/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7925610]

>Is objectively better than Sonic 3 in every aspect in you are path

[Anonymous No.7925613]

>>7925610
agree, and it's not even close

[Anonymous No.7925620]

>inb4 sharktalefag

[Anonymous No.7925837]

>>7925610
>in you are path

[Anonymous No.7925843]

>>7925610
>>Is objectively better than Sonic 3 in every aspect in you are path

I would agree with you if it could save it's progress. That was a feature I very much appreciated 3 adding.

[Anonymous No.7925865]

>>7925610
>mfw traded a kid on the bus hard drivin for sonic 2
>mfw he tried to trade back for it with a fucking broken violin stick thing

[Anonymous No.7925894]

> better music
> better bosses
> better bonus stages
> better levels
Yaaa this checks out. I liked the mechanics in sonic and knuckles, but I wouldn’t give that up for worse level design. Even sonic 1 kinda sucks. It’s hard not to just go back to 2.

[Anonymous No.7925929]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. 3 is exactly the moment when the franchise began it's decline. It's hard to notice because it still had enough of the formula established by 1 and 2 baked in that it's still a very good/passable game; but it does note a change in pace and style that only grows like cancer as the series goes on. 2 was Sonic at it's peak. 2 had a feeling of rawness to it still, 2 had a feeling of sleekness, 2 had a feeling of belonging and purpose.

2's music is unironically far better than 3. 3 is great, it has some shining moments but it really is nothing compared to 2. Nakamura did something so special with 1 and 2, but really found himself in 2. I don't know if he just hadn't quite mastered the Sega soundchip yet but 1 still has some stiffness to it that isn't quite present in 2. Still though I believe even 1 has a better soundtrack that 3&K; probably largely due to the fact that they were developed by a singular mind. 3 marks the introduction of Senoue to the team, a musician that while I don't mind the slightly more "hard rock" style, I do take issue with his inclusion in 3&K's soundtrack. I think the city pop vibe that Nakamura brought to the table was more in line with the Japanese image of Sonic (pic rel), where as Sunoue's work reflected more closely the American idealization of Sonic. Beyond that; while I do love the Jackson tracks, they're oddly out of place most of the time.

And in reality that was the crux of it all. Sonic 3 marks a departure from form, leaving behind the small, cute, and lovable hedgehog of Japan, and introducing the slightly more edgy, rebellious character that panders to the larger audience of Americans (and by extension America's influence in the 90s). While it might seem like I'm only talking about music, this entire attitude towards the franchise is what the game is steeped in: more Americans.

[Anonymous No.7925931]

>>7925929
There's something to be said about difficulty when compared to 1 and 2. Most people will agree that 1 and 2 are far harder than 3&K, and they would be right. It's not just that you got older, or even better and Sonic games when 3 came out, it was just objectively far easier. For example: in 1 and 2 collecting a chaos emerald was a reward for holding a certain number of rings to a specific point in the game. This meant that getting an emerald wasn't just about finding a place where you could enter a special stage, it was also about keeping yourself safe during your journey towards the warp zone. 3 on the other hand doesn't give a shit if you don't have enough rings; you get to enter no matter what. In 3, with only minimal exploration it's fairly easy to have super unlocked before you're even done Hydrocity. Now, of course you can have super unlocked very early in 2 as well; but it requires sacrificing a lot of time and effort to run around and grab rings + flipping the posts in the correct order (so as not to spoil any accidentally). This is really the best balance between 1 and 3, where 1 made getting the emeralds obnoxious (and for no reward), 2 makes it challenging but never just pukes it to you on a silver platter.

Level design is likewise affected. 1 and 2 both enjoy hard to reach, well hidden, one shot secrets designed around a single character. 3 on the other hand rarely takes away your ability to access a secret if you fucked up getting it the first time, but to add insult to injury rarely requires a lot of SPEED to access these secrets. Most of the are simply found by just walking around for a minute or two. 1 and 2 both demand that you have
some momentum built up in order to get to the hard to reach places; 3&K just says: "oh sorry you missed that big jump, here's a spring to send you back so you can try again!", where as the attitude that 1 and 2 have are "fuck you guess you missed it".

[Anonymous No.7926168]

>>7925931
I do not think 3 is that much worse than 1 and 2.
It is pretty similar to the DKC series on the SNES, first one is a classic, second one is a masterpiece, third one is good but not as good.
3 one has more content too.

But it is true that a complete and total newbie can easily complete both Sonic 3 game without too much difficulty.

Sonic 1 is a bitch the first time you do the special stages and if it is your intro to the sonic series YOU WILL die and genuinely game over. OFC once you are used to it you just do not die anymore but the special stages can be a challenge and if you miss enough of them you will not have all the emeralds.

Sonic 2 IMO most of the difficulty the first time around comes from the final bosses themselves and Metropolis can be a bitch.
The bonus levels are also genuinely hard, Ghost N Goblins level of hard, I am surprised it they even released the game with such hard bonus level, I know it is optional content but they truly make you work for Super Sonic.

[Anonymous No.7926194]

>>7925929
Yeah, I first noticed the music was worse. Less soul than 1 or 2, or even the master system or gamegear ones.

[Anonymous No.7926207]

>>7925610
Didn't Sonic 3 have better graphics though?

[Anonymous No.7926213]

In sonic 3 sometimes you go left

[Anonymous No.7926240]

Nabra, sonic 3 is peak sonic. More powerups and variety. Cooler levels as well, and let’s not forget the soundtrack. It is the sensible progression from one and two.

[Anonymous No.7926331]

>>7926207
It absolutely did in every way possible.
>inb4 muh Sonic sprite autism

[Anonymous No.7926656]

>>7925610
>fucked-up development where lot of ideas, zones and shit were cut
>inferior story. no cutscenes. you just appear out of knowhere in the next level, making it SOULLESS with no excuse or justification to play said level
>linear. you always go right, nevel left. tails does nothing, no flying, no co-op soul, no nothing
>last zone is a dissapointment
>wing fortress has messed up dash panels
>not many memorable zones

sonic 3 has
>epic story. everything is on fucking point, every details, from cutscenes, transitions, justifications for the characters to be where they are, etc. consistency
>shields and power-ups that amplify the experience and gameplay
>alternate paths, gameplay
>most memorable. nobody fucking cares about doing sprite animations with sonic 2, but hell people love doing animations with sonic 3 CUS IT HAS FUCKING SOUL
>really, fucking 11/10. eggman is so fucking badass here, he never gives up, manipulating knuckles, have last cards (a giant robot) in the final battle

sonic 2 fags are just kids, that's the only explanation i have about why they are so retarded
besides
sonic 1 music > sonic 2
not even nakamura golden work

[Anonymous No.7926665]

>>7926656
hell, i forgot sonic 3 has cool mid-bosses, thus even more variety
plus stage gimmicks like the machines found in flying battery 2, the spinning thing from marble garden, the whole fucking dark maze filled with ghost from sandopolis act 2
diference and stages filled with identity, not just the levels but the acts themselves
etc

it really is an epic adventure. sonic 2 is fucking nothing compared to this adventure

[Anonymous No.7926696]

>>7925929
>>7925931
>>7926168
First time reading your points and they're interesting. I still ultimately like 3&K above all simply for the sheer story in itself; yes, I'm a huge narrativefag over ludo. But you could also argue that Sonic 2's story is equally an epic, if not greater for the stakes at hand. That ending, especially, when you experience it as an 8-year old kid will always stick with you. That's what makes nostalgia. So I can see how 3&K cools down after taking down Robotnik and his Death Egg for the first time, and putting an end to it all for good. I'm still waiting for another mascot or character to inspire kids as pervasive as Sonic did. But hey, maybe there's shit in Fortnite or Minecraft I'm not seeing.

[Anonymous No.7926720]

>>7925929
Sonic 2 was made in America, retard.

[Anonymous No.7926771]

>>7925929
I wouldn't have said it better. I thought I was the only one thinking that 3 was the moment of Sonic changing into another different thing. It wasn't even about reading internet. Already in 1994 I thought something was wrong with the game and it was the first Sonic game that we didn't buy at home and only rented it. It was a more edgy and depressing game that 1 and 2, and it was larguely because of the aesthetics and the departure of Nakamura.

[Anonymous No.7927052]

>>7925931
Here's the thing, some of what makes 3K easy is actually incredibly good design that Sonic 2 only has in parts: constant tiered level design. S3K levels are designed so that there are good paths and bad paths everywhere, as many as 4 layers deep in some of the better stages; the actual failure state of the game is falling to a worse path, not death, and then you keep playing. It also makes it way more replayable to have this level design - it's phenomenal design for a 4th gen game to have. Sonic 2 has this but dramatically less. So no, not everything that's making it less likely you die makes the game worse. In this particular case it's a corollary of simply better design.

[Anonymous No.7927054]

>>7925610
>3 first stages are GOAT
>rest of the game is a turd
nah, it exposes you as a casual that didn't play long

That said, S3 isn't that good either. S&K is the real GOAT.

[Anonymous No.7927093]

>>7925610
Aquatic Ruin Zone produces the most nostalgia for me, this is the first videogame I ever played and that level stands out to me the most, I can't quite articulate properly exactly how that particular level makes me feel, nostalgia probably isn't the right word it gives me such a subconscious feeling of bliss like I'm remembering a different life from a different reality.

[Anonymous No.7927123]

>>7927093
>Aquatic Ruin Zone
ahaha yesssss now look upon the mystic cave zone and let your heart be filled with absolute DRED

[Anonymous No.7927138]

>>7927123
MCZ has such funky music I can't hate it.

[Anonymous No.7927205]

>>7927123
That was as far as my 4 year old self could possible get in that game, I gave up after that and my hand me down Mega Drive croaked shortly after.

[Anonymous No.7927269]

>>7926771
Yeah. Sonic 3 had big levels but they felt empty and soulless. Angel Island is good until it becomes a fire level. Hydropolis: a water level as the second level? The fuck outta here. Marble Garden makes me want to slit my wrists. Carnival Night has the atmosphere of walking around a deserted carnival, the polar opposite of the "alive" feeling Casino Night in Sonic 2, plus that fucking rotating barrel part that made people abandon the game. Ice Cap, now you're fucking talking, a good level at last. Launch Pad: too long, too weird, an uneasy mix of speed and sudden spikey death.

I personally think Sonic 1 is the purest retro sonic but Inrespect people who say 2.

[Anonymous No.7927285]

>>7925610
Agree.
When Sonic 2 came out, children saw Chemical Factory Zone, and the special stages, and they literally (LITERALLY) shit their pants.
Sonic 3 is good, but no one shit their pants over it.

[Anonymous No.7927392]

>>7927269
>lee ice cap meme

secondary casual spot

[Anonymous No.7927518]

>>7927269
You should play more Marble Garden

[Anonymous No.7927549]

>>7925610
Levels lack interesting elevation changes like Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

[Anonymous No.7927558]

>>7925843
there's a 3&k hack for that :^) http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_2:_S3_Edition

[Anonymous No.7927568]

>>7926656
they could never get a taxman port of 3&k thru copyright so no zoomer ipad version for zoomers like 2 so younger sonic fans gravitate towards it

[Anonymous No.7927627]

>>7925929
>2's music is unironically far better than 3.
uhh sweatie
https://youtu.be/wo_4R17gYSY

[Anonymous No.7927667]

>>7927627
It sounds like it could be good but wtf is that horrendous tone of the main melody? It sounds like the noise the keys make when you dial them.

[Anonymous No.7927670]

>>7927627
It sounds like it could be good but wtf is that horrendous tone of the main melody? It sounds like the noise the keys make on a phone when you press them.

[Anonymous No.7927845]

sonic 3 is so good it does sonic 2 better than sonic 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoywBOf_MF8

[Anonymous No.7927859]

just feel like i'm being trolled nonstop by sonic 2 fans, "yeah this dumb plodding soundtrack is better than s3&k's multiple layers of complexity," "yeah this gross sprite with all sorts of problems like his eye bleeding into his cheek is clearly better"

now somehow i have to deal with
>introducing the slightly more edgy, rebellious character that panders to the larger audience of Americans
what about sonic 3 is like this or is even indicating toward it? the slightly more upturned smirk in your picture? are you kidding?

[Anonymous No.7927893]

>>7926207
No, it looks terrible compared to 1 and 2. Sonic has an ugly pre-rendered look, and the stages look like a scaled mess, like they were made for a different resolution. Sega CD also looks a lot better

[Anonymous No.7927903]

>>7925610
2 > 1 >>>>> 3

[Anonymous No.7927912]

>>7926656
>sonic 3 has
>>epic story
You sound like you were in the special class. Sonic 3 sucks

[Anonymous No.7927914]

3 and S&K are worse than 2, but together they're stronger.

[Anonymous No.7927934]

>>7925931
1 is by far the easiest

[Anonymous No.7927973]

>>7925610
Objective list
Sonic 3K > 1 > 2 > CD
Now fuck off nostalgiababby

[Anonymous No.7927989]

>>7925929
>>7925931
>>7926168
>>7926194
>>7926771
>>7927269
>>7927285
>>7927670
>>7927893
>>7927903
You need to get a life.
S2 will never ever be anywhere near close to 3K no matter how much you nostalgia about it.
S2 isn't even as good as S1.
Only people with sub-50 IQ can possibly think what you think.

>>7927054
3K is one game and if you play anything except for 3 Complete nowadays you're not a real fan
S&K and S3only is autism

>>7927914
Nope. Even in separate forms they are 10x better.

[Anonymous No.7928031]

>>7927989
Sonic 1 is pretty shitty for the most part. Fuck off

[Anonymous No.7928079]

>>7927989
Sonic 3 sucks. Worst of the trilogy, and worse than Sonic CD and Chaotix

[Anonymous No.7928891]

On paper I like everything about 3K more than 2.
>I like the spritework & music better
>I like most of the level archetypes better
>I think the story is more interesting
>Knuckles is my favorite character
>I love the inclusion of both bonus and special stages
>I love the elemental shields
>I love that the different characters have abilities & campaigns
>I love the minibosses
>I love hypersonic and the special ending (before it was driven into the ground in every game)
so on and so forth.

And yet, I just find 2 more fun to play. and I find 1 the most fun to play of the 3. Is this because I was playing Mario before I got into sonic? Marble is one of my favorite zones to play for some reason, but maybe I'm just getting filtered.

[Anonymous No.7928917]

I don't agree at all. Sonic 2 is still a great game but Sonic 3&K built up on it completely.

[Anonymous No.7928921]

>>7925929
>>7925931
>>7926168

Its simple. Sonic 2 is Pet Sounds, straightfoward music thats a lot of fun and replayable
Sonic 3 is SMiLE, trying to do more than the last, and while still good to listen to, doesnt capture the feel anymore

[Anonymous No.7928932]

Ice Cap Zone says hi

[Anonymous No.7929082]

>>7925610
Sonic 2 has Casino Zone

That alone makes it better than Sonic 3

[Anonymous No.7929083]

>>7928932
overrated short as fuck level

[Anonymous No.7929119]

>>7929082
This.
Casino Zone was such a game changer, nothing like that exists in Sonic 3

[Anonymous No.7929164]

>>7927269
>that abrupt environment change in Angel Island
>Hydropolis feeling like an actual ancient underwater city instead of just an excuse to have a water level
>those mystic looking ruins in the distance of Marble Garden making you feel like you're intruding upon an ancient world
>the cityscape in the background of Carnival Night
>Ice Cap is the first ice level in the series and it's amazing
>Launch Base feeling like true disc-one final showdown with the death egg in the distance

Pretty sure the only empty and soulless one here is you anon

[Anonymous No.7929174]

>>7929082
Worst off Sonic 3 tried with Carnival Night, which is pretty much Sonic 2 Casino Zone's retarded younger brother with terrible music, level design and gimmicks

[Anonymous No.7929459]

>>7929164
carnival night doesn't have a cityscape really. i always interpreted it as some kind of oil ocean-esque power plant robotnik shittily disguised as a carnival to make it seem less insidious

[Anonymous No.7929470]

>>7929174
>mfw being 10 years old finally figuring out how this fucking thing works

[Anonymous No.7929476]

>>7929459
Post moar sanic backgrounds.

[Anonymous No.7929532]

>>7926656
all this cope for the easiest game in the series. lmao. you could've just skipped the whole tantrum and just said you're autistic.

[Anonymous No.7929597]

>>7929532
i'd say lava reef, sky sanctuary and death egg are among the harder sonic zones. sonic 2's difficulty curve is much more wonky with metropolis and death egg being significantly more difficult than the rest of the game and sonic 1's "difficulty" is more about enduring annoying level gimmicks more than anything

[Anonymous No.7929607]

>>7929082
>Positives Sonic 2 gave us
Sonic 2 gave us Tails and side characters
Sonic 2 gave us 2 Player mode
Sonic 2 gave us Spin Dash
Sonic 2 introduces the idea of 7 Chaos Emeralds
Sonic 2 gave us Super Sonic
Sonic 2 gave us Casino Zone that opened up the gameplay idea of Sonic (and even spun off Sonic Pinball)
Sonic 2's sprites are still the "go to" retro sprites that people use to this day when showign a "retro" Sonic

>Now let's look at Sonic 3 positives
Sonic 3 gives us a battery save feature
Sonic 3 gave us Knuckles
Sonic 3 has music by Michael Jackson
Sonic 3 introduced "secondary Jump features" be it a homing ball, float, hover or whatever
Sonic 3 gave us "cut scenes"

After that the level design and music is subjective between the 2. I feel personally that Sonic 2 is more iconic and did more to stay in pop culture than Sonic 3 did.

[Anonymous No.7929623]

>>7928921
sonic 3 is pet sounds, sonic 2 is like... wild honey

[Anonymous No.7929635]

>>7929607
>Sonic 2 gave us Tails
>Sonic 2 gave us Spin Dash
>Sonic 2 introduces the idea of 7 Chaos Emeralds
>Sonic 2 gave us Super Sonic

Sonic 2 is the best game in the series, but none of those things are positive

[Anonymous No.7929642]

>>7929607
>Sonic 2 gave us Tails and side characters
Sonic 2 only really introduced Tails and Mecha Sonic. Sonic CD introduced Metal Sonic and Amy Rose.

>>7929607
>>Now let's look at Sonic 3 positives
And lock-on technology :P

[Anonymous No.7929646]

>>7929635
bruh what the fuck do you like about sonic 2 if not those things

[Anonymous No.7929687]

>>7929642
Fucking Game Genie gave us that first.

[ASK ME ABOUT MY DIET !!GEXswjBgWgG No.7929697]

>OP is objectively better at Sonic 2 than Sonic 3 in your path

[Anonymous No.7929701]

>>7929697
What about your diet?

[ASK ME ABOUT MY DIET !!GEXswjBgWgG No.7929705]

>>7929701
I'll eat what I want healthy at every size

[Anonymous No.7929706]

>>7929476

[Anonymous No.7929709]

>>7929705
'kay.

[Anonymous No.7929810]

>>7927093
Fuck me I hated AR zone. My favorite was Chemical Plant so I usually just beat Chemical Plant and shut the game off.

[Anonymous No.7930185]

>>7929646
Looks the best, sounds the best, plays the best. And I turn Tails off in options, because I'm not retarded

[Anonymous No.7930192]

>>7930185
>Looks the best
eh sonic looks weird if you ask me
>sounds the best
maybe
>plays the best
bitch please 2 is middling mechanically and has sparse level gimmicks compared to 3&k

[Anonymous No.7930214]

Sonic 2 is the weakest of the original series

3K > 1 = CD > 2

[Anonymous No.7930246]

>>7930214
This is the correct opinion.

[Anonymous No.7930257]

>>7929687
>Fucking Game Genie gave us that first.

Game Genie didn't give me the ability to play as Knuckles in Sonic 2.

[Anonymous No.7930258]

>>7930214
>sonic 1 and cd better than 2 meme
I hate you faggots

[Anonymous No.7930298]

>>7930258
Hate hurts the hater more than it ever hurts the target. Your life may be shorter than you think; don't waste it on such foolishness.

[Anonymous No.7930316]

>>7929607
>Sonic 2 introduces the idea of 7 Chaos Emeralds
Chaos emeralds were in Sonic 1, retard

[Anonymous No.7930329]

>>7930316
>Chaos emeralds were in Sonic 1, retard


Sonic 2 adds Super Sonic as a reward for collecting them all.

[Anonymous No.7930423]

>>7925929
Tl;dr: I agree, even if I still prefer S3K over all, it was the point SEGA wanted spicnigger DBZ shit in Felix the Cat the blue rat and add RPG shit to it as well because le Japan can't get enough of them. Except when you said Jackson is bad. Go fuck yourself whitie.

[Anonymous No.7931215]

>>7930316
Yeah but there were only six of them, sperg

[Anonymous No.7931218]

>>7930316
There was only 6 in Sonic 1 and they did nothing special. He said 7

Read before you comment.

[Anonymous No.7931238]

>>7930423
>go fuck yourself whitie
>defending a nigger pedophile that bleached his skin white
kek

[Anonymous No.7931776]

What's with all the brainlets shitting on Sonic 3? It's objectively the best Sonic game. Sonic 2 was alright I guess but the lack of a save feature is what kills it for me, it was the 90's. If Super Mario World could save 2 years earlier then Sega had no excuse.

Not having a save feature makes Super Sonic worthless. You go through all that shit to get the chaos emeralds but if you aren't able to finish the game in one sitting afterwards then you're fucked. The special stages in Sonic 2 are total ass, worst in the series. Sonic 1 and 3' are challenging in a fun way and are easier to access so there's plenty of opportunities to practice the special stages. Sonic 2's special stages have you running around the level collecting rings for 5 minutes and then you need to find a fucking checkpoint, absolute bullshit game design.

Sonic 1 was radical, Sonic 2 was fine, Sonic 3 and knuckles improved upon the formula in every conceivable way.

[Anonymous No.7932059]

>>7931776
that's why the s3 hack is the best way to play it on genesis. it has identical saving not to mention the shields and moves from 3&k (instashield, tails can actually fly, etc) and just overall better controls thanks to 3&k lol

[Anonymous No.7932067]

>>7931776
sonic spinball and 3d blast are better than sonic 3

[Anonymous No.7932086]

>>7932067
spinball is decent and 3d blast is ok-ish but really you've got to be kidding. 3d blast doesn't even have momentum physics

[Anonymous No.7932105]

>>7932086

I think it is a better game than most people give it credit for. But not one of the best Sonic games. I like 3D Blast. It's not even the first Sonic game to be isometric. Sega Sonic for the arcades and Sonic Labyrinth for the 8-bit Sega systems? Soundtrack for 3D Blast is top tier with the exception of one or two tracks. Soundtrack could have been in a mainline Sonic game.

[Anonymous No.7932108]

>>7931776
>>7925843
>muh save features
what the fuck fuck. you beat the game in 1 hour and a half, and that's going noob gameplay.

why the fuck fuck do zoomer cry so hard about muh save features??? sonic games are so fucking easy, all buttons jump and kill the enmies, and you don't lost as long as you have 1 of the hundreds and hunderds of rings spread all across the level

what the fucking fuck retards. what the fuck
explain this meme to me, i seriously am unable to even grasp the idea of people too retarded to beat a game as easy as sonic 3 in one go

super mario world takes time to explore all the world and caslte. that's no way a 1 or 2 hours game. it's so fucking different i don't even
tutorials shit exists because of noob shits like you

[Anonymous No.7932276]

>>7932108
if you'd stop your baby diaper pouting and read you'd see that saving improves getting all the chaos emeralds and means you can use super sonic without having to keep your genesis off afterwards with the level select in the file menu for completed saves. if you were as good as sonic as you claim you'd know you could do shit like that

[Anonymous No.7932308]

>>7932276
>saving data files = good sonic player
wat
what kind of faggotry is that

if i want to break the game i would use debug mode, that's all
if i play legit then i'll get the emeralds. legit
what you claim to be so awesome and superior "sonic player" is breaking the game since the first level and not playing the special stages ever again
thus making you much more than a faggot. a true retard

whats next, sonic 1 sucks because you can't spin dash or any other game because you don't start the level with shields or invencibility or speed shoes (because that's what super sonic)

kill yourselves cancer. your noob faggotry killed videogames, tutorials and cheats and low shortcut exists because of retarded noobs like you

i don't even

[Anonymous No.7932318]

>saving in a 1h30m walk-in-the-park game to keep the broken powerups in a second playthrough making the easy af game already easier is superior and only real true gameplay experience

[ASK ME ABOUT MY DIET !!GEXswjBgWgG No.7932517]

>>7931776
Why don't you git gud brainlet?

[Anonymous No.7932564]

>>7932308
>>7932318
>literally wasting your effort for imaginary gamer honour

lol whatever homos

[Anonymous No.7932578]

>>7932564
>playing = *effort*

so thats why generations and forces give s ranks so easily huh

[Anonymous No.7932579]

>>7925865
Damn, you cold.

[Anonymous No.7932585]

>>7932578
>saving = not playing the game
the only people who don't want saving haven't actually bothered getting all the emeralds

[Anonymous No.7932681]

>>7932108

OP said objectively better in every way. Games are better when you can turn them off for any reason and resume where you left off. There is no downside.

Also you seem to think being able to turn off a game and it remembering what level you were on makes it easier... At least that is what I gathered from your fit.

Seek help.

[Anonymous No.7932685]

>>7932585
zoomer, stop the bait: you're retarded and embarassing yourself so hard

[Anonymous No.7932764]

>>7925610
>t.youtuber

[Anonymous No.7932767]

>>7925865
>hard drivin for sonic 2


To be honest. Sonic 2 was not rare or hard to come by. It was the pack-in game for the Genesis model 2. It was easy to find a new cartridge (in box) at a pawn shop. I would have taken Hard Drivin'. I actually really liked that port and the original arcade game (oddly). Hard Drivin' had a loop in it before Sonic:

https://youtu.be/pfe2Ze_yDk4?t=108

[Anonymous No.7932785]

I played through these games again recently thinking I thought 3&K was the best, but honestly it's mostly kind of a drag. First couple zones of each cartridge are fun but then go downhill hard after that. I find myself mostly enjoying Sonic 2 the whole way through with minor hiccups, until wing fortress where I usually just quit.

Still love doomsday zone from 3&K though.

[Anonymous No.7932797]

>>7932767
>It was the pack-in game for the Genesis model 2.


The Sega Genesis in North America was originally bundled with the game Altered Beast, which is a 2 player beat-em up that is a port of an arcade game. It was the pack in game from 1989 - 1991. From mid 1991 - 1993, Sonic 1 became the pack-in game for the Genesis. It replaced Altered Beast. But in late 1992 or early 1993, Sega had a mail-in deal, where you send them a few dollars and a UPC of your purchased Genesis, and they would send back Sonic 2 in the mail. Sonic 2 became the official pack-in game for the Genesis Model 2 system, that was released in 1993. Sonic 2 was the pack-in for the majority of the Model 2's run. Sega still had some alt-bundles as well, like the Streets of Rage 2 bundle. Sonic 2 was bundled with the Genesis model 2 for a longer period of time than Altered Beast or Sonic 1. Sonic 1 was repackaged in compilation carts though.

Nintendo even copied Sega's mail in deal. Where they would give away Mario-All Stars on the SNES to anyone for free who would send in a UPC code and the mailing fee. Sega was promoting "two Sonic games free" for a limited time, and a year after Nintendo fired back with "Get 5 Mario Games (1,2,3,LL, and SMW) free" for a limited time.

[Anonymous No.7932813]

OG Sonic player here since 1991.

The worst part about Sonic 3 for me was just how much of an uninspired fail the Super Sonic jingle is. Seriously, it’s like a repeating six-second loop or something? Fucking retarded. Sonic 2’s Super jingle was way WAY better. I did find Sonic 3’s Doomsday Zone kinda cool though.

And while I much prefer the Chaos Emerald special stages in Sonic 2, I did kinda enjoy the other two bonus levels in Sonic 3.

If I had to pick one Sonic game to only ever play for the rest of my life it’ll probably be Mania though (and I’ll probably regret it LMAO) despite a number of annoyances I have with the game. Even choosing between 2 and 3&K won’t be easy for me. I absolutely love some of the zones in 3&K (Flying Battery and Lava Reef are my two personal favourites, and I know I’m gonna get a lot of flack for this but I’m also quite fond of Sandopolis lol), but Chemical Plant is just legendary and likewise I know Oil Ocean isn’t exactly popular either but it’s my personal favourite in 2. Having typed all this out though I’m definitely picking 2 over 3&K though. It just feels like a much more consistent package and there’s just something missing in 3 that I can’t quite put my finger on. It’s like Sonic lost some of his soul in 3 compared to 2.

[Anonymous No.7932815]

>>7932785
>I played through these games again recently thinking I thought 3&K was the best, but honestly it's mostly kind of a drag. First couple zones of each cartridge are fun but then go downhill hard after that. I find myself mostly enjoying Sonic 2 the whole way through with minor hiccups, until wing fortress where I usually just quit.
Agree, although I always thought that Mushroom Hill was a very lame stage graphically. Sonic games always had great first stages but Mushroom Hill was ugly even in 1994. For some reason, I believe the later stages of S&K are better designed graphically that the first ones.

[Anonymous No.7932850]

>>7932797

I'm sure a lot of people had this model in North America. I know I did. I use to see those 'not for retail' Sonic 2 carts appear in second-hand shops all the time. Most common Genesis cartridge, Not for Retail: Sonic 2. Sonic 1, not for retail is kinda common. Retail Sonic 2 carts probably harder to come by. Sonic 1 was packed with '6-pak' in North America. But was included with a couple UK 6-in-1 carts. Sonic 2 was stand-alone on the Genesis.

[Anonymous No.7932859]

>>7932850
>not for retail

resale. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.7932874]

>>7932850

Aladdin (sold so many copies), Toy Story (saw this one a lot, used) , Sonic 3D Blast and Sonic & Knuckles, all really common cartridges. Sonic 3 retail sold more than Sonic 2 retail. Sonic 3, not uncommon.

[Anonymous No.7932878]

>>7932874

and anything Madden, FIFA or NHL from like 1994 to 1997. Those World Series BaseBall games from Sega too. I am just thinking most common Genesis games, and Sonic 2: Not for Resale is on that list.

[Anonymous No.7932894]

>>7925610
Sonic 2 is in general more fun to pick up and play, first time I played sonic 3 I thought the graphics were better but I didn't like the long levels, my cartridge have bad save memory which made it worse.
I like both the same for different reasons. Sonic 3 is more epic, bigger levels etc. I saw a review from the time that said it was way too easy and that doom on 32x was better. For me I can replay these games many times. With sonic 3 you play 1 and a half hours and you start to want be at the end.
I consider both 10/10 games.

[Anonymous No.7932919]

>>7925610
I generally prefer 3&K, but 2 definitely had better pacing.

[Anonymous No.7933015]

Sonic 2 is a ton better than Sonic 3, but I like Sonic & Knuckles better than Sonic 2.

Sonic 3 & Knuckles doesn't automatically beat 2 as a result, because you still have to plod through some heaping mounds of shit in the process. Marble Garden and Carnival Night are just not good stages and Ice Cap right afterwards is not at all good enough to make up for them. Sucks because Angel Island into Hydrocity is an extremely strong start. Sonic 2 doesn't really have any bad zones, anyone who tries to claim Oil Ocean or Metropolis are bad was flat out filtered because they have some actual challenge to them.

[Anonymous No.7933073]

>>7933015
>Carnival Night
I’ve personally always hated all these fucking casino/carnival-themed sonic levels. I know they’re pretty much part of the franchise but man do they suck ass for most part (and for the case of Sonic 1 Spring Yard Zone is pretty much the closest thing and yes it sucks too).

Sonic 2’s Casino Night? Arse. Sonic 3’s Carnival Night? Arse. Sonic Mania’s Studiopolis? Arse (although I’ll admit it’s the most tolerable of the bunch).

[Anonymous No.7933094]

>>7925929
2 looks like the sequel of 3 because it plays better in every way.

[Anonymous No.7933097]

>>7933015
I don't mind Marble Garden too much, but Carnival Night definitely sucks. Act 2 in particular has far too many moments that slow things to an absolute crawl. Why the fuck does it even include water?

[Anonymous No.7933154]

>>7925610
Written like a true Sonic 2 shitter.
Sorry but Sonic 3 as it is meant to be (& Knuckles) is the absolute pinnacle of the Sonic franchise.

[Anonymous No.7933182]

>>7925610
I agree that Sonic 2 is better than Sonic 3, but it still pales in comparasion to THIS:

[Anonymous No.7933216]

>>7932318
>playing a video game for 2 hours straight
Do people really do this?

[Anonymous No.7933254]

>>7933216
>doing a thing for more than 5 minutes at a time without getting distracted and needing to record a tiktok video
ikr what a faggot

[Anonymous No.7933256]

>>7925843
If only we could save on Sonic 2, Sonic 1 even.

[Anonymous No.7933257]

>>7932813
Sandopolis Act 2 is badass.

[Anonymous No.7933258]

>>7933216
You're posting on a board made up largely of video games that existed before save games were reliable. You should be studying for your driving test, not trying to sound edgy on a basket weaving forum.

[Anonymous No.7934010]

>>7933015
what the fuck would someone who likes metropolis even dislike about marble garden or carnival night?
>>7933097
the water barely even slows you down. git gud.

[Anonymous No.7934020]

>>7933254
literally only kids have the free time to easily dump 2 hours into a game shut the fuck up you samefagging obviously-projecting turbozoomer

[Anonymous No.7934040]

>>7933256
sonic classic heroes has saving and goes through both 1 and 2

[Anonymous No.7934075]

Anyone know if Taxman is helping make Sonic Origins? I can’t compare 2&3 until I’ve played both in wide screen.

[Anonymous No.7934082]

did anyone else enjoy hill top zone as much as i did? this is the most nostalgic stage for me. all the blue, and the music just really fucking takes me back. this stage stood out the absolute most to me as a kid, aside from casino night.

[Anonymous No.7934127]

>>7925610
Sonic just makes me realize how they barely even tried to make other games for that system

Sure there were a few others but not that many in comparison to snes and nes at the time

[Anonymous No.7934147]

Catchiest music for any video game ever made

[Anonymous No.7934164]

>>7934127
or you just grew up with the nes and snes instead of the genesis and so only know of the shit that was the most marketed

[Anonymous No.7934167]

>>7934020
Do you work 16 hour days or something?

[Anonymous No.7934168]

>>7934082
yeah i remember liking hill top a lot as a kid too which is weird cause it was always the zone that would floor me back then. the part with the rising floor was just too intimidating as a kid

[Anonymous No.7934345]

>>7934082
It's definitely the "comfiest" level due to the setting that's for sure. The music may be in the top 5

[Anonymous No.7934535]

>>7934020

I find the bigger issue is starting a game. As a kid if I had an hour to kill before I had to go somewhere or do something I used to reach for Sonic 3, not 2 because I could save and come back later.

Now days I'll start any Genesis game I want with only 10-15 minutes of free time because I play them on my Mini now and can save and shut if off any time.

Saves are just an extra convenience, one Sonic 3 alone had back in the day and 2 lacked.

[Anonymous No.7934545]

>>7927558
>http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_2:_S3_Edition
Neat idea but man this is rough as hell.

[Anonymous No.7934630]

>>7932813
>The worst part about Sonic 3 for me was just how much of an uninspired fail the Super Sonic jingle is
It's literally the invincibility jingle on loop. They didn't even make a different song for it.

[Anonymous No.7934664]

>>7934545
i think its literally sonic 2's assets hamfisted into 3&k's engine so its kind of bonkers it works at all

the fact that some unfinished experimental hack made by some bored kid in 2009 makes sonic 2 so much better says something though

[Anonymous No.7934828]

>>7934020
Literally how do you not have at least 2 hours of free time per day? Did you fall for the wife and kids meme?

[Anonymous No.7935110]

>>7934020
>doesn't have 2 hours of free time
Do you live in china?

[Anonymous No.7935117]

>>7934082
Based Hill Top. It’s a supremely well designed zone and I love the music too.

For many Sonic 2 players it’s also the first zone we accidentally discovered one of the most widely used exploits which is still used today for speed-running (the platform glitch which allows you to warp through the ground by landing on a falling platform while invincible from taking damage (usually from nearby lava). I remember discovering it accidentally as a kid and feeling mightly smug and superior about it haha. Good times.

[Anonymous No.7935126]

>>7934010
>the water barely even slows you down. git gud.
I'm talking about Carnival Night, not a good zone like Hydrocity or Launch Base.

[Anonymous No.7935129]

>>7934828
Lmao kids… seeing parents whine about lack of time while dealing with their screeching crotch droppings all day is one thing that consistently fills my weekly schadenfreude quota. Getting my tubes tied was one of the best things I’ve ever done in my life.

Back on topic though, how are the classic Sonic games on the Switch actually? Particularly 2 & 3 and perhaps even Mania. I’ve been contemplating getting a Switch to mount next to my bed because it really seems like an awesome little device to commit to a run or two in the evening when I’m already in bed. I always like to do a quick Sonic 2 run every now and then, I think Sonic 2’s length is more or less perfect for me. It’s a game I can easily pick up and play in one sitting without worrying about interruptions.

[Anonymous No.7935227]

>>7925620
what did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.7935230]

>>7934020
The time you waste on this board could be used for gaming. Also wtf not even 2 hours of free time?

[Anonymous No.7935231]

>>7935227
It's a /co/ thing but I don't understand how it fits here.

[Anonymous No.7935238]

>>7928921
I don't read rolling stone I am not a boomer

[Anonymous No.7935261]

>>7925610
Are we supposed to disagree with this fact?

[Anonymous No.7935263]

>>7928921
>Sonic 3 is SMiLE

It is really more like the HiStory of Videogame soundtracks. :P

https://youtu.be/uwA9E-OTkbk

[Anonymous No.7935286]

>>7925929
>city pop vibe
you have no idea what you're talking about here

[Anonymous No.7935295]

>>7934010
>what the fuck would someone who likes metropolis even dislike about marble garden or carnival night?
There's also a huge difference between having a near-final level that requires you to be on your toes versus the third level in what can be extended into a fairly long game having constant traps and terribly slow gimmicks. I also find Metropolis a lot more fun and easier to keep a good pace in compared to Marble Garden.

Carnival Night is just fucking boring.

[Anonymous No.7935310]

>>7929607
Sonic 3 introduced act 1 minibosses, which I'd say is notable

[Anonymous No.7935318]

>>7931776
As much as I hate the term, it seems to be contrarianism, which /vr/ is rife with. It's also very predictable:
>[best game] isn't that good; [2nd best game] is actually the best one! [best game] is shit!
I understand finding things to be overrated, but it becomes a problem when you exaggerate your opinion to unreasonable levels.

[Anonymous No.7935325]

>>7925610
Can't I just like both?

[Anonymous No.7935334]

>>7931776
>Sonic 1 and 3' are challenging in a fun way and are easier to access so there's plenty of opportunities to practice the special stages.

Wat? Sonic 1 has THE LEAST opportunities to practice special stages of ALL Sonic games. Firstly the special stage ring only appears at the END of the stage and ONLY if it’s Act 1 or 2 AND ONLY after having collected 50 rings. And special stage rings don’t appear in Scrap Brain Zone.

So what that means is that in Sonic 1 you only get a total of 10 opportunities to enter the special stage (via Act 1/2 of Green Hill, Marble, Spring Yard, Labyrinth & Star Light) to collect 6 chaos emeralds. Whereas in Sonic 2 you can trigger a special stage from the checkpoint beacon of which there are PLENTY as long as you have 50 rings. It’s seriously possible to get Super Sonic before reaching Chemical Plant since there’s enough checkpoints in Emerald Hill Zone Act 1 & 2 to grab all seven emeralds. Likewise in Sonic 3 you have tons of special stage rings scattered all over the damn place but seriously Sonic 1 special stages are fucking retarded, both to get into and play. I don’t get what all the hate is with Sonic 2’s special stages either, they’re not that hard and I do actually enjoy them and I’ll even go out of my way to say that Sonic 2 had the best special stages of the original classics.

[Anonymous No.7935545]

sonic 3 had on sonics eyes which i didnt like

[Anonymous No.7936283]

>>7935334
Keeping 50 rings for an entire stage in Sonic 1 is easy if you don't suck ass. Sonic 2 special stages are technically more accessible but I hate collecting 50 rings and looking around the stage to find a checkpoint, enter it, and then loose all my rings once I exit it and being forced to repeat the process all over again. Pure misery

[Anonymous No.7936305]

>>7925610
Sonic 1 and Sonic and Knuckles are better than both of them.

[Anonymous No.7936306]

>>7925610
Not really I hardly ever play this.

[Anonymous No.7936372]

>>7935295
>constant traps
you mean like both the mantis and crab in metropolis?
>terribly slow gimmicks
you mean like the corkscrews in metropolis?

marble garden and carnival night literally just don't have either. the top gimmick in the former if anything is too fast and there's nothing slow about the barrels in the latter unless you're too stupid to figure out how to press up and down

[Anonymous No.7936378]

>>7935545
>wahhh sonic 3 sprite bad cause muh mania didn't use it
literally the stupidest nitpicking in all of sonic fandom

[Anonymous No.7936520]

>>7935263
That’s not the goof you think it is.

[Anonymous No.7936532]

>>7932308
sonic 1 sucks for many reasons, and spin dash objectively made sonic revered. if one was not packaged with the Genesis then 2 would never have been greenlit in the first place, spindash was so essential that no mainline game developed after 2 could ommit it. your bait is shit and you should consider killing you'reself

[Anonymous No.7936540]

>>7935129
>getting tubes tied
>being such a whore that you need invasive surgery instead of closing your legs
you would have aborted your children anyway, better to be a failed woman than a failed mother I suppose. have fun with your retro games when you're 80 and have no family :^)

also Mania is fucking awesome, me and the kiddo play 2 player all the time.

[Anonymous No.7936740]

NO WAY!

[Anonymous No.7936775]

>>7932108
Not everyone is a jobless zoomer neet parasite who can go on 12 hour gaming binges while being fed tendies

[Anonymous No.7937968]

>>7936540
> women aren’t women if they aren’t incubators for my seed
Lmao fuckoff retard. I’m not a sufficiently selfish cunt to make my offspring take care of me when I’m old, both my partner and I will happily pay to be properly taken care of with the savings from having to bring a kid into this world and pay for their upbringing.

Also who said anything about having tubes tied equating to sleeping around? Are you that fucking stupid? I’m in my 30’s and have slept with a grand total of ONE person my entire life (been in the same first relationship since I was 20). But you know since us women are always the ones being pressured to take care of family planning don’t go all SurprisedPikachuFace.Jpg when we do decide to take matters into our own hands. Besides, where I’m from it’s literally cheaper in the long run than other temporary forms of BC. My op paid for itself in only a few years.

Besides, I fucking look forward to the kickass LAN’s I’ll inevitably be organising with fellow oldies once the time comes. I’m born a gamer and will die a gamer. I may not have kids to play Sonic with but I have my partner and I’ll sure as hell still have many other friends old and new to blast through the past with.

[Anonymous No.7937991]

>>7937968
Nice larp fag. Made me especially chuckle with the cringy line of "I was born a gamer and die a gamer". Do you buy gamer posters and stands to put your controllers on?

[Anonymous No.7938006]

>>7937968
You don't have to defend your position so hard. Arm chair psychology here, but usually the vehement defense of your position on something, especially in situations where it's off topic or irrelevant, are an indication of regret, and your brain is working overtime to justify it to yourself.

My wife got her tubes tied, and I can nut in her all day and it's great. That's really about the only excuse you need.

If you want to say that it's also good that an irresponsible fucker like me and my wife who play video games all day won't eventually neglect a child, then that's also valid.

Just live your life.

[Anonymous No.7938013]

>>7935129
>>7937968
Why En Doubleyou Be En Doubleyou.

>>7933254
Fpbp

[Anonymous No.7938163]

>>7934020
>>7934535
>>7936775
now i unerstand why /vr/ is so damm angry and edgy all the time: their parents never alowed them to play videogames for more than 15 minutes

[Anonymous No.7938168]

>>7938163
or maybe their older brothers didn't
lol older brothers traumatized them so hard

[Anonymous No.7938239]

>>7935318
Sonic 2 has always been generally acknowledged as the best one while there's a sizable group that likes the more expansive messier shittier Sonic 3, just like Mega Man 2 vs. 3

[Anonymous No.7938461]

>>7933182
Based 3D Blast enjoyer

[Anonymous No.7938489]

Dreams Come True released a new version of Green Hill Zone (originally "Marry Me?").
Thoughts? Do modern western Sonic fans even care about based DCT?

[Anonymous No.7938496]

>>7938239
MASSES RIGHT

[Anonymous No.7938515]

>>7938489
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCa0icui-sE
Oh no you've watched a sonic video now your recommendations are gonna get bombarded with chris chan autism forever and ever.

[Anonymous No.7938529]

>>7936520
>That’s not the goof you think it is.

[Anonymous No.7938563]

>>7938239
3&k was acknowledged as the best until the ipad generation got old enough to use the internet

[Anonymous No.7938651]

>>7938239
except that mm3 is clearly inferior to mm2, barely memorable, only thing that matters is that protoman appeared and nothing else
while sonic 3 is clearly superior to sonic 2 in a lot of aspects and the muh sonic 2 > sonic 3 is nothing but a meme made by >>7938563 or >>7927568

mm2 vs mm3 is nothing like sonic 3 vs any other classic games. every sonic classic was a gem on its own, while megaman are just like fifa: same shit all the time, so there is little room to x is better than x game

[Anonymous No.7938929]

>>7933015
Oil Ocean and Metropolis are perfectly fine levels. Hill Top Zone, on the other hand can go and fuck itself. It's such a dull level and coming off of Casino Night, that shittiness is just all the more apparent.

[Anonymous No.7939786]

>has Chemical Plant, Aquatic Ruin and Casino Night, all of which are some of the most mindless 2D platformer levels ever

No. But it does have better pacing.

[Anonymous No.7940885]

>>7932850
>Not for Resale: Sonic 2

And I just want to say that auctions like Image related are disingenuous. That "Rare" cart is a "Not For Resale" Sonic 2 with a printed SEGA seal of quality sticker covering over the original 'Not For Resale" printed-on sticker. Literally being sold for $45 with Sonic 3. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 was the pack-in game for the Genesis Model 2. Genesis Model 2 sold more units than Genesis Model 1 in NA. At some point I had a desk drawer with like three different Sonic 2 "Not for Resale" carts complete with box and manuals because I kept picking up second hand Genesis Model 2's.

[Anonymous No.7940914]

>>7940885

here's my 'rare' sonic 2 cart, complete with box and manual. According to this ebayer, I can sell mine for $200cnd complete in box. For my 'not for resale' copy.

[Anonymous No.7940993]

>>7926720
Most people who worked on it were Japanese

[Anonymous No.7941002]

2 has the least amount of platforming of any genesis sonic game. The joke that you can beat every level in these games by running straight is not true in games like sonic 1 and 3, but here all the damn levels are just loops and long stretches without much action. S2&K was better just because gliding and climbing is used better, otherwise, 2 is the worst genesis title.
>having to grind for rings to be able to get more chances at a special stage
Imagine defending that. CD had a better system.

[Anonymous No.7941126]

>>7925610
Pros
>save slots
>can play as Knuckles
>Tails can finally fly
>insta shield
>elementary shields
>no more bottomless pits all over the place
>enemies placements done right
>multiple pathways that can make your playthrough harder or easier
>good special stages
>fun bonus stages (minus the electric pinball shit)
>mini bosses
>cutscenes that justify how you get to that level
>kickass music
Cons
>Marble Hill and Carnival Night are shit, the latter is literally poor man's Casino Night
>Sonic's piss off-looking idle sprite
>most boss fights are pretty unmemorable
S3&K has always been the peak of the series. S2 maybe more iconic, but nothing can beat S3&K quality-wise (excluding Mania I guess).

[Anonymous No.7941184]

>>7941002
I actually mostly agree except:
>chemical plant is infamous for its platforming
>casino night is more platforming than speed

[Anonymous No.7941627]

>>7941126
sonic's pre-3 sprite looks much more pissed if you ask me. his 3 sprite is literally smiling

[Anonymous No.7941839]

>>7932108
>Only 1 hour and a half

Honestly this is one reason I could never connect with the Sonic series. I like single sitting arcade gauntlets where you're supposed to play them in one session and see how well you do. The 1cc experience and the tension of a good run is really exciting. But Sonic series is always in this awkward middle ground for me where it's too short to treat it as an adventure game too work through but too long for a comfortable single sitting run.

[Anonymous No.7941915]

>>7941839

I would always complete the game in 2 sittings by leaving the console on. I would usually stop at Hilltop and finish the game the next day. I liked 3 for it's save feature even though it was just as short. (I didn't have & Knuckles as a kid)

I still play Sonic 2 the same way except now I use a save state and then turn it off. So many people here are elitist about the weirdest things...

[Anonymous No.7941916]

>>7941002
You don't have to grind for shit, you simply have to not get hit. There are so many checkpoints in the game that you can get Super Sonic insanely early into the game, if you play well and don't fuck up, you can get Super Sonic via entirely natural progression.

[Anonymous No.7941964]

>muh saving
Doesn't matter because emulation exists
3&gay trannies really don't have much to hold onto, do they? So desperate.

[Anonymous No.7941973]

>>7941964
3&k is better in every other conceivable way. the save system just helps

[Anonymous No.7942014]

>>7932108
I really wish I could see the individual who would write a post as dumb as this, just once.

[Anonymous No.7942126]

>>7938529

Was Michael Jackson tbe real life Captain S?

[Anonymous No.7942201]

>>7937968
KEK you sound so mad, I didnt realize my shitpost would hit that much of a nerve

[Anonymous No.7942228]

>>7938529
I wonder if MJ had all the Sega consoles when he was alive.

[Anonymous No.7942240]

You can tell how shit someone's taste is when they complain about Metropolis Zone in Sonic 2.

[Anonymous No.7942694]

>>7942228
>I wonder if MJ had all the Sega consoles when he was alive.

Judging by his ranch/ estate, I would say that he probably had every game console imaginable. Michael even had a R360 cab in his personal arcade.

[Anonymous No.7942816]

HOW DO YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT SONIC 2 ON MASTER SYSTEM?!

[Anonymous No.7943008]

No.
The Emerauld Stage are better.
The synergy between the stage are more inspired.
The graphics are better.
The sound are better.

And Sonic 2... doesn't have the Doomsay Stage :)

[Anonymous No.7943895]

>>7942694
You can't get some fresh kids unless you get all the best bait.

[Anonymous No.7944061]

>>7942240
hacks that give 2 the 3&k controls make metropolis much more enjoyable. funny, that

[Anonymous No.7945348]

>>7943008
Hold on, OP is stupid and Sonic 2 is overall a worse game than S3K, but its emerald stages were WORLDS better. How on earth can you prefer blue sphere game to the race tunnel?

[Anonymous No.7945351]

>>7945348
simple: cucks love having blue balls.

[Anonymous No.7945446]

>>7945348
>Sonic 1 Escher stages are the lamest but most fun to play since it uses the regular controls.
>Sonic 2 Halfpipe stages are coolest in concept but you cant see ahead.
>Sonic 3K blue sphere is sort of lame but its easy and the 3d is neat.