/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7836453]

>play Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver
>soul everywhere (literally and figuratively)
>incredible voice acting
>superb music
>gameplay is simple but solid
>only downsides: camera and useless skills

Then I decided to continue my adventure with Soul Reaver 2. Holyshit.

>drab
>fighting mechanics are awful, clunky
>no soul (and actual souls look worse)

Is the game gonna get better or grow on me? I just felt disgusted with the first impression.

[Anonymous No.7836470]

I honestly enjoyed only the first one. I always hope they do a remaster, or at least a version with a modern camera.

[Anonymous No.7836471]

>gameplay is simple but solid
It's a great game but the combat is repetitive.

[Anonymous No.7836473]

>>7836471
true, but somehow the second game manages to make it more complex, yet shittier

[Anonymous No.7836479]

>>7836473
It's almost like the soul was reaved from the sequel.

[Anonymous No.7836486]

>>7836479

[Anonymous No.7837401]

>>7836453
>>only downsides: camera and useless skills
I quite like SR1, but its biggest problem is that it's so obviously unfinished and not what was originally in mind. Even if you don't know the game's production history there are conspicuous oddities, and once you do you'll never be able to unsee it all.

SR2 does suck though, yes.

[Anonymous No.7838130]

the fighting mechanics in 2 are very similar except your reaver causes massive damage when your meter fills a little which is rad, not sure what you're complaining about

[Anonymous No.7838161]

>>7836453
>LoK: Soul Horrible 2

They should have stick with the original plan.

https://youtu.be/hXPeKCiIGFs

[Anonymous No.7838332]

>>7836453
Legacy of Kain in general was one of the biggest examples back in the day of a series that people played for the story. The gameplay is just block puzzles and (mostly) skippable combat (that isn't even that good to begin with).

[Anonymous No.7838334]

>>7838161
based Forever Man poster

[Anonymous No.7838360]

>>7838161
That really goes to show that you can't always adapt 2D sprite based animations to 3D animation.

Chakan on Genesis didn't exactly have many frames of animation for attacking to begin with. Like, no inbetween frames exist.

[Anonymous No.7838373]

>>7838360
It wouldn't have been impossible for someone to translate the original wonky Chakan animations to 3D while making them look good. They're very literal interpretations in that video.

[Anonymous No.7838698]

>>7838332
Yes. I regularly get the urge to play the series again, but every time I think about it, I remember what a slog most of it is.

[Anonymous No.7838717]

Hell, even the pickups/upgrades were more or less worthless.
What's the point of extending your lifebar, anyway, if the Reaver only manifests at full health and you want to have that thing out at all time and (IIRC) your lifebar in the spectral realm has a fixed length?
Or additional spell points when the glyphs are gimmicky at best with only like two that actually hurt/kill while the rest only stuns enemies.

[Anonymous No.7838770]

>>7836453
>only downsides: camera and useless skills
You forgot the puzzles, their shit

[Anonymous No.7838774]

>>7838770
>their

[Anonymous No.7838885]

SR 1 had GREAT boss design. Melchiah still looks awesome .

SR2 is deppresing

[Anonymous No.7839417]

>>7838332
Maybe. SR2 still pales in comparison to what came before it.

[Anonymous No.7839517]

>>7838885
>SR 1 bosses:horrifying creatures who used to look like you with clever strategies

>SR 2 bosses:the same ones but are just humans and is tedious as fuck

[Anonymous No.7839520]

>>7836453
If there's one thing I absolutely loved was the call back to Blood Omen 1 intro. That was awesome

[Anonymous No.7839861]

SR 2 had better dialogue and story, which really is the only thing that's truly important in the series that's known for this

[Anonymous No.7840007]

>>7839861
the generic fantasy atmosphere sucked.

[Anonymous No.7840425]

>>7838774
as if that invalidates his claim. kys.

[Anonymous No.7840658]

>>7839861
Everything about this post is wrong.

[Anonymous No.7840753]

>>7839517
Exactly. Again i must use Melchiah as an example. The design of that nigger is pure nightmare fuel

[Anonymous No.7840775]

>>7840425
>implying I implied it did
he can make his claim without being retarded, kys

[Anonymous No.7840842]

>>7840775
>my post was pointless and offered zero argument on purpose!
kys

[Anonymous No.7841090]

>>7836479

[Anonymous No.7841703]

>>7839861
not sure about the story, but the voice acting and quotes are definitely superior. Even Moebius is awesome in that game.

[Anonymous No.7841758]

>>7841703
The scenes with Mobius and Janos Audron redeems SR2 for me

[Anonymous No.7843048]

>>7838332
I came to say this. I haven't played it through in a long time, and I don't remember how prevalent they were, but even before I was conscious of thinking of games critically I was sick of the block puzzles

[Anonymous No.7843295]

>>7840753
Even if he was the first boss,he's my favourite design in the game.
He looks disgusting.

[Anonymous No.7843418]

>>7840007
How is generic setting? It had some sort of Mayan architecture fused with hellish American landscapes and besides the Sarafan stronghold which was a cathedral, the whole place felt non-European

[Anonymous No.7844037]

>>7843295
I still remember when I was 10 years old and stayed playing until midnight just to get to the first boss. Once Melchiah appeared I couldn't help but see in my mind those red eyes staring at me the rest of the night

[Anonymous No.7844083]

>>7836453
>Play Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver
>Can't kill enemies just by hitting them, attacks are only there for stuning your enemies for you to THEN throw them at something (fire, spears, spikes, etc) to kill them
This shit filtered the fuck out of me.

[Anonymous No.7844108]

>>7838717
2 of them instant kill. You want the fire, sound, and/or push.

[Anonymous No.7844127]

>>7838332
You mean soul reaver. Blood Omen was a whole different experience.

[Anonymous No.7845137]

>>7843295

[Anonymous No.7845227]

The best part about the series is that cut content is not forgotten.

[Anonymous No.7845531]

>>7845227
It's pretty hard to forget in the case of SR1.

[Anonymous No.7845891]

>>7843295
I'll be honest: I love Melchiah's design but I can't help but feel that in terms of complexity and texture quality it didn't really work out that well with the hardware limitations of its time.
Even back then I thought that the arms and hands looked less like rotten corpses and patched skin and more like muddy blobs with random protrusions and silly suction cup fingertips.

[Anonymous No.7845918]

>>7845891
Partially agree, playing on original hardware I did not even noticed those supposed to be human feature, he was creepy af but even on emulator its not obvious.
That said, the design itself is extremely cool and he looks scary even if you dont realise what those things are.

[Anonymous No.7846357]

The axed Dreamcast port more or less carried over all the physics and animations from SR1 DC:
https://youtu.be/buqmk_booLM?t=16
Seems like they used the switch to a PS2-exclusive as an opportunity to overhaul everything, which might've been a bad idea considering how subtly off the combat and all of Raziel's animations feel in the final game.

[Anonymous No.7847217]

>>7846357

Camera angles in action games used to be so comfy. I'm sick of these over the shoulder madness.

[Anonymous No.7847221]

>>7847217
>I'm sick of these over the shoulder madness.
Same, I fucking hate those games