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What was people's reaction in 1992 when Sonic homaged Dragonball?
Also, what are your honest thoughts on the Sonic 2 special stages design? Especially the last 2.

>> No.7858416

Fucking awesome. Sonic 2’s Super Sonic music is the best fucking ever end of story. Even Sonic 3’s jingle when going super/hyper doesn’t match it. Also the special stages were awesome, I make it a point to grab all chaos emeralds ASAP whenever I play Sonic 2. While S3&K is certainly a very awesome game I’m honesty quite torn on whether I prefer S2 or S3&K. But yeah I love Sonic 2’s special stages and holy fucking shit the Super Sonic music in Sonic 2.

>> No.7858425

>>7858398
>What was people's reaction in 1992 when Sonic homaged Dragonball?
You'd have to go on a Japanese forum to get an answer to that. Most of us didn't see Dragon Ball Z till the mid-90s.

>> No.7858430

Only Asians and ultraweebs knew what Dragonball was in the early 90s, it was something people pieced together several years later when DBZ aired on TV

The power up itself was cool to play around with, but I think all the magazines spoiled the surprise ahead of time

>> No.7858431

>>7858416
But don't you think the patterns are shoddy on special stages 6 and 7?
There's no logical indication of which side rings are gonna pop up, it's all blind guess, which forces you to memorize it.
Not impossible but I ended up not feeling as satisfacted when I managed to beat them, more like "thank god it's over"

>> No.7858438

>>7858431
Well there’s definitely some memorisation involved but I still managed to beat every special stage first attempt after a massive hiatus from Sonic 2. If I’m gonna complain about special stages I hated the ones in Sonic Mania when I first played the game, but even after some time I managed to start appreciating them. Those took a hell lot of getting used to.

>> No.7858448

>>7858398
Outside of Japan, only a few Asian and Yuro countries (France, Italy and Spain) knew what Dragon Ball was in 1992.

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30285

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>>7858425
My first exposure to DB was my apartment's trash bin, there was a box full of Korean DB+Z books, it wasn't dirty so I took them and figured the story out without understanding the words. My point being it was popular throughout Asia years before it hit the western world

>> No.7858453

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPNgC3gBaq4

>> No.7858472

lmao all the animelets ITT

>> No.7858496

>>7858438
In Mania you can just press Y a few times at the start of a special stage to immediately get to way past cool speeds and nab the emerald in seconds.

At least on the PC version.

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>>7858398
Super Sonic was okay, but LGBT Sonic in S3&K was dumb as shit.

>> No.7858507

>>7858450
Well, anon, did you like it?

>> No.7858532

>>7858398
Most of us didn't have any idea it was based on DBZ at the time.

>> No.7858535

>>7858507
I'm not a huge DB fan (I like the OG series). But it was neat being ahead of the curve before all my friends started screaming about it

>> No.7858548

>>7858398
>What was people's reaction in 1992 when Sonic homaged Dragonball?

The average American didn't know. It would be a couple more years until db became a huge international success.

>> No.7858551

>>7858497
Fuck off. Hyper sonic was hype af. The flashing sprite was cool back in the day. Sorry you find anything colourful offensive. There was plenty of brown and bloom on the ps3. Fuck off back to /v/

>> No.7858554

>>7858497
Fuck you, Hyper Sonic was fucking awesome
>>7858398
I think Dragon Ball is pretty lame as far as anime, but I also don't have any nostalgic attachment to it. As for the Sonic 2 special stages they are my least favorite because they strike me as the most unfair special stages of the Genesis era. I also have an autism where I won't complete a Sonic game unless I get all the emeralds so it has made me much more reluctant to replay 2 as opposed to even 1 although 1 is the inferior game in my opinion (3&K being easily the best)

>> No.7858559

Love sonic games, but the special stages in sonic games are always a godawful slog
The only time I bothered being a completionist, getting all the emeralds and the good ending was when I had S3&K and way too much time on my hand as a kid

>> No.7858570

>>7858548
The average american were not the only people that played Sonic.

>> No.7858574

>>7858548
>Americans always thinking that the world revolves around them
It's like the memes are writing themselves.

>> No.7858669

>>7858535
>I like the OG series
Based, it's the best part

>> No.7858672

>>7858497
Don’t call Sonic gay.

>> No.7858678

>>7858416
>Sonic 2’s Super Sonic music is the best fucking ever end of story
wot? it replaces a great OST with a 5 second loop. i cannot fathom that design decision

>> No.7858717

Nobody knew or cared about jap shit.

>> No.7858727

>>7858570
Americans are the main character of the world.

>> No.7858789

>>7858727
>almost killed the video game industry in their own country
>Japan saved the video game industry in america
>americans are the main character of the world

>> No.7858797

>>7858789
Is this an attempted refutation? Thirdworlders are as dumb as dirt.

>> No.7858805

>>7858425
This. I had no idea what DBZ was until maybe 1997-1998.
t. 38 years old

>> No.7859275

>>7858727
I don't really have anything against yanks, but it must be sad to still cling to the heyday of the 1950s, predenting everything's alright.
It's like bongs who still cling to their colonizing heyday but fail to realize they've been islam'd already. same with you americans, getting woke'd by minorities.
The state of the world right now is pretty sad, so being the "Main character" of it isn't exactly something positive.

>> No.7859337

>>7858448
>Argentina got DBZ toys as early as 1994
That's pretty wild.

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>>7858398
Even as a kid in the 90s, I eventually figured out the special stages weren't actually 3D, so I just found them tedious and kinda pathetic and actively avoided them.

>> No.7859385

>>7858398
I did not know DBZ existed when I played this. Funnily enough a couple years later I discovered it and got obsessed, and noted the 7 important things and the blonde transformation. They were my two favorite things and I wanted a crossover bad.

>> No.7859389

>>7859378
As a kid I liked how they looked, I guess I feel for the 3D meme, but I got filtered around the 3rd or 4th one and honestly didn't care, I just used the sound test cheat code to unlock Super Sonic.
As an adult i managed to be patient enough to memorize them, but it isn't worth it.

>> No.7859405

>>7858398
I never even knew about Dragonball Z until my little brother watched it back in 1998. When I first saw Super Sonic, I was blown away and thought this was way cooler than anything I've done in the Super Mario games. So my reaction to Super Sonic had nothing to do with Dragonball Z.

>> No.7859408

>>7858574
>implying he implied that
American site, but say the cope that a Nip owns it. 50% American userbase. You are an afterthought and its why you will never not be obsessed and be a whiny bitch because of your inferiority complex. Talk about videogames or fuck off. If you can't not shut up about muh america go to /int/.

>> No.7859423

>>7858398
Didnt know what Dragonball was. Wasn't good enough to unlock Super Sonic so it was just some amazing thing I would occasionally hear about and see pictures of in magazines.

>> No.7859424

>>7859408
>but say the cope that a Nip owns it
Not him, but besides that, 4chan's code is a literal copypaste of 2chan. The argument that "4chan is MURRICAN! fuck Japan!" was always ironic as fuck, and I hope guys who use it are being ironic and not serious.
>50% American userbase
And I wonder how much of that 50% is actually burger and not taco/other minorities that reside in US of A.

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7859438

>Innocent thread about Sonic and DBZ
>it quickly devolves into /int/ shitposting
well, I guess it can't be helped.
i always thought how it was weird that USA got into DBZ last compared to the rest of the world.
Something actually curious is that a very early draft of Dragon Ball (not Z) was made by Harmony Gold, the same company that did Robotech by cannibalizing Macross, Mospeada and Southern Cross.
With dragon ball, they didn't mix different series, but they did some really weird changes, like changing Goku's name to Zero. That early DB dub was used as a base to make a latin american dub, which also used the Zero name. Neither the USA or the LatAM versions had much success, but the latin version had more recognition in general, while the original USA one went completely under the radar at the time.
USA also had several attempts at making DBZ popular throughout the 90s, even editing some of the movies in DVD (I remember those were some of the very first anime DVDs I ever saw, back in 1998 or so), but overall DBZ was still an obscurity in USA, whereas in Europe it was mainstream since the early 90s, and in latin america since the mid 90s. In many latin american countries, DBZ was also popular thanks to all the stuff coming from Spain.

>> No.7859457

>>7859438
Do you know anything about the 1992 airing of Dragon Ball and the beginning of DBZ in Hawaii? According to what I read, it was aired with Japanese audio and English subtitles.

>> No.7859473

>>7859275
Holy shit you are pathetic

>> No.7859481

>>7859473
As I said I don't really have anything against yanks, I actually wish they could stand up against their enemies, like they once did.

>> No.7859496

>>7858398

Not sure ot intentionally did though.
Super forms existed before DB did and on a character who has spikes will of course ALSO have spikes in powered up form.
Then you have to distingush the power form, an other color is the best way of doing that and I would too either use red or orange or yellow.
Maybe it was one but it could easily also be coincidental.

>> No.7859509

>>7859496
I wonder if there's any interview with Sonic Team people where they actually confirm it's a DBZ reference.
But, considering it's a 1992 game from Japan, I think it'd be TOO much of a coincidence. 1992 was around the time Goku transformed into SSJ for the first time (maybe 1991, not sure), and it was hugely popular.
The way Sonic's spikes go up also remind of the way Goku's hair go up (instead of just being the same regular spikes but golden), and also Sonic's eyes turn green/blue as well.
Goemon in Mystical Ninja for N64 also has a SSJ tranformation.

>> No.7859513

>>7859438
Ironically DBZ was aired on the USA cable network for a while but I believe mostly in a Sunday afternoon time slot that didn’t get much attention. As everyone knows, it wasn’t until Cartoon Network got the rights that it really took off over here.

>> No.7859518

>>7859438
Anime in general took longer to hit the US than a lot of the world, essentially because of xenophobia against the Japanese. That's why the few pre-DBZ anime that did come out were insanely altered to come off as more American
>>7859509
I don't think such an interview exists but yeah it's very likely a reference. DBZ was at that time, it influenced so much stuff

>> No.7859649

>>7859518
The xenophobia plateaued by end of the 80s I think. WWII was starting to be a long time ago, Japan's bubble popped so they weren't as much of an economic threat, that hostile generation was aging out of the core consumer demo. Pop culture was flooded with a million movies about ninjas and karate, Akira sparked the anime craze, and Nintendo became a household name for kids

Ronin Warriors aired dubbed around 1995, the characters used their original Japanese names, they weren't renamed "Tom" and "Jane" like earlier butchered localizations

>> No.7859660

>>7859424
>fuck Japan!
Who the fuck said that?

>4chan's code is a literal copypaste of 2chan
literally irrelevant

>And I wonder how much of that 50% is actually burger and not taco/other minorities that reside in US of A.
Also irrelevant but it's funny you say this because non-americans are the non-whites of countries. Always complaining about "the power" blaming everything on it with a massive chip on your shoulder all of which is imagined while the ones you're bitching about nonstop don't even think of you(this one always gets you very upset because you know it's true).

>> No.7859705

>>7859660
Wait wait wait, are you implying US of A is white?
Boy, I have bad news for you. Are you some kind of nuclear lunatic that remained inside a bunker since the 60s or something?

>> No.7859717

>>7859705
>non-white of countries doesn't understand analogies
sasuga lole

>> No.7859770

>>7859717
Remember, I don't even hate yanks like you, I wish you could be great again. Alas.

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>>7859770
jej

>> No.7859798

>>7859786
oooh is that a wojak?
but yeah, rip murca.

>> No.7859823

>>7859798
Talk about videogames already you obsessed faggot damn, or fuck off to /pol/ or /int/

>> No.7859836

>>7859481
Minorities arent an enemy Jesus christ go touch some fuckin grass m8

>> No.7860008

>>7858398
I didnt know dragon ball and I thought it was great.

>> No.7860210

>>7858398
I was blown away, not because it was some hype shit (even though it was) but because before i knew about Super Sonic i always had that thought/dream of "Wouldn't it be cool if [character] became super saiyan?" which i would usually tell my cousins about it, they'd laugh at me because the idea was "crazy nonsense"...and then our jaws dropped when we saw Super Sonic in a flash game.
Sorry for the blog post.

>> No.7860215

>>7858398
I think people overreact to the difficulty of the special stages. You DON'T need to memorize them just because you cannot see obstacles coming from out of view on turns, what you need to do is identify places where YOU CANNOT TELL IF YOU ARE SAFE, and then TREAT THOSE AS UNSAFE! It's that simple. You will still have enough coins, they don't habitually place huge amounts of them along the insides of turns, you just won't lose your coins to shit you couldn't see, and then you'll win. No memorization, just intelligence.

>> No.7860371

Honestly, I didn't have enough context to tell one was a homage to the other. I thought, huh, what's this jap meme of powering up by getting bright yellow hair?

>> No.7860376

>>7858416
>Sonic 2’s Super Sonic music is the best fucking ever end of story.
Incorrect
https://youtu.be/e6lxpSIh7_U

>> No.7860417

>>7860215
>coins
Jesus Christ, anon

>> No.7860426 [DELETED] 

>>7858398
>What was people's reaction in 1992 when Sonic homaged Dragonball?

I was 11 years old in 1992. I don't think the Dragon Ball reference was noticed by a lot of people in the NA continents. Dragon Ball Z didn't become popular until the later half of the 90's.

>> No.7860428

>>7858398 (OP)
>What was people's reaction in 1992 when Sonic homaged Dragonball?

I was 11 years old in 1992. I don't think the Dragon Ball reference was noticed by a lot of people in the NA continents. Dragon Ball Z didn't become popular until the later half of the 90's. I didn't get the reference in 1992, either. I had no idea what Dragon Ball Z was until 1999-2000-ish. At that point I did get the reference.

>> No.7860430

>>7858672
Sonic gay

>> No.7860481

>>7860417
I'm sorry anon

>> No.7860507

>>7860376
I know there's a way to remove it, but I simply can't ever imagine crushing stages as Super Sonic without this song keeping me pumped. The one from Sonic 2's the same way.

The lame ones were Sonic 3 and S&K that just played the short invincibility jingle nonstop. At least 2 and Mania had designated themes.

>> No.7860540

>>7858398
I hate the sonic 2 special stages. could never see the spike balls and keep rings past 3rd level. sonic 3&K was way better and faster even sonic 1 had better stages.

>> No.7860541

>>7858398
Still one of the best rewards for doing side shit you can completely avoid. Wish more games did similar things.

>> No.7860548

>>7858789
>Pretending that things happening wrong means they are somehow not happening because of you
America failing is still America being the main character of the world.

>>7859275
>Pretending everything's alright

Nobody said everything was alright. He said America was the main character of the world and immediately drummed up sour and butthurt from all the people realizing that the USA, China and Russia have been the only three polities relevant in anything in a hundred years.

>But WW2!
Like I said, the only three polities relevant in anything in a hundred years.

>> No.7860549

>>7858398
actually sonic 2 came out 2 months or so before the super sayan form was ever shown it was just luck

>> No.7860551

>>7859798
>RIP Murica
You're not wrong. Its just going to be funny when everyone realizes that now that America has won and lost, this is actually the end of the game, not a chance for someone else to rise.

>> No.7860554

>>7858789
its cause they have varied terrain and guns,setting a shooting game in europe doesnt translate well

>> No.7860560

>>7860549
> Super Saiyan debuted in the manga in april 1991
>Release date for Sanoc Too was November 1992
Bad Anon, no treat for you.

>> No.7860602

>>7860560
goku was never depicted with gold hair in the anime though...it was in black and white

they just left it white to save time on filling the hair in black,no mention of golden hair

nice try slick but not slick enough

>> No.7860615

>>7860560
actually just checked,the cover had it in yellow,and the idea of sonic 2 was pitched in sept 1991 so it is possible

>> No.7860624

>>7858678
You might be thinking of the S3&K theme.

In S2 it loops every 20 seconds or so, but in S3&K it is 6 seconds. The absolute dumbest part of that game by far.

>> No.7860707

>>7860624
It's even worse in standalone Sonic 3

>> No.7860730

>>7858416
I didn't like that super sonic music overwrote the level music.

>> No.7861681
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>>7858398
> be me in the 90s
> Stuck on antenna
> UPN runs Ocean Dub DBZ
> Only goes up to Ginyu Force, then plays Tree of Might and then restarts from Arrival of Radditz
> endless loop

>> No.7861826

>>7858805
Same and same age.

>> No.7861843

>>7858425
>>7858430
>What is Europe and South America

>> No.7862853 [DELETED] 

>>7861681
>> be me in the 90s
>>7861681
>> UPN runs Ocean Dub DBZ

OVER 90000!

>> No.7862865

>>7861681
>> be me in the 90s
>>7861681
>> UPN runs Ocean Dub DBZ

That's so OVER 90000! 's.

>> No.7863038

>>7858398

Few children knew what Dragonball was in the UK in 1992.

Sonic 2 special stages are probably the best out of the first three games. Blue spheres is boring af and Sonic 1 special stage feels too luck based. Sonic 2 special stages aren't perfect, as they are memory based, but they'll do.

Mania special stages are better than all of the originals. They feel skill based and they're more fun.

>> No.7863226

>>7862865
>That's so OVER 90000! 's.

failed attempt at a joke. The spoiler tag doesn't work with just numbers ("000").

>>7863038
>Few children knew what Dragonball was in the UK in 1992.

Same here in Canada. It's not like Dragon Ball was completely unknown. I think the original series aired on TV. But it didn't have any of the appeal of... Ninja Turtles or Might Morphin' Power Rangers or something like that. Dragon Ball Z did'nt really get recognized until YTV Canada started airing the Oceans Dub in 1996-1997 or so? Something like that. Don;t remeber exact dates.

>> No.7863261

>>7863226
>YTV Canada started airing the Oceans Dub in 1996-1997 or so?

I just want top add. YTV started with the Oceans dub of Dragon Ball Z, but at some point they also picked up the US dub of the show as well. So they would swap between the two different dubs regularly. Oceans dub had this intro (which just keeps repeating the words Dragon Ball Z)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAOCnSKz-x8

The US intro with "Rock the Dragon":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9kN0pct-Q8

>> No.7863369

>>7858398
as a kid I just thought it was cool but we didn't have dragon ball in my country yet. so when we got Dragon Ball Z like 10(!!!) years later it all suddenly made sense and I was shitting bricks that sonic didn't come up with this but it was actually a homage to dragon ball, a manga I had never ever heard of as a kid. seriously I was shocked, it's like a joke that took me 10 years to get.

>> No.7863378

>>7858448
why only France, Italy and Spain?
also why Argentina???
why would they market it to such countries???

I mean France is big I can understand this but why Spain and Italy? Germany is the biggest and richest European country so why not Germany??? Heck why not England or the USA??? And once again: why freaking Argentina??? Can't think of a more unimportant country.

>> No.7863426

>>7860624
>>7860707
A lot of people think a song found in the prototype/PC version of S3&K was supposed to be the Super Sonic track if it makes you feel any better about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24vTB9t8KYc

>> No.7863456

>>7858672
Sorry anon if this looks gay to the viewers

>> No.7863470

>>7858398
back then, there was no internet to inform you of the current trends overseas. You had to import it or go to some video store with anime that is dubbed. Pretty sure most people outside of Asia never knew DBZ was a thing until the mid 90s.

>> No.7863503

>>7863226
>Same here in Canada. It's not like Dragon Ball was completely unknown. I think the original series aired on TV.

The original Dragon Ball series was translated to English (not all of it) in 1990 and aired on US and Canadian TV. The Oceans Group also did a dub in 1995 or so. But this series really wasn't very popular. Dragon Ball Z Oceans dub first aired in 1996 in Canada. The show always teased Goku going Super Saiyan in both US and Canadian intros, but never showed it until 2000 in the English dubs?

>> No.7863510

>>7863470
every non anglo country got a ton of anime and manga on tv before the anglosphere, this is why captain tsubasa is still so huge in south america for instance, why my austrian friend grew up watching golden boy on tv, why my uruguayan friend saw arjuna on tv as a kid
the reason for this is western networks were huge bitches about localization, while the japs didn't give a fuck so long as you paid them, they also demanded way less than a company like disney or nickelodeon in terms of fees

>> No.7863542

>>7863378
because anime didn't mean shit back then, it's not about the countries being fucking rich or important, it's literally the opposite
well aside from france who have always been advanced weebs

>> No.7864697

>>7863038
> ree, memorization bad

stfu

>> No.7864705

>>7863426
That doesn't really fit super sonic if I'm gonna be honest so I can see why it was scrapped.

>> No.7864782

>>7863378
TV standards, those countries were always much more lax to what could be marketed torwards kids compared to the more uptight US and UK

>> No.7865041

>>7863378
Things were different back then... there weren't almost pre-programmed "worldwide releases" of every major anime 1 year after its Japan debut. Sometimes, one country bought an anime, said anime became a hit over there, the neighbor country decided to buy it as well, and then the domino effect did the rest. Other times, another popular 80's anime would get bought by a single European country and that's it.