/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7780478]

Why do basedfacers who use CRT shaders neglect composite output? That's a key ingredient of what games looked like back then, with the exception of some PAL fags.

[Anonymous No.7780490]

>>7780478
i can't get it to look right in genesis plus gx. i tried setting it to the composite filter and combining it with various crt filters. what setup do you guys have to make the rainbow effect?

[Anonymous No.7780509]

Fuck shaders, give me them raw pixels only.

[Anonymous No.7780635]

>>7780478
>Why do basedfacers who use CRT shaders neglect composite output?
They don't.
There are a lot of composite shaders.

[Anonymous No.7780674]

>>7780490
People have claimed success with artifact-colors but it doesn't work for me, I guess it's one of those cases where it depends on your computer specs. Fitting because your mileage will vary a lot on real hardware, right down to what Genesis model you had.
For me, the shaders in the NTSC folder gets me slight rainbows that are noticeable when you move but nothing painfully obvious.

[Anonymous No.7780861]

>>7780478
>with the exception of some PAL fags.
did burgers not use RF?

[Anonymous No.7780893]

>>7780478
>That's a key ingredient of what games looked like back then
I don't want that and not every game is "lmao dude sonic waterfall".

[Anonymous No.7780930]

>>7780478
it's universally agreed upon that RF is the ideal video signal format

[Anonymous No.7780941]

>>7780930
my dad worked for nintendo and confirmed that developers designed graphics with static snow in mind

[Anonymous No.7780943]

>>7780478
Did you run out of threads to rant about this or something lol

[Anonymous No.7780957]

>>7780478
>why do people want improvements while still keeping authenticity

[Anonymous No.7781023]

The waterfall in Sonic is the prime example of autism discussion.

[Anonymous No.7781034]

>>7780478
Looks like shit, dude. Use SCART. You know what SCART is, right? Hehe american't

[Anonymous No.7781047]

>>7781034
Do you know what 60hz is, faggot?

[Anonymous No.7781060]

>>7781047
anon, SCART does 60hz too you know

[Anonymous No.7781064]

>>7781047
The UK had a big import scene, RGB was a big part of that, so yes. We did know 60hz very well.

[Anonymous No.7781073]

>>7780478
Is this good at all?

[Anonymous No.7781092]

>>7781073
Does that have a sharpening effect?

[Anonymous No.7781121]

>>7780861
For a Genesis? Rarely if ever.

[Anonymous No.7781139]

>>7781092
If there is, I didn't apply it on myself. I used the crt-royale-ntsc-composite.slangp preset through the Vulkan graphics driver if that matters at all.

[Anonymous No.7781143]

just like buy a flash cart and play on real hardware

just like buy a wii

[Anonymous No.7781148]

Do emutards actually play any games, or do they just fuck around with settings all day trying yo get that "authentic" look? Fucking hell!!!

[Anonymous No.7781151]

Getting a retro console to look blurry as shit on a modern TV is neither difficult or expensive so why use emulators?

[Anonymous No.7781160]

>>7781143
>buy a wii
wii emulation is even more inaccurate than pc emulation

[Anonymous No.7781167]

>>7781148
You say this when the last CRT general was arguing over composite vs rgb, nes palettes, and anime
/vr/ is just autistic no matter who it is

[Anonymous No.7781169]

>>7781160
emulation accuracy doesn't mean what you think it means

[Anonymous No.7781173]

>>7781169
pretty much this, people hear accuracy and they start throwing it out there for how well it runs when it actually means copies the hardware to all faults and cycle timings

[Anonymous No.7781178]

>>7781169
>>7781173
that's what i mean, wii emulation isn't cycle accurate for anything and is thus worse than pc emulation. pc emulation isn't great but i think wii emulation people are just wii era babbies who can't let go of their childhood

[Anonymous No.7781181]

>>7781178
cycle accuracy doesnt mean it runs better, it means it runs exactly the same way real hardware does

[Anonymous No.7781184]

>>7781178
name 1 (one) difference you've ever noticed in a video game played on the wii vs real hardware due to "emulation accuracy"

[Anonymous No.7781186]

>>7781184
uhhhh, I heard an audio crackle once

[Anonymous No.7781190]

>>7781178
>just wii era babbies who can't let go of their childhood
The Wii is a great machine, don't let your retarded brain cloud your judgement.

[Anonymous No.7781196]

>>7781184
None because I don't actually play retro games I just complain about them on the internet.

[Anonymous No.7781202]

>>7781178
Your ignorance is showing. People don't recommend the Wii for emulation because they love the Wii, they recommend it because it's the most accessible way of emulating games on a CRT television at 240p with actually decent signal quality.

[Anonymous No.7781207]

>>7781202
It also supports pretty much every peripheral. Shining Force + Mouse support and Snatcher + Menacer support, who wouldn't want that?

[Anonymous No.7781209]

>>7781184
>>7781186
a cursory google search shows all sorts of problems. just because it plays those popular retro games you see on youtube just fine doesn't mean it doesn't have issues

[Anonymous No.7781218]

>>7781148
why is this always the go to shitpost for people who struggle for anything that isnt word

[Anonymous No.7781221]

>>7781209
You could say the same thing about different hardware revisions.

[Anonymous No.7781225]

>>7781221
You're right, a genesis 2 is not really a genesis

[Anonymous No.7781226]

>>7781218
Because its true. Btw, you'd better go check your filters, they might be out of date.

[Anonymous No.7781228]

>>7781225
Not with that audio. Don't get me started on the Genesis

[Anonymous No.7781229]

>>7781226
>filters
>out of date
based retarded anon

[Anonymous No.7781232]

>>7781226
>Because it's projection. you'd better go check your discs, they might be suffering disc rot

[Anonymous No.7781239]

>>7780478
>getting fucked by the WORDFILTER

remember, always spell s.0.y with dots and a ZERO instead of an O, because the jannie tranny fucked this website forever with the WORDFILTER

[Anonymous No.7781243]

>>7780478
>based

s.0.y, you meant s.0.y, but you just got WORDFILTERED!

[Anonymous No.7781249]

>>7781073
Looks weird, anon.

[Anonymous No.7781250]

>>7781232
>you'd better go check your discs, they might be suffering disc rot
I sold them for a fortune to some retards and used some of that money to buy a flashcart. You could probably find some pics of them on twitter sitting on someone's shelf if you're still interested.

[Anonymous No.7781256]

>>7781250
come on anon, you know as well as I do that all you do is shitpost all day

[Anonymous No.7781257]

>>7781221
no? hardware revisions don't mess with games to the same degree that emulation does because it's still the same console
the only outlier would be the genesis because its a horrible mess of a console. even so you're not seeing me tell people to get a model 2

[Anonymous No.7781262]

>>7781209
>I had to google because I didn't notice anything

k

[Anonymous No.7781263]

>>7781256
I've never used the term anon on here. Please take your projective identification elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.7781265]

>>7781257
Some games don't even run on the model 1.

[Anonymous No.7781267]

>>7781262
i didn't notice anything because i've never used a wii. i own real hardware and dont need to mutilate a bing bing wahoo machine into a shitty emulator

[Anonymous No.7781270]

>>7781267
uh huh

[Anonymous No.7781272]

>>7781270
i accept your concession

[Anonymous No.7781351]

>>7781272
Don't be that guy.

[Anonymous No.7781359]

>>7781239
>>7781243
They changed it again? So now onions doesn't come out as onions?

[Anonymous No.7781491]

>>7780478
I emulate on a raspberry pi and use the builtin composite output on my crt. it just werks

[Anonymous No.7781636]

>>7781491
it'd be great if the pi was powerful enough for run ahead combined with its composite output

[Anonymous No.7781645]

>>7781143
wii + crt is most pragmatic combo honestly, there's really no reason not to do it unless you still live with bossy as hell people
you're kinda fucked for 5th/6th gens though. actual hardware + flash carts add up depending on how thorough you are. gaming pcs get you the most bang for your buck, or used too until gpus skyrocketed in price

[Anonymous No.7781708]

>>7781645
5th and especially 6th gen consoles are some of the cheapest and easiest to pirate on. That's convenient because those are the ones where emulators start to struggle.

[Anonymous No.7781719]

>>7781708
it depends. a nintendo 64 + flashcart is close to $200 now. thats a bargain if you plan on playing a fuckton of n64 games but if you're only interested in a few games its just more pragmatic to emulate because a good computer is useful for more than just emulation

[Anonymous No.7781724]

Hope you americucks enjoy copeashite because that's all you deserve

[Anonymous No.7781736]

I unironically prefer composite for PS1 games.

[Anonymous No.7781749]

>>7781023
Oh, god! I can't stand talking about the fucking waterfall anymore. I joined /vr/ a couple of months ago and this discussion is one of the most repetitive I've seen in my entire life. It happens 2 or 3 times a week. I do hope it's just the samefag bringing it over and over, and that other people here aren't as shitheaded.

[Anonymous No.7781760]

>>7781736
It depends on the game IMO. Anything which uses a lot of dithering probably looks better with composite. But a lot of 2D sprite based games look way better with s-video or RGB.

[Anonymous No.7781763]

>>7781719
N64 is the odd one out because it uses cartridges and you need a flashcart.
The others from those gens generally have easy, cheap, accessible piracy.

[Anonymous No.7781767]

>>7781736
It really depends on how the system processes it, composite looks great on some systems and dogshit on others

[Anonymous No.7781769]

>>7781763
>cheap
ODE is not always cheap and lasers tend to die pretty quickly

[Anonymous No.7781794]

i say fuck real hardware, that shit is doomed to die fast.

i embrace the emulation overlords powered by reshade's CRT library that now puts retroarch into shame thanks to /doom/ anons

[Anonymous No.7781808]

>>7781794
>that now puts retroarch into shame
lol

[Anonymous No.7781814]

>>7781763
the sega saturn is in the same boat and could even be more expensive than the n64 if you want the first model that can run all games off a flash cart
honestly this is really only true for the ps2 but even the prices of those are rising

[Anonymous No.7781860]

But what of MiSTer's Adaptive Blending?

[Anonymous No.7781883]

>>7781860
lol

[Anonymous No.7781887]

>>7781209
Are you going to tell us even one thing you learned?

[Anonymous No.7781910]

I realized that it's better to just use a composite filter and drop the "CRT" aspect altogether. Now my NES games look like AVGN capture footage, and I find it extremely appealing.
If I wanted CRT I would just use the one downstairs, and honestly, I do not want to play games on a CRT.

[Anonymous No.7781914]

>>7781808
yes it is, mainly because you can combine other effects into it to get more color and halation over it, or other effects.
also Retroarch LUT works on Reshade since day 1 due to partnership, and its easy to copy the RA presets into CRTroyale reshade and even improve it from there using the source code numbers.

anon at /doom/ replicated the high quality crt used on 90's magazines for games, he isn't sharing yet out of looking at other games before its released.

[Anonymous No.7781916]

>>7781914
uh huh, sure

[Anonymous No.7781917]

>>7781916
hello retroarch dev shill

[Anonymous No.7781918]

>>7781860
Looks worse than retroarch shaders by a long shot.

[Anonymous No.7781921]

>>7781917
>shill
I have seen those Reshade filters, the shit doesn't even match the resolution right

[Anonymous No.7781926]

>>7781921
>pushing goalposts
>when 1080p monsters existed since 1991 and carmack had one for SGI

[Anonymous No.7781931]

>>7781926
>1080p
for starters it wasn't 1080p
it also doesn't mean shit because I didn't say anything about the resolutions used, I said the reshades don't match the internal resolution so it looks like shit

[Anonymous No.7781943]

>>7781931
and who cares? people are having fun with that.
also its easy to scale the internal resolution.

you are just finding ways to shill PVM SCAT shit and shit low quality CRT tv's when magazines and devs were using top of the line ones.

[Anonymous No.7781952]

>>7781943
so you went from it looks better to who cares?
damn that was fast, seems like you have no conviction in anything you say

[Anonymous No.7781964]

>>7780509

[Anonymous No.7782305]

>>7781860
Honestly awful.

[Anonymous No.7782362]

sharp-bilinear is all you need

[Anonymous No.7782381]

>>7781860
Sorry, but this is truly terrible.

[Anonymous No.7782389]

>>7780861
RF is still composite video, albeit not baseband.

[Anonymous No.7782390]

>>7781860
The basic composite blending is way better, I don't know why they bothered with that option. That being said I still play without it

[Anonymous No.7782503]

>>7781794
That looks way, way worse than royale.

[Anonymous No.7782513]

>fuck retroarch, reshade has better shaders now!
>>i don't think it does
>fuck you yes it does an anon in the boomer shooter thread supposedly has a super secret shader!
>>i doubt it
>f-fuck you shill!
>>reshade shaders are shit and here's why
>woooooow, people are having fun so who cares?

That was a genuinely entertaining exchange to watch.

[Anonymous No.7782548]

>>7781767
The Mega Drive is a classic example. The model 1 is lottery.

[Anonymous No.7782556]

>>7781267
So you don't have a clue, that's basically what you're saying.

[Anonymous No.7782558]

>>7780930
I grew up with RF and its fucking trash

[Anonymous No.7782562]

>>7781943
VGA is literally the same thing as SCART. You can use breakout cables. The only difference is the sync wires. You're a fucking moron

[Anonymous No.7782909]

If anyone was interested what that guy was talking about with the reshade doom shit, this was the example posted. To the shock of no one, it's very primitive compared to what you can do in retroarch.

[Anonymous No.7782937]

>>7782909
IDK it looks good to me, more of a good looking magazine screenshot.

Also retroarch filters sucks dick for aspect ratio, and the 41% devs on HRT treatment loves to derails threads here at /v/ to shill their broken shit when someone does a Duckstation or Dosbox ECE or dosbox-X Thread.

Or who goes into /doom/ to derail the threads because their obvious shill threads never lasts while /doom/ is there ignoring their crappy cores who doesnt even work with custom maps.

[Anonymous No.7782967]

>>7782909
Also you retroarch drones are dishonest
>>7778334

[Anonymous No.7783062]

>>7782909
You seem like someone who's desperate to win an argument that no one but (you) started.

[Anonymous No.7783280]

>>7780941
>lying on an anonymous image board...the post

[Anonymous No.7783764]

>>7782909
>>7782967
lol, that looks so terrible
why is reshade so fucking bad

[Anonymous No.7783771]

>>7782937
>Also retroarch filters sucks dick for aspect ratio
if there ever was someone on /vr/ who doesn't know what he's talking about, it's you

[Anonymous No.7783821]

>>7781121
when genesis was new hell yea we used RF

[Anonymous No.7784009]

>>7783821
But you're not a burger. You're a taco or fried chicken.

[Anonymous No.7784016]

>>7784009
Burger here, I played Genesis with RF when I was a kid

[Anonymous No.7784192]

>>7782967
>it's possible to replicate crt royale
>here's a screenshot that looks nothing like royale
Talk about dishonest.

[Anonymous No.7784282]

>>7784016
You're not a burger. If you're not a taco or fried chicken you're a roadkill.

[Anonymous No.7784729]

>>7781964
Uno menos

[Anonymous No.7785204]

>>7781184
>>7781209
>>7781267
>I'm convinced I'm right, but I have no actual examples and I have no experience with the subject either

[Anonymous No.7785207]

i'm just here to laugh at the guy whose entire life was ruined by a wordfilter

[Anonymous No.7785485]

>>7785204
Doesn't matter brah. You need to disprove every claim every dumb kid makes or they're right. Don't you know how it works grandpa?

[Anonymous No.7786323]

[Anonymous No.7786349]

>>7786323
DOS games/CRT monitors didn't have scanlines like this. 31khz monitors would have two scanlines per pixel at 200/240p

[Anonymous No.7786367]

>>7783764
because it usually doesn't account for scanlines matching the vertical resolution, and people usually don't manually fuck with it because it's a pain in the ass per emulator.

RA gets this right with minimal fucking with.

[Anonymous No.7786390]

>>7781794
>scanlines that don't even fucking remotely make sense
Your hipster movie/indie game tier "it sorta looks like a CRT iunno lol" shit doesn't make the grade.

[Anonymous No.7786483]

>>7786349
I don't know shit, I just wanted to make it look the way i like, I didn't even mean to post in this thread but in an other one on the other tab, I did a mistake, I'm retarded.

[Anonymous No.7786540]

>>7786483
Eh, just saying. You can like what you like.

[Anonymous No.7786860]

I just use an actual Genesis, (to be specific, a CDX,) directly hooked up via composite to an HDTV.

[Anonymous No.7788860]

Best parameter settings for CRT-Royale? By default all the convergence offsets are set perfectly, which I understand was often not the case on consumer televisions, so what should I set them to?

[Anonymous No.7788875]

>>7781860
its missing the rainbow effect, also horizontal scrolling fucks it

[Anonymous No.7789013]

>>7788860
just dick around with it until you get something that looks good

[Anonymous No.7789025]

>>7788875
>its missing the rainbow effect
good

[Anonymous No.7789039]

>>7788860
if you want something with messed up convergence and colors then use the xm29 preset
or just play the game instead of chasing authenticity