/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7945552]

In the end, Shinra were the real villains.

[Anonymous No.7945557]

>before end of game nearly every chief staff member is dead
>their President dies in a massive explosion brought on by giant Fuckzilla shooting his big tower with a laser
>their secret operatives just retire because Don't-Give-a-Fuck-Anymore
>massive meteor and life energy converge at the very center of the massive city they future shows that hundreds of years later, life itself could return even to what was once a polluted wasteland where even grass couldn't grow

And they lost.

[Anonymous No.7945592]

>>7945557
>their president dies

Uuuuh…did someone not watch Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children?

[Anonymous No.7945630]

Ignoring Advent Children, Reeve is still alive by the end. He’s also the only non-shithead senior staff member.

[Anonymous No.7945648]

>>7945552
Going just on original FFVII canon - not interested in any of the crap put out afterwards - I thought one of the overarching points being made was that everyone's guilty of something. Cait Sith/Reeve calls out Barret and the rest of Avalanche for being murdering terrorists for example.

[Anonymous No.7945751]

>>7945552
In the end, the party could have just stayed home and the planet would have been saved.

[Anonymous No.7945862]

More specifically, Hojo and Gast are the villains for discovering Jenova and creating Sephiroth.

[Anonymous No.7945903]

>>7945592
nobody should watch that

[Anonymous No.7945993]

>>7945751
No, because holy needed to happen, and Aeris needed a bodyguard to get the City of the Ancients.

[Anonymous No.7946000]

>>7945993
Holy made meteor more powerful.

[Anonymous No.7946015]

This game's writing and plot is a hilarious mess once you go back and play it again when you're not 12.

[Anonymous No.7946040]

materia extraction is causing climate crisis

[Anonymous No.7946158]

>>7945993
>needed a bodyguard to get the City of the Ancients
bitch got there pretty well on her own FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET

[Anonymous No.7946249]

>>7946015
Yes. I thought it was mostly due to translation issues but nah, it just barely makes sense as it is.

[Anonymous No.7946572]

>>7946015
I’ve embraced the nonsensical plots that are all over FF.

[Anonymous No.7946583]

>>7946572
If this includes 13 you need to say sike right now.

[Anonymous No.7946627]

>>7945552
The only good guy was Big Bro

[Anonymous No.7946810]

>>7946627
BEAUTIFUL bro. Fucking troon.

[Anonymous No.7946813]

As evil as the Shinra are, let’s not forget Sepiroth’s eldritch mommy.

[Anonymous No.7946814]

>>7946015
Yeah, faggots who swear it's the pinnacle just wanted to be a combo of Sephiroth and Cloud while taking Barret's BBC.

[Anonymous No.7946947]

Yes. I understand Shinra’s motivation but Sephiroth’s is dumb. I think the best way to make a character like Sephiroth work is if you make clear that his personal disregard of the planet and wanting to use it to power himself is directly because of his upbringing as a Shinra soldier who shares their way of thinking. I suppose that’s implicit in the game but the writing really has no interest in Sephiroth’s psychology, I’m doing a lot of heavy lifting here to even make that connection.

[Anonymous No.7947035]

>>7946583
I've only ever played up until 12, and to be honest, I feel like I've experienced all the series has to offer.

[Anonymous No.7948346]

>>7946947
Puppets don't need motivations.

[Anonymous No.7948397]

>>7947035
I'm one of 11 people on earth that actually thought the battle mechanics in 13 were cool. The story, however is a convoluted mess of nonsense, and that's saying something because that's about baseline for the franchise. 15 is worth a spin if you can get over the bro-party.

[Anonymous No.7948791]

Anybody else find the scavenger hunt in the mansion annoying? Or rather, finding the third number is annoying.

[Anonymous No.7948846]

>>7945648
>murdering terrorists for example.
>"But muh freedom fighturz!"
As much as I like that trope, reality is, they're morally gray. If you saw on the street a band of people armed to the teeth, you'd be scared. Hell, I live in a country that has lots of crime, to my eyes, unless they're civilians against a de facto government, they are either vigilantes or heavily armed robbers/killers for hire.

[Anonymous No.7949384]

shinra is pretty bad, but this guy basically caused everything

[Anonymous No.7949565]

[Anonymous No.7950374]

i want to fuck elena

[Anonymous No.7950654]

Is there anyone in the party that Shinra didn't directly fuck over? Can't think of anything they did to Tifa.

[Anonymous No.7950663]

>>7950654
I think "using the reactor outside your hometown as magic monster maker experiment den then performing an elaborate coverup after your attempt at a space mutant powered super soldier goes apeshit and razes the place to the ground murdering near everyone" might count as possible direct.

[Anonymous No.7950667]

>>7946947
He was always suppose mysterious like jaws or The alien. That's why he's barely on the first disc

[Anonymous No.7950796]

>>7950654
Sephiroth was a shinra member when he killed her father.

[Anonymous No.7950909]

>>7948397
I agree with this. The whole "13 is a walking simulator" meme really only reveals they didn't play for more than a few hours, and getting railroaded for 10+ hours happens in critical darlings 6 and 7, too. The battle system in 13 actually makes it the first actually challenging FF since 2.

[Anonymous No.7951139]

Did Aerith and her Mom have special rights from Shinra? That's the most logical explanation for them having a nicer house than the rest of Sector 5.

[Anonymous No.7951314]

>>7948846
Yep. The story as told from an Avalanche perspective focuses on Shinra's faults, but they provide power and protection to many citizens. There's more to them than just the assholes at the very top.

On complaining about sucking up Mako from the planet, Bugenhagen says that the planet is destined to die anyway so rallying against this is ultimately futile.

[Anonymous No.7951382]

>>7951314
The funny part is that the game never calls out Barret at any point because he was from a prosperous coal mining town. I mean I know that dilutes the metaphor of "evil power company is literally using magic soul juice for electricity", but still

[Anonymous No.7951479]

FUCK OUT THE WAYYYYYYYYYYYY

[Anonymous No.7951509]

>>7951382
>prosperous coal mining town
i've been playing the game recently.
when it comes to barret's backstory, the idea that mako displaced coal and ruined his town's living is interesting and realistic
but then some rando explosion happens at the reactor and shinra acts like cartoon villains and burn the town to ashes
it's just silly

[Anonymous No.7951889]

What made these guys not go berserk?

[Anonymous No.7952118]

>>7951889
They were all just retarded and weak. Cloud was the only one that could function.

[Anonymous No.7953225]

Any advice on taking down this monstrosity?

[Anonymous No.7953338]

>>7953225
keep hitting it until it dies

[Anonymous No.7953775]

>>7953338
Well, that seemed to work.