ITT: Games that push their systems' hardware to the absolute limits of what they can achieve.

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Anonymous Fri May 28 18:45:25 2021 No.7806509 [Reply] [Original]

ITT: Games that push their systems' hardware to the absolute limits of what they can achieve.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 18:49:37 2021 No.7806521 >>7806509 SF2 is cheating since it's using a video processing chip embedded in the cart.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 18:52:35 2021 No.7806534 >>7806521 >utilizing a technology that the system was designed to accept is cheating

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 18:55:52 2021 No.7806550 >>7806521 Was it an FX2chip like yoshi island? What’s the difference?

Anonymous Fri May 28 18:58:46 2021 No.7806560

>>7806534
ANY system could take expansions. Sega's SVP expansion, used in Virtua Racing, was used to the same effect, to achieve far better results than any Super FX game ever did. Similarly, Doom was recently ported to the Mega Drive, using an FPGA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COSoHlJHoQE
The fact is, the entire game logic and graphics rendering is offloaded to an expansion chip on a cartridge, totally bypassing the SNES hardware, aside from using it for controller input and to display what was rendered, and thus, it is cheating when comparing to the stock capabilities of said hardware, and more accurate to compare to other expansions.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 19:45:46 2021 No.7806708 >>7806509 Star Fox 2 sure push the Super FX 2 chip to it's limits.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 19:50:52 2021 No.7806719 >>7806534 Of course. Devs could shrink a Switch cpu+gpu to fit a snes cartridge pretty well and it sure would push the snes capabilities even more.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:19:08 2021 No.7807467 >>7806719 yeah, no, that literally would not work without modifying the internals of the console and using a separate power supply

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:23:51 2021 No.7807478 >>7806509 SF2 didn’t push the snes to the limit at all. Star Ocean arguably did but even that had the s-DD1 chip which did most of the heavy lifting

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:23:19 2021 No.7807631

>>7807478
S-DD1 was just a compression algorithm. Both Star Ocean and Street Fighter Alpha 2 could work just fine with no extra hardware so long as it used a big enough ROM. The SNES never went beyond 48mbit but it easily could have if cartridge cost wasn't a concern.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:24:54 2021 No.7807634 The bigger good game the better have good to play games

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:28:29 2021 No.7807638

Games that "pushed the limits" is really vague. The SNES has some hard limits on things like simultaneous colors on screen, which a lot of games bumped up against. And unless lack of optimization was the problem, games with horrid slowdown could be said to have pushed the limits, too. Mega Man X chugs like crazy at the end of Armored Armadillo's stage. Sounds like a good candidate for "pushing the limits."

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:34:46 2021 No.7807646 >>7807467 >yeah, no, that l i t e r a l l y would not work You’re such a sassy cunt.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:39:16 2021 No.7807648 >>7806521 right, so according to you a Sega CD and PC Engine CD is cheating

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:19:36 2021 No.7807695 >>7807648 then it would be pushing the limits of those add-on hardware.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:22:59 2021 No.7807702 >>7807695 so you are contradicting yourself as the games come with add on hardware built into the chip and therefore pushing the limits of that hardware

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:35:23 2021 No.7807719 >>7807702 no. it would be just as retarded to say a mega cd game were pushing the limits of the megadrive and not the cd's hardware.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:36:34 2021 No.7807723 File: 23 KB, 382x556, nblbq53fhrq61.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7806509 There's plenty of resources https://youtu.be/RWlozlvbXk4

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:36:42 2021 No.7807724 >>7807719 wrong, a cartridge contains hardware and software, a CD is just digital

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:40:58 2021 No.7807734 >>7807724 do you not know the mega cd has its own video chip, cpu, apu from the md? it's not just a cd player, lol.

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:45:58 2021 No.7807737

>>7807734
It seems you can not read
CD games can not play without a MEGACD and it's enhancements
Starfox 2 can not play without the FX 2 chip
ergo they are both hardware components as are all games with included chips as they run in tandem with the console as an expansion
so if you take away the chips then you can't include CD attachments or any other sort of expansion chips in any other console

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:46:06 2021 No.7807738

>>7807734
I mean if you want to get technical, I can build a RaspPi into an snes cartridge that only pulls power and outputs to the video lines and uses the controllers without so much as touching the internal CPU or memory and have it play Dreamcast games. You're not pushing the limits if add ons are internally limitless.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:00:01 2021 No.7807756 >>7806509 >Pushes hardware to the limit... Contains chip that's ten times more powerful than the stock hardware.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:01:42 2021 No.7807761 >>7807756 So can I play it on a mega drive?

Anonymous Sat May 29 07:41:46 2021 No.7808129

>>7807467
>would not work without modifying the internals

Kek.
>nintendo.fandom.com/wiki/Super_FX
>Super FX content is rendered entirely on the chip, which periodically passes a finished image to cartridge RAM then to video RAM, where the image is integrated into the image rendered by the SNES proper.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 14:14:44 2021 No.7808998 >>7806521 the fx2 doesn't do visuals, it's not like a gpu. It's an extra powerful CPU.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 14:16:51 2021 No.7809007 >>7806509 Solaris for Atari VCS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f68IjW7_w98 I mean, look at this motherfucker in action!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 14:48:35 2021 No.7809107 >>7808129 yeah, the super FX chip, not attaching a Switch you fucking disengenuous retard

Anonymous Sat May 29 15:13:49 2021 No.7809196

>>7807737
you're the one that can't read. my point was add-on peripherals don't count just as much as chips embedded inside of carts like the superfx. you're not pushing the original stock hardware if you're adding extra, better hardware on top of it whether it's in add-on or chip-in-a-cart form.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 15:24:07 2021 No.7809226 File: 1.13 MB, 1170x720, image_2021-05-29_202401.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7806509

Anonymous Sat May 29 15:28:51 2021 No.7809235

>>7809107
Why would it "literally" not work? Do you think it would draw too much power? Well, put a high end snapdragon cpu in a SNES cartridge, it will work on low voltage, same as the FX chip. His point is, you giant retard, hardware has improved since the FX chip came out and will further improve as time goes on. Meaning, if these child were allowed, every console would steadily get better.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 15:49:13 2021 No.7809289 >>7809226 Truly an amazing game and the last 3D fighting game I ever liked.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 15:51:53 2021 No.7809297 File: 1.90 MB, 305x213, 1587329634337.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] More here >>/vr/thread/6350379

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 15:55:54 2021 No.7809310 Pretty much any Traveller's Tales game is this.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 16:02:25 2021 No.7809328 >>7809310 Yeah, Lego games really push the system to the limits.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 16:06:18 2021 No.7809348 File: 659 KB, 800x450, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7806509 Doom on NES. blazing fast, high res, low color but it's NES what do you expect? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzVN9kIUNxw

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 16:26:55 2021 No.7809387 >>7809348 >running off a raspberry pi >"It's not actually cheating though!!1 It's just like the superfx!" What a fucking retard.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 16:43:11 2021 No.7809436 >>7807761 Why do that, when you can play Doom instead. https://youtu.be/COSoHlJHoQE

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 17:37:09 2021 No.7809604 >>7809387 Yeah but it's running on an NES. That' fucking...amazing.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 17:41:30 2021 No.7809617 Street Fighter Alpha 3 on PS1 is a very good port that was optimized with the console's limits in mind.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 17:43:07 2021 No.7809625 >>7809235 stupidest post ive ever read. no, you cannot just create a switch attachment for a SNES and plug it in, do you even know what amps are?

Anonymous Sat May 29 18:26:00 2021 No.7809740

>>7809625
>>7809625

Yes, you can. As sure as any microchip can shrink and power consumption would follow through. It doesn't even need to run at the same clocks. You're beyond retard, but you deserve a medal from Nintendo for saying such a stupidity for the sake of their handicapped console.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 18:36:46 2021 No.7809778 >>7809740 you are so fucking dumb it's unbelievable. good luck in life, seriously, youll need it.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 18:44:39 2021 No.7809798 Rareware was good at this with Donkey Kong Country 2 and Conker’s Bad Fur Day. It was mind-blowing to go from something like Super Mario Bros. 3 to DKC2.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 30 01:00:46 2021 No.7810659 >>7806509 The PSX Crash trilogy was pretty great at showing off the PSX's potential.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 30 01:16:30 2021 No.7810682 >>7806560 the super nintendo was built to accept these "upgrade" chips in games to offset the cost and the longevity of the system instead of relying on just one standard chipset, they chose use these chips to enhance the capabilities of the system.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 30 01:24:54 2021 No.7810697 Hard Drivin' and Race Drivin' on the Genesis run pretty well

>>	Anonymous Sun May 30 02:00:28 2021 No.7810767 Street fighter alpha 3 on GBA

>>	Anonymous Sun May 30 03:30:41 2021 No.7811005 File: 47 KB, 294x400, nxfjamhdvo341.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How about this insane shit?

Anonymous Sun May 30 03:41:29 2021 No.7811023

>>7808998
dude, seriously, don't talk about things you have 0 knowledge of.
yes, the FX chips were CPUs, but they also have assembly instructions that efficiently write pixels to an on-cart frame buffer organized like SNES character data.
the frame buffer is transferred by DMA from cart memory to VRAM during V-blank.
the character data is used in conjunction with a constant background array to display the frame buffer.

read the dev manual before spewing nonsense

>>	Anonymous Sun May 30 04:51:14 2021 No.7811161 Super R-type pushed the hardware so hard it slowed down to a crawl.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 30 05:11:44 2021 No.7811192 >>7810682 >the super nintendo was built to accept these "upgrade" chips in games Pretty much any system can be "upgraded" in this way.

Anonymous Sun May 30 05:30:58 2021 No.7811214

>>7809604
No, it's running on the Raspberry Pi and then being outputted to a display by the NES... Essentially the NES is acting no different than an HDMI or VGA cable. If you removed the NES from the equation, plugged the Raspberry Pi into the TV directly, and connected a NES controller to the Raspberry Pi, then you'd get the exact same experience... Why? Because the NES isn't running the game.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 30 05:42:37 2021 No.7811226 >>7811192 I love that chips make SEGA fanboys seethe when you bring them up, shits hilarious

>>	Anonymous Sun May 30 05:50:32 2021 No.7811245 >>7811161 Seems like the Znezz was "pushed to its limits" with many such cases.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 30 08:49:30 2021 No.7811501 >>7806560 >using an FPGA Nope. Tech wasn't available at the time, so it doesn't count.

Anonymous Sun May 30 08:55:49 2021 No.7811513

>>7811023
>read the dev manual before spewing nonsense
Link to dev manual please.

>they also have assembly instructions that efficiently write pixels to an on-cart frame buffer

Mmmhmm, but does it have specialised gpu-like instructions like vector math (dot product, etc)?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 30 13:07:07 2021 No.7812051 >>7811226 How is stating a fact seething,?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 30 13:14:58 2021 No.7812063 >>7806509 Starfox 2 easily runs on the SNES Classic. If it wasn't running under emulation, it wouldn't even be close to pushing the hardware of the only system it was released on.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 30 14:53:50 2021 No.7812364 >>7811226 Why would SEGAchads seethe? We had it too with the SVP/Virtua Racing on Genesis, which was better than the SuperFX btw.

Anonymous Sun May 30 15:11:49 2021 No.7812412

>>7810682
It's a moving target though. I wonder then what counts as pushing the NES to the limits if cartridge hardware has to be eliminated form the equation. That machine was barely better than the Colecovision without any mappers. You can't do much more than Super Mario Bros. then.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 30 15:13:19 2021 No.7812415 File: 209 KB, 640x480, quake09.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7806509 Quake was the Crysis of the 90s.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 30 15:21:22 2021 No.7812435 >>7812412 Interesting that Stock SNEZ vs Stock MD would actually be slightly unfair on the SNEZ due to cartridge hardware in terms of Slow and Fast rom.

Anonymous Sun May 30 15:32:27 2021 No.7812464

>>7812435
Well thats the problem. The Genesis was engineered to be a miniature version of Sega's arcade hardware so they used a pretty fast CPU to allow pretty accurate home ports of their best games. The SNES went for a better PPU and skimped on raw horsepower because Nintendo knew that could be offloaded to the carts that needed it while shit like color palette couldn't. It's not really fair to use planned futureproofing as a point against the base unit. Saying "well what if I stick a Radpberry Pi in a cart" isn't fair. We're clearly talking about what was realistic during the system's lifecycle.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 30 15:51:07 2021 No.7812519 >>7811513 https://www.romhacking.net/documents/226/ Super FX documentation is part of Book 2.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 30 16:35:51 2021 No.7812689 >>7812415 Nope, Crysis actually looked good, while Quake looked like a pile of dark-brown pixels. I mean we had Duke3d and Tomb Rider at the time to compare with. Quake before GL version and Voodoo was a deathmatch-with-textures-disabled game.

Anonymous Sun May 30 16:45:45 2021 No.7812715

>>7810659
You're absolutely right, as they had to go to such lenghts as to pseudo-reverse engineer the console in order to get the most out of what they could render and process in their games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izxXGuVL21o
This video talks about how Crash 1 was developed alone, and i cannot imagine at what lenghts Naughty Dog back then might have gone to push their prioritary code / engine even further with the sequels and kart racer.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 30 20:32:13 2021 No.7813276 >>7806521 >SF2 is cheating Who started this autistic bullshit?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 30 20:33:22 2021 No.7813280 >>7809387 >What a fucking retard. this

>>	Anonymous Mon May 31 02:08:06 2021 No.7814019 >>7811005 I remember this advertised capability from before launch and greatly fear what few results came of it.

Anonymous Mon May 31 02:13:56 2021 No.7814024

>>7810659
They were also really clever with gourad shaded shapes. For those who don't know, any texture the PSX used was reduced to 16-bit via a dithering algorithm that also washed things out a little. But any object that was just a solid or gradient color could be done textureless and would be 32-bits of color, which would look both smooth and vibrant by comparison. Crash devs used LOADS of this to make detailed models and designed Crash himself specifically around this. Crash looks great and it was a considerable effort.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 31 02:16:58 2021 No.7814026 >>7814024 this is why i really like FF7's style. people shit on the early models, but they clearly they chose that style for many models for technical reasons, and it looks interesting

Anonymous Mon May 31 04:29:48 2021 No.7814270

>>7812464
What I meant was that a lot of SNEZ games use slow rom boards that lock the CPU to something like 3.5mhz, hampering the CPU even further.

A good example of this is the Super GnG hack by SCD which I think was converted from Slow rom to fast rom, eliminating 95% of slowdown that was found in the original release.

Anonymous Mon May 31 05:48:40 2021 No.7814417

>>7809387
it's not cheating if the SuperFX counts, which it fucking doesn't because that too is cheating. If this weren't cheating, this whole thread would be moot because any console could just be hooked up to an extension card running a snapdragon 865 pcb and suddenly play PUBG or emulate Gamecube games. The console would not be pushed by novel coding and optimization, it would be on fucking life support and used as basically just a video adapter, as you mentioned.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 31 12:26:05 2021 No.7815268 >>7809328 They do? Sorry for being ignorant, but is it due to the destructibility of objects? Or is it something else? Either way it sounds interesting.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 31 22:13:13 2021 No.7816814 bump

>>	Anonymous Mon May 31 22:14:49 2021 No.7816821 >>7806509 ga

>>	Anonymous Mon May 31 22:16:43 2021 No.7816826 File: 42 KB, 771x717, kirbys_adv_7-3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7806509

>>	Anonymous Mon May 31 23:14:35 2021 No.7816985 File: 22 KB, 480x360, hqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7816826 Fixed, save devs too.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 31 23:39:40 2021 No.7817042 >>7816985 Gall Force?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 31 23:41:00 2021 No.7817046 >>7817042 Nope, Metal Slader Glory, one of 2 games that almost put Hal out of business, the other one being Arcana.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 1 00:01:19 2021 No.7817084 >>7806719 Can this be actually done? Would'nt burn the snes down or something like that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 1 00:04:56 2021 No.7817094 >>7806560 >ANY system could take expansions Many, not any.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 1 00:26:13 2021 No.7817123 >>7806509 race drivin is insane, i mean, polygons with no chip? that's like, magic! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO6o-xmR3v8

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 1 00:34:58 2021 No.7817137 >>7815268 He's being facetious because he's a zoomer who knows nothing about TT's earlier titles.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 1 16:00:16 2021 No.7818706 Bump

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 1 17:53:51 2021 No.7819023 >>7817123 Always thought that FF-22 Intercepter was pretty impressive. https://youtu.be/Oyc38fPAMbY

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 1 18:39:35 2021 No.7819143 File: 26 KB, 369x270, Conkersbfdbox.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7806509 >Full voice acting >Big open areas >Large singing shit N64's limit pusher.

Anonymous Tue Jun 1 19:44:27 2021 No.7819332
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>>7806509
Compile always pushed the systems they were working on to their limit. See also GG Aleste 1 and 2 for Game Gear, Power Strike II on SMS, and Gun Nac on NES.

Pic related doesn't have a hint of slowdown that plagued many SNES shooters despite all the shit they get on the screen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 1 19:51:36 2021 No.7819354 >>7817084 >Would'nt burn the snes down or something like that? Not if the chip is small and the clocks are low.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 1 19:54:30 2021 No.7819372 >>7811005 will this play through the GBI?

Anonymous Tue Jun 1 19:59:11 2021 No.7819390

>>7817084
the real problem would be that the current draw would exceed the ratings of the ac adaptor and power regulator. for instance, there's a programming caution in the dev manual that says SuperFX games must not enable the SuperFX chip if a 4-tap is connected for this exact reason

Anonymous Tue Jun 1 20:11:26 2021 No.7819448
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Damn near made the poor Xbox shit its pants with how many polys it was pushing, not to mention its real time shadows, normal mapping, etc. Yes, it sometimes had issues loading all the assets at once, causing unsightly pop-in, but once they were loaded, it was a seriously gorgeous game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 1 20:37:16 2021 No.7819521 >>7819448 Doom 3 as well. The Xbox version of Doom 3 looks better than the BFG version for seventh gen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 1 20:46:41 2021 No.7819564 >>7807648 Yes. Sega CD games are NOT Sega Genesis games

Anonymous Tue Jun 1 21:34:06 2021 No.7819709
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>>7819332
They had to sacrifice much of the colour advantage the SNES usually has in order to achieve this. Picrel is only 31 colours, merely half what the Mega Drive is capable of. It's a shame Compile never ported this game to the Mega Drive or PC Engine, as they could have certainly handled more colours, and probably even more action on the screen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 1 22:47:41 2021 No.7819893 >>7819332 >>7819709 this game looks great

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 1 23:14:56 2021 No.7819946 Sadly we will never know how the real SF2 would've run on the SNES since flashcarts are just emulating the FX chip.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 1 23:27:38 2021 No.7819976 >>7819946 Couldn't you theoretically just fuck around with a Yoshi's Island or Doom cartridge and put the SF2 ROM on it using a real SFX2 chip?

Anonymous Tue Jun 1 23:33:45 2021 No.7819986

>>7819946
if an FPGA can implement the SuperFX spec, it's effectively a SuperFX

>>7819976
and this. as far as i know it was the same thing but clocked twice as fast, so it may even be possible to turn a v1 into a v2, although i've never heard of anyone doing it

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 1 23:35:37 2021 No.7819990 >>7819946 People have converted Stunt Race FX cartridges into SF2 since before the final build was out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 1 23:50:06 2021 No.7820018 File: 336 KB, 285x498, Wipeout.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7806509 I'd wager either pic/related or Metal Gear

Anonymous Wed Jun 2 01:55:10 2021 No.7820309

>>7807631
>The SNES never went beyond 48mbit but it easily could have if cartridge cost wasn't a concern.
Some magazines at the time, as well as Nintendo's own internal tools, referenced 64mbit cartridges. Of course, they were never used commercially, but they're technically possible and supported in many romhacks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 2 01:57:15 2021 No.7820312 >>7820309 with a memory mapper you could put a terrabyte on a cart if you wanted

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 2 02:19:00 2021 No.7820346 >>7819893 >>7819709 It may have been a bit on the drab side, but check out one of the coolest uses of SNES's mode 7 ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m4eB_IHqlI Easily a top 10 snes game imo.

Anonymous Wed Jun 2 02:27:08 2021 No.7820356

>>7820346
i saw that. it instantly reminded me of Ikaruga level 4 where the entire stage is you assaulting a stationary fortress from different angles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tr0wU_FKbE
i'll boot up space megaforce next time i get a chance to play some games

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 2 03:05:20 2021 No.7820418 >>7809297 Game?

Anonymous Wed Jun 2 03:07:36 2021 No.7820420

>>7816985
>>>7817046
>>7817046
Did the fan translators ever get finished and release MSG's manual which doubled as a manga prologue for this game? I don't wanna play the game until that gets done, since it's supposedly the intended intro for the game that was omitted to being the manual because of space limitations.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 2 03:50:02 2021 No.7820479 >>7819143 Not to mention that you don't need an Expansion Pak to play it like other Rare games on N64. Now THAT's proper optimization.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 2 05:52:51 2021 No.7820707 File: 2.08 MB, 508x448, 1517838243698.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The DKC trilogy looks nicer but what Toy Story accomplished was incredible. At the time it really did feel like you were playing the movie

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 2 06:07:46 2021 No.7820737 >>7806521 Like how you're utilising a cock in your ass to be an even bigger faggot?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 2 08:32:36 2021 No.7820981 >>7820418 >Game? The Adventures of Batman & Robin (Sega CD)

Anonymous Wed Jun 2 16:35:34 2021 No.7822272
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>>7806509
Only recently discovered a horizontal shooter on NES called Over Horizon. There's no UI! Most shmups will at least have your stock and weapon selection displayed. It's clear that they really wanted to fit as many detailed enemies and sets on the screen as possible. I haven't played it a ton but, it seems decent.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 2 18:48:29 2021 No.7822804 >>7812415 >Quake was the Crysis of the 90s. no that was unreal/half life

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 2 19:29:56 2021 No.7822964 >>7820707 the legs are a creative use of windowing and HMDA i'm still trying to figure out how they did the sides of the booth and cabinets

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 2 19:47:42 2021 No.7823014 >>7822804 More like Unreal since HL runs on heavily modified Quake codebase, while still sporting some neat tricks that Quake didn't have.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 2 20:19:14 2021 No.7823103 >>7822964 They're probably drawing actual skewed parallelograms or triangles using shape draws or image stretching that was possible, there is never that much of it onscreen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 2 20:22:26 2021 No.7823108 >>7823103 yeah, i'm thinking they used objects/sprites and programmatically generated the graphics data on the fly. i'd have to boot up an emulator to check which layer the sides are on to confirm

Anonymous Wed Jun 2 20:55:15 2021 No.7823202
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>>7819893
>this game looks great
It objectively does not. 31 simultaneous colours is literally Amiga-tier, and a far step below what Compile was doing on the better Mega Drive and PC Engine hardware. Picrel is Gunhed on PC Engine, which is pushing nearly double the colour count, despite being on hardware wholly 3 years older than the SNES. Better colour quality and saturation, too.
The SNES held Super Aleste back from it's true potential.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 2 21:03:27 2021 No.7823217 >>7823202 PC-98 is 16 colors and looks amazing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 2 21:51:13 2021 No.7823329 >>7823202 >The SNES held Super Aleste back from it's true potential. Guess that explains why they only made 1 game for it, and preferred the PC Engine / CD.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 2 22:19:12 2021 No.7823392 >>7823217 PC-98 is much higher resolution, so this point is moot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 3 10:51:59 2021 No.7824812 >>7806550 It is similar but not the same

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 3 15:25:27 2021 No.7825497 >>7811005 how hard is it to convert movies to this format?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 3 20:02:41 2021 No.7826437 >>7825497 https://www.gameboy-advance.net/video/

Anonymous Fri Jun 4 01:24:56 2021 No.7827196

>>7819448
Even more impressive when you take into account how absolutely fucking BUSTED the game engine is. Shit is basically being held together with balsa wood and model glue. IIRC they had to scrap development and completely rebuild the engine from scratch like 8 months from launch because they couldn't get the one they were using for the e3 build playable on stock systems.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 4 02:07:40 2021 No.7827294 >>7806719 Or you could go the lame way and just use the snes for video pass through and input grabbing. That’s all the super game boy is. You can also get a bunch of after market genesis to snes adapters or whatever that are the same idea

Anonymous Fri Jun 4 08:25:14 2021 No.7827804
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>>7820707
>The DKC trilogy looks nicer but what Toy Story accomplished was incredible. At the time it really did feel like you were playing the movie

You're goddamn right.
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>>7822964
>i'm still trying to figure out how they did the sides of the booth and cabinets

Take a look:

https://youtu.be/nXKs1ZSgMic

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 4 11:20:21 2021 No.7828205 >>7806534 I agree with him in this case. His question is about what game pushes the console hardware to the limit, not the cart. If you were comparing most advanced games released for the console, that'd be another thing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 4 11:27:31 2021 No.7828218 >>7820707 My kid loves toy story, so ive been playing this for her. It's balls hard for me, but I do a little better every time. That's the level I'm on at the moment. I can do the preceding levels with only losing one life or so.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 4 23:12:17 2021 No.7830298 Bump

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 5 02:16:01 2021 No.7830736 >>7820707 Man, it really did. That was probably the coolest level among several great ones, too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 5 05:06:43 2021 No.7830981 >>7819709 They supported just about every system, its good that they made unique games to push each system instead of quick ports. zpf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXwltySdqdU

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 5 05:14:43 2021 No.7830991 >>7830981 Why indie developers really love the color pink.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 5 05:16:00 2021 No.7830993 >>7827804 i just cracked out on this guys videos. game secrets is pretty great. very interesting, it's neat this guy seems to have done a lot in the industry but still likes to fuck around with old hardware.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 5 07:32:43 2021 No.7831237 >>7806509 >Posts a game with added hardware that pushes the system far beyond what the stock system can achieve.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 5 19:56:45 2021 No.7833325 bump

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 5 20:29:28 2021 No.7833418 >>7806560 >>7806719 Ok, but what if a cart was just extra RAM? That's what some games on the N64 did any nobody whines about those?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 5 20:51:08 2021 No.7833517 File: 110 KB, 940x940, laughing (2).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7806509 >Games that used the console as video out

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 5 21:04:38 2021 No.7833553 >>7833517 you can't deny it's a good strategy given the pace that technology advanced in that time

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 5 21:08:57 2021 No.7833572 >>7828205 If thats the case then the most impressive NES game is Super Mario Bros.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 5 21:21:26 2021 No.7833608 >>7833418 you only have to say nintendo and people will bitch

Anonymous Sat Jun 5 21:32:21 2021 No.7833638
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>>7833418
>but what if a cart was just extra RAM?

Then there is the stock console and there is the console + extra ram, which are two distinct categories. Nobody complained about it because it was wide mentioned that you needed the ram expansion in order to run some games properly.

Anonymous Sat Jun 5 21:48:26 2021 No.7833695

>>7819709
> Picrel is only 31 colours

Huh, why did they have to sacrifice colour depth for frame rate? The SNES gets its colours for free, it doesn't take extra processing power to use its colours. What difference does it make to the CPU if the SNES uses all its colours or not?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 5 21:56:06 2021 No.7833717 File: 42 KB, 500x500, artworks-000236232596-iikcbj-t500x500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7833553 >the youtube made me do it

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 5 22:06:46 2021 No.7833746 >>7820707 how many levels of parallax are you on

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 5 22:39:03 2021 No.7833821 >>7830993 Yeah. He worked on a lot of dogshit games like Rascal and post-Naughty Dog Crash, but the behind the scenes magic is pretty incredible. Actually made me appreciate boring slogs like Sonic 3D on a technical level.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 6 02:32:36 2021 No.7834335 >>7833821 it seems he's more a demo-scene kinda guy rather than a quality game designer i really like a lot of the tricks he and his fellows cooked up

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 6 03:16:59 2021 No.7834430 File: 103 KB, 360x640, s336765613645824160_p114_i1_w640.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Like Doom 3 this pushed the Xbox to the limit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 6 05:37:25 2021 No.7834648 >>7830993 >cracked out stfu shit rooster

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 6 06:09:38 2021 No.7834686 >>7834430 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNG6hOKno88 The Xbox had some amazing looking games considering it came out in 2001

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 6 06:38:13 2021 No.7834720 >>7834686 it's the normal mapping

Anonymous Sun Jun 6 16:41:12 2021 No.7836116
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>>7806509
games with enhancement chips shouldn't even count, the stock hardware can't run that.

i'm more impressed by games like DKC, DKC has an absurdly high number of animation frames and it's all stock SNES

Anonymous Sun Jun 6 16:51:46 2021 No.7836136

>>7807648
>so according to you a Sega CD is cheating
not him, but it shouldn't count as an example of what the base hardware is capable of, either
the MD/G can run many of its CD games on its own, but it would never run Soulstar because it makes heavy use of Sega CD's ASIC
>PC Engine CD is cheating
the PCE can run most of its CD games (except maybe for the Arcade Card ones) on its own with much less or simplified cutscenes and worse music

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 6 17:46:49 2021 No.7836308 >>7836116 you are impressed by big fat ROMs, got it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 6 21:36:24 2021 No.7836972 File: 378 KB, 600x615, ching-chong-potato.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7807648 >right, so according to you reading is not comprehension

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 6 22:22:54 2021 No.7837083 >>7836972 >ITT: Games that push their systems' hardware to the absolute limits of what they can achieve. >at no point did OP say base hardware maybe you're the one who needs reading comprehension

Anonymous Mon Jun 7 00:19:45 2021 No.7837351

>>7836116
The stock hardware is built to be extended. That's all a cartridge is: a separate PCB that when combined with the main PCB adds functionality to the unit. Something like the Super FX isn't meaningfully different than the actual ROM chip containing the game. Both are adding functionality to the base machine. That's why CD systems need a BIOS built in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 7 05:12:29 2021 No.7837878 File: 95 KB, 300x237, sir-mix-a-lot-baby-got-back-300x237.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7836308 Not the anon you're coping to butt

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 7 05:19:49 2021 No.7837895 >>7837083 Take your meds and think about the cope you just shitposted. If you don't understand how stupid you look call 911 and tell them it's sperg emergency.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 7 05:40:04 2021 No.7837929 >>7837895 Sorry I don’t speak in memes, can you try that again

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 7 07:10:46 2021 No.7838052 >>7811226 But he's correct. The SFX2 coprocessor is doing a lot of what you attribute as "pushing the system limits". It's more like pushing the limits of consumer electronics in general.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 7 08:54:42 2021 No.7838210 File: 75 KB, 385x500, wattanexpert.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7806521 so only 4 MBit carts, right? Since anything bigger would be "cheating" :)

Anonymous Mon Jun 7 09:35:43 2021 No.7838329

>hur dur why not just put in a snapdragon 865 pcb and run fucking doom3.
Any calling this bullshit are borderline retarded. The equivalent of this hardware as a chip inside an snes cart in 1995 at a production cost of roughly $10 would be completely impossible.
The Sega vsp was much more powerful, but the only game using it was also much more expensive...

yoshi island 2 is a better example for pushing the snes. Yes it also used a superfx but to much better use

Anonymous Mon Jun 7 09:46:21 2021 No.7838347
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Doesn't use a single mapper/helper chip like MMC3 and such. It was the most impressive early NES/Famicom game, thus only had stock NES hardware to work with like most early NES/Famicom games

Anonymous Mon Jun 7 11:18:52 2021 No.7838579

>>7811161
Considering games like Axelay, Biometal (JPN release), Macross Scrambled Valkyrie, and Super Aleste all run far better and also have vastly superior visuals, I'm going to say that R-Type 3 being so slow is the fault of programmers who were bad at the SNES.

Anonymous Mon Jun 7 11:20:25 2021 No.7838585

>>7838052
Any cartridge "pushes the system limits." When you insert a cartridge you're adding hardware to the base unit by design. Its the same principle behind a motherboard expansion slot that you'd use for a video card or whatnot. "What can just the base unit do" is answered by turning the power on with no cartridge inserted. The answer is nothing. The base unit can do nothing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 7 11:29:36 2021 No.7838610 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZIMaJnzPzw A massive open world, tons of mechanics like flight and swimming, lots of animation on the main character, and a fucking SOUNDTRACK in an Atari 2600 game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 7 11:44:09 2021 No.7838647 File: 2.52 MB, 360x270, 2BCfkBRHmbhypwvvYYHQM1phEcMZBV1GnLTj8TkdJtoRuWZEtSZ8yB.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] No other game on the Genesis has wowed me as much as this one did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 7 15:23:50 2021 No.7839208 File: 31 KB, 264x377, Ranger_X.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ranger-X. It's capable of rendering 3D wireframes during the mission briefing. The soundtrack is pretty good too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmkyHnh-lWM

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 7 15:26:24 2021 No.7839216 File: 15 KB, 220x223, 220px-Terracon_PS1_PAL_Cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Terracon. By FAR the most resource intensive PS1 game ever made. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA_e5c3XG80

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 7 15:36:47 2021 No.7839249 >>7817046 Are either of them any good?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 7 16:00:57 2021 No.7839342 Ia any nes game that causes lag from too many sprites pushing the system to its limit?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 7 16:01:32 2021 No.7839346 >>7839342 Super Dodgeball is a very demanding game

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 7 16:09:21 2021 No.7839370 >>7806521 helper chips are baste and redbulled imo id rather a slightly more expensive cart + better graphics than shell out for a whole new system

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 8 03:45:56 2021 No.7841343 File: 3.82 MB, 1536x2100, KABox.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7839342 Kirby's Adventure comes to mind.

Anonymous Tue Jun 8 03:50:35 2021 No.7841350

>>7839342
hardware sprites do not cause lag. the system can draw so many sprites per scanline, and once it has hit that limit, it ignores the rest. in no way does the system slow down when this happens.

slow down occurs when a game fails to compute the next frame before it's time to start drawing it. yes, if a game is really complicated and using a lot of sprites it could have too many per scanline, but that doesn't cause the hardware to slow down, just the software

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 8 12:17:52 2021 No.7842386 >>7813276 Me. Its literally a fake made up game that never really existed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 8 12:34:23 2021 No.7842417 >>7838585 So going by that logic - Mega Doom puts the SNEz to shame. https://youtu.be/JqMz5IXRFWE

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 8 15:08:10 2021 No.7842819 >>7809007 Another Atari game, this time on the 7800 Double Dragon really was fucking amazing for a 7800 game. https://youtube.com/watch?v=wHwslkinYJ4

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 8 16:14:33 2021 No.7843023 >>7842819 >developed at the same time as the NES >worse graphics, worse sound, worse controller Why couldn't Amerisharts into game consoles?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 8 16:19:20 2021 No.7843035 >>7843023 Everyone at a high level was a corporate executive that was wildly out of touch. Meanwhile, Japan's gaming industry was spearheaded by gamers and innovators.

Anonymous Tue Jun 8 17:01:46 2021 No.7843174

>>7842417
Yes...except that's why the question itself needs framing. Cartridges inherently expand the hardware by design. So saying "but let's limit it to..." is completely arbitrary. You could limit it to what was feasible and cost effective during the lifecycle of the system so to avoid modern homebrew but saying "X shouldn't count because the cart has extra hardware" is nonsensical. The maskROM itself is "extra hardware."

Anonymous Tue Jun 8 17:05:10 2021 No.7843181

>>7843035
The Famicom was barely more powerful than the Colecovision. The Master System basically WAS a Colecovision. The advantage Japan's industry had was its early innovators being toy manufacturers rather than software engineers. They had a better grasp of intuitive design strategies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 8 17:09:00 2021 No.7843191 >>7842417 >SNEz Uh huh, unrelated but what’s your opinion on treasure

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