000350
>Have fun downloading new romsets every release
I just download the ROMs that have changed, takes five minutes and is preferable to using nearly two decade old version of an emulator. I can’t believe people still think that the entire ROM set changes every month. But it’s too much to expect someone who thinks the Switch is decent emulation hardware to have worked that out.

[Anonymous No.8001069]

>>8001032
>buy
I only buy M2 ports and if the PC port is good

[Anonymous No.8001134]

>>8000927
>Where did I mention any community in this post?
your post answered a question to your og post which was:
"tried to join a few shmup community online and all I got was a bunch of weirdo passive aggressive with huge inferiority complex
tried to join the 2 closest arcade in my country and it was heaven full of nice people
basically ignore online and support your local arcade guys"
ur dumb and single digit IQ'd, it's talwf b

[Anonymous No.8001142]

>>7999648
Dogyuun is pure kino

[Anonymous No.8001143]

>>7997859
>complains about 4's ugly graphics (which is fair)
>praises 5 even though it looks like dogshit

[Anonymous No.8001150]

>>8001134
>your post answered a question
I asked the question: >>8000576 and bumped the thread with this post >>8000782 to give *my* own experiences, I had no problem with the community itself...

>>8001134
>ur dumb and single digit IQ'd, it's talwf b
Not sure why you think constant insults help your case in fact they make you look worse.

[Anonymous No.8002236]

>hurr hurr the Switch is bad!
Get fucked morons.

https://youtu.be/U3GKfvuMTpM

[Anonymous No.8002517]

>>8002236
Why would anybody watch this? Who is getting fucked? Only a pants on head retard and manchild would ever buy a switch.
I can emulate all those games for free on PC.

[Anonymous No.8002535]

>>8002517
Sounds like you got blown the fuck out by the video and are in the process of coping and seething. Don't worry: this is normal for dumbasses like you.

[Anonymous No.8002618]

>>8002535
No I didn't click on it, nobody did. You are quite literally the little one coping and seething shitting your pants and nobody is paying attention.
Ask mom for another switch controller

[Anonymous No.8002645]

>>8002618
I'll bet your a burger as well. You won't be singing praise about high-end PCs much longer Americuck.

[Anonymous No.8002651]

>>8002618
>>8002517
Jesus christ, what a fucking insufferable faggot. People like new videogames and hardware, get over it.

[Anonymous No.8002691]

>>8002618
Not the guy you're arguing with and I clicked on it. The youtube guy literally blows the fuck out of any argument you have. He even showed the switch having LESS input lag in Ikaruga on Dreamcast on a CRT! Oh no no no no!!!

Holy fucking seethe and cope, buddy.

[Anonymous No.8002839]

>>8002691
>Holy fucking seethe and cope
The most cringey reddit response i've seen on this board today.

[Anonymous No.8002856]

>>8002691
>>8002645
>>8002691
absolutely niggerbrained probable samefags. Have fun with your overpriced kids toy /vr/os. I'll play the same games for free at higher quality on my PC though.
>>8002839
its samefag he's very upset for some reason

[Anonymous No.8002887]

>>8002856
Pretty pathetic man. Maybe you should face facts that you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.8002992]

>>8002887
Whats pathetic? What am I wrong about? That PCs are better and more cost effective?

[Anonymous No.8003053]

people exaggerating Switch shmup ''input lag'' are Mark-drones mindlessly regurgitating Mark talking points and can't handle Shmup Junkie refuting him

[Anonymous No.8003058]

>>8003053
Am I supposed to know who any of these random e-celebs are? Why aren't you playing shmups?

[Anonymous No.8003082]

>>8003058
>Why aren't you playing shmups?
finished my shmup homework for the year. doing my jrpg and fighting game backlog until Jan 2022.

[Anonymous No.8003083]

>>8003082
>fighting game backlog
That doesn't make sense

[Anonymous No.8003095]

Yeah, I'm thinking we're back.

[Anonymous No.8003098]

>deleted deleted deleted
HOLY

[Anonymous No.8003107]

>>8003098
Shmup trannies can't take the heat.

[Anonymous No.8003163]

>>8001134
>your post answered a question
I asked the question: >>8000576 (You) and bumped the thread with this post >>8000782 (You) to give *my* own retro shmup experiences, I had no problem with the community itself...

>>8001069
have you played switch ports OP posted? Gunbird 2, esprade, Darius Cozmic collection? Doubtful so you don't know how good they are

[Anonymous No.8003231]

What are the best Taito shmups? I really like Darius Gaiden

[Anonymous No.8003270]

>>8003163
I can't get past the input lag in Gunbird 2. It feels so bad to play. I skipped the rest of the Psikyo switch games for that reason. The switch is 1-frame laggier than everything else by design which isn't the end of the world, but so many of these shmups are emulators and not ports which adds extra latency. The actual ports like Ikaruga are more responsive, it's just a shame that the modern ports of Ikaruga are missing all the extra features that went into the gamecube release. Except Psyvariar, that's Unity trash and laggy as fuck despite being a port. I have Darius, Cotton, R-Type Final 2 and Raiden IV to play and I'm guessing that Darius and R-Type are going to be laggy since they were never "quick" games back in the day, Raiden will be okay and Cotton could go either way.

[Anonymous No.8003309]

>>8003270
>I can't get past the input lag in Gunbird 2. It feels so bad to play.
is it similar to the Dreamcast version?

[Anonymous No.8003854]

I recommend Pink Sweets, Ikaruga, Donpachi and Mars Matrix

[Anonymous No.8003917]

>>8003854
for me, it's Hacha Mecha Fighter

[Anonymous No.8004106]

>>8003309
>is it similar to the Dreamcast version?
Both have six frames of input lag.

[Anonymous No.8004274]

>>8003854
>>8003917
lol

[Anonymous No.8005834]

What do you get out of grinding these games?

[Anonymous No.8005941]

>>7997971
>several unskippable cutscenes
They're loading screens, fuckface.
>Sakimoto can't compose good shmup music
Retarded opinion. Go compare Tetran/Carrier/Boss themes of V to those of previous titles. The OST is great and you're a fucking dumbass for thinking otherwise.
>overpowered option formations
Don't use them, homo.
>checkpoints should be forced, but are off by default
Game respects the player by default, you mean.
>lacking in organic stages/enemies, too much emphasis on Cores
Because the setting of V is that Gradius is directly under threat, you're not in Bacterian-controlled territory.
>have to unlock Edit Mode which Shield is locked behind
Game expects you to deserve them. Git gud.
>1x1 Vic Viper hitbox to appease the danmakucks
The game is not a danmaku shitfest, and a smaller hitbox works better for 3D models for obvious reasons.
>takes ~90 minutes just to clear a loop
The best games are always 4 hours and under to completion.

Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.8006002]

>>8005941
wow ok!

[Anonymous No.8006716]

>>8005941
>filtered by checkpoints
git gud son

[Anonymous No.8006913]

>>8006716
he said the opposite

[Anonymous No.8007424]

>>7988131
why collect switch carts? they're flash carts and the cells in them won't last half the life of a blu ray disc.

[Anonymous No.8007784]

>>7988131
Very nice thread OP, I agree. I bought the Darius cozmic collection and had a great time, have Blazing Star ACA loaded on it too and looking to buy more of the Darius games, Ikaruga and R-Type Final 2 soon (plus the Aleste collection if possible).
I just beat R-Type, was awesome.

[Anonymous No.8007845]

>>7999448
>rapid fire
>archaic design
sorry about your delicate, weak hands, but this is as good as cheating. shmups are games of mental and physical endurance, what makes you think button mashing isn't an intended part of the experience? even games where rapid fire is included (eg: Raizing games) it feels a bit lame, since you're really only controlling the movement. it robs you of those moments where you really have to exert yourself in a tight spot. why not hook up electrodes to your brain and play mentally so you don't have to strain yourself at all?

>Most everyone does it
most onions babies, yes

>save states
yeah, actually playing the game like people would have back in the day sure is "inefficient." don't worry about the fact that playing it from the beginning further refines your skills and memory for those levels, just skip to where you die and play it over and over until it becomes rote and then stitch everything together like some shmup frankenstein. this is only slightly less lame than auto-fire; better would be to record yourself and then study the videos.

technology might make beating games more "convenient," but you sacrifice authenticity and the genuine skill required to beat it from start to finish without having brute forced the harder levels into your muscle memory. play over and over again until you get bored or get better, then come back and try again. the above practices are heresy and shamefuru.

[Anonymous No.8008601]

>>8007845
>rapid fire feels lame
"Muh feelings"
>skill learned from save states isn't genuine skill
nonsense, desperate wall of text

[Anonymous No.8008638]

>>8008601
>"Muh feelings"
"Muh obtuse / bad-faith misunderstanding of what you said." barely worth responding to as if you don't understand the concept of 'feel' in games. would i rather fucking hold a button down (which is barely different than doing nothing) or actually respond to stimuli (as the game was intended)?

>nonsense, desperate wall of text
non-rebuttal, empty ad-hom in recognition of me being right. i said that "finishing the game based on its original design / limitations" is a different and more authentic skill than "studying it in segments like a nerd and stitching them together just to say you beat the game."

[Anonymous No.8008753]

>>8008638
>i would rather tap a lot
>holding feels bad to me
repeating your subjective preference isn't an argument.

> i said that "finishing the game based on its original design / limitations" is a different and more authentic skill than "studying it in segments like a nerd and stitching them together just to say you beat the game."
you're confusing shmup skill with some idealized arcadey "experience".

>>8003231
>>8003231
>What are the best Taito shmups? I really like Darius Gaiden
Rayforce is up there.

[Anonymous No.8008759]

>>8008753
kek @ this fairy-handed /save baby. enjoy your studies~

[Anonymous No.8009137]

>>8007424
Oh man my switch games will degrade in 2157? Damn. That really pissed me off

[Anonymous No.8009410]

not sure what's worse ketsui or daioujou black

[Anonymous No.8009421]

>>8009137
listen man when I get out of my cryogenic chamber I'm taking out my nes and my crt and getting right back to my gradius. good luck turning on your switch lite kek

[Anonymous No.8009520]

>>7999760
He achieved a nice collection.

[Anonymous No.8010253]

>>7997971
Based. Fuck Gradius V and fuck those overrated hacks at Treasure.

[Anonymous No.8010812]

>>8007845
Rapid fire, save states, and stage selects are all common features included in modern shmups and ports of older titles. What's more "authentic" than features added in by the developers themselves?

[Anonymous No.8010815]

>>8009410
Both are god tier.

[Anonymous No.8010971]

>>7997971
>>8010253
Oh look, Australia-kun is back.

[Anonymous No.8011071]

>>8003231
for me, it's Tokio from 1986

[Anonymous No.8011163]

>>7988380
>Switch always has more latency
Thats the same nVidia chipset lag you get on PCs as well.

[Anonymous No.8011171]

>>8010971
>Australia-kun
The faggot made another saturn thread so he could post his bernies.

[Anonymous No.8011318]

I have that Psikyo mousepad edition too OP

[Anonymous No.8011361]

>>8011318
what is wrong with shmup players?

[Anonymous No.8011517]

>>8011361
too much tranime consumption, not enough having sex.

[Anonymous No.8011973]

>>8011517
They've gone so long without sex that they stop caring. It's actually the normies who there's something wrong with. Normies wish they could flaunt a squishy boob mouse pad but they can't for fear of missing out on sex.

[Anonymous No.8011991]

>>8011517
why do you care so much about sex troon?

[Anonymous No.8012039]

>>7988131
im enjoying caladrius blaze on steam
its a nice game
glad that the discord troon message got deleted

[Anonymous No.8012118]

>>8009410
both are the only good bullet hells

[Anonymous No.8013174]

What "hidden gem" shmup games are there?

[Anonymous No.8013212]

>>8011361
why do you ask?

[Anonymous No.8013217]

>>8013174
IMO shmups are too niche of a genre to have "hidden gems"

[Anonymous No.8013219]

>>8012118
Every Cave bullet hell is amazing.

[Anonymous No.8013224]

>>8013217
Well, when faggots put Treasure and Irem stuff on a pedestal, good developers like Mile.stone and G.Rev go unnoticed.

[Anonymous No.8013239]

>>7988131
never got into psykyo shmups. huge fucking hitbox and super fast bullets, no thanks. also all of their series are basically differently "themed" romhacks of each other (gunbird, strikers, sengoku). sengoku blade was ok.

but maybe i'm missing something, feel free to enlighten me.

[Anonymous No.8013249]

>>8013239
Psikyo is baby's first shmup. It shouldn't take more than a week to 1cc one. They make shitty players feel like they're accomplishing something.

[Anonymous No.8013276]

>>8013249
idk, i can 1cc most cave shmups (1st loop) but gunbird 2 constantly filters me.

[Anonymous No.8013498]

>>8011163
>Thats the same nVidia chipset lag you get on PCs as well
No it isn’t.

[Anonymous No.8013742]

>6 frames of lag? LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE!!

As if you can fucking even notice.

[Anonymous No.8013864]

>>8013742
It's just some bad player's justification at losing their Gunbird 2 1cc. 6 frames is noticeable, but not crippling.

[Anonymous No.8014336]

>>8013249
Yet we still haven't seen the alleged Strikers 2-alls by the ''I have 7000 hours of practice'' player.

>>8013224
>mile.stone
ugliest graphics, worst music, but their gameplay is really mediocre and gimmicky.

[Anonymous No.8014365]

I just want M2 to release GG Aleste 3 as an actual GG cartridge

[Anonymous No.8014391]

>>7990498
speaking of tate, Switch Vectrex collection with tate support WHEN?

[Anonymous No.8014589]

>>7988149
>emulation

[Anonymous No.8016567]

Every game based on R-Type is typically better than R-Type. Why is this?

[Anonymous No.8016893]

>>8016567
Because that's false

[Anonymous No.8016931]

>>8016893
>Pulstar
>Blazing Star
>Redux Dark Matters
>Last Resort
>Last Hope
>Ironclad
>Rigid Force
Blazing Star by itself puts most shmups to shame let alone R-Type.

[Anonymous No.8016973]

>>8016931
Blazing star is easily the best 2D shooter, but for me I think it's the greatest ever.

[Anonymous No.8017175]

>>8016973
>Blazing star is easily the best 2D shooter,
you should try a CAVE shooter

[Anonymous No.8017197]

>>8017175
Cave is alright. I'd be more inclined to play their games if they ported the good ones instead of G-Mode titles and Mushihimesama.

[Anonymous No.8017427]

Man I planned to score big in deathsmiles but the PC port seems kinda shitty

[Anonymous No.8017694]

>>8016973
you should try touhou

[Anonymous No.8018156]

>>8017694
>50,000 bullets shoot out in a goatse-shaped pattern
>move 2cm to the left
>win

[Anonymous No.8018174]

>>8016931
gay, R-Type is best

[Anonymous No.8019778]

You 1cc anything today?

[Anonymous No.8020080]

>>8019778
got btfo in Tower of Doom and Ketsui

[Anonymous No.8020085]

>>8020080
Posting gay anime pictures ain't getting you closer to your 1cc

[Anonymous No.8020120]

>>8020085

[Anonymous No.8020323]

>>8020085
Are you sure?

[Anonymous No.8020483]

>>8020080
>Ketsui
the most popular bullet hell in the West and it has a total of 1 consistent player.

[Anonymous No.8021174]

>>8017175
>recommending the touhou of arcade shmup devs

[Anonymous No.8021194]

>>8021174
How about the Strikers 1945 2alls?

[Anonymous No.8021235]

>>8021174
which means CAVE is awesome

[Anonymous No.8021658]

>>8019778
Crimzon Clover's Boost and Original modes on Novice. Tonight I'm grinding for Arcade Original.

[Anonymous No.8022258]

>>8020483
Not surprising.
Shmups are a pick-up-and-play genre you do for 30 minutes then go back to whatever you normally play.

>>8013276
1cc doesn't make much sense for shmups since repetitive memorizing would trivialize the whole game.

[Anonymous No.8022281]

>>8022258
>1cc doesn't make much sense for shmups since repetitive memorizing would trivialize the whole game.

That's kind of the point, they were made idiot proof according to Cave devs, but had to look impressive to potential arcade customers

[Anonymous No.8022412]

>>8019778
No I did not but I did not play a shmup yet brb

[Anonymous No.8022417]

>>8021174
>>8022258
t. Looney toons speedrunner

[Anonymous No.8022453]

>>8022417
Sheep Raider is unironically kino and a top tier stealth game.

[Anonymous No.8022810]

>>8003854
>Donpachi
why play dp when ddp and doj and ketsui and futari exist?

[Anonymous No.8022826]

>>8022810
for the toaplan elements that they scraped in their later games.

[Anonymous No.8022846]

>toaplan elements
dead air ?

[Anonymous No.8022997]

>>8014336
milestone look amazing and have the best osts of all time from khdn, you retard.

[Anonymous No.8023026]

>>8022997
>milestone looks amazing
that's wrong. their games are a cartoony visual mess.

>best ost
repetitive electronic beeps and whistle noises, americans tortured Guantanamo Bay prisoners with similar stuff

[Anonymous No.8023083]

>>8022810
DingDongwhatchi?.. just more cookie-cutter, boring "shots-everywhere" junk to BORE me to TEARS, sorry. Last one of these new games I tried was Ikaraga... Sorry! but I learned to play color-matching games when I was two, don't need to do it anymore! Deleted THAT computer application from my Dell desktop after about 20 minutes.

R-Type, Gradius, Darius... those classics are a little more up MY alley. No TINY hitboxes to make the game look harder than it is, no half-naked japanimation cartoon girls, no gimmicky scoring to cover up the total lack of any real substance... just a little thing called good old-fashioned GAMEPLAY that seems to be forgotten nowadays... yep, I love all the super-duper powerups, and checkpoints.. yes recovery is HARD but not IMPOSSIBLE. You actually have to put in a little elbow grease to get your strength back! Something the little ones today could stand to learn from, if you ask me! They seem to want games where you can kill everything on the screen with one button press, right after inserting a coin! Instant gratification with no challenge. And personally, I usually prefer a "side-view" kind of shooter compared to a "bird's eye view" one, all those obstacles give levels a lot more personality, not such a common thing when every me-too game wants to look and play the same.

Me, I've been playing a lot of R-Type part two lately. I can only clear a couple of boards on my first man right now. I may wear out my joystick before I can manage my one quarter win! But I don't quit! What can I say, I prefer a little hard work to getting a free handout! Playing some Wings of Wor on my Sega too, and Biohazard Battle. Great vintage stuff!

[Anonymous No.8023765]

>>8022846
No. Yuge-style enemy formations that come from all directions, not just the top of the screen.

[Anonymous No.8023929]

>>8023083
I know this is written like boomer satire but it's still 100% correct.

[Anonymous No.8024973]

>>8023083
I wish I could get into this mindset
Too bad something about horizontal games triggers my autism pretty badly
The lack of screen space + environmental collision makes it too tense for me so the only horizontal stuff I can get into is cave crap
Darius seems good too though

[Anonymous No.8025017]

I'm thinking of 1cc collecting Air Buster next, seems cool

[Anonymous No.8025090]

>G-Darius still has no US release date
>have to pay $40 for a fucking game I could've gotten in the Taito Collection for a fraction of the price
Fuck Taito

[Anonymous No.8025503]

Does Bornnam's shot in Garegga have a special property like how Chitta's is homing and Gain's is piercing?

[Anonymous No.8025521]

>>8025090
40 won't break the bank my friendo

Try being a collectard with Shiturn games and then you'll see. I had to walk back from the abyss.

[Anonymous No.8025546]

>>8025521
It's just unreasonably priced is all. Why is it as expensive as one of the Darius collections? What makes it $40 when CruisinMix Special, another Saturn game ported to the Switch, sells for less and includes more content?

[Anonymous No.8025668]

>>8025521
nice thing about collecting is that it provides enjoyment and fun even after certain games lost their gameplay appeal.

>>8025090
>>8025546
it depends how it will increase the value of your overall collection, the presentation and prestige it has. G-Darius is well liked.

[Anonymous No.8025707]

>>8025668
>it depends how it will increase the value of your overall collection, the presentation and prestige it has.
It's $40 digital. Nobody cares about how big someone's digital collection is.

[Anonymous No.8025714]

>>8025707
>Nobody cares about how big someone's digital collection is
Digital is for backing up your real collection.

[Anonymous No.8025726]

>>8025714
So you're saying I should be paying $80 for G-Darius?

[Anonymous No.8025727]

>>8025726
yes

[Anonymous No.8025729]

>>7988131
BOOBA

[Anonymous No.8025732]

>>7989260
dialate

[Anonymous No.8025738]

>>8020085
we wouldn't have shmups without anime