/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7811580]

>Either spend several hundreds on Retrotink, OSSC, or Framemeister, as well as overpriced A/V cables for each console
>or hunt down and then give up space for a bulky, heavy, and increasingly rare CRT TV that you will only ever use for vidya
Look, I can appreciate original hardware autism but is it really worth all of this instead of emulating with shaders?

[Anonymous No.7811591]

worth it for me because i have the space and money. if you don't, emulation is a fine way to play.

[Anonymous No.7811610]

>>7811580
I prefer just emulating without shaders, but then I hated CRTs long before there were other options.

[Anonymous No.7811656]

>>7811610
CRTs suck, but you don't think retro games look at least a little better on them? What do you think of the OP pic aside from the weird stuff on the side of the 4k TV?
>>7811591
The thing about emulation is it really bothers me when a game is missing some inconsequential visual effects because the emulator isn't 100% perfect. I'm exaggerating a little but sometimes I'll emulate a game and then a few years later come back to see that with the updated emulator certain games look noticeably different since it is more accurate, leading me to feel as though i never experienced the game.

[Anonymous No.7811660]

>>7811656
I grew up on consumer CRTs and composite/s-video. Couldn't go back to that anymore. It's nice to look at, but if I had a big, bulky CRT again all I'd think about is getting rid of it.

[Anonymous No.7811695]

>>7811660
Completely understandable.

[Anonymous No.7811697]

>>7811610
CRTs are crap pieces of hardware yet look amazing. I don't know where I stand on it.

Like owning them is a bitch but using them is a delight.

[Anonymous No.7811719]

Do you people live in 1 room apartments in China or some shit that a single crt is some fucking atrocious space consumer? Jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.7811725]

>>7811580
>either spend hundreds to buy cables and specialized equipment
>or go on Facebook Marketplace for two minutes
Tough choice

[Anonymous No.7811734]

I'm sorry you don't remember a world before 9/11/2001, OP.

[Anonymous No.7811750]

>>7811580
>is it really worth all of this
All of what? Getting a free CRT off Craigslist and having to find some space in your apartment to put it? You really can't spare the space dude?

[Anonymous No.7811756]

>>7811580
Fuck off you nigger, yes it's worth it. You don't have to grab a giant crt I have one with a 13" screen. Emulation is for turbo poorfags and babbys first retro.

[Anonymous No.7811778]

Nah. I had a CRT and a fuck ton of consoles, bough all the RGB cables I could for each console and flashcarts and all. After all that I found myself emulating games with a CRT shader anyway. It's much less of a hassle and looks good enough, plus all the other benefits of emulation.

[Anonymous No.7811781]

>>7811660
>>7811778
Nice try with the false flag, OP

[Anonymous No.7811787]

>>7811656
>CRTs suck, but you don't think retro games look at least a little better on them? What do you think of the OP pic aside from the weird stuff on the side of the 4k TV?

Not him, excuse my meddling. I've never used any fancy connectors until the 6th-gen (when I started using component and could revisit older games). So, my mind is burned with low-quality retrogaming images from my childhood. Granted, I never had to deal with dithering, and even got the infamous Sonic's waterfall right, there's that. However, I don't thinki that's necessarily a victory. See, those games had really low resolution and color limitations, so you had two options:

a. Use RF/composite and hide away all imperfections, while turning everything else into a blurry mess.
b. Use s-video/RGB and gain sharpness, while revealing imperfections and giving everything a rough look.

Either way, we were fucked. As we've seen here in this board, there are fans of option A and fans of option B. Not that anyone have much choice. Retro games have that look and feel, and I do find many of them beautiful ("soul", some might say), but they're rough around the edges (literally, even).

Anyway, since I won't have perfection with a CRT either, I choose to not have perfection with a LCD. I have a large one and use bilinear filter (yeah, the hated) to achieve a middle ground between options A and B. Is it perfect? Of course not! But it's balanced, it doesn't matter the game: not too sharp, I can still see individual pixels, they're just not too rough; not too blurry, some imperfections were taken care of, but dithering still remains, though smoothed.

That's my long post about it! Feel free to reply. Better yet if it's not shitposting.

[Anonymous No.7811817]

>uh big bulky tv bad
Cringe zoomers. Go jerk off to your soulless shitty 4k remasters

[Anonymous No.7811870]

>>7811656
>>7811697
>CRTs suck, but you don't think retro games look at least a little better on them? What do you think of the OP pic aside from the weird stuff on the side of the 4k TV?

No. I know this seems weird to people here, but I unironically 100% like big chunky sharp pixels. Growing up I always hated how CRTs blurred things and seeing every pixel clearly like on Gameboy for example was to me always the ideal. Even knowing some developers used the CRT blur to get certain effects, I'd still just rather see them sharp. I will admit I'm a little unusual in my tastes but I also know I'm not unique.

[Anonymous No.7811890]

>>7811870
Then sharp-bilinear is the filter for you. It removes the need for integer scaling, providing even pixels and no jittering while scrolling. It adds an almost imperceptible blur to the image though. I've never seen any sharpness lovers complaining though. Give it a try.

[Anonymous No.7811893]

You don't bother with CRTs/real hardware for aesthetics. You do it for the lack of modern latency.

[Anonymous No.7811897]

>>7811580
When will the trinitron meme end?

[Anonymous No.7811901]

>>7811817
Go post letters instead of posting online, cringe zoomer. Kids and their computers...

Seriously now, anon: even if you're old, it doesn't mean you must stick to the technologies of your era if you don't want. If you like your CRTs, fine. But assuming every old person will also like it is very narrow-minded.

[Anonymous No.7811902]

>>7811897
When the poster's CRT TV dies and the "I will fix it myself" doesn't turn out like he intended.

[Anonymous No.7811905]

>>7811902
Open the tv, you get the zippy

[Anonymous No.7811927]

>>7811580
Is it objectively worth it? Probably not, but that's not the point of a hobby.

People enjoy getting autistic about it, let them have their fun.

[Anonymous No.7811935]

As one that used CRTs to play when they were the only mean to display a console (I'm getting old) I genuinely don't miss them. Emulating on a regular modern monitor is so much more convenient. The minimal loss in fidelity is worth the massive gain in convenience, at least for me. How many of you purists were born in the mid 80s or before? Is there anyone? I kinda feel most of the purists are zoomers following a trend.

[Anonymous No.7811958]

>>7811935
Eh, early 90s kid, but the CRT was my childhood tv, we didn't have an LCD until 2009. I always knew there was something different between the displays the first time I hooked my n64 up to an LCD.

[Anonymous No.7811970]

>>7811901
>even if you're old, it doesn't mean you must stick to the technologies of your era if you don't want. If you like your CRTs, fine. But assuming every old person will also like it is very narrow-minded.
it's more that zoomers can't appreciate crts than that boomers love crts

[Anonymous No.7812750]

>>7811725
Check Facebook Marketplace search CRT still cost 100+ dollars

[Anonymous No.7812962]

>>7811580
>give up space for a bulky, heavy, and increasingly rare CRT TV
There are plenty of smaller CRTs, they're more common now than the huge ones. But even the big ones don't take up a ridiculous amount of space. They also aren't so rare right now that they're incredibly difficult to find. A few years from now I'm sure they will be, but right now the only rare ones are the meme ones like Trinitrons and PVMs, both of which aren't necessary and in some cases a cheaper more common one can look better than the high end ones.
>that you will only ever use for vidya
I use my CRT for all sorts of shit. Having one is a necessity for watching VHS tapes and working on certain art projects I've done. I also get more use out of it than I do my modern TV since I play old video games way more often than new ones.

[Anonymous No.7812973]

>>7812750
Just checked, and this was only true for about 1/4 of them

[Anonymous No.7813115]

>people used to own CRTs for decades with tiny apartments or smaller houses
>same size buildings or even bigger ones have been built yet people can't find space for a piece of hardware used for decades
Stop buying more shit you don't really want or need. A CRT can fit anywhere.

[Anonymous No.7813117]

>>7811781
Your meds. Take them.

[Anonymous No.7813119]

>>7811580
I don't think it's worth it. I don't even use shaders because I realized it doesn't effect my enjoyment at all.

[Anonymous No.7813190]

The only downside to CRTs is the weight. Honestly, I feel like my stupidly wide HDTV takes up more space than my CRT.

[Anonymous No.7813225]

>>7811756
Daily reminder that flash carts and mods exist, so using original hardware is no excuse to buy old games and support the coomllector economy.

[Anonymous No.7813231]

>>7813190
I do not miss the days of buying a new CRT television, have to get the fucking thing in a car with help from salesbro, then drag the fucking thing up stairs, and mounting a brick on an industiral cage mount so it doesn't fall and kill someone.

Nah, the CRT was a pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.7813241]

>>7813231
CRTs filter non-/fit/ bros, not surprising I guess.

[Anonymous No.7813270]

>all these faggots that didn't save their tube TVs in the garage/basement
I have two Trinitrons(20 and 24 inch) and a 32 inch Sanyo. The trons need some cap work though. I need learn how to safely do that.

[Anonymous No.7813271]

>>7811580
>hunt down
consumer CRTs are still piss-easy to find. Any given day I can look at my local craigslist and see plenty of requests to haul away their CRTs. The PVM dream is long dead, but you can still get really good quality on a consumer set.

>give up space
Unless you're japanese or live in a shoebox, the "muh space" argument is ridiculous. The footprint of a CRT is not that much in the grand scheme of things.

[Anonymous No.7813313]

>>7811580
CRTs are trash, a relic of the past. There is no way I'm putting up with geometry and convergence issues.

OLED TVs with a CRT shader is the way to go. It's 2021, not 1991.

[Anonymous No.7813327]

>>7813313
>OLED TVs
asking for it. bad tech.

[Anonymous No.7813347]

>>7811580
>but is it really worth all of this instead of emulating with shaders?
It's not as hard as you think. First of all, local classifieds often have CRTs listed for dirt cheap. You know what I did though? I found someone in my area that runs a business of finding antique and retro items and furniture. I told him I wanted a large CRT from the late 90s or early 2000s, and I would pay him 60 bucks including delivery. Within a couple of weeks, he found a perfect JVC made in 2000 and delivered it up to my apartment. As for space, unless you live in a literal closet this isn't a real problem, just a rationalization. There's nothing that can replace the feeling and look of retro games on a CRT.

[Anonymous No.7813350]

>>7813313
>putting up with geometry and convergence issues.
How can you be bothered by that and have no problems playing on a flat screen? You sound like you know CRTs are better but want to find a reason to dislike them. If you're that OCD about geometry how can you stand playing on any flat screen?

[Anonymous No.7813357]

>>7813313
>zoomie doesn’t know how to calibrate a CRT

[Anonymous No.7813362]

>>7813115
People who say they don't have room for a CRT are really saying they live with their parents or girlfriend / wife and they need to ask for permission lol

[Anonymous No.7813369]

>>7811580
I have such a Sony but it only goes for like 20 euros on eBay,super sad

[Anonymous No.7813385]

>>7811580
It's not really that hard to find a CRT.
And the horror they generate from their supposedly terrible room-dominating bulk is just silly.

[Anonymous No.7813397]

>>7811580
>Look, I can appreciate original hardware autism but is it really worth all of this instead of emulating with shaders?
Unless you live in a shoebox it's a tiny percentage of your room's whole space. A LCD tv will also occupy a similar amount of space.

There are instances where it makes less sense to go with a CRT.

Also any tv released in the past ten years that has an excellent reputation for gaming will likely perform well. No need to just say "ah screw it" and go for emulation just because it's not economical or convenient for you to get lagless at one point in time, original hardware consists of a lot more than having a proper display.

[Anonymous No.7813404]

*a lot more than having the ideal display.

[Anonymous No.7813501]

>>7811935
86 here. i have 9 and 14 inch crts i’ve played retro on almost exclusively for the past few years. for me the image authenticity is only part of the draw. what i more enjoy is the atmospheric link to my childhood - sitting close in front of a screen, not on any connected technology that can distract me with notices, etc. it’s a form of escapism that i don’t find in modern games and that i find in its purest form only when playing outdated things on outdated technology. but i’m also lucky enough to have a home office with space for these weird toys. without that i don’t think i’d be able to justify the extra bulk and clutter of the tvs and systems - as is i just use everdrives to avoid the hassle of cartridge hoarding.

[Anonymous No.7813726]

Why is a crt so much more inconvenient for people? Are you constantly moving your set all the time? They are the same length, if not smaller then a flatscreen. Its only the back that takes up some additional space.

[Anonymous No.7813732]

>>7813313
Then stop playing games from 1991, zoomboy.

[Anonymous No.7813739]

I was, and still am to an extent, a CRT fan. But once I got a nice 4K flat screen I put that bitch down in the basement.

[Anonymous No.7813796]

>>7813739
>I put that bitch down in the basement.
where all the old consoles are

[Anonymous No.7813803]

>>7813726
Location is now more of a problem than ever especially when you don't live in a urban setting where these displays are more abundant in terms of availability and choice when the displays that are most coveted are decades old. Size can also be an issue if you don't own your place and have limited space.

[Anonymous No.7813897]

>>7811787
Cope

[Anonymous No.7813942]

>>7813357
Calibration only takes a CRT so far.

[Anonymous No.7813943]

>>7813362
So you're saying you are a virgin incel if you are a CRTfag?

[Anonymous No.7814212]

>>7811580
>Framemeister
>>7811610
>emulating
>>7811656
>CRTs suck

[Anonymous No.7814286]

>>7813803
I don't mean to sound rude but wtf are you talking about?! In urban areas you're going to have much more limited space per cost and there may be more trouble moving the tv (you can't just back the car up to the door and take out the tv and bring it up x amount of apartments if the only access is from a busy city road). If you live in a rural area and there's one in an urban area all you have to do is drive to the urban area once, it's no big deal surely.

But what did I expect on this website... logic.

[Anonymous No.7814293]

I used to emulate all the time, now I'm happy I can finally play games on original hardware, once this phase gets old, might return to emulation.
Overall, do what makes you happy anon, or what you can afford, at the end of the day, it's about having fun playing the games you love.

[Anonymous No.7814413]

>>7813726
>>7814286
It's really one of the dumbest anti-crt arguments that just keeps getting repeated over and over by people who aren't even thinking about what they're saying. It's like saying you hate refrigerators because they're really big and heavy.....OK but why are you moving your refrigerator around so much? Put it in the kitchen and forget about it and likewise put the fucking crt on the tv stand and forget about it.

They also never acknowledge that crt's come in all shapes and sizes, from tiny portables, desktop size, normal size, and of course the massive 200 pound behemoths they hate...but here's an idea, don't buy those and get a small one! "problem" solved.

[Anonymous No.7814450]

>>7814413
lol, right. Or like making a thread asking if it's "really worth" getting a couch and saying single chairs are almost as good and take up less space and are easier to move (though the analogy to refridgerator and couch aren't completely accurate since those are vastly harder than crts to move). If you seriously can't figure out how to move a CRT without a lot of trouble or it's just too mindblowing for you to plan and do you're a fucking retard and are nowhere near a real man.

[Anonymous No.7814489]

>>7814413
big crts are everywhere but smaller crts seem to be pretty rare in my area

[Anonymous No.7814526]

>>7814413
i think the space argument is more about having both a flatscreen and a crt, since not having the former is not an option for most people. if it was an either or affair i agree it’d be a non-issue.

[Anonymous No.7814557]

I will admit that CRTs have a certain look that filters can't 100% recreate but honestly the pros of a CRT are heavily outweighed by the cons. If I had to choose between a fancy rare CRT and an LCD with filters I'd take the LCD every time.

[Anonymous No.7814819]

>>7814557
>heavily outweighed by the cons
Such as?

[Anonymous No.7814841]

I just plug the consoles we've had for years into our current TVs. I already have the AV cables cuz we got them when we got the consoles...

[Anonymous No.7814848]

>>7814526
Yeah this. I used to live in an apartment where I had to forego having a normal TV so I could have a CRT for retro gaming. It was an okay trade-off because I almost never watch TV. Room mates would give me shit about it though kek
>>7811935
I think here it's largely a zoomer trend. There are genuine 80s/90s people who chase after CRTs but they want the high-end ones, they're the ones that made BVMs and the like so stupidly expensive. They'd laugh you off if you told people to make do with some Magnavox TV just because it's free.
>>7814489
I found a decent one for $40. It really depends on where you live.

[Anonymous No.7814907]

>>7814841
That’s great, some of us prefer for them to look good

[Anonymous No.7814951]

>>7814841
Worse than playing them on a emulator with CRT filters, unless it's a console that only has trash emulators like PS2 or N64.

[Anonymous No.7815013]

>>7814951
>N64
>bad emulation
?

[Anonymous No.7815019]

>>7811580
>Look, I can appreciate original hardware autism but is it really worth all of this instead of emulating with shaders?
>all of this
I never got rid of my CRT or any of my consoles. When I want to play them, I walk into my game room, hook them up and play them. Is my CRT calibrated and outputting optimally? I do not give a shit. All I know is it looks like ass on an LCD. Some shaders can make them look better, so if I emulate, I use them. You seem to be misconstruing people who are passionate about the technical side with the people who want to play the games.
The people who spend hundreds on perfecting output are usually only interested in having fun with the technical side and tweaking the experience, usually to try and replicate and recapture some nostalgic feeling from their childhood. When an autist spergs about masking or some other specific aspect and pretends it's the right/best way to experience a game, it's all meaningless (in terms of the game) babble that they've read online while they aren't playing games. Games aren't fun but they still love them so they instead focus on technically perfecting them. And if your hobby is increasing the quality of games, yes it's worth the money, because you're having fun tweaking shit.

[Anonymous No.7815110]

>>7814819
It's sheer size and weight

[Anonymous No.7815134]

I have what many consider to be the best 4:3 CRT ever made and I still prefer to emulate with shaders on a 4k oled. Bigger screen, better colors, perfect contrast, 4k crt royale looks fantastic, can replicate a consumer or professional set, doesn't take up additional space and also hooked up to my sound system. The only downside is the inferior motion clarity but its not that bad and BFI fixes it if you can stand BFI

And even then I'd rather have the inferior motion clarity over slight geometry issues. Shit is maddening to me

[Anonymous No.7815138]

>>7812750
>check Facebook Marketplace and search 'tv', look around until I find CRTs
>there's a dozen or so of them, none of which are more than $20 and the majority of which are free
Wow crazy it's like your experiences aren't the only ones that have ever happened and we don't all live where you live. Fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.7815149]

>>7815138
Wow crazy it's like your experiences aren't the only ones that have ever happened and we don't all live where you live. Fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.7815193]

>>7812750
>>7815138
>searching "CRT"
Don't do that. You'll just get people who've wisened up to the fact they're valuable and will try to rip you off. Just search "TV"
You'll still have to do some searching though. In my area there's very few decent CRTs. The rest are either shitty old LCD TVs from the 360/PS3 era or absolute garbage CRTs that can't even take composite inputs.
>>7815019
Post pics

[Anonymous No.7815216]

>>7815193
>You'll just get people who've wisened up to the fact they're valuable and will try to rip you off.
If you're trying to get them 80-100% off its value you're the one ripping them off lol. They paid $500 for that tv and you want it for less than $20 lol.

I mean, sure, based as fuck, but still, don't forget what you're doing.

[Anonymous No.7815308]

>>7815149
Haha ecks dee I got SLAMMED! DUH NUH DUH NUH NUH LET THE BOYS BE BOYS SLAM
>>7815193
>>searching "CRT"
>Don't do that. You'll just get people who've wisened up to the fact they're valuable and will try to rip you off. Just search "TV"
Did you read my post?

[Anonymous No.7815312]

>>7815216
>you're the one ripping them off lol
Not him, but a product's value degrades over time. It's basic economics. A TV from ten years ago is worth less than a TV made yesterday. A TV used for ten years is worth less than a brand new TV.
Also, most people try to get rid of them for free because they're huge and hard to maneuver, I've even seen people offering money for people to come in and take them because they're desperate to be rid of it. They're not worth full price anymore.

[Anonymous No.7815316]

>>7811580
I'm fine with emulation but I'm tired of pcsx2 and Play! is still a ways away from being good. No point investing in an OSSC just for one console

[Anonymous No.7815759]

>>7815312
A product's value can increase, decrease or stay around the same. Try buying a good 5 year old graphics card second hand today - you'll be paying at least about 3 times the price it was released at new because the market has gone crazy (which in a way is nice to see the zoomzooms and carrot-chasers experience this sort of regret and not always the retro gamers). Many other things increase in value - wine, paintings. The idea of something falling in price over time is a new concept.

To sum up: you are stupid.

[Anonymous No.7815803]

>>7815759
>many other things increase in value
>lists a few extenuating items which break the norm
Look around your room and tell me everything that has increased in value since you purchased it. A worldwide pandemic creating shortages of electronics is not the norm. If you buy a keyboard, a graphics card, a lamp, a book, a desk, a pool, a car, 90%+ of items will lose value progressively as you own and use them.

>the idea of something falling in price over time is a new concept
I don't even know how to address this besides saying it's wrong. The idea of technological progression lowering the quality of products while simultaneously creating immediate obsolescence of others is new but "use -> lower quality/value" has been a concept ever since tools and products were created for sale.

[Anonymous No.7815815]

>>7815134
Are you me? A fellow fv310 chad perhaps? I mostly agree with this sentiment but I still mainly use my CRT for games because my emulation hardware is sort of lacking (nvidia shield). It can for sure get a really nice image to my OLED with CRT shaders etc but it has a whisper of input lag and the overall ease of use is just so much greater on the CRT setup.

The issue with emulation is that to actually do it right imo you need a decent computer, pi type devices or android boxes etc are "good enough" for 4th gen, PS1 etc but not anything much more advanced than that. Right now I'd say the best setup would be a source with the cpu horsepower to handle demanding MAME titles etc, and ability to output VRR, to an OLED with VRR support. But even then, that takes away your ability to use BFI. So basically the best you can do right now is pricey and still doesn't tick every box. Which provides a compelling reason for keeping the CRT around because everything just werks and it looks/feels great.

[Anonymous No.7815829]

>>7811580
Or option 3...get a CRT TV, original consoles, as well as buying HDMI converters for original consoles, and buy console minis so that you can get the best of both worlds. Which is exactly what I did because with a CRT, I can still play lightgun games. But with an HDTV, I can use my capture card and upload game play on my YouTube channel.

[Anonymous No.7815842]

>>7815829
Fuckin cringe bro

[Anonymous No.7815848]

>>7811893
Wat. Smashfags raus

[Anonymous No.7815851]

>>7815803
>Look around your room and tell me everything that has increased in value since you purchased it. A worldwide pandemic creating shortages of electronics is not the norm. If you buy a keyboard, a graphics card, a lamp, a book, a desk, a pool, a car, 90%+ of items will lose value progressively as you own and use them.
I never claimed the majority of things don't decrease in value.

>I don't even know how to address this besides saying it's wrong. The idea of technological progression lowering the quality of products while simultaneously creating immediate obsolescence of others is new but "use -> lower quality/value" has been a concept ever since tools and products were created for sale.
Again I didn't say anything about use, I said by just time going by. If something has the exact same value in use, eg. a well-built house, then it shouldn't decrease in value.

[Anonymous No.7815872]

>>7815842
Nah. Everyone and my girlfriend loves my set up and play with me.

[Anonymous No.7815918]

>>7811817
Have you actually tried to pick up the TV in the OP. I did all the time, very nice TV but something that heavy and bulky is a liability

[Anonymous No.7815927]

Who the fuck cares which one you play?
If the game plays fine, and you're having fun, why care?? I don't fucking get this CRT-Not CR argument.
Just play the game and have fun!

[Anonymous No.7815929]

>>7813313
>it's $currYear, not $prevYear
>I also suck dicks btw
Every time.

[Anonymous No.7816146]

>ameriniggers never had SCART

[Anonymous No.7816169]

>>7816146
You know who else didn't have SCART? Japan. You know...the region that made 99% of all good games.
>b-b-but my epic british computer monkeformer!!!!
Put some estrogen tablets in your tea, limey. No one cares but you.
You're basically the prototype to emufags. Ruining developer's intentions with your razor sharp jaggy images and your slower speeds.

[Anonymous No.7816175]

>>7816169

composite tranny on suicide watch

[Anonymous No.7816181]

>>7816175
>reddit spacing

[Anonymous No.7816269]

>>7816175
He's a fag and SCART is based but still.
Composite is great.

[Anonymous No.7816290]

>>7816146
You can keep your SHART cables. S-Video is superior in every way.

[Anonymous No.7816298]

>>7811580
If you can't think of more than 5 retro games that you would want to play on a CRT TV then you don't belong here.

[Anonymous No.7816319]

>>7813313
>OLED
Do you even know that the scanlines and 4:3 bars will literally ruin your tv at some point?

[Anonymous No.7816335]

>>7816175
SCAT is shit and only you baguette sausage bongs used it for your slow ass 50hz Tv's while the rest of the world used Composite S-video to get 3d image out of 2d

[Anonymous No.7816337]

>>7811719 they're wagie slaves, what you can spect from the tard Land of the Free or pussyboi Eurocucks with their sitty single apartment?

[Anonymous No.7816347]

>>7816319
Lol, this is pretty sad. Just because you can't afford one doesn't mean they suck. I dare to find an example of an OLED being burnt in by letterboxing and post a pic

[Anonymous No.7816360]

>>7813313
OLEDs are pretty but they have significant input lag even with game mode

[Anonymous No.7816381]

>>7816360
? LG's oleds are something like 12ms@60hz. Is that really high? Lol. I'll take that anyday over some gay washed out tiny 27" ips gaming monitor

[Anonymous No.7816394]

>>7816360
???
OLED's have among some of the lowest delays among modern televisions. My LG is something like 9-11ms in game mode

[Anonymous No.7816427]

>>7816347
>ignoring the bit about scanlines because you know you can't debunk it
kek

[Anonymous No.7816442]

>>7816335

damn I didnt know they were that good

[Anonymous No.7816445]

>>7816427
Again, pics or it didn't happen

[Anonymous No.7816460]

>>7816442
Just look at the clay series games at SNES and even DKC
even megaman X3 on a good composite CRT looks something out of Megaman X4 til X6 art.

MM7 had its art made for composite early on but they updated it for RGB arcade machines due to power fighters series, and it still gives MM8 and MM&B art a run for its money.

90's capcom along with SNK never fucked around.

[Anonymous No.7816461]

>>7816445
What, that static content (which is what emulated scanlines are) can cause burn in on OLEDS? This is pretty well documented.

[Anonymous No.7816464]

>>7816381
Yes that's higher latency that even IPS monitors. There's a reason why competitive gamers aren't using OLEDs.
>>7816394
Modern televisions are garbage for latency, that's not exactly a high bar.

[Anonymous No.7816479]

>>7811580
>he was so starved of attention he had to create a whole new thread for a copy of his post
fuck you nigger

[Anonymous No.7816592]

>>7816479
If it is the retroarch post, is a toxic fuckfest.

[Anonymous No.7816758]

>>7816461
So basically, you can't find any examples. Cool. Again, just because you can't afford an OLED doesn't mean that they suck or people are getting ripped off for buying them.

[Anonymous No.7816761]

>>7811580
Your shader is shit though.

[Anonymous No.7816879]

>>7816758
You won't find examples of scanlines specifically because you're the one of the very few people retarded enough to use scanlines on an OLED. If you admit that static content has a burn-in risk, then it logically follows that scanlines would too. Of course, you'll deny this to protect your own ego. That's fine, the only person you're hurting here is yourself. Have fun with all your content having scanlines in the next year or so, anon.

[Anonymous No.7816890]

>>7816758
no one here said that they suck or are a rip off, just they're a shoddy way to play retro games
but i guess if i'd spent over $1000 on established cutting edge technology i'd be pretty defensive too

[Anonymous No.7816892]

>>7816758
no one here said that they suck or are a rip off, just they're a shoddy way to play retro games
but i guess if i'd spent over $1000 on unproven technology i'd be pretty defensive too

[Anonymous No.7816919]

>>7813313
>putting up with geometry and convergence issues.
....what?!

[Anonymous No.7816976]

>>7816879
Your rationale doesn't really make sense though. OLEDs end up burning in because of static, unchanging elements illuminated in the same part of the screen consistently over long periods of time. This is why news tickers/logos/scoreboxes are the most commonly burnt in things. When you consider that nobody has ever advised against watching too many wide aspect movies on an OLED or plasma, it then follows that unless your scanlined content itself had static elements that were there for crazy long amounts of time, there's no real burn in risk created in this case just like watching a movie with an aspect wider than 16:9 doesn't create a risk of burning in a letterbox since the images displayed within it are presumably dynamic enough to not be degrading specific areas/colors faster than others. If all you can argue is that using an OLED exclusively for 4:3 or wide content for thousands of hours would eventually make that part of the screen dimmer, that's a pretty weak argument since most people are using them for a variety of content.

[Anonymous No.7816984]

>>7811580
>muh space
stop living like a bug

[Anonymous No.7817005]

Also, to drive my point home - do CRT's that display only 240p content burn in the shape of thin horizontal stripes? I've never heard of that. I've definitely seen my share of burnt arcade monitors from running thousands of hours of the exact same graphics in attract mode, but never a TV that started to get stripey from playing too much 240p and not evenly using the lines, lol

[Anonymous No.7817018]

>>7816758
Retard, if you google "OLED burn-in gaming" you'll see that it's a common problem. Some newer games will change up the display, but it's a case-by-case basis. Retro games will fucking kill your OLED in no time. Yeah, the games will look nice, but have fun budgeting for a new TV every year.

[Anonymous No.7817045]

>>7817018
That's weird, directing the search to be about retro games specifically, I mostly find threads of people using older, more burn-in prone models saying they love it, it works great with their ossc, etc. So basically, you have no answer for anything I laid out there. Which is to be expected, because I'm right and you're wrong. Therefore it can be made official at this point - You have been cucked. By me, and by your uncontrollable need to cope over not being able to afford $1000 or 50" of wall space. Many such cases. Sad!

[Anonymous No.7817051]

>>7817045
Jannies, this Troll is showing his underage mind

[Anonymous No.7817062]

>>7817045
>I mostly find threads of people using older, more burn-in prone models saying they love it, it works great with their ossc, etc
so you admit that OLEDs are prone to burn-in and you're using other peoples' cope to help you cope. You just invalidated your own point.

[Anonymous No.7817190]

>>7817018
You gotta be retarded for real to think this is true lol. Or maybe just not someone who's ever owned an OLED

[Anonymous No.7817209]

>>7817190
cope harder

[Anonymous No.7817789]

>>7811719
I'm assuming the people that complain about space are zoomers who are either in a tiny college dorm or living at home and need to have the TV in their cramped bedroom rather than somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.7817790]

>>7816169
japs had JP-21 which carried RGB signals and was functionally/visually identical to SCART, just with a different pinout. Do you also think it's a coincidence that almost all old consoles could output RGB?

[Anonymous No.7817871]

>>7811580
>hundreds on Retrotink, OSSC, or Framemeister, as well as overpriced A/V cables for each console
only retards think that, just buy the damn 20 euro cable and plug it in to your tv of choice!

[Anonymous No.7817993]

>>7811580
I prefer original

[Anonymous No.7818029]

>>7816464
Youre retarded

[Anonymous No.7818843]

>>7816337
>Land of the Free
>single apartment
I think you meant 4 bedroom house for $500 a month.

[Anonymous No.7818846]

>>7811580
I just play original games on original hardware

[Anonymous No.7818882]

>>7811656
>CRTs suck

ok boomer

[Anonymous No.7818913]

>>7811580
>Playstation logos in the black bars
>FPS displayed over game
>FPS displayed at all
What the fuck? How the hell are you supposed to enjoy this?

[Anonymous No.7819141]

>>7818846
Agree. I mean I think emulation can have a place, but it's getting sad how in order to even buy original hardware anymore you have to sieve through all these junk emulation nonsense contraptions.

[Anonymous No.7819153]

>>7811870
I remember you posting this set up back in 2015....we've wasted so much of our lives

[Anonymous No.7819423]

>>7815134

[Anonymous No.7819445]

>>7819153
its not a waste if you enjoy it anon

[Anonymous No.7819862]

>>7811719
Let them be. Flat panels are for tasteless normies.

[Anonymous No.7819910]

>>7811580
>cant afford $100 upscaler
time for a new hobby

let me guess you dont even have a 1ms gaming monitor also

[Anonymous No.7819949]

>>7815134
so i'm not alone here.
I just don't collect anymore, I have a 700sqft apartment, I can't justify hundreds of gaymes when I could have them all on a pc... i am a sinner

[Anonymous No.7820230]

>>7811580
ossc and retrotinks arent several hundred dollars. wtf are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.7820335]

>>7811787
>LCD
input delay kills

[Anonymous No.7820358]

>>7811580
>Either spend several hundreds on Retrotink, OSSC, or Framemeister
imagine getting a fraMemester in 2021 when so many other, better and cheaper products exist now.
>as well as overpriced A/V cables for each console
I pay $10 for each console on S-video or composite cables.
>or hunt down and then give up space for a bulky, heavy, and increasingly rare CRT TV
CRTs aren't hard to find. Try fb marketplace, craigslist and estate sales. They aren't rare by a longshot and they're only heavy if you get something larger than 13" or if you're a weakling.
>that you will only ever use for vidya
yeah, and?
>Look, I can appreciate original hardware autism but is it really worth all of this instead of emulating with shaders?
you do whatever's most fulfilling for you.

[Anonymous No.7820734]

CRT hurt my eyes bitd, why would I back to that now?

[Anonymous No.7821592]

>>7813225
You seem to be mad about something others do and which doesn't affect you in any way. Why ?

[Anonymous No.7821597]

CRT Bros.

Stop acting like plebbiters. Don't you realize you are creating a demand for CRTs and won't be able to score on in a couple of years? STFU. Stop promoting them.

[Anonymous No.7822809]

>>7816146
I have VGA and component.
What the fuck do I need SCART for?

[Anonymous No.7822812]

>>7816347
Get an IPS 4K TV, you knob!

[Anonymous No.7823116]

>>7813313
OLED is good, and they can probably improve upon it dramatically in the future.
But without working with a cathode ray tube it still won't ever look as good as a CRT or have the same feel. That's just reality.

[Anonymous No.7823407]

>>7823116
>won't ever look as good
they look better
>or have the same feel
while true, the do have that coloured room glow the CRT's have

[Anonymous No.7823460]

>>7822812
Why would I want to get a shitty IPS tv when I have a nice oled tv? And yes, all IPS tvs suck big balls

[Anonymous No.7823612]

>>7811580
i watch dvd rips of anime and old tv shows on my crt, I just hdmi to component out my computer and play old dos games and play on emulators n shit, its really all purpose if you like the look of a crt.

[Anonymous No.7823823]

OR just buy a SNES mini and turn scanlines on

[Anonymous No.7823841]

>>7821597
so why are you mad, exactly? Responding to ads for free or dirt cheap CRTs? Because it's either that or they get left on the side of the road and break. Or are you mad at people posting CRTs at unreasonably high prices? If so, just don't respond to them.

What even is your argument?

[Anonymous No.7824893]

>>7821597
>he doesn't have 5 CRTs to last him until death

[Anonymous No.7826127]

What's that upcoming upscaler with Hdmi in? I cannot seem to find it anywhere.

[Anonymous No.7826423]

>>7811580
If I want to just enjoy the game for what it is, then yeah, I just stick with my hacked PS Vita and its myriad of emulators.

But I also enjoy hooking up my old SNES to my PVM, or my Genesis to my Retrotink & HDTV, and seeing how crisp and smooth a 30+ year old game can STILL look on modern tech.

This is similar to the difference between driving a beat-up old Toyota Celica because it gets you to your destination with pretty decent gas mileage, versus driving a 1967 Shelby GT500 because you enjoy the actual driving experience, especially knowing that a 50+ year old car can still run so beautifully.

Decades of love keep these machines running so flawlessly, and what's what makes them so fun to STILL use in their most original forms.

[Anonymous No.7826442]

>>7813313
> shaders
Look, I enjoy using HDTVs for classic games, but in those cases I love seeing them in their more pure, pixelized forms. If I'm gonna use shaders, I might as well use an ACTUAL CRT.

Why FAKE the look when you can have the real thing??

> [remembers that many Anon prefer traps & hate tomboys]
oh, I guess that explains the shaders then

[Anonymous No.7826449]

If I have the game and console for cheap then it kinda is just to make it look less bad.
Also off topic since its not really an upscaler, but is the Mclassic really worth it? It just sounds like snake oil when the Retrotink 2X already has a smoothing feature.

[Anonymous No.7826626]

>>7826442
> Why FAKE the look when you can have the real thing??

Because a super large consumer CRT doesn't exist.

A 4:3 window on my 77" OLED measures 63 inches diagonal.

Tell me where I can buy a 63" CRT?

[Anonymous No.7826854]

>>7816347
https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED/comments/agf2bf/55b7a_dark_block_issue/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
OLEDs are bleeding edge, buying them is gonna be a risk for the next few years. If you're rich enough to blow that money, go right ahead. But don't confuse caution for jealousy.
Why you'd want to see retro games at such massive sizes is beyond me. Even with shaders its gonna look bad. Those games were not designed for such huge monitors

[Anonymous No.7826942]

>>7826626
>Tell me where I can buy a 63" CRT?

crt projectors goto like 300 inches, my neighbor growing up had a 65 inch box RP crt...

[Anonymous No.7827309]

>>7826626
>63" picture for retro games
what, are you playing them from across the street?

[Anonymous No.7827323]

>>7811580
>bulky, heavy, increasingly rare CRT TV

Get a small one, get a small one, and they aren’t rare

[Anonymous No.7827505]

>>7826127
which one, there are two

[Anonymous No.7829523]

I like my crt. Are you mad? You seem mad.

[Anonymous No.7829774]

>>7826854
>B7
Yeah, I mean, there's one example of a years old OLED with what appears to be letterboxed burn in. I have a 2020 model - and it is based. No issues with IR like that after a year. I have a really nice CRT too. So basically, I never need to cope. It's nice

[Anonymous No.7829819]

>>7814413
That’s the most comfy thing that I have ever seen

[Anonymous No.7829828]

>>7819445
>>7811870

Are you emulating on a laptop with a wired 360 fighter controller?

[Anonymous No.7830068]

>>7829828
no, >>7811870, the dude playing monster world IV is not me
good game though
i was just saying playing games isnt a waste of time like some people say, although spending much time *here* could be :^)

[Anonymous No.7830135]

>>7815110
small one is comfy

[Anonymous No.7830713]

OLED TVs are the first technology since CRTs that I would say I'd acceptable for retro games. The second you plug these retro games into a flat screen you might as well emulate. Real hardware autism is for CRTs.

[Anonymous No.7830726]

The biggest reason I cling to my crt, vcr, and old video games is because I hate my life and the world around me in the current era. The more shit that reminds me of my happy youth, the happier my mood is overall.

[Anonymous No.7830758]

>>7829523
OP here. I was seething because I couldn't find a CRT but I found one the day after making this post.