/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7862236]

what the fuck, bros

>replaying OoT
>get to dark link fight
why is he in the water temple and not shadow? dark link -> shadow link
>using "advanced" tech like crouch stabs, jump attacks, horizontal slices, stabs, dins fire, hammer, etc
>he blocks fucking everything, jumps on my sword, and hits me
>jumps and backs out from every attack I try to do
>end up using a fairy and still end up dying
I dont remember him being this fucking hard

[Anonymous No.7862245]

Never played this game. Is it actually good or what? Keep in mind I don't have any nostalgia for it

[Anonymous No.7862248]

Water = reflection. Also, domt use z targeting and if you hace the broken giant knife, use it.

[Anonymous No.7862250]

>>7862245
Nah, its massively overrated by people who grew up with it.
>tank controls
>ugly graphics
>boring puzzles

[Anonymous No.7862251]

>>7862250
Cool contrarian opinion.

[Anonymous No.7862252]

>tank controls

[Anonymous No.7862261]

>>7862245
It's pretty good. It has that Nintendo polish, though it has the associated Nintendo blandness I feel about most of their major games. Mario has this the most, but Zelda tends to leave me a bit cold as well. Like, it's easy to play but after I'm done with it I don't have much takeaway.
That being said, basically everyone disagrees with me and I'm in some sliver of a minority. So, might as well try it and see.

[Anonymous No.7862262]

>>7862245
It's not bad. The sequel is shit though.

[Anonymous No.7862271]

>>7862236
>din's fire
This kills him easier than any other method, so I question the legitimacy of your post.
I think the hammer also works well.

[Anonymous No.7862273]

>>7862250
Every game has tank controls now

[Anonymous No.7862275]

>>7862271
I used 2 or 3 of them(only had the first magic meter, so it was short) and he was still alive, so I guess it wasnt doing enough damage. The hammer is slow as shit and he either blocked it or backflipped away

[Anonymous No.7862282]

>>7862250
That's not what tank controls mean, retard

[Anonymous No.7862294]

>>7862250
>tank controls
Uhhh, bro, you ok?

[Anonymous No.7862301]

>>7862245
Yes, good game design doesn't age.

[Anonymous No.7862349]

>>7862236
Don't lock onto him. Bash him with the hammer. Easy.

[Anonymous No.7862363]

>>7862262
Yeah wind waker was pretty bad

[Anonymous No.7862370]

>>7862245
it's alright, 7/10
early dungeons are boring

[Anonymous No.7862384]

The cool thing about Dark Link is that he has a bizarrely advanced AI for being a miniboss that appears once in a featureless square room. If you use hacks to spawn him in other places in the game he'll fight enemies and chase you with surprisingly good pathfinding, he can also mess up certain scripted events because he's coded like the player.

[Anonymous No.7862385]

>>7862245
if you're not a kid playing it on the 90's don't expect the best game ever, it IS great though.

[Anonymous No.7862458]

>>7862236
>input reading
wow this artificial difficulty is worse than Mortal Kombat

[Anonymous No.7862464]

>>7862458
I mean it's a reflection of the player character. It's one of the only times input reading is actually justified.

[Anonymous No.7862486]

>>7862245
>Never played this

That's like saying you never watched Star Wars, I mean fuck go it play it right now.

[Anonymous No.7862540]

>>7862248
>Also, domt use z targeting
When I was kid I always did it that way and so the fight took 10 minutes longer than it should've, kek.
>>7862245
Yes, it's a fun experience either way.

[Anonymous No.7862612]

>>7862245
I don't like Zelda very much, but I played Ocarina simply due to its popularity eventually. It wound up being the only 3D Zelda I could actually get into and I wound up beating it. So yes, it's worth a shot.

[Anonymous No.7862717]

>>7862250
>tank controls
this isn't tomb raider

[Anonymous No.7862745]

>>7862236
He's in the water temple because he is a reflection of Link. Water reflects. It's an East Asian mythological thing about water.

[Anonymous No.7862758]

>>7862236
Walk away then 180 slash
GG ez

[Anonymous No.7862804]

>>7862349
This is what I do right here.

[Anonymous No.7862987]

>>7862250
>tank controls
Yeah I'm pretty sure it doesn't have tank controls

>>7862261
>>7862262
>>7862301
>>7862370
>>7862385
>>7862486
>>7862540
Thanks for the responses. I wasn't trying to be edgey or anything, but zelda is the most iconic (retro) series that I never played. I've been too put off by the obnoxious "OoT is the best game ever!!!!" crowd to try it.
That being said I don't own an N64. What emulator would be best to play this? Thanks.

[Anonymous No.7863047]

>>7862245
its the greatest game of all time

what I mean to say is, don't bother if you haven't had the brains to play it yet. just keep snorting hot sauce or whatever you do normally

[Anonymous No.7863052]

>>7862250
>Ocarina of Time
>tank controls

[Anonymous No.7863063]

>>7863047
When you make a claim like that I would like an explanation as to why it's the best game ever besides "I was 10 when I played it and I only know nintendo games"

[Anonymous No.7863075]

>>7863063
saying "is it actually good or what" makes you sound condescending for the sake of it. how could you be oblivious to the acclaim the game has and equally fail to recognize that after all these years it is likely that it's deserved? By the way you clearly have some personal hang-ups since you felt the need to bring up nostalgia and then projected nostalgia on me with no evidence

[Anonymous No.7863086]

>>7862245
Its the only time Zelda got everything right, IE a good story, good gameplay, good music, interesting world, good characters, good controls.
I like the ideas that Zelda games present, just wish all of it had more depth thus I always end up disappointed, OoT is the only game in the series that doesnt.

If youre playing the game make sure to just try and not think about the fact that youre playing a game considered by many to be the best game ever made, it ruins a lot about the game because you'll sit there with a very negative mindset playing a game meant to bedazzle people in the 90s, doesnt connect well.

[Anonymous No.7863098]

>>7863075
>One of the most bought games ever is considered the best because non-gamers had their one game on the 90s that they all played

[Anonymous No.7863109]

>>7863075
>still not one syllable explaining why it's the best game ever
Christ. I already addressed your type in >>7862987 before you even replied. That response is drone-like and doesn't compel me to try anything.
I've made up my mind that I'll play it thanks to the other anons. Good game design, Nintendo polish, fun experience was all it took.

>>7863086
Heard. I won't let the late 90s hype get to me.

[Anonymous No.7863115]

>>7862245
no anon all the hype from every corner of the gaming community (except contrarian edgelords) is just astroturfing by people with no taste
>inb4 "this but unironically"

[Anonymous No.7863119]

>>7862250
>tank control

[Anonymous No.7863121]

>>7863109
me calling it the best game ever was ancillary to my point that your attitude pissed me off

[Anonymous No.7863124]

>>7862275
dark link has as many hearts as you do

[Anonymous No.7863131]

>>7863115
The reason I asked here is because when it comes to contrarian thought 4chan is the best site on the internet. I was kinda curious to see what anons would say.
On literally any other game forum, the only response I'd get is "best game evar!!1!" with a zillion upvotes.

Anyway I've already made up my mind. Sorry for derailing your thread OP.

[Anonymous No.7863153]

>>7863131
it's kind of a sore spot bc this board is constantly flooded with low effort "Zelda is overrated" bait

[Anonymous No.7863180]

>>7862245
It's predictable really, I think it relied hard on people being new to 3d games. These days its puzzles are too obvious and solutions too blatant. Some parts like the dark link fight feel like wasted potential and it has its moments where it delights in wasting your time. These days where we've had so many 3d games come out and around it feels almost undercooked

[Anonymous No.7863212]

>>7862250
god I hate zoomers

[Anonymous No.7863251]

>>7862384
> If you use hacks to spawn him in other places in the game he'll fight enemies
lol no he doesnt who told you that

[Anonymous No.7863851]

>>7862236
pretty sure you can use the biggoron's sword on him

[Anonymous No.7863920]

>>7862236
Are you using an emulator? The game logic could be running much faster than its supposed to. From 20 fps to 60 fps thats 3x faster.

[Anonymous No.7863931]

>>7862987
Mupen64+
There is a decompilation project for a native PC port but it's not over. You can see the progress at https://zelda64.dev/progress.html

Bear in mind, I have nostalgia for it, I got a green N64 with DK64 and OoT in christmas '99, and OoT was the game that absorbed me despite coming off the DKC trilogy hype/obsession I had as a toddler, yet I'm really saddened by the drone people putting people off from trying the game.

It is dated in many instances, especially since many things it did, it was one of the first instances of action adventure in 3D, but I think it's genuinely a fun game with a charming world and character designs - I loved looking at the artwork so much in the manual. I hope if you try the game anon, you find it to be a fun time in spite of the usual Nintendies being obnoxious.

the 3DS remake of OoT is also good, fuck contrarians

[Anonymous No.7864010]

>>7862250
sick bait dude

[Anonymous No.7864039]

>>7862248
ANON GET SOME SLEEP

[Anonymous No.7864042]

>>7862987
That crowd's right, the responses you got were just doing the typical 4chan thing.

[Anonymous No.7864393]

>>7863931
the problem with the 3ds version is, that, it does not have feelings or emotions or a soul which is why it will not be able to go to heaven with me

[Anonymous No.7864552]

>>7862987
just play the fucking game retard. Its either a 10 out of 10 or the most overrated game in existence

[Anonymous No.7864721]

>>7862236
>Not getting the big goron sword asap and fucking shit up with it

[Anonymous No.7865673]

>>7862236
I defeated Dark Link with only the master sword and three hearts, and I was still disappointed how easy it was. Then I realized I was trying to find a challenge in a Nintendo game, and felt like an idiot.

[Anonymous No.7865723]

>>7865673
>easy
>three hearts
thats the reason right here

[Anonymous No.7865745]

>>7865723
It wouldn't matter if he had more health, it would just make an easy fight longer.

[Anonymous No.7866360]

how do you deal damage to Dark Link?

[Anonymous No.7866379]

>>7862250
what the fuck are tank controls

[Anonymous No.7866425]

>>7863931
ah, a fellow jungle green 64 owner

[Anonymous No.7866941]

>>7866425
When I got my second controller to play with my sister and when I had a friend over, I made sure to also get it jungle green so my N64 would all match nicely.

[Anonymous No.7866968]

>>7862363
you shut your whore mouth. there would be no botw without ww

[Anonymous No.7867017]

>chuck deku nut when looking at an angle away from him to stun
>hammer without targeting
>horizontal biggoron sword swings without targeting
>keeping him to your back, holding Z and doing horizontal slashes
>dins fire+green potion if you suck
there's tons of ways to fight it

[Anonymous No.7867020]

>>7862250
>tank controls

[Anonymous No.7867087]

>>7867017
thanks

[Anonymous No.7867932]

>>7862236
use the hammer on him he can't block it.
also, the shadow link should have been in the shadow temple I agree but the logic was the water reflected Link's negative traits. Link had to defeat him to proceed with the hero's quest. If the game were made with more modern tech maybe there would be a better story explanation.

[Anonymous No.7867986]

>>7862486
I never played Zel-oh-elda nor watched Sóy Wars and I'll not eat the bugs.

[Anonymous No.7868182]

>>7862236
>why is he in the water temple and not shadow?
i always wondered why he wasn't in either spirit, shadow temples, or ganons tower

[Anonymous No.7869184]

>>7868182
Would have been pretty sick to fight 2 or 3 of them at a time in Ganon's Tower.

[Anonymous No.7869194]

>>7867017
>when looking at an angle away from him to stun
is this why my deku nuts never seem to fucking do anything? I kept throwing them at whatever I was fighting and they never did shit

[Anonymous No.7869264]

>>7862236
Because if he was in a temple with no light then he couldn't be a shadow you dumbass.

[Anonymous No.7869293]

>>7869184
bruh
and they gave us stalfos again from the first temple

[Anonymous No.7869581]

>>7862250
to everyone replying, tank controls to zoomers means any movement in a 3rd person where up=forward. Some idiot on youtube is saying this or something. The "resident evil fixed camera" definition somehow got changed. Think about how croc or spyro controls. That's tank controls to them. Some faggot argued with me about this like 3 months ago on here about it.

[Anonymous No.7869631]

>>7869581
>any movement in a 3rd person where up=forward.
Now I'm curious, what's the zoomer-approved method of moving in a 3D space?

[Anonymous No.7869639]

>>7862236
The water acts as a mirror to Link's heart because you can see your reflection in water.

[Anonymous No.7869642]

>>7869631
>what's the zoomer-approved method of moving in a 3D space?
You shouldn't care. No one here should. Let the bed-wetters be stupid.

[Anonymous No.7869694]

>>7869631
zoomer here, you should be able to move in any direction with zero friction, able to turn on a dime all with a full analog camera

[Anonymous No.7869809]

>>7862250
>tank controls
Err what?

[Anonymous No.7870354]

>>7869809
it's like dank controls, just wank controls, whack controls. Basically there is no argument

[Anonymous No.7870406]

>>7862987
Do yourself a favour and play the 3DS version

[Anonymous No.7870538]

>>7862236
get the broken giants knife and just stab him

[Anonymous No.7871171]

>>7869694
???
That's literally OoT, minus the camera.

[Anonymous No.7871202]

>>7862236
>face slightly away from him
>throw nut
>jumpslash
>repeat
ez

[Anonymous No.7871219]

>>7871171
cameras fine too imo
just press z and it goes behind you
its probably the only major n64 game i can think of where the camera isnt an issue when judging it retrospectively

[Anonymous No.7872245]

I always brought green potion and used din's fire. I was fairly young and just wanted to beat the game. this thread has me now quite curious about this fight. I remember being totally stymied with conventional strategies.

[Anonymous No.7873271]

>>7862236
I usually just targeted him and spammed the fuck out of horizontal slashes. Iirc dude can't do any fancy shit against that and eventually he gets too tired to properly deflect you. Probably not the most efficient, but it was all I ever bothered with.

[Anonymous No.7873278]

>>7871219
Shadows of the Empire has a good camera too