/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7984427]

He is dead. There is no other explanation.

[Anonymous No.7984447]

I would believe that he was dead if the ice lance hit his heart.

[Anonymous No.7984449]

>>7984427
what game is this from op it looks cool

[Anonymous No.7984452]

They didn't think as much about this while writing it as you do. Kazushige Nojima doesn't think this, he straight up does not care if there's something that doesn't make sense to you. I'm sorry dog.

[Anonymous No.7984457]

>>7984449
are you so dumb you can't notice squall fro the screenshot?

[Anonymous No.7984459]

Actually, I really wonder if this wasn't the plan, at one time. The general vibe of Final Fantasy VIII just screams "TOO MANY COOKS IN THE KITCHEN!", and it sounds very plausible that the actual game designers would think that's a neat narrative twist just to have some calcified upper-management douchebag not appreciate the flourish and veto it three-quarters of the way through (I'm sure the words "focus group" would've come up at least once in the meeting).

[Anonymous No.7984461]

>>7984452
But then there's the ending to Final Fantasy IX, though. It's been *confirmed* that it was meddled with. Why not VIII as well?

[Anonymous No.7984475]

>>7984427
You're right, it's not like you get actual meteors dropped on your head on a regular basis and phoenix downs completely restores you from dead states.

[Anonymous No.7984487]

>>7984459
The overall game has this weird ongoing internal fight with itself over what it wants to be. On one hand it comes off as a relatively light hearted mid 90s sci-fi high school anime but I'm guessing the Evangelion influence drove it to also inject a heavy dose of mindscrew imagery and themes. But it doesn't really know how to integrate them so the weirdness just kind of happens and the game moves on like normal.

[Anonymous No.7984490]

>>7984457
Nigga not everyone is such a consoomer that they can instantly recognize every single edgy weeb character lol.

[Anonymous No.7984496]

>>7984490
>Nigga
>-oomer
>edgy weeb
>"Look mom, I'm LARPING!"

[Anonymous No.7984513]

>>7984496
cope, seethe, dialate, etc.

[Anonymous No.7984518]

>>7984427
I never understood why he was so confused by this. He and everyone he worked with had been using magic to heal wounds up until this point, so why is this so surprising to him?
>>7984475
Phoenix Downs don't bring you back to life.

[Anonymous No.7984519]

>>7984487
>The overall game has this weird ongoing internal fight with itself over what it wants to be.
I know, right? I've noticed a lot of Squaresoft titles from this era have that vibe (or something equally bad, like "you are playing a under-funded disaster, gaijin")

[Anonymous No.7984527]

>>7984513
Should I "have sex" too?

[Anonymous No.7984529]

>>7984527
Yes.

[Anonymous No.7984543]

>>7984490
Final fantasy 8

[Anonymous No.7984572]

>>7984427
When you consider the fact that time isn't really stable in the lore of the game, you can come up with a lot of headcanons that don't involve him dying.

[Anonymous No.7984580]

>>7984529
Finally!

[Anonymous No.7984624]

Either you embrace the nonsensical plot, or you make up bullshit to explain the nonsense.

[Anonymous No.7984669]

>>7984624
I like triple triad

[Anonymous No.7984710]

>>7984669
...Are you even from this planet?

[Anonymous No.7984821]

>>7984427
Healing paramagic and magic.

[Anonymous No.7985059]

>>7984710
I played TT against the school nurse for hours to win abyss worms to turn into tornados at the beginning of the game (AP grind for card mod)

[Anonymous No.7985061]

>>7984427
Shoulder wounds generally aren't fatal.

[Anonymous No.7985075]

>>7985059
...But then you're still playing Triple Triad, though.

[Anonymous No.7985080]

>>7985059
I only AP grind for Enc-none early on, then wait until I get the Ragnarok só I can grind cactuars.

[Anonymous No.7985238]

>>7985059
>>7985080
based I grind everything I can except levels

[Anonymous No.7985239]

>>7985075
And it's fun and gives you a chance to hang out with the npcs an chill out

[Anonymous No.7985249]

>>7985239
Hang out with them? It's not like they provide actual company.

[Anonymous No.7985256]

>>7985249
Every one of them have their own lives and ambitions

[Anonymous No.7985273]

>>7985239
The words "fun" and "Triple Triad" do not belong in the same sentence. I seriously think you might be an alien, fellow /vr/trooper.

[Anonymous No.7985284]

Triple Triad royally messed up the game by inverting the genre's pacing. Typically in RPGs the towns are respites between dungeons but in FFVIII you spend most of your time hanging out in the towns playing cards to buff up while you breeze through the dungeons in like 5 minutes. This makes a game that is technically no longer than similar RPGs of its era feel sluggish as shit.

[Anonymous No.7985650]

>>7984457
>are you so dumb you can't notice

[Anonymous No.7985845]

>>7985284
I played through and never played Triple Triad once.

gitgud

[Anonymous No.7985927]

>>7985845
If you want to "gitgud" at FFVIII playing cards is the best option.

[Anonymous No.7985976]

haven't FFVIIIfags never learned about what 'ludonarrative dissonance' means? you couldn't you revive aeris with a phoenix down?

[Anonymous No.7985993]

>>7985976
To be fair the japanese script translates as knocked down or somesuch

[Anonymous No.7985996]

Well

https://youtu.be/3Z9UHWfOfMc

[Anonymous No.7986003]

>>7985976
>you couldn't you revive aeris with a phoenix down
Yeah, because Phoenix Down reverses knockout not death.

[Anonymous No.7986009]

>>7986003
>get stabbed outside of gameplay, instant death
>literal supernova in battle barely kills you

[Anonymous No.7986036]

>>7984461
>But then there's the ending to Final Fantasy IX, though. It's been *confirmed* that it was meddled with
What's this now?

[Anonymous No.7986042]

>>7984518
>He and everyone he worked with had been using magic to heal wounds up until this point, so why is this so surprising to him?
Presumably even when healed you normaly still have a scar or something. Otherwise why'd Seifer not lose his

[Anonymous No.7986048]

>>7984447
in the actual cutscene it looks like hes stabbed multiple times and that they just go through him

[Anonymous No.7986057]

It isnt true but this theory was true it brings the game from a 6/10 to a 8.5/10 story wise

[Anonymous No.7986104]

>>7985976
>be sephiroth
>My special move blows up all the planets
>get defeated
Yay guys we saved the world!

[Anonymous No.7986184]

>>7986104
>>7986009
Theres probably some weird shit about that entire fight happening in another dimension or in the characters minds, it makes no sense otherwise, it takes place in a weird purple cloud looking place that shares no resemblance to anything in the physical world, cloud also has a sword duel with sephiroth right after the fight which wouldnt make sense physically either

[Anonymous No.7986189]

>>7986057
I wish to play an FF8 that continues the same themes of CD 1 and 2 one day, that game would be a 10/10.

[Anonymous No.7986197]

>>7984452
What nojima wrote is not the same thing that Kitase hobbled together.

[Anonymous No.7986216]

>>7986197

[Anonymous No.7986221]

>>7986216

[Anonymous No.7986224]

>>7986221

[Anonymous No.7986225]

>>7986224

[Anonymous No.7986260]

>>7986197
What the FUCK

[Anonymous No.7986302]

>>7986197
Is nojima the most misunderstood man in vidya? Man gets shit on for every mistake even not made by him, yet gets no credit for anything hes done well

[Anonymous No.7986343]

>>7986184
The game's map data calls it "the twirling heavens" which certainly sounds like another plane of existence

[Anonymous No.7986363]

>>7986216

[Anonymous No.7986364]

>>7986363

[Anonymous No.7986379]

>>7986363
>>7986364

[Anonymous No.7986446]

>>7986364
Laguna's story is so much more compelling than Squall's.

[Anonymous No.7986457]

>>7986446
Shame the majority of it was cut.

[Anonymous No.7986497]

>>7986446
Watching the end credits I didn’t give a shit about squall and his crew, but as soon as it cut to Laguna with Uematsu playing his shit I almost teared up for some reason

[Anonymous No.7986507]

>>7986457
>falls in love with dream girl
>due to unplanned consequences it doesn't work out
>marries unrelated nice woman instead and has a happy life
>and then he becomes the president of the most powerful military nation on the planet after pulling a look over there trick on an evil trangender sorceress
It's a bitter sweet love story.

[Anonymous No.7986575]

>>7986363
>file name
>It clearly says JULIA LOIRE
what did they mean by this?

[Anonymous No.7986578]

>>7986379

[Anonymous No.7986724]

>>7984427
The same way Seifer survived when his head got chopped. Fucking magic.

[Anonymous No.7986838]

>>7984427
This part always felt like a lost in translation thing to me.

[Anonymous No.7986846]

>>7986724
He got sliced across the face, but when did his head get chopped?

[Anonymous No.7987291]

>>7986497
>>7986507
Its a surprisingly mature theme for an RPG. A character arc that demonstrates your life will likely not turn out the way you plan but that doesn't have to be a bad thing and you will look back on it with bittersweet nostalgia. The older I get the more it resonates.

[Anonymous No.7987323]

>>7986036
Necron was never planned to be in the game. Then some higher-up thought players would be upset if the "Final Boss Turns Into Apocalyptic Giant Kaiju" trope wasn't properly fulfilled. Enter a hasty last-minute implementation of Necron as the rly rly FINAL BOSS.

[Anonymous No.7987349]

>>7984487
>the Evangelion influence
Evafags are the original jojofags, thinking everything in the world is a reference to their homosexual series

[Anonymous No.7987527]

>>7987349
You can dislike both series but jojo and eva are influential this is undeniable, i dislike eva personally but im not retarded

[Anonymous No.7987676]

I don't know if Evangelion was a direct influence on FFVIII but the atmosphere of the game, what with the futuristic high school for child soldiers and overall styling of the characters and setting feels like every anime trend of the back half of the 90s had a baby. It actually dates the game far more than any other entry in the series, I think. FFVIII feels like it could only have come out in 1999.

[Anonymous No.7987701]

>>7987676
it came out in 98 i think you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.7988187]

>>7987676
>FFVIII feels like it could only have come out in 1999.
So it was a phenomenally futuristic game then, given it came out before 1999 dumpass

[Anonymous No.7988206]

>>7987701
>>7988187
maybe they should've spent more time in development and make sure the systems and the plot weren't a clusterfuck

[Anonymous No.7988212]

>>7988206
Maybe you should've spent more time developing in the womb yet here we are.

[Anonymous No.7988294]

>>7988212
Kek

[Anonymous No.7988314]

>>7987701
>>7988187
Why would you lie on the internet

[Anonymous No.7988528]

>>7987676
Its not just FFVIII. A ton of things from that window are weirdly dated. The Matrix, The Phantom Menace, She's All That, American Pie...its like 1999 was its own little pocket generation distinct from both the rest of the 90s and everything post-2000. Shit takes me back though.

[Anonymous No.7988650]

>>7988528
Thats what happens when a time period has an identy, this time will probably be remembered as one of the best for human life but the worst for the human soul

[Anonymous No.7988684]

>>7984452
>he straight up does not care if there's something that doesn't make sense

A lot of Japanese writers are like this and it makes taking many JRPGs seriously an issue because of it. Nomura is the worst when it comes to this.

[Anonymous No.7988690]

>>7988314
You obviously weren't born back then. Don't post again unless you know what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.7988745]

>>7986003
>Yeah, because Phoenix Down reverses knockout not death.
Why aren't the enemy skills Death Sentence/L5 Death called knockout sentence and L5 knockout?

[Anonymous No.7988750]

>>7988745
Because knockout sentence sounds retarded

[Anonymous No.7988759]

>>7988750
Read the in-game descriptions for those enemy skills as well as Death Force & Roulette.

I don't even know if this headcanon term 'knockout' appears at all in FF7.

[Anonymous No.7988791]

>>7984490
Basest zoomerstest zoomster in this very ITT.

[Anonymous No.7989151]

>>7985273
>The words "fun" and "Triple Triad" do not belong in the same sentence.
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.7989156]

>>7986216
>>7986221
>>7986224
>>7986225
>>7986197
wtf is this

[Anonymous No.7989265]

>>7988684
Nomura's like the worst example to pick for this. The problem with his writing is that he goes out of his way to create convoluted explanations to make everything make sense. It's okay to leave some things to mystery, that isn't the issue here.

[Anonymous No.7990125]

>>7989151
I dont get the bitching about triple triad, I knew i probably wouldnt like it so I didnt learn it, the game doesnt force you to play it

[Anonymous No.7990247]

>>7988759
I don't understand why it even has to be an issue. Gameplay and story segregation has been a thing since the dawn of video games. A game's mechanics don't have to make sense within the story and are easily explained as an abstraction of what the characters are doing "for real."

[Anonymous No.7990253]

>>7990125
But it does kind of punish you for not. Yes, you can get through the game no problem without playing cards but the game very obviously wants you to because drawing magic is a pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.7990345]

>>7989151
>its an "everyone i disagree with is from /v/" episode

[Anonymous No.7990370]

>>7990247
Ideally they should though. At worst a games mechanics and gameplay contradict the story like TLOU2 and best they compliment the story like Lisa the painful.

[Anonymous No.7991110]

>>7990370
RPGs, especially old ones, typically can't do this though. There's too much nonsense required by the mechanics to make any sense so long as you actually want the game to be fun. Just the inventory system alone is inexplicable.

[Anonymous No.7991846]

>>7991110
I agree, but im talking more about the future of games, if you wanted to you could make an rpgs story line up with its gameplay perfectly if you really took the time to plan it out

[Anonymous No.7991873]

>>7989156
It means Squall died. They're not just orphans. They're time orphans. Ellone tried changing the past. All she could do was transfer their hearts into replica-doll-manikins-dream-illusions body doubles.

They don't have memory loss. They only have memories of what Ellone gave them.

[Anonymous No.7991882]

>>7989265
Nomura's tactic in Kingdom Hearts was apparently to do random shit in one game that even he didn't have a plan for and then come up with an explanation when it was time to make a sequel.

[Anonymous No.7991920]

>>7984427
Squall was subjected to time fuckery to erase his fatal wound.

[Anonymous No.7991924]

Has Final Fantasy ever had a game with a plot that makes sense?

[Anonymous No.7991925]

>>7987323
Actually the final boss was going to be Hades.

[Anonymous No.7991926]

>>7991924
8. You just have to not be 'tarded.

[Anonymous No.7991927]

>>7988206
The plot tried to rely on implications and interpretation rather than being explicit. It's a story that is told very poorly.

[Anonymous No.7991930]

>>7991924
10 makes sense once you realize that Tidus' Zanarkand was an actual physical place in present-day Spira and not 1000 years in the past.

[Anonymous No.7992615]

>>7991924
All of them, its a meme that final fantasy games are hard to understand

[Anonymous No.7992850]

>>7992615
FF1's story isn't hard to understand but it also makes no sense.

[Anonymous No.7992886]

>>7992850
Isn't it some sort of causality loop involving the rogue knight Garland and 4 elemental fiends who should only exist in the future to begin with, or some shit?