time for le Eternal CRT Thread

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Anonymous Mon Jun 10 18:50:54 2013 No.789130 [Reply] [Original]

time for le Eternal CRT Thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 18:58:54 2013 No.789143 Aha, I was looking for one of these. What CRT should I get to play on my Saturn with? Looking for one around 20 inch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 18:59:23 2013 No.789145 I heard various complaints that Punch-Out doesn't work on HDTVs because the framerate slows down to the point where it's unplayable, but I haven't tested it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:01:53 2013 No.789152 >>789145 The framerate doesn't slow down, but it's at least 3-4 frames behind the game's processing so while you're lining up to hit Mike Tyson, he's already knocking you flat and you didn't realize it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:02:53 2013 No.789156 >>789152 That only occurs on Wii VC setups where people used composite cables. Component will eliminate this problem.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:12:53 2013 No.789174 File: 146 KB, 640x360, 2012-07-30 10-13-36.681.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] can't go wrong with a trinitron if you want a larger screen or just plain can't find a pvm.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:14:23 2013 No.789180 >>789174 Are there any advantages to a Trinitron or is it just a meme/running joke on /vr/?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:15:23 2013 No.789183 >>789180 Trinitons use an aperture grille tube (wire grid) instead of a shadow mask (sheet of metal with holes punched in it). They're said to look sharper, but I was not impressed with the one AG CRT I've used (a Gateway VGA monitor)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:16:53 2013 No.789189 File: 197 KB, 640x360, 2012-08-18 10-23-19.438.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>789180 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperture_grille i can't find my extreme closeup pictures so this will have to do for now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:17:53 2013 No.789192 Realistically, if you wanted the "authentic" retro gaming experience, you'd use a typical 80s-90s consumer TV like in OP pic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:20:23 2013 No.789197 File: 1.36 MB, 1824x1368, IMG_1224.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>789189 here we go, found a good example of the trinitron i have.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:20:23 2013 No.789201 >>789197 forgot to add this was with one of those cheap improperly wired "s-video" multi cables so it's basicly just composite being shown here.

Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:20:53 2013 No.789198

>>789180
The primary advantage to using CRTs in general (aside from hipsterism) is that light gun games do not work on flat panels since they operate by scanning the electron beam as it goes down the screen.

Of course some HDTVs have crap-tier scalers, so you should do your research well. In any case, good-quality CRTs with inputs other than coax/composite are rather hard to find. This isn't however that big a deal since back in the day, people rarely used connections other than these.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:21:53 2013 No.789206 >>789197 Myself I like the look of shadow mask tubes better, but...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:22:54 2013 No.789208 File: 26 KB, 294x294, 333.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>789198 >(aside from hipsterism)

Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:24:53 2013 No.789212

>>789198
Using a CRT isn't hipster in of itself since those are what the game would originally have been played on. What _does_ devolve into hipsterism is when you use Sony Wegas from the mid-2000s or studio monitors as retro games were designed for, as I said, typical 80s-90s consumer TVs with coax/composite.

Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:25:53 2013 No.789214
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>>789206
i also found the amdek color series of computer monitors (commonly used with apple II) make pretty good nes crts and only require a simple adaptor for to output the sound (a phono to headphone jack male or something)

it's only marginally higher resolution than what the nes outputs natively so it really minimizes the overscan mario bros 3 blatantly likes to show.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:26:54 2013 No.789217 >>789198 I wonder why one cannot simply buy a 4:3 LCD. They used to exist in the early 2000s.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:27:54 2013 No.789221 >>789214 Amdeks were commonly used in the 80s by game devs to test their stuff with. Probably not in the 90s anymore though as consumer TVs by then matched or exceeded their performance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:30:24 2013 No.789227 File: 156 KB, 640x360, 2012-07-06 22-44-31.120.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>789214 it looks alright on the snes as well but my trinitron outperforms it here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:31:23 2013 No.789232 >>789227 Obviously because the SNES can use S-video which the Amdek doesn't support

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:32:53 2013 No.789236 >>789227 almost forgot, i made a video with a gamecube hooked up to it a few years back. nothing great but it shows it in action. http://youtu.be/bStEs-JhHog

Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:42:53 2013 No.789254

>using the term "hipster"

“Hipster” is a term co-opted for use as a meaningless pejorative in order to vaguely call someone else’s authenticity into question and, by extension, claim authenticity for yourself.

It serves no conversational function and imparts no information, save for indicating the opinions and preferences of the speaker.

Meanwhile, a market myth has sprung up around the term, as well as a cultural bogeyman consisting of elusive white 20-somethings who wear certain clothes (but no one will agree on what), listen to certain music (no one can agree on this either), and act a certain way (you’ve probably sensed the pattern on your own).

You can’t define what “that kind of behavior or fashion or lifestyle” actually is, nor will you ever be able to. That’s because you don’t use “hipster” to describe an actual group of people, but to describe a fictional stereotype that is an outlet for literally anything that annoys you.

The twist, of course, is that if it weren’t for your own insecurities, nothing that a “hipster” could do or wear would ever affect you emotionally. But you are insecure about your own authenticity - “Do I wear what I wear because I want to? Do I listen to my music because I truly like it? I’m certainly not like those filthy hipsters!” - so you project those feelings.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:43:53 2013 No.789256 >>789227 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GBAJIAuUHQ This game was the consummate expression of all that's disliked about the early 90s period

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:47:24 2013 No.789270 >>789130 Already have a CRT thread. >>777721

Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:48:54 2013 No.789280

The good thing about old TVs is that you can pick one up at a Goodwill for $5. I have a TV which is about three to four years old. The light gun still works on it, but only if I'm four feet away from the TV or less. I tried the game on a junk TV my sister got. It worked perfectly from anywhere in the room.

I hadn't heard about Punch Out having problems though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 19:55:54 2013 No.789308 >>789254 stop trying, you hipster

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:02:23 2013 No.789339 I have located the one US television with an RGB SCART jack in Pottstown, Pa. Do any Phillyfags want it? Only $25

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:03:24 2013 No.789342 >>789308 /v/ please

Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:03:53 2013 No.789343

>>789198
You're the same guy from the last thread, aren't you? Seriously, fuck off, we've already explained how the benefits of CRTs go beyond "hipster" bullshit and Duck Hunt.

>>789212
>What _does_ devolve into hipsterism is when you use Sony Wegas from the mid-2000s or studio monitors
I really hesitate to call anyone a "hipster" just because they choose to play videogames a certain way, but if anything I'd think that playing on a crappy consumer TV for the "authentic" "retro" experience would be more "hipster" than using monitors and cables that use offer the best visuals possible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:06:53 2013 No.789363 >le Go fuck yourself.

Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:07:23 2013 No.789369

>>789145
>>789280
>I hadn't heard about Punch Out having problems though.

The problem isn't just with Punch-Out, it's an issue that many modern LCD TVs have significant input lag. What you're seeing on the screen could have been rendered by the console up to 70 ms ago or so (about 4 frames @ 60 fps), which may not sound like much but is significant enough to throw you right off on fighting or rhythm games.

Unfortunately it's very hard to find out what modern TV has low input lag unless someone else out there has tested it. Manufacturers never state input lag in their specifications.

LCD computer displays are not free from input lag either. Emulators can have serious input lag issues of their own too.

Analogue CRT TVs have no input lag at all

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:18:53 2013 No.789403 I worked at Best Buy and nobody misses CRTs or ever wants them back Have you tried lugging a 32" set up a flight of stairs? It sucks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:23:53 2013 No.789425 ITT: People relying on info about HDTVs from 2006

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:25:23 2013 No.789428 Perhaps we should have a massive riot outside Sony's HQ with Molotov cocktails and demand the return of the Trinitron

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:26:24 2013 No.789434 >>789403 FUCK OFF MARKETER You spout the same shit over and over again. There are only a small handful of people who browse here. We've all heard your spiel now. Go market your upscalers some place else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:27:53 2013 No.789440 >>789403 My 50lb CRT is easily carried, and it looks and performs better than any LCD could ever hope to. Oh, I paid $30 for it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:31:24 2013 No.789450 >>789403 why you carrying it, shithead? play videogames on it. fuckin fucktard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:34:23 2013 No.789457 >>789434 I never marketed any upscalers

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:34:53 2013 No.789460 >>789450 >>789440 >>789434 >>>/v/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:35:53 2013 No.789465 THE ETERNAL QUESTION THAT HIPSTERS CANNOT ANSWER If your 300 pound X-ray cannons are so great, why can't I buy a new one?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:36:23 2013 No.789468 >>789180 i miss my wega. especially since i recently did an Svideo mod on my saturn

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:37:23 2013 No.789473 >>789457 Well someone did

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:37:24 2013 No.789475 >>789473 Whoever was marketing scalers wasn't me, it was someone else

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:39:24 2013 No.789479 >>789465 The same reason I can't buy a good car brand new, a good radio brand new, a good video game brand new, etc. The world is shit and things were made better back in the day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:40:24 2013 No.789482 >>789221 >Probably not in the 90s anymore cause it aint the 90s anymore?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:40:53 2013 No.789483 File: 13 KB, 320x313, Abe_simpson.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>789479

Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:40:53 2013 No.789484

>>789465
CRT went the way of the dinosaur for several reasons, off the top of my head... cost to manufacture, shelf space at retail stores (pc game big boxes died for the same reason), weight, and increasing development cost to improve the picture quality and resolution.

in comparison lcd/led/ect was just plain better for everyone except the end user who plays games (almost no downsides if you use your tv for anything else)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:42:23 2013 No.789496 >>789254 nicely done

Anonymous Mon Jun 10 20:45:53 2013 No.789510

>>789465

CRTs died for manufacturing reasons, not quality reasons. Manufacturers switched to LCDs because they were easier and cheaper to build, not because they provided a better picture quality. Unfortunately, consumers value things like space and weight over the things that actually matter, like response time, contrast, etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 21:02:53 2013 No.789557 I just missed out on a PVM by $1. Fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 21:07:23 2013 No.789564 >>789465 >300 pound X-ray cannons I laughed way harder than I should have. Still keeping my Trinitron though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 21:13:23 2013 No.789578 >>789557 Keep trying CRTbro!!! You will find one when you aren't looking. What kind was it?

Anonymous Mon Jun 10 21:16:23 2013 No.789583
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13 inches. It sits on the righthand upper portion of my desk. Very convenient. Got it for a god damn dollar.

Could've gotten a bigass Trinitron for a dollar as well, but I passed because that thing was so huge I would've had no place to put it. Also the picture sort of wobbled. Any idea what that's about?

Anonymous Mon Jun 10 21:23:23 2013 No.789602
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>>789254
you think people actually like iron and wine? I'm calling fucking bullshit right there. Just because you don't understand the many facets of hipsterdom doesn't mean they don't exist.

Anonymous Mon Jun 10 21:23:53 2013 No.789603

So I splurged and spent $40 on a Commodore monitor another anon was touting about being so fantastic in a previous thread. Having grown up on CRTs and after hearing lots of happy nostalgia stories, I couldn't wait for it to arrive.

..and now I'm wondering what all the fuss was about. I've been using an LCD for the past five years and 16:9 correction to 4:3 for my retro consoles, and after using them on the monitor, I'm pretty disappointed. I heard countless arguments about how retro games were designed for displays of the time, yet I can't see how they look any better on a CRT than an LED when it's properly scaled/no emulation filters/has no perceptable input lag.

Now I'm short $40 plus shipping and feeling pretty sour.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 21:24:54 2013 No.789605 File: 587 KB, 1280x960, DSC00644.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Man, getting any kind of decent picture with these things is tough.

Anonymous Mon Jun 10 21:32:53 2013 No.789628

>>789578
PVM-20N6U

Started at 99 cents with $20 shipping, someone bid a few hours before the auction ended and i entered a bid of $10 with 10 seconds to go, but the other persons max bid was $10 as well.

I scrambled to bid $11 but didnt make it in time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 21:38:53 2013 No.789649 >>789602 I like Iron and Wine...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 21:41:23 2013 No.789651 >>789254 this copypasta has always been retarded everyone has seen hipsters and knows they exist, just because some people use the term lazily or the boundaries are hard to pin down doesn't mean there aren't any fucking hipsters

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 21:42:24 2013 No.789652 >>789605 If you have a DSLR camera, set the shutter speed to match the framerate of the TV.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 21:49:23 2013 No.789660 >be metabrowsing craigslist >find incredibly rare model of US CRT with SCART port for $25 in Eastern Pa just slightly too far for me to go buy it >decide to make /vr/ crt thread aware of it >have post deleted by janitors why?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 21:51:53 2013 No.789663 >>789628 You should never bid amounts like $10, always $10.05 or something like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 21:56:23 2013 No.789669 >>789649 .thats because you're a fagget with feels. I havent met a normal level headed person thats into that bullshit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 21:57:53 2013 No.789673 take your le bullshit back to reddit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 21:58:53 2013 No.789675 >>789603 You can use the Zapper on even the shittiest of CRTs, but it will never work on any LCD ever

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:01:53 2013 No.789685 >>789603 >has no perceptable input lag dis guy Moron. Of course you can't "notice" input lag because your brain uncosciously adjusts itself for this. Result, you get floored by Mike Tyson and can't react at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:03:54 2013 No.789689 >using "le" on 4chan Kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:06:24 2013 No.789701 CRTs died because nobody wants giant cancer causing displays filled with lead and high voltage that require tons of adjusting to get a decent picture.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:19:23 2013 No.789734 >>789701 Oh and by the way buy a scaler, you arent a true retro gamer unless you have one. SCANLINES

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:23:53 2013 No.789740 >>789734 The scanline thing is pretty much bull because they were barely visible on most 80s/90s consumer TVs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:24:23 2013 No.789742 >>789701 Idiot, you probably already have cancer and you don't even know it. You can get it from ANYTHING, even goddamn the cosmic radiation ripping through your DNA right this second.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:27:24 2013 No.789749 File: 1.57 MB, 2560x1920, Billy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>789740 That's the difference between a good crt and most 80s/90s consumer tvs

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:28:24 2013 No.789753 >>789701 It was widescreen. Flat panels are necessary to make viable WS displays that don't weigh like a ton of cinder blocks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:29:23 2013 No.789756 >>789749 >implying most 80s/90s TVs were good Obviously you've never seen one running

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:29:53 2013 No.789758 >>789749 See images like this are stupid. NOBODY fucking sat that close to the TV unless you were cheating at Duck Hunt so that's not what we're talking about

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:30:23 2013 No.789762 >>789749 oh fuck dude those stripes on billys vest I came buckets

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:30:23 2013 No.789763 >>789756 >inferring exactly the opposite of what I was implying. >>789758 Image enlarged to show detail

Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:31:23 2013 No.789764

>>789749
Scanlines should never have been considered a pro in the argument of which type of display to use for older systems. Ever. Unless, you can enlighten me and tell me how they are a good thing to have. Other than the fact that they appear on high end CRTs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:31:53 2013 No.789765 >>789758 I had a 27" RCA set, which was a pretty good. higher-end model. While it had visible lines, they were not always distinct and generally depending on the colors being displayed. It never looked like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:31:53 2013 No.789768 File: 586 KB, 1280x960, DSC00638.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] No lifebars.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:31:53 2013 No.789769 >>789756 actually, I think he's saying that the better the TV the more horribly visable scanlines it had... which is also stupid

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:32:23 2013 No.789772 >>789749 The only thing people cared about back then was screen size. You're applying 2012 levels of nerdiness to NES games

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:32:23 2013 No.789773 >>789764 >Other than the fact that they appear on high end CRTs ...which were not what most games back in the day got played on

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:32:53 2013 No.789774 >>789764 Visible Scanlines*

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:34:23 2013 No.789779 Actually one of the advantages touted with CRT PC monitors is that they produced a totally smooth, seamless display at higher resolutions unlike LCDs where everything has a fine grid pattern.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:34:23 2013 No.789780 File: 1.49 MB, 2560x1920, Arthur.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>789762 I'm still working on getting the brightness set right. Different games use different tricks. Like this black background is murder.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:36:23 2013 No.789786 File: 59 KB, 597x640, samsungtvvcrcombo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>789773 Try something like this

Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:37:54 2013 No.789789
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>>789772
That's exactly what I'm doing. Thank you!

>>789764
>>789769
Scanlines absolutely improve the distinction of 2D images and if you think otherwise you should probably do a side by side comparison and see for yourself.

Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:40:12 2013 No.789795
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>>789786
That more like it.
NO NO NO!
You're NES needs a 24" Sony Trinitron blah blah blah
No, idiot, hook it up to an old Tv your neighbor is happy to get rid of for free. The true retro experience, the way people back then actually had it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:40:29 2013 No.789794 >>789780 1st off, that looks terrible. 2nd, why the fuck did you jump over that doll.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:41:23 2013 No.789796 >>789789 The lack of visible lines on CRT PC monitors sure elicits few complaints from me

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:42:23 2013 No.789803 >>789789 Show me a side by side as taken several feet away from the screen, not more of these absurd zoomed in bullshit photos. Who the fuck played games with their noses touching the screen?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:42:53 2013 No.789805 >>789795 You won't get any advantage out of using a PVM or whatever the hipsters are into since the NES doesn't support anything more than composite anyway. For SNES and up of course you will want a TV with S-video.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:43:23 2013 No.789807 >>789789 >improve the distinction what the hell does this even mean?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:44:23 2013 No.789809 >>789805 The RCA set I had was fine for almost all retro games except 6th gen because no component inputs

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:45:23 2013 No.789815 File: 371 KB, 512x448, so authentic.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Emulators are too crisp, gotta muddy up those graphics >Regular SDTVs are too muddy, gotta get a crisp high-end security monitor for those graphics

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:46:23 2013 No.789817 >>789796 Like high end SD crts they're there (on good crt monitors) and contribute to the definition of the image you just need to get even closer to see them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:47:23 2013 No.789818 >>789809 I didn't get a new set until I literally could not read the text anymore. Dead Rising just had blurry strings of supposed-to-be text all over the place so I finally gave in

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:49:23 2013 No.789823 >>789809 Fine is fine but we're looking for ideal Though I do love Thompson made RCA crts

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:51:53 2013 No.789829 D-do you guys.. Even play video games?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:54:23 2013 No.789835 >>789829 Hell no. All we do is start up Yoshi's Island so we can use our tablets to take pictures a cm away from the TV screen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:54:23 2013 No.789837 >>789823 >Fine is fine but we're looking for hipster Fixed

Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:54:53 2013 No.789836
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>>789815
Yeah you like to post that image but I still don't understand the point you're trying to make. Are you saying Game Gears had CRTs in them or...?

>>789803
Unless I post high resolution pics, the detail will be lost simply by the digital conversion. You can look at them from however far away from your screen you want.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 22:55:23 2013 No.789841 >ctrl+f >hipster >23 results why.jpg

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 23:04:23 2013 No.789857 >>789836 I am now imagining an even more monstrous game gear with a CD drive bolted to the back

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 23:04:23 2013 No.789858 >>789841 'cause it's easy to call people names. It's a lot better to be called something that girls are into than something that they're not though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 23:05:53 2013 No.789861 >>789805 Actually PVMs tend to have superior comb filters, so they're the best option for composite video sources too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 23:07:54 2013 No.789864 >>789861 This is actually not true at all because comb filters are designed for broadcast NTSC, not the goofy signal used by the NES/SNES. Thus they're totally useless in removing dot crawl from NES graphics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 23:26:53 2013 No.789905 >>789669 2deep4u

Anonymous Mon Jun 10 23:34:53 2013 No.789914
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>>789197
Peep game, CRTfags. If you want to make any kind of argument defending CRT picture quality, save this picture.

You people disgust me but god dammit that;s beautiful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 23:53:23 2013 No.789980 I highly dispute that scanlines improve picture quality. For example, if I'm looking at photos on my computer, do you think I want them all carved up by lines? Hell no, it should be as smooth as possible,

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 10 23:55:23 2013 No.789989 >>789980 Don't you understand? The more scanlines, the more quality it is. And don't get me started on how many more filters you need to add to get the perfect contrast of pixels.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 00:01:24 2013 No.790006 >>789980 Turn in your cheesey Cosby sweater and your untied converse shoes. You just dropped a hipster rank

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 00:16:24 2013 No.790058 >>789980 If you want them to appear as smooth as possible then you want scanlines. Scanlines are anti-aliasing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 00:17:54 2013 No.790060 File: 414 KB, 616x1024, what-trolls-want-you-to-believe.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>790058

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 00:18:24 2013 No.790062 >>789837 Wouldnt it be more hipster to want to be as authenticly retro as possible?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 00:34:24 2013 No.790119 >>790060 I'm not trolling you l2optics

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 00:34:55 2013 No.790117 >Let's intentionally make our games look like the horrible technology of the day! This is insane to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 01:04:55 2013 No.790189 >>789841 Seriously, I came to /vr/ to get away from these ignorant fucks who think that playing old games on a decent monitor makes you a "hipster" or whatever other epithet they want to use.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 01:14:26 2013 No.790210 >>789465 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/632862-REG/Ikegami_HTM1917RRM_HTM_1917_RRM_19_HDTV_SDTV.html

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 01:14:26 2013 No.790212 Someone should ask Shiggy what he would play retro vidya on.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 01:16:25 2013 No.790217 >>790117 Since when does a CRT = horrible technology? What the fuck?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 01:17:56 2013 No.790223 >>790217 Don't mind him, he's never owned a Sony. A BVM/PVM is pretty much the best monitor money can buy for 525- and 625-line video.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 01:18:25 2013 No.790224 >>790189 It's 4chan you can't get away completely. Just ignore em.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 01:19:55 2013 No.790230 >>790223 Even other brand CRT TV/Monitors weren't that bad unless you got a really really cheap Chinese off-brand. I would still use my HD-CRT for HD content if it weren't so damn huge. That thing had such great quality.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 01:24:55 2013 No.790246 >>789483 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence Get educated

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 01:25:55 2013 No.790249 >>790223 Please. We're not talking a B&W to Color difference here.The only time the scanlines matter is when you're shoving your face closer to the screen than anyone ever did.

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 01:28:56 2013 No.790259

>>790249
It's got nothing to do with whether you can make out the gaps in the raster. It's about using the correct display device for the signal. Analog (or, digital with many different possible pixel widths) 525-line video is designed for a CRT. No buffering, no scaling, no filtering, no deinterlacing (when applicable).

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 01:32:55 2013 No.790263 >>790249 Aperture Grille technology is pretty much universally agreed upon to be the best CRT display tech, especially when it comes to sharpness. see: nearly every CRT computer monitor

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Tue Jun 11 01:35:55 2013 No.790274 File: 1.07 MB, 3280x2460, 100_2712.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>790263 Most PC CRTs use dot triad or other similar shadow masks, not aperture grille.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 01:36:55 2013 No.790276 http://www.amazon.com/Composite-HDMI-Converter-Scaler-720p/dp/B00284T0QG A modern solution for playing older games

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 01:37:25 2013 No.790279 >>790274 There were a number of AG monitors in the late 90s-2000s; these will usually be indicated as such on the front. Personally I prefer shadow masks, but that's just me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 01:39:26 2013 No.790283 CRTs are fine. Nothing wrong with that, but there's no need to be such an extreme edgy hipster that you need professional studio monitors (which also don't usually come in sizes above 17")

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Tue Jun 11 01:40:55 2013 No.790284 File: 1.34 MB, 3280x2460, 100_3283.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>790279 Oh, I know; I was just commenting on the >nearly every bit. Once Sony's patent on the grille ran out, several people jumped on that shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 01:42:26 2013 No.790287 I had a Gateway AG monitor and it was not that great. The convergence was awful and grays had a red tint that apparently was un-correctable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 01:42:55 2013 No.790291 >>790279 DIE IN A FIRE, MARKETER

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 01:43:55 2013 No.790295 >>790284 This is obviously taken on an emulator with a RGB monitor because there's no dot crawl

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Tue Jun 11 01:45:55 2013 No.790297 File: 1.29 MB, 3280x2460, 100_3264.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>790295 Component from the Wii, on a 20M2MDU, but yes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 02:29:25 2013 No.790373 >>790283 >edgy hipster please don't use words you don't know the meanings to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 02:57:25 2013 No.790434 File: 932 KB, 1536x2048, Photo0006.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] SNES with composite cable on a really old Sony 29''.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 02:58:55 2013 No.790441 File: 449 KB, 1536x2048, Photo0007.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>790434

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 03:00:25 2013 No.790446 File: 10 KB, 480x360, hqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>790434 SCANLOINS

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 03:05:55 2013 No.790464 >>790446 >tfw you will never own a KV-21X5U Every time i watch his videos i get jelly. I would actually prefer that to a PVM.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 03:36:56 2013 No.790526 is this a good Sony CRT? its free and not very far away http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-electronics-Sony-Wega-40-TV-CRT-TV-W0QQAdIdZ489371892

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 03:43:26 2013 No.790546 File: 14 KB, 300x212, 1353894381532.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>790526 >40" as long as it's not an HD model, yes, go for it immediately if you have the space

KyaDash !kDashing02 Tue Jun 11 03:48:26 2013 No.790554

>>790526
>>790546
>40in
In all likelihood, it is an HD model; In which case it wouldn't be very good for anything older than the dreamcast.

I could be wrong, but I believe only the XBR series was made that large, in which case I would still recommend grabbing it for 6th gen consoles+Wii.

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 03:55:56 2013 No.790562

>>790546
>>790554
I don't reallt care if I get an HD model or not, because I have a ps2 component cable, and a gamecube and XBOX that I can get component cables for.

But right now im tired of having to use my genesis, snes, ps1, and n64 on a 20" lcd it sucks

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 03:59:56 2013 No.790568 >>790562 Well if you've got a bunch of 6th gen stuff it's great for that, but 240p stuff is gonna look kinda shitty compared to the non-hd trinitrons

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 04:03:26 2013 No.790574 >>790568 thats what I figured, but atleast it would be nice playing splitscreen or 2 player games with my friends on a nice 40" sony rather then a tiny LCD.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 04:05:56 2013 No.790579 >>790568 my other choice is going with a 60" or so rear projection, but from what Ive seen they are just mediocre

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 06:01:56 2013 No.790680 >>789795 I am not NES.

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Tue Jun 11 06:09:26 2013 No.790690 >>789861 >PVMs tend to have superior comb filters, I don't know about all that now. It's a bit subjective, but my GX TV seems to deal with composite video better than my PVM does.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 06:17:26 2013 No.790697 File: 113 KB, 640x480, troopers.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] No LCD TV can play this game properly.

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 06:55:56 2013 No.790751
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>Get a CRT for free
>see this

Into the trash it goes.

I tried adjusting it in the service mode but i couldnt get rid of the bendiness... and no way in hell am i touching the magnets.

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 07:40:56 2013 No.790789
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>mfw the misuse of the word "hipster" in this thread

Go back to /v/, fagets.

I'm using Mark dw-603 VR, which I bought for 10 euros from a flea market. It's a pretty nice CRT, but I can't find any info about it. It kinda looks like an old security monitor, it even came with glass plate which you can place over the screen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 07:46:56 2013 No.790796 File: 222 KB, 800x600, CRT line 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i think scarthunter is my new favourite website.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 07:48:56 2013 No.790803 >>790789 >implying that there is a right time to use the word hipster you are just as bad

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 07:51:56 2013 No.790809 File: 34 KB, 600x397, HipsterChick1958.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>790803 >implying

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 07:53:56 2013 No.790813 >>790809 but that use of the word died quite a while ago sadly

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 08:24:27 2013 No.790846

>>790803
That's what I'm saying. People have no clue what it means, but they still keep using it.
>you like something I don't like? what a hipster!
>you like something I like? you're not allowed to like it, hipster!
>you like something, but I don't understand it because I haven't done any research why people like that something? what a hipster!
etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 09:13:27 2013 No.790916 >>789675 You could just emulate lightgun games on your Wii.

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 09:19:57 2013 No.790923
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>>789740
This

Seriously, although playing games on a CRT looks better, it's only marginally better and you probably won't notice much of a quality difference if its not high end. My CRT is a small cheap JVC television so I'm thinking of just instead hooking my consoles up to a monitor with a scanline generator and see how that goes. Should look something like pic related.

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 09:26:27 2013 No.790931

>>790117
The problem is that these games used super low resolutions, so if you blow them up on a monitor, they look absolutely horrible

A CRT has a sort of antialiasing going on that makes the pixels look blurry, and yet somehow still defined, which is a much more pleasant picture to look at. Also scanlines are not supposed to be readily visible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 09:33:27 2013 No.790938 >>790751 >slightly adjust convergence magnet >place magnetic strips in corners at the back of tube where bends are. there, you now have a perfectly functioning CRT.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 09:38:27 2013 No.790945 >Live in New York City >Live in an apartment next to above ground train >Rush hour train every 30 minutes >The train's massive metal body fucks with the CRT image >Only other thing I have is a HDTV with a shitty scaler The pain of living.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 09:40:27 2013 No.790947 File: 190 KB, 800x600, screens (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Free LG from a workmate. Composite only, Ausfag detected. Still reasonably pleased with the results.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 09:46:57 2013 No.790959 >>790947 You should 60hz mod whatever console that is, then you want have those black bars and games will run at their proper speed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 09:51:27 2013 No.790964 >>790959 I knew someone would point it out. It will happen. Trust me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 10:07:57 2013 No.790985 >>789479 >Having this much edge How was your last day of elementary, Junior?

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 10:11:57 2013 No.790990

>>789198
CRT flicker isn't just for lightgun games. CRT-style flicker is the *only* way to get sharp looking motion with acceptable latency from fixed framerate games. Either with a real CRT or with black frame insertion or scanning backlight.

See http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/windows/hardware/gg463407.aspx and http://www.blurbusters.com/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 10:14:58 2013 No.790992 >>789479 Planned obsolescence may be a real thing, but so is survivorship bias, stop exaggerating.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 10:19:57 2013 No.790996 >>790945 It's probably the train's enormous electric motor assuming it's a third-rail type. Try shielding.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 15:15:58 2013 No.791556 File: 105 KB, 462x313, scanlines3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] SCAYNLOINS

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 15:17:59 2013 No.791558 File: 164 KB, 500x269, bricktop.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Do you know what the definition of scanlines is? A righteous infliction of anti-aliasing manifested by an appropriate agent...in this case a horrible cunt. Me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 15:39:28 2013 No.791587 >install 4chan x >filter comment >/hipster/i;boards:vr >no longer have to read any whiny posts

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 15:45:59 2013 No.791601

>>789669
Define normal level headed person. I haven't met a person who likes Niki Minaj or Barry Manilow before, but I'm sure they exist. All you're doing is othering people who make your enjoyment seem less valuable unless you strive to feel better than how you imagine them to feel. People like you, who need a scapegoat to tie all their bullshit to, are just insecure in their own sense of self.

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 15:50:58 2013 No.791607

>>789651
But the fact that the boundaries are ultimately meaningless destroys all impact of the epithet. Overuse and generalization just turn the word into a catch-all. I'd agree with you that "everyone has seen hipsters and knows they exist" if it were 2009 or 2010. Over the past 3 to 4 years that direct pinpointing of "hipsters" has disappeared and turned the phrase into a means to express disdain for people the user of the word dislikes. What we should be saying about people who seem to embrace retro gaming to appear "cool" or "trendy" is that they are disingenuous and fake, not that they are "hipsters."

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 16:35:58 2013 No.791696 >>791558 You, Sir, need a picture of a PVM showing a laserdisc of Snatch in RGB mode. Can you get Snatch on laserdisc?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 16:38:59 2013 No.791708 >>791696 No. You can't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 16:49:58 2013 No.791734 File: 2.74 MB, 3264x2448, 20130611_224104.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] My Trinitron. I played a lot of games on emu, and I must say I don't regret getting the tv, it does look a lot better.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 16:50:28 2013 No.791735 File: 1.17 MB, 3113x1208, 20130611_224453.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>791734

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 16:58:58 2013 No.791756 >>790959 Nah it's supposed to have black bars, it makes it more cinematic.

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 17:01:29 2013 No.791764
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>>791734
>>791735
This is basically the proper choice for the standard Ma/vr/ick. Yes, I personally have a PVM but I'm kind of an acquisition nerd and I scared one up but that's not really what I would recommend for normal /vr/ dudes.

By far the easiest, cheapest, best route to take (in the US) is
>Find name brand TV in the size you want with component inputs ($1-$20)
>Buy component cables for your Wii ($5-$15)
>Emulate or use Virtual console to play your games in their native resolution
>Profit

Later if you want to get even more authentic you can get into playing original hardware over RGB SCART with a SCART to YPbPr transcoder like pic related ($45-$60)

This is the path to quickest, best gratification.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 17:08:59 2013 No.791781 >>790562 Lol have fun finding an affordable GameCube component cable.

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 17:10:59 2013 No.791793
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>>791764
We're not European so wouldn't we have more fun with a Radeon HD 4000 series, CRT_EmuDriver custom drivers, and a VGA to component transcoder? Then R-Type would play at 55 frames per second on the TV with those arcade ROMs, at the arcade resolution.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 17:12:59 2013 No.791797 >>791781 I got mine on ebay for $7

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 17:14:30 2013 No.791804 >>791793 That's also acceptable but not as simple as using the Wii. That shit is easy as fuck.

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 17:17:29 2013 No.791812

>>791804
Custom resolutions on the Wii are a hack, Wii only outputs in 720x480, GX scaler does tricks, everything is filtered by minimum of Point Filtering. No custom refresh rates. Games don't run at native speed, not even your Nintendo consoles. 9% of a frame per second too slow.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 17:18:29 2013 No.791813 >>791764 THIS! 27in Trinitron Plus this for my Genesis through RGB Modded N64. Also I've been thinking about getting the SLG in a Box for my PS3 & OG Xbox. Has any one used it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 17:18:59 2013 No.791814 >>791812 That's right boys, a Trinitron can handle anything between 55 to 61 Hz and still not freak out and think it's getting PAL. Why do Wii emulator programmers refuse to do this and at best sync to the NTSC refresh rate?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 17:20:00 2013 No.791819 >>791797 Doubtful...they go for an arm and a leg. Have seen em go for upwards of 120. Unless you BINed it and seller didnt know what they had.

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 17:21:29 2013 No.791820

>>791764
I'm from Belgium. 50hz (which never bothered me, didn't even know there was another kind until a few weeks ago), but that picture is from a snes with scart.
Is it possible to run emulators on a cube? Already got one of those, and my snes scart cable should also fit on it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 17:26:59 2013 No.791838 >>791819 Or he bought it back when it first was around before they became really rare. Either way he's insinuating that it was cheap today which is in no way possible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 17:42:00 2013 No.791884 >>791838 Is there a quality difference between the 2 output connectors on a cube?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 17:45:29 2013 No.791890 >>791884 Lol Yes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 17:48:59 2013 No.791896 >>791884 A quick google search would enlighten you better then listening to someone in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 18:09:00 2013 No.791962 >>791890 >>791896 I just googled, is there that much quality difference between analog rgb over scart (I have a pal cube), and digital, that it's worth spending >$100 on a digital cable? At the moment I'm using a cable like pic related.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 18:12:30 2013 No.791972 >>791962 There is no difference in quality but i'm not sure if SCART can do 480p.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 18:21:30 2013 No.791998 >>791962 Just use a wii with component if you care that much.

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 18:26:59 2013 No.792010
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>>791962
Forgot the pic.

>>791972
>>791998
Cheers.
And I don't care that much, I was just curious. I grew up playing snes with the antenna cable, so anything I use now is a lot better quality anyway. I can't be arsed spending several hundreds on getting the best possible quality out of an old console. I just want to play my games in good quality, and this is more than good enough:
>>791734
>>791735

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 18:32:00 2013 No.792029 >>791998 Yeah seriously the Wii is a Gamecube internally and most take Gamecube controllers. Why the fuck would anyone pay more for a Gamecube component cable than they could buy a Wii AND a component cable for?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 18:34:29 2013 No.792034 File: 56 KB, 800x483, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>792010 I didn't realize they had even added scary to the pal GCs. I really wanna get one of those DVD capable GCs. The Panasonic Q.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 18:37:59 2013 No.792038 >>792034 Can you use regular controllers with that thing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 18:44:59 2013 No.792070 >>792038 I assume. According to wiki they released a special version of the gameboy player for it because the bottom of the system was different. But as far as I know that's the only hardware that doesn't work with it.

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 19:04:59 2013 No.792124
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>>792034
You mean this one? :3
Anyways; guess I'll stick to my analog cable for gamecube, and I'll google around to see if it's a viable emulating platform. Would be a lot cheaper then getting those flashcards, and I like the GC controllers the best.

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 19:22:29 2013 No.792174
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>>790210
I have an Ikegami TM20-80R (cost like $6k as late as 2010), and can attest to the high build quality of these units. The high end Ikegamis like mine even have a slide out panel with a jog wheel. The frame around the CRT is a solid metal casting, and this
thing is built to near milspec standards.

A review of the beast:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_4dugnqN1Q

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 19:38:29 2013 No.792234
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>>790283
>there's no need to be such an extreme edgy hipster that you need professional studio monitors (which also don't usually come in sizes above 17")

The Mitsubishi AM-4201R Megaview 42 says hi. Yes, this is a 42 inch professional CRT monitor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 19:48:59 2013 No.792292 File: 1.17 MB, 1536x2048, 20130607_214132.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>791781 $5. >In 2002

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 20:00:29 2013 No.792345 Im looking for a crt to play a genesis on. Can someone point me in the right direction?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 20:23:59 2013 No.792427 File: 112 KB, 1280x960, tgr6BfWruBsQN2qCFyIE0uOX9idz9f1BgcC-ETR1LCU.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Panasonic master race here

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 20:28:29 2013 No.792441 >>792234 40"+ Mitsubishi CRTs are quite heavy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 20:30:59 2013 No.792449 >>792234 I used to have a 40" Mitsubishi CRT. It looked just like that. If it had super heady inputs and I never realized it I'm going to shit in my own ass.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 21:04:29 2013 No.792567 Would a vga to scart cable be all I need to play emulators from my PC on my CRT?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 21:17:59 2013 No.792617 >>790554 Mentioned Dreamcast, entire thread will be deleted, mass report.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 21:22:30 2013 No.792639 File: 740 KB, 1300x1300, IMG_2389[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 21:34:59 2013 No.792668

>>792567
You'll need for the video card to sync at a frequency the CRT can display. There are special video cards that do it natively and as I understand it there are special drivers for Nvidea cards that will do it too (once the drivers are loaded anyway, if your monitor doesn't pop before then)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 21:44:59 2013 No.792703 >>789465 Because the Illuminati figured that every family having what is essentially a particle accelerator at their homes was dangerous for their schemes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 21:45:59 2013 No.792712 >>792668 Cool thanks

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 22:33:59 2013 No.792852

>>792449
>I used to have a 40" Mitsubishi CRT. It looked just like that. If it had super heady inputs and I never realized it I'm going to shit in my own ass.

Yeah, the 40 inch pro Mitsubishis look similar to their line of CRT TVs. The giveaway on the AM-4201R above is the slew of inputs on the back (loads of BNC connectors, etc.).

The Megaview 42 also had a list price of $13000.

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 22:41:59 2013 No.792863
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>>789254
Hipster at the core is counter culture. What ever is mainstream they avoid, whatever is obscure, they embrace.
This is why it's hard to agree on what it is exactly because it changes due to culture desires.

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 22:52:59 2013 No.792887

>>791814
Because not syncing at 60hz usually causes flicker, stuttering and possibly tearing and not everyone has a trinton.

Anyways, the guy is wrong. Retroarch for example has a Wonderswan emulator that can go up to the original 70hz at the cost of screen tearing
>>791820
Get yourself an SD media launcher, that is currently the easiest way to launch GC homebrew.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 22:56:29 2013 No.792893 >>792887 The screen doesn't tear if your video card is exporting a true 60.09 Hz vertical sync signal that is matched by the emulator's output, sirrah. Same for a 55 Hz or a 59.whatever for SF2.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 22:58:29 2013 No.792897 >>792893 I think we're talking about RetroArch Wii here.

Anonymous Tue Jun 11 23:08:29 2013 No.792918

>>792897
So then you're talking about 60.0000000000 Hz signals, 720x480 resolutions with filtering, and GX scaler tricks to fool you into thinking you're getting native resolutions, and syncing emulator speed to the (slower) TV.

And no ability to emulate any arcade games beyond FBA of a certain romsize.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 23:15:29 2013 No.792932 >>789254 worth mentioning the term hipster has been thrown around the past 100 years so yeah. redundant much? and before then im sure unpopular people had a term to slander close knit cliques too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 11 23:21:59 2013 No.792946 File: 1.48 MB, 2560x1920, Goonie.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>792918 No I don't think we're talking about that.

Anonymous Wed Jun 12 05:52:30 2013 No.793675
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I watched my old CRT get crushed in the back of a garbage truck this morning.

It was beyond repair.

Now i just have to find another trinitron to replace it. too bad most of them are either too big or too far away.

I'm going to try the local e-waste depot at the dump but i'm not sure if they will let me buy/take anything.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 12 06:59:29 2013 No.793717 File: 474 KB, 1632x1224, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Seller wants $100 for this and i would have to drive 30 miles to pick it up. I know its a HR model with RGB and Component, but i didnt want to spend any more than $50.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 12 07:01:00 2013 No.793719 File: 688 KB, 1632x1224, imagle.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>793717

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 12 07:06:59 2013 No.793727 >>792863 >what's that anon, you don't like top 40 music because you find it superficial and generic? what are you, hipster? You can never win.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 12 10:23:00 2013 No.793953 >>792887 >Get yourself an SD media launcher, that is currently the easiest way to launch GC homebrew. Like this? http://dx.com/p/wiikey-sd-card-adapter-for-wii-3993

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 12 10:39:00 2013 No.793974 >>793717 So offer $50. $50 is more along the lines of what most of us paid for ours. I paid $43 shipped and then ended up getting a full refund and keeping it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 12 10:57:29 2013 No.794016 >>793974 He won't accept any less.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 12 11:20:29 2013 No.794061 >>794016 Well then use your own judgement but don't get too worked up over it since at almost any time you can buy a monitor like that at that price (including shipping) on eBay and you wouldn't have to pick it up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 12 21:25:32 2013 No.795545 >>794061 Not in australia you can't.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 12 21:33:03 2013 No.795559 >>789198 I use a mid-2000's Trinitron simply because it had the inputs I wanted, was cheap and was far less likely to be worn the hell out, being newer and all. It's just practical.

Anonymous Wed Jun 12 22:01:02 2013 No.795625
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>>795545
I'm in AUS, specifically, Melbourne. And I have two PVMs, a 14" & a 20". They can be found here, for good deals too - just be diligent and regularly search ebay & gumtree. I ended up convincing the guy selling the 20" to give it to me for free and the 14" I paid $45 for. got the 14" on my desk for saturn, megadrive & PS1 games and I use the 20" hooked up to my 360 and dreamcast TATED! for exclusively shmups.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 12 22:10:32 2013 No.795649 >>795625 Bro that looks amazing. So the 20" is the one set up vertically?

Anonymous Thu Jun 13 02:21:32 2013 No.796273

>>795625
I have noticed they are more common in melbourne, but i'm in NSW in no mans land between newcastle and Sydney and when they do come up for sale they are either too expensive or the seller won't ship them.

Only 3 have come up but i missed out on one by $1 and the other the guy wanted $100 for shipping.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 13 02:29:02 2013 No.796296 File: 92 KB, 960x720, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 13 02:33:33 2013 No.796305 >>796296 You got some hips, Boy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 13 06:27:32 2013 No.796641 File: 484 KB, 1536x1152, 2013-06-13 19.23.53.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What the fuck were Sony thinking late into the Trinitrons life? Inside my my 2004 Wega.

Anonymous Thu Jun 13 07:49:32 2013 No.796724

I have made an arrangement with a bloke who works at the local rubbish depot, he is going to keep an eye out for a good TV for me.

There was a sony trinitron with a SCART input there a few days ago but the screen had massive chips in it from being dropped.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 13 09:25:33 2013 No.796886 >>796641 You mean those resonators? It's the Bose effect.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 13 09:28:03 2013 No.796895 Sony PVM 20M2U local $80 Y/N? I may try to haggle.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 13 09:36:04 2013 No.796903 >>796895 I'd try to get them down to $60.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 13 09:38:33 2013 No.796906 >>796895 If he listed it at $80 he probably only really wants $50 or $60.

Anonymous Thu Jun 13 09:54:33 2013 No.796934

>>796886
That and all the harnesses plus how cramped everything is.

My old 1996 Trinny had plenty of room inside and it was easy to access the board.

Looks like i will have to try and find another older model as this one will be impossible to modify for RGB.

Also where the fuck is the second anode?

Anonymous Thu Jun 13 10:21:33 2013 No.796978

>>796934
Dude it's a WEGA. On the other hand I saw a video on Youtube of some guy running an N64 it RGB mode with the RGB running straight to the gun and just using composite plugged into the composite jack on the back of the TV to achieve sync. It was the dirtiest shit I ever saw but it was working. He said he had to crank the flyback when I asked him about it so I don't know how long the tube would live but it was an epic trash-hack that I felt like I could make out of $50 worth of N64, solder, wires, junk TV and 20 minutes of labor and then sell to hipsters for $200.

Anonymous Thu Jun 13 10:30:34 2013 No.796992
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>>796978
I know the one you're talking about.

You can do it much simpler, most cheap TV's have everything you need to add a SCART input already on the board.

I'm in Australia so i get PAL TV's anyway but they still don't use scart for some reason.

All you have to do is find the video encoder chip and look up the datasheet to see if it supports RGB in, then disconnect the OSD/teletext generator and solder onto the correct pins, add a 75ohm resistor to each wire and connect it to a SCART socket. if you still want the OSD to work, you will have to wire a 4 pin switch.

I got it working on my old TV but that was just an experiment to prove it was possible. the tube on that TV was dying but the picture was great. all i had to do to get it perfect would be to add the right value capacitor to get the brightness correct.

Anonymous Thu Jun 13 10:37:33 2013 No.797000

>>796992
I think you and I already had this discussion in another thread. I already have that pic saved and you're probably the one who drew it up to start with. I wouldn't call it simpler than soldering three wires in the N64 and splicing. Safer, yes. Better, yes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 13 11:20:34 2013 No.797073 File: 984 KB, 2180x1508, finalfight_hi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 13 12:07:11 2013 No.797154 People actually pay for CRTs?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 13 12:41:33 2013 No.797238 >>797154 Really nice ones are worth paying a few bucks for.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 13 14:08:34 2013 No.797479 >>793953 >http://dx.com/p/wiikey-sd-card-adapter-for-wii-3993 Sure. If you have a gamecube action replay disk this will work.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 13 14:43:34 2013 No.797573 >>797073 Clipped the top with rgb

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 13 17:03:05 2013 No.797987 >>789174 Mine fucking died on me. Screen would randomly flicker on and off, and "blacks" were starting to get a red tinge to them. Luckily I have like 5 other CRTs to choose from.

Anonymous Thu Jun 13 18:20:38 2013 No.798227
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why dont you hipster faggots just drape some windows screen over your monitor while you play, now everything has those stupid fake scanlines on it fucking up the picture completely

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 13 18:54:06 2013 No.798365 >>798227 Why don't you suck a dick?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 00:08:07 2013 No.799275 File: 153 KB, 800x600, Line up 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 00:22:38 2013 No.799304 >>798227 why don't you go shit up your own nose

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 04:40:10 2013 No.799903 >>798227 Because our parents weren't cousins like yours were.

Anonymous Fri Jun 14 04:45:40 2013 No.799912

>>799903
first cousins actually have a lower rate of consanguinuity than you think. You don't really see significant inbreeding effects unless it's within the immediate family or odd intergenerational back-crosses. Mating with a fullblooded sibling is risky, mating with a direct ancestor or descendant or one of their siblings is where stuff gets really bad

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 04:54:09 2013 No.799932 >>791696 >laserdisc >RGB Laserdiscs encode composite video.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 04:57:39 2013 No.799936 >>799912 >typical LCD user

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 05:01:39 2013 No.799941 >>789212 you don't understand what the word hipster means, do you?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 05:13:39 2013 No.799958 >>789212 I played SNES on a 29" blaupunkt TV via scart RGB when i was a kid. am i a hipster for wanting to play games in comparable quality now that i have grown up?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 05:20:39 2013 No.799970 File: 1.14 MB, 865x646, what is this pad.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>790796 What is this one ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 05:23:09 2013 No.799972 >>799941 You obviously don't, regardless of what you keep repeating in that little head of yours over and over again. I don't understand why you autistic fucks latched on to that fucking word and ran with it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 14 05:25:10 2013 No.799975 >>799970 Neo-Geo AES?

Anonymous Fri Jun 14 12:15:11 2013 No.800795

>>799941
>>799972
Okay, let's define our terms here. A hipster (in modern parlance) is a person who rejects the mainstream culture in favor of more obscure and often retro/throwback. By this definition anyone using any kind of a CRT might be considered something of a hipster.

When used as an insult, to call someone a hipster implies that they are embracing this obscure or retro culture for no other reason than to appear cool. In this insulting sense, a hipster would be much more likely to use an inferior 80s TV over a high quality CRT.

To accuse people of hipsterism on 4chan, especially outside of /b/ is very strange indeed since the vast majority of us are Anonymous and therefore not really concerned with fostering any particular image of ourselves. It's possible that some Anons come here to learn just enough to go and be a hipster in their real lives, but they would probably be hard to detect and are almost definitely not the ones of us who get accused of it the most.

tl;dr:
>Wear a mesh backed cap and aviator sunglasses at the beach: not necessarily hipster
>Wear a mesh backed cap and aviator sunglesses at your prom: hipster
>Buy a PVM and build a SCART to RGBS adapter yourself to play Super Mario World on your 1chip SNES: Not necessarily hipster
>Go to Goodwill and buy a Sharp TV from 1989 to connect Sonic The Hedgehog in composite and let it sit in demo mode when people are over: hipster

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