/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7876612]

What's with the Atari 2600-tier sound effects in FF7?

[Anonymous No.7876651]

>i dont understand the passage of time

[Anonymous No.7876793]

Someone explain please. There was enough space on cd. Was it ram?

[Anonymous No.7876871]

>>7876612
which ones? do you know what a 2600 sounds like?

[Anonymous No.7877524]

>>7876793

The sound implementation of FF7 was generally crunchy. They went with sound libraries (like midi) over CD-audio playback. This was probably done for space reasons, cd-load time reasons, and yeah RAM reasons.

I think the sound is iconic, but im a sucker for unique tambre which stems from hardware limitations.

Final Fantasy in general keeps menu sounds consistent throughout the series for continuity reasons. So like cartoony Tolkien FF3, or megadrama j-pop anime FF15, still the same menu sounds and menu border colors generally speaking.

Worth noting that whatever emulator you're using probably effects the sound quality in some way.

[Anonymous No.7877526]

It has all around good sound design.

[Anonymous No.7877789]

>>7876871
I don't really agree with OP's whining, but there is one sound I can think of that he might be talking about, like in the opening with the soldiers and the sound it makes when their shot connects on cloud.

[Anonymous No.7877796]

it sounds ok. I have more of an issue with the instrumentation Uematsu chose with FFIX. The final boss battles sound really corny.

[Anonymous No.7877803]

>>7876612
also, you are playing the PS1 version and not the PC ver. with MIDIs, right?

[Anonymous No.7877885]

Polygonal models on pre-rendered backgrounds is such a surreal experience.

[Anonymous No.7877964]

>>7877885
this
n64 mario party games

[Anonymous No.7879639]

I would not be surprised if they ported their sound effects generator from their SNES games and stuck to it.

[Anonymous No.7879646]

>>7876612

[Anonymous No.7879693]

>>7876871
When someone get punched it totally sounds like an atari explosion

[Anonymous No.7879696]

>>7879646
Been playing FF7 with my brother for the first time. Aerith's death hit me unexpectedly hard despite being spoiled long ago.

[Anonymous No.7880110]

>>7879696
What do you think of the game overall? I've been playing a lot of JRPGs I've missed in my childhood over the past few years and FF7 is so far one of the most disappointing. Combat/tactics-wise it's barely a step up from FF6 (and imo less interesting than FF5 due to the lack of a job system), a lot of the minigames just feel tedious, and you can get locked into long stretches of cutscenes with no prospect of a save point if you wander into the wrong area.

It's not bad or anything but when it comes to PS1 RPGs there are a lot of others I enjoyed more, like Grandia or Lunar. Those games also don't tend to waste your time with pointless minigames like the marching band stuff.

[Anonymous No.7880136]

>>7876612
midi to save space
it was already at 3 CDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4k5gJh4JZk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ2BmlttuhI

[Anonymous No.7880152]

>>7876612
The explosions, guns, and fire sfx really do sound like Atari tier

[Anonymous No.7880170]

>>7880136
Here's a comparison of the filesizes for In the Hunt. The PS1 port has a new OST and the arcade version.

Arcade stage 1 bgm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F8SiVzU1QI&list=PLCE893C44A08A961D&index=12

PS1 stage 1 bgm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fI0-TLbPkY&list=PLDMvNSI1foFUvn25KkPNIRQZ1ZeTXv2jB

[Anonymous No.7880786]

>>7876612
They used a soundbank system similar to MIDI to generate music and FX on the fly. In fact, you can convert it to a usable format and load it in a DAW if you want. Kingdom Hearts I and II use a similar system (with higher quality samples).

[Anonymous No.7880832]

>>7880110
It's shit compared to 8 and 6.

In addition to what you stated above, the game tells you to fuck yourself by showing you that none of what you did was even necessary in the end.

[Anonymous No.7880875]

I feel like the game loses steam after Midgar and doesn't pick back up until the Golden Saucer.

[Anonymous No.7880934]

>>7877524
Let me expand on what this guy said

FFVII fit on one disc, it's only three discs because of the FMVs, think about that

All of the sound in FFVII was done using the internal soundchip because there was simply no room left for the audio, and with what they were given they did extremely well

[Anonymous No.7880940]

>>7879639
The PS1's sound chip is based on Sony's soundchip that they made for the SNES, so I'm assuming at least some of the tools that were already in use were ported over

[Anonymous No.7881112]

>>7880934
This. In fact if you have a damaged disc you can swap it out for one of the other ones and the game will play normally, minus it playing the wrong FMVs when called for. The actual game data fits on one handily.

[Anonymous No.7881198]

>>7877524
>Final Fantasy in general keeps menu sounds consistent throughout the series for continuity reasons
DQ does this too.

[Anonymous No.7881204]

>>7880832
>It's shit compared to 8
yawn.

[Anonymous No.7881218]

>>7881204
knuckle crack
fart
sneeze
spit
ear scratch

Was there a point to that, XxSephirothMorpheusAragornxX?

[Anonymous No.7881236]

>>7881218
the point is that 8 is total dogshit and you are exposed as a contrarian pseud for putting it above 7. It's one thing to enjoy 8 for entirely subjective reasons (muh nostalgia, etc) but no, it's not a better game.

[Anonymous No.7881257]

>>7881236
It's objectively better. Main character doesn't dress in drag and try to get fucked by an old gangster. No stupid minigames every 8 seconds. Random encounters that can be disabled. A plot that doesn't say "just kidding!" at the end. No Aerith. Characters that don't look like the Quake guy. The song. Human characters.

[Anonymous No.7881259]

>>7881257

[Anonymous No.7881267]

>>7881236
Oh, and this is spot on: https://venturebeat.com/2009/12/04/a-case-study-of-final-fantasy-7-why-it-sucks/

7 remake is in every way superior, but it's still not as good as 8 or 6.

[Anonymous No.7881271]

>>7881267
>7 remake is in every way superior
keep covering yourself in glory

[Anonymous No.7881283]

>>7881271

[Anonymous No.7881508]

Which party member did you get for your date?

[Anonymous No.7881519]

>>7880832
>It's shit compared to 8
You are on fucking crack

[Anonymous No.7881524]

>>7876612
I noticed this too. A lot of the sound effects are generated by the hardware, like the sword slashes. Aside from that the game simply seems to use VERY tiny compressed sounds for sfx.

[Anonymous No.7881526]

>>7881257
This sounds like a bunch of shit you're autistically annoyed by than objective flaws with the game though

[Anonymous No.7881542]

>>7881508
Barret.

[Anonymous No.7881649]

>>7881526
It's what makes a shitty game, in the same way slow motion makes a shitty movie.

[Anonymous No.7881651]

>>7881519
Start listing the merits of 7, and not from a memory of it in the 90s.

If you say story or characters, elaborate.

[Anonymous No.7881673]

>>7881651
the story and characters

[Anonymous No.7881838]

>>7881651

[Anonymous No.7881840]

>>7881651
Good music, good character designs

[Anonymous No.7881896]

>>7881840
Attached.
>>7881838
Funny how you can't list anything.

[Anonymous No.7881903]

>>7881508
I got Aerith originally, but I realized I just had to speak to Tifa in the prison cell so her mommy milkers could accompany me rather than annoying horseface in puffy pants.

[Anonymous No.7881907]

>>7881896
>Funny how you can't list anything.
because nobody wants to lose time arguing against such an obvious bad faith troll, and it's not like you've provided real arguments as to why 7 is so bad. so nobody will fall in your trap.

[Anonymous No.7881946]

>>7881907
its bad because...because its bad okay?

[Anonymous No.7881951]

>>7881112
Never knew this, neat

[Anonymous No.7881952]

>>7881907
I actually told you, but I can do it again, since your argument is summed up by:

"You're stupid for thinking FF7 sucks!"
"Why do you like it?"
"DUMB HEAD!!!!!!!!!"


Let's start from the beginning.

First thing you see, it's ugly as sin. The monsters early on are pretty nondescript and borderline nonsensical. The character models are chunky. But, I can excuse this.

Admittedly, you're in a pretty interesting situation starting out, blowing up a reactor with some revolutionaries. Most of said revolutionaries are forgettable, though. It took a while for me to figure out who was Biggs and who was Wedge. Not that it matters.

The game is poorly translated. You can argue "ZOMG LEARN JAPANESU LIKE US WEEBS" but a game with text dialogue has no excuse for being that lazy. A lot of the dialogue is stupid. Some is flat out wrong ("Attack while it's tail's up! It's gonna counterattack with its laser!" is a pretty good example of misleading the player). "I find this stuff interesting. Bombs and monitors and stuff" is another great. It's hard to get into a game that's that dumb.

The characters are cardboard cutouts with one exception. Tifa is disproportionately fleshed out. Everyone else is a stereotype.
Cloud: He doesn't care
Barrett: DAMMIT! I'M A NIGGER! *pounds table*
Aerith: I'm annoying and I'm going to make sure you hear from me often
Red XIII: I have a rich mystical background
Vincent: Blah! I vant to suck your cock!
Yuffie: I'm Sakura Kasugano, but not useful
Cid: FUCK YOU! SMOKING! Also, my name implies the airship is coming
Sephiroth: I'll destroy the world because I'm SOOOOOOOO goth
Cait Sith: My life is a non-sequitur

Minigames. Where do I start? Mouth to mouth? Rifle drills? The parade? Submarine? Motorcycle? Getting a moogle laid? The literally impossible boxing game? Squats with a drag queen's goon so you can score a wig to crossdress? Only 2 of those I mentioned are optional. There's more, though. :(

message length, and this app doesn't warn me.

[Anonymous No.7881957]

>>7881907
The story is essentially this: Lifestream fixes everything. Not only would Meteor never be summoned, but Aerith wouldn't have needed to die (not one phoenix down, Cloud?). Even if it had happened, the aforementioned lifestream fixed it all. Aerith's summoning of Holy made it worse.

The battle system is nothing new.

There's more to this, but I hate reliving this game.

[Anonymous No.7882097]

>>7881896
Personally, I've always liked the overworld models. They're cute.

[Anonymous No.7882136]

>>7880110
Pointless minigames were the best part of FF7

[Anonymous No.7882150]

>>7881508
>Imagine going out on a date and not getting even a kiss

[Anonymous No.7882152]

>>7882136
Chocobo racing is genuinely fun.

[Anonymous No.7882164]

>>7876793
>>7877524
>and yeah RAM reasons.
I don't think so. Hardware generated music has to be loaded in memory but an audio track could have been played straight from the disc.

[Anonymous No.7882171]

>>7882152
So was the motorbike chasing game, the snowboard, the submarine, there's a reason the gold saucer is a thing. The criticism about "minigames" is very recent and has to do with ProJared's review of FFVII where he had to find "flaws" somehow as to justify why this game isn't as sacred as 6. Never before his review I saw this much criticism about 7's minigames, now apparently they ruin the entire game.

[Anonymous No.7882186]

>>7882171
6 is beyond boring
At least 8 has the card game

[Anonymous No.7882193]

Considering the game was originally made for SNES, they probably just repurposed what they already had.

[Anonymous No.7882354]

>>7882171
A few of them are annoying, like the Junon parade march.

[Anonymous No.7882380]

>>7882171
I hated the minigames based on my own experience. Minigames are dumb. I don't want to play a different, shittier game in the middle of the one I bought.

[Anonymous No.7882386]

>>7882380
ok ProJared

[Anonymous No.7882387]

>>7882164
Redbook audio is huge. Digital music was usually compressed as a .xa after the initial wave of games with Redbook like Wipeout XL (ENJOY THE NAME, EUROFAGS).

[Anonymous No.7882446]

>>7876612

I didn't mind at all. They're good and iconic effects.

[Anonymous No.7882451]

>>7876612
Gives it character. Same reason DQ still uses classic sound bites.

[Anonymous No.7882458]

>>7881903
I swear to god, if you call my waifu a horse one more fucking time, I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it.

[Anonymous No.7882558]

>>7880110
How in the fuck can you think ff7 is worse than Lunar what the fuck.

[Anonymous No.7882704]

>>7882386
I'm 40. I don't follow your trendy TikTok shit.

[Anonymous No.7882708]

>>7882458
She's worse than Yuna in X, and Yuna looks like Seabiscuit.

[Anonymous No.7883457]

>>7882708
She's not bad looking either. Are you just gay or something?

[Anonymous No.7883515]

>>7881267
>that article

This is such obvious try hard click bait holy shit. Basically a professional troll who knows he's writing bullshit but does it with with a smirk on its face because he's getting paid for it and knows his shit will bring tons of clicks.

And people fall for this.

[Anonymous No.7883778]

[Anonymous No.7883787]

>>7883778
Nomura is a hack

[Anonymous No.7883790]

>>7883457
The CG scenes when you see her facial expressions are the problem.

[Anonymous No.7883795]

>>7883515
>troll
>everything in it is completely true
>not my vidya
>I wear women's shoes because I like the way it makes my calves look

[Anonymous No.7883798]

>>7883787
It’s not like Toriyama invented spiky hair or anything.

[Anonymous No.7883803]

>>7883787
Kingdom Hearts, FF8, and FF7R are showing that he's sometimes capable of genius.

[Anonymous No.7883805]

>>7883790
Let’s be honest, do any of the characters look good in those CG scenes?

[Anonymous No.7883809]

>>7879696
Tifa-chads were like "whatever"

[Anonymous No.7883816]

>>7883805
Rikku. And Tidus is gay for not banging her after the snowmobile ride.

[Anonymous No.7883824]

>>7883803
He’s a good designer, but not a good writer.

[Anonymous No.7883860]

I know there’s a lot of fucking weebs on this board, but after finally playing this game after 20 or so years, it’s given me a newfound appreciation for Ted Woolsey and all he did for the industry. The dialogue fucking sucks. Half the time you have no fucking idea what is going on and the game assumes you do, but unfairly so. The jokes are fucking god awful and flat. They imply gay sex 1 hour into the game, but they also don’t at the same time. I’ve literally been filtered by the lack of localization and it sucks.

[Anonymous No.7883891]

>>7882186
Tetra Master > Triple Triad

[Anonymous No.7883901]

>>7881952
>and this app doesn't warn me.
it's called a website you underage b&

[Anonymous No.7883909]

>>7883901
I'm 40, and the convenience of the app makes it much more useful.

[Anonymous No.7883932]

It does sound pretty Atairy at points. This is my favorite SFX in the whole game because of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ijHqt7tJo8

[Anonymous No.7884061]

>>7883809
Is Squall a Tifafag?

[Anonymous No.7884136]

>>7883457

[Anonymous No.7884224]

[Anonymous No.7885924]

>>7881112
Used to do this with Xenosaga II when I played my physical copy
Some areas on disc 2 the game would softlock, had to swap in disc 1 beforehand, then remember to swap back before a cutscene because having the wrong disc then can softlock the game
It's pretty common for multi-disc games to have all the actual content fit on one disc, with just the cutscenes being split between them

[Anonymous No.7886389]

>>7880875
That's a pretty small slice of the game really.

[Anonymous No.7886450]

>>7883809
Why is her eye popping out?

[Anonymous No.7886454]

>>7884224
>CC outfit

triggered

[Anonymous No.7886543]

Itty bitty Cloud!

[Anonymous No.7886807]

>>7886389
It’s just that the raid on Shinra HQ is so high octane that the rest of the game falls flat on comparison.

[Anonymous No.7886826]

>>7886389
It’s just that the raid on Shinra HQ is so high octane that the rest of the game falls flat in comparison.

[Anonymous No.7887450]

I like both. Can I like both?

[Anonymous No.7887829]

>>7881508
Aerith date is canon.

[Anonymous No.7888591]

[Anonymous No.7889591]

>>7877524
it used a pretty decent GM library on the PlayStation disk AFAIK. Not sure if sfx was part of it, or it was just used for music.

[Anonymous No.7889593]

>>7880110
I had played all the SNES FF games before it, and I thought it had a great atmosphere despite being uglier. FF8 onwards disappointed me.

[Pr?nc?ss Sevenleaf No.7889850]

https://vocaroo.com/1jfe6G7nvyqg

Doot doot doo~

[Anonymous No.7890276]

[Anonymous No.7890713]

Just wanted to post this here.