F.E.A.R. holds up like gangbusters. The crisp, dark shadows and dynamic lighting really make it a standout. It ran like shit on my PC back in '05 but now I can enjoy the game in all its glory and boy is it a treat.

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Anonymous Mon May 17 21:04:28 2021 No.7766463 [Reply] [Original]

F.E.A.R. holds up like gangbusters. The crisp, dark shadows and dynamic lighting really make it a standout. It ran like shit on my PC back in '05 but now I can enjoy the game in all its glory and boy is it a treat.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 21:08:56 2021 No.7766483 Imagine a board called "retro" allowing this fucking game to be posted and discussed. Fuck 4chan and their stupidity listening to a bunch of snot-nosed kids thinking their childhood is somehow "retro".

Anonymous Mon May 17 21:18:51 2021 No.7766517

>>7766483
This board never used "retro" in the correct term anyway. Retro means something new that imitates something old. R-type Final 2 is retro. R-type is not.

>>7766463
If you want a real challenge try playign the game with no SMGs and no ARs. You have to realy relay on pistols, shot guns, and really ration the grenades and super guns. Totally changes the tactics you use. Accuracy and melee kills also matter more because you have less ammo.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 21:21:21 2021 No.7766526 File: 147 KB, 1000x750, 1621228152326.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7766463 F.E.A.R. was one of the first games to use parallax mapping. It was also the first FPS I had played with full-body awareness.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 22:12:05 2021 No.7766701 >>7766517 Never did really experiment with the melee combat back in the day so I'll definitely give it a shot now.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 22:58:49 2021 No.7766843 >>7766517 How is that a challenge? The pistol and shotgun are strong as fuck. Even limiting yourself to not using slow-mo is easy as fuck on extreme. The sequels are much harder.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 23:07:49 2021 No.7766878 It's all flash. The gunplay is awesome and the destructible environments and the lighting look amazing when there's a gun fight. But then the whole game is repetitive with barely any enemy variety. Monolith's best shooter will always be Blood

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 23:09:07 2021 No.7766883 >>7766878 Blood is easily the most overrated boomer shooter. It doesn't even come close to the level design and gameplay of Duke. Even Shadow Warrior, which is a fucking meme game, soundly trashes blood.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 23:12:23 2021 No.7766898 >>7766883 Weird I always thought the opposite. Blood > Duke 3d and Shadow Warrior

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 23:12:45 2021 No.7766902 >>7766878 The variety comes from the depth of enemies ai. Boomer shitters have piss for ai so they need compensate with variety

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 23:15:53 2021 No.7766914 >>7766902 AI totally changes the fact I fight through dark offices with a bunch of hallways 95% of the time

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 23:17:16 2021 No.7766923 I'm still waiting for Shogo 2.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 23:18:00 2021 No.7766927 >>7766902 >the depth of enemies ai This is a meme. There is no special AI in fear, it's very simply scripted and highly verbose to give the impression of complex AI.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 23:18:54 2021 No.7766930 >>7766923 I'd like a shogo 2 also. But get rid of critical damage from enemys. Makes the game so random

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 23:19:10 2021 No.7766932 >>7766914 And Doom consists of the same fucking environment too. Serious Sam has two environments: dessert and stone interiors etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 23:19:55 2021 No.7766937 >>7766463 What about fear in 4k

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 23:20:19 2021 No.7766939 >>7766927 It's still more advanced then any boomer shooter ai and nearly all modern shooter ai.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 23:20:21 2021 No.7766940 >>7766932 Serious Sam 2 has greater environmental variety than any other FPS.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 23:21:22 2021 No.7766945 >>7766939 No, it's really not. It's very successful at tricking brainlets into thinking it's advanced, but it's no more complicated than half life 1's marine ai.

Anonymous Mon May 17 23:23:41 2021 No.7766951

>>7766463
Environments are too ugly and samey, level design basically doesn't matter in the game, encounters are basically the same enemies 90% of the time, weapons feel a little limp and sound pathetic for all the chaos they're flinging around. I have no idea why Fear is dicksucked so much.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 23:31:29 2021 No.7766987 >>7766927 >they programmed the AI to act intelligent so it isn't real AI! based retard

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 23:32:42 2021 No.7766994 >>7766932 Play the build engine games

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 23:34:47 2021 No.7767004 >>7766987 >program AI to spout random lines that often have no bearing on what is being done from either party >wow bro it's so realistic! Non-based retard.

Anonymous Mon May 17 23:37:38 2021 No.7767008

>>7767004
People like it because the enemy is smart with cover, terrain, tries to flank you, spreads out, etc.

You're attacking a strawmen that only likes the game for the audio.

To this day the behavior of fear enemie is still rare. Enemies just pick one spot to use as cover and more or less remain there.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 23:40:53 2021 No.7767018 >>7767008 >the enemy is smart with cover, terrain, tries to flank you, spreads out, etc That's inaccurate. You're misunderstanding how the system functions.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 17 23:41:15 2021 No.7767020 >>7767008 Fear AI seems good cause of the level design and smart objects. Every arena has like 3 ways to go around to the same place so if the ai meets an obstacle it just goes to another route.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 00:54:28 2021 No.7767270 >>7767018 Would you care to enlighten us?

Anonymous Tue May 18 00:59:23 2021 No.7767285

>To understand Goal Oriented Action Planning – and in-turn how it is used in F.E.A.R. and many other games – we need to take a look at the theory from which it derives from: an existing AI technology known as automated planning. Automated or 'AI Planning' is a process whereby a system attempts to figure out a sequence of actions that will achieve a distant goal set upon it by a designer: this is called a plan. To do this, we model the problem in some sort of language or encoding that tells us all the information that can be true about the world at that time. These are known as facts or predicates. Where a simple fact tells us something we might need to know at a later point in time. We store all of the predicates we have about how the world looks like at any point in time within what’s known as a state. For example, consider a closed Door we label as ‘Door1’. I might want a non-player character to open Door1, so I need to know in a predicate whether it’s open or closed. So the current state of our world is one closed door. Now given I have this information I can build an action that allows me to open it.

Imagine having a debate about a well documented part of a games development

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 01:01:32 2021 No.7767294 >>7767020 That complexity is part of why the game can work with only a few enemies. The objects and level are much more impactful on then boomer shooters. I'm not saying boomer shooters are bad.

Anonymous Tue May 18 01:03:33 2021 No.7767303

>>7767285
>Goal Oriented Action Planning – or GOAP for short – adapts STRIPS planning – the Stanford Research Institute Problem Solver planning system from 1971 – for use in games. Leading development on this project was Dr Jeff Orkin, the AI lead for Monolith Produtions. Detailed in Orkin’s 2006 publication at the Game Developers Conference whilst studying his PhD at MIT Media Lab, the GOAP system is driven by a Finite State Machine. A Finite State Machine is a system whereby an AI exists within one state of behaviour and then based on an event occurring will transition into another one. However, the FSMs adopted in Half Life, have over 80 unique states exist in the codebase. Although whether that state was available was determined by the type of character that the state machine was controlling. However here in GOAP, the Finite State Machine has only three states:
Moving into a position in the world.
Playing an animation.
Interacting with what is known as a smart object: an item in the world that AI characters can interact with.

Now you might be a little confused how this works, but it’s all based on a really clever observation of how non-player character AI works. If you consider an enemy in a game, all they do is play animations in certain circumstances. It’s when that animation is played in the right place at the right time it appears clever and when several clever animations are played in a sequence, it appears intelligent.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 01:04:08 2021 No.7767305 >>7767285 You see, the FEAR AI knows where the player is at all times. It knows this because it knows where the player isn't...

Anonymous Tue May 18 01:08:23 2021 No.7767317

>>7767303
>So let’s take a deeper look at how GOAP is applied in FEAR. Portions of the games C++ codebase have been publically available for some years now. First with the original FEAR SDK being released by Monolith, followed by the FEAR public tools as modders have continued support for it. And with very little effort you can crack it open in Visual Studio and read through the AI source code. So let’s walk through how GOAP is applied within the codebase and for those wanting to try their hand themselves I’ve left links in the description for you to check it out. Each AI character in FEAR that has any sort of AI, needs to have goals assigned to it. These goals are ones that the planner will run a search through the action space in order to find a plan of action for that character to execute. This applies to all active non-player characters in the game, from the soldiers and assassins to the nightmare spectres at the end of the games and even the rats that are running around on the ground, which is a super important point I’ll come back to in a minute. This means that the other characters, such as Jin Sun-Kwon and Jankowski, and even Alma herself are all scripted by designers.

Anonymous Tue May 18 01:23:38 2021 No.7767342

>>7766878
I don't understand this mentality. You just described the perfect game and said that that's bad because of lack of "enemy variety". Is this doomfag brain? I guess so. The last thing I give a fuck about in my shooters is "enemy variety". I can only think that would detract from it.
Like when john woo action is the dream... how stupid would it be to have special fat slow guys appear who are immune to bullets...
FEAR would be better without the tank cunts

Anonymous Tue May 18 01:28:42 2021 No.7767371

>>7767285
People talk about two different things. Some people think "AI" means the character doing the tip-over-shelves-to-make-cover animation. Other people understand that shooting game AI is actually the environment design and enemy behaviour working together to fight the player in a way that feels responsive.

God knows what this block quote wall of text person is trying to say since 90% of the quote content is prevarication. State a claim, cunt

>>7767305
kek. that meme is how orientation really works though

Anonymous Tue May 18 01:45:55 2021 No.7767420

>>7766914
While Duke went for the sleazy environments, Fear devs consciously picked the most boring environments like offices and warehouses to juxtapose the weird shit. It's not an excuse, it's just really weird that they wanted 90% of the game to be in the same two areas.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 01:57:26 2021 No.7767442 >>7767420 Doom repeats environments.

Anonymous Tue May 18 01:59:55 2021 No.7767447

>>7767342
The biggest failings of FEAR are the absolutely fucking embarrassing weapon animations, and the bafflingly poor level variety. I wouldn't be surprised if the former was related to engine limitations, but there's no excuse for the latter. Fortunately, FEAR 2 fixed both.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 02:06:51 2021 No.7767469 >>7767442 ...Yes and? Doom is a 1993 game whose maps were nonsensical labyrinths. I'm not sure what this has to do with Monolith deliberately picking boring everyday environments as an aesthetic.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 02:09:33 2021 No.7767478 >>7767447 But FEAR 2 was just Call of Duty with a spooky story. That's what happens when you make a game so successful that a AAA company wants a piece of it. FEAR 1 may lack variety, but it's infinitely more replayable than FEAR 2.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 02:12:14 2021 No.7767487 >>7767478 FEAR 2 is better in every way, and is much more challenging.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 02:12:21 2021 No.7767489 >>7767469 Be consistent. Either repetative environments are bad for a game and its a huge mark against Doom or its fine and its not something to bitch about in FEAR.

Anonymous Tue May 18 02:13:36 2021 No.7767494

>YOU SEE THE AI ONLY PLAYS ANIMATIONS AT SPECIFIC POINTS TO APPEAR LIKE REAL AI HERE'S A SNIPPET OF A NORMALFAG-FRIENDLY EXPLANATION OF HOW THE CODE WORKS TO PROVE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT
you don't even deserve a (you). ask me how i know you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, faggot. kys.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 02:15:37 2021 No.7767498 >>7767447 >embarrassing weapon animations Product of the limitations of having a full player character body I imagine.

Anonymous Tue May 18 02:16:34 2021 No.7767502

>>7766878
As much as I love Blood, its average enemy variety is only partially improved in Plasma Pack. For cultists, obviously.

Blood's strongest points are weapon variety, level design, visual and sound design and setting in no particular order.
There is one other thing I'm struggling to put into words which is probably best described as feedback and interactivity. When underwater with a diving suit on you see some of the diving suit's helmet, not just a filter on the player character's viewport. Similar with being set ablaze. Or being choked by a disembodied hand. A lit dynamite bundle's fuse is visibly burning out. But this is not limited to weapons or Caleb's states because this "things must be intuitive for the player whenever possible" approach is everywhere. I wonder what could be created if Monolith had modern technological capabilities 24 years ago. Although perhaps it would have died due to mismanagement and featurism instead, like some ambitions projects actually did.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 02:20:49 2021 No.7767513 >>7767489 Well, first of all, I think you're forgetting that more than one person can browse a thread. As to your dumb point, I have different expectations from a floppy DOS game, you retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 02:28:26 2021 No.7767526 FUCK!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 02:29:47 2021 No.7767532 >>7767487 I believe that taste is subjective. But I also believe that your taste is bad.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 02:35:49 2021 No.7767539 >>7766526 >F.E.A.R. was one of the first games to use parallax mapping Hitman 2 did it 3 years earlier

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 02:37:19 2021 No.7767541 >>7766902 It's cool the first time the enemies kick a table out for a makeshift cover. It's less cool the fifth time realizing that you're just going to grenade and bullet-time through every encounter anyways

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 04:06:36 2021 No.7767713 >>7766463 quintessentially retro

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 04:18:14 2021 No.7767735 >>7767532 It's as close to a perfect sequel as a game can get.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 05:04:28 2021 No.7767812 HE'S TOO FAST

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 06:07:46 2021 No.7767885 >>7766517 >This board never used "retro" in the correct term anyway. Retro means something new that imitates something old. R-type Final 2 is retro. R-type is not. Finally someone else who's not an idiot

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 07:27:24 2021 No.7768009 >>7767885 >>7766517 it wont matter though. retards will still keep insisting on using it the way it always has been here, and we will surely all have this discusion for the umpesth time

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 09:04:25 2021 No.7768241 >>7766463 >Buy FEAR Complete Pack >Includes 6 items: F.E.A.R., F.E.A.R. 2: Project Origin, F.E.A.R. 2: Reborn (DLC), F.E.A.R. 3, F.E.A.R.: >Extraction Point , F.E.A.R.: Perseus Mandate >Package info 54,99€ I'll take your word for it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 11:46:50 2021 No.7768646 >>7766517 >>7767885 Any other terminologically correct retro games besides Bioshock?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 12:32:38 2021 No.7768780 >>7767487 I gave up on Fear 2 after like an hour. It just felt like I was playing a heavily downgraded Fear, with less controls and less decent encounters. Especially coming off of Extraction Point it felt like a huge leap down in level design.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 12:35:40 2021 No.7768790 >>7766463 Stalker. Splinter cell and fear. Have the same good lighting.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 12:36:41 2021 No.7768792 >>7766463 I dont remember fear being a ps3/xbox 360 game. I thought it was earlier than that.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 13:19:16 2021 No.7768962 >>7768792 It was original xbox

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 13:26:26 2021 No.7768973 >>7767487 fear 2 is dogshit, and you're a retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 14:09:11 2021 No.7769107 >>7767539 I think you might be confusing normal mapping with parallax mapping. The latter having not been used in games prior to 2005.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 14:11:55 2021 No.7769117 >>7767487 I'm sorry anon but no. FEAR 2 is not a bad game but it lost a lot of what made the first game so timeless which is why no one remembers it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 14:16:01 2021 No.7769126 >>7768792 It was ported to ps3/360 shortly after release by a different dev team.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 14:22:20 2021 No.7769137 In addition to parallax mapping (pic related) F.E.A.R. was one of the first computer games I can recall using post processing effects like blur and depth of field. I remember stuff like that being more common on the PS2 than the PC.

Anonymous Tue May 18 14:23:43 2021 No.7769148
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In addition to parallax mapping (pic related) F.E.A.R. was one of the first computer games I can recall using post processing effects like blur and depth of field. I remember stuff like that being more common on the PS2 than the PC.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 14:28:20 2021 No.7769156 File: 64 KB, 1024x768, fear_blur.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7769148 Example of the blur effect. This killed my performance on release.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 14:29:48 2021 No.7769160 File: 99 KB, 1024x768, fear_volumetric.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7769156 Also the first game I played with volumetric lighting. Truly a game of the future.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 16:24:35 2021 No.7769534 >>7769117 You're thinking of 3. 2 is very well-loved.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 17:23:27 2021 No.7769745 >>7769534 I'm sorry anon I couldn't take 2 seriously with its dumb glowing enemies during slow-mo mode.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 17:59:23 2021 No.7769838 >>7769745 Sucks for you.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 18:03:58 2021 No.7769858 >>7766517 >You have to realy relay on pistols, shot guns Literally the best weapons in the game... pistols somehow have a better head shot kill % then any another weapon

Anonymous Tue May 18 18:12:16 2021 No.7769884

>>7766902
>The variety comes from the depth of enemies ai.

Maybe console fags thought it had great AI, but on the PC it's nothing special and very basic and easy to break. The enemies literally just spawn in place and wait for you to get to their section before becoming active, they don't any have real intelligence or tactics, it only seems that way because of the corridor level design and the devs knowing the player will have to move down each hallway to progress. Once you get to an area with stairs the AI shows itself to be the retards they are because they do not react well to having the player either being above or below their height. And there are plenty of sections where you can simply turn around and run away and the AI will backtrack themselves and reset in the their original spawn positions again, because that's all they are, robots. Very dumb robots who don't know what to do when the player isn't in their designated spawn hallway section

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 18:25:37 2021 No.7769927 >>7766463 I can agree Fear is good, unlike RtCW or Far Cry 1.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 18:27:53 2021 No.7769934 >>7769884 Sounds like you just went out of your way to have no fun. Go in guns blazing and its one of the best campaign experiences of it's time.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 18:29:52 2021 No.7769940 >>7769884 >Maybe console fags thought it had great AI Expert, veteran PC gamer here. I think FEAR has great AI.

Anonymous Tue May 18 18:31:21 2021 No.7769945

>>7769934
>Sounds like you just went out of your way to have no fun.

You can't have it both ways, you cant say the AI is super intelligent and smart and then never actually test that theory. Also if you never broke the AI even on accident in the stairwells or any area where you're above them on a balcony then you might not be very intelligent yourself, that just shows you weren't using tactics from your end

Anonymous Tue May 18 18:40:56 2021 No.7769968

>>7769945
Whether the ai is good is a comparative question. Its is objectivily better then the vast majority of games that came before it and even modern games. The fact that it has flaws does not negate this.

You seem like you are just trying to 1up the FEAR fans by harping on about this stuff like. You've already starting telling people they are not "intelligent" if they don't share your opinion. Did FEAR developers kill your parents or something?

Anonymous Tue May 18 18:52:06 2021 No.7769992

>>7769968
>The fact that it has flaws does not negate this.

The only reason you ever thought it had good AI in the first place is because of the level design. It's funny that you could actually be properly praising the devs for something they did do correctly, but instead you're still being duped into thinking it was the AI that was smart all along. The devs did a great job with the map design and AI spawn placement/spawn triggers. So much so that's it's still tricking people 15 years later, lol. But no, there's nothing special about the AI.

Anonymous Tue May 18 19:07:15 2021 No.7770040

>>7767342
It's not just enemy variety. It's the environments that are pretty much the same the whole game through. It gets boring seeing almost the same shit the whole game. The gunplay isn't mechanically pleasing. It's aesthetically pleasing and that gets boring after a while.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 19:07:33 2021 No.7770042 >>7769945 >you cant say the AI is super intelligent and smart and then never actually test that theory But that's literally every single FEAR thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 19:08:38 2021 No.7770046 >>7769927 RTCW is really good until the catacombs, and FC1 is really good right up until the trigen appear.

Anonymous Tue May 18 19:34:00 2021 No.7770127

>>7769992
The reality is that all game A.I. ever do is move around and play animations. A.I. going for cover is just moving to some position, and then playing a duck or lean animation. An A.I. attacking just loops a firing animation. Sure there are some implementation details; we assume the animation system has key frames which may have embedded messages that tell the audio system to play a footstep sound, or the weapon system to start and stop firing, but as far as the A.I.’s decision-making is concerned, he is just moving around or playing an animation. In fact, moving is performed by playing an animation.
>But no, there's nothing special about the AI.
It literally is special in how it manages the complexity of the environment and animations.

Anonymous Tue May 18 20:34:55 2021 No.7770325

>>7770127
If you had a background of playing real milsims like OFP/Arma where the AI literally has to think in a dynamic environment with no scripting and can be behave completely randomly depending on what's going on around them, or even played any tactical shooters before like the old R6, original Ghost Recon, SWAT, then you would not be as blindly retarded as you are about FEARs AI. The fact that you never even tried to use tactics against them in the first place and just ran directly towards them, which you claim is the 'correct' way to play just shows what a fucking moron you are who is incapable of thinking outside the box and challenging the AI at all. If you behave in any way that the devs didn't intend for the player to behave, or use real tactics that you be using by default in any other tactical shooter then the AI of FEAR completely falls apart. The AI itself turns off once the player is far enough way, the entire gameplay experience is based around close in meticulous scripting and spawn placement. I'm not saying this a BAD thing, this is just what the devs did to achieve a believable experience, the AI itself however is not intelligent.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 20:42:48 2021 No.7770348 >>7770325 >real milsims like OFP/Arma where th boring shit

Anonymous Tue May 18 20:46:06 2021 No.7770360

>>7770325
>The fact that you never even tried to use tactics against them in the first place and just ran directly towards them, which you claim is the 'correct' way to play just shows what a fucking moron
Woman moment? I'm not the anon who made such claims. Also, I never played OFP or Arma (because they're shitty games). I did play Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon and SWAT - all of which I enjoyed immensely.
>this is just what the devs did to achieve a believable experience
This is what matters in an action game.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 21:18:16 2021 No.7770452 >>7770360 >I'm not the anon who made such claims. You're the one that keeps responding and thinks the AI is intelligent. The enemies in the original MoH on the psx behave exactly the same way. The AI in fear is not special

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 21:54:54 2021 No.7770529 >>7770452 It's painfully obvious that you don't know what you're talking about. You believe FEAR's AI is all script when, in fact, it's complex and dynamic. Anyone who has played the game knows this.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 18 22:39:34 2021 No.7770629 everything in every video game is scripted. what the fuck am i reading?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 19 00:00:10 2021 No.7770874 >>7770529 It's not.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 19 00:09:32 2021 No.7770908 All I want from a game's AI that makes it "smart" to me is not running into my fire/running into where I obviously will fire. And they have enough sense not to do that so it plays about as realistic as I can conceive of a shooter playing

>>	Anonymous Wed May 19 00:47:55 2021 No.7770972 >>7770908 Tarkov has good AI.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 19 05:00:13 2021 No.7771423 >>7770046 RtCW is great after the catacombs too. I didn't even find the catacombs that bad but the drop in enjoyment is very real, no argument here.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 19 10:37:28 2021 No.7772036 >>7766463 I played FEAR for the first time about 2 years ago... and it has really ruined my love for FPS games, because others dont even come close to how great FEAR is.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 19 10:40:27 2021 No.7772045 >>7769126 The PS3 version is absolute shit, but still awesome because It's FEAR.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 19 13:37:28 2021 No.7772540 >>7772045 It's kinda cool how some of those advanced shooters of the mid 00s actually got ported to console. Like HL2, for example.

Anonymous Wed May 19 16:57:23 2021 No.7773054

>>7769148
>completely immersed in FEAR
>after Intense firefight marvel at the environmental carnage I have wrought
>notice that the wall holes all look similar
>can see how they did it after looking at it from every angle
>even more impressed with this game

FUCK ME IN THE ASS that is some premium technology nostalgia

>>	Anonymous Wed May 19 17:42:36 2021 No.7773173 >>7766526 >It was also the first FPS I had played with full-body awareness iron storm

>>	Anonymous Wed May 19 17:44:09 2021 No.7773180 >>7769534 >2 is very well-loved imagine believing this

>>	Anonymous Wed May 19 17:45:10 2021 No.7773184 >>7770046 >>7771423 I like the catacombs, what's the problem?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 19 17:54:42 2021 No.7773209 >>7773184 Fighting a bunch of copy-pasted damage sponges through brown corridors isn't fun.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 19 17:54:46 2021 No.7773210 >>7773173 That reminds me. Halo 2 did it as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 19 19:16:21 2021 No.7773450 >>7773209 I like how they explode

Anonymous Thu May 20 02:01:35 2021 No.7774479

>>7773184
Second anon from the reply chain here. The catacombs were good for about 2 or 3 rooms while it was still new and unexpected, also when you meet the flamer guy. Everything else was really dull and repetitive. I do not hate them but I do not relish the prospect of returning there either.

Anonymous Thu May 20 02:25:38 2021 No.7774510

I replayed FEAR recently and I agree that it holds up well, however it does begin to fall apart near the end mainly because you barely have any fights at all in favor of more walking and those gay ghost "fights". I wish the final elite replicas were a bit more than just a recolor, you fight so few of them you'd think they'd change something.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 20 05:12:53 2021 No.7774798 >>7774510 FEAR is always at its best with the straight fights, yeah. The game's attempts at spooks were real half-hearted, and the expansion packs doubled down on it real poorly.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 20 09:58:49 2021 No.7775206 >>7774798 Yet another reason why 2 is so much better.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 20 10:05:47 2021 No.7775216 >>7775206 >2 is better >with its annoying emaciated enemies that crawl out of the woodwork to try to strangle you no

>>	Anonymous Thu May 20 10:12:49 2021 No.7775228 >>7775216 >enemies that are both spooky and combat effective >non-animated "ghosts" that float towards you in a straight line and poof into smoke when they collide with you or are shot Pick one and only one.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 20 13:03:06 2021 No.7775597 File: 380 KB, 1296x1584, 1610395579159.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7769160 >>7769156 >>7769148 >Let's plaster on all these cool effects that no PC on the market could ever dream of handling well It was a different time.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 20 14:46:11 2021 No.7775839 >>7767442 t.never played past Episode 1

>>	Anonymous Thu May 20 14:48:24 2021 No.7775843 >>7775597 >sub 30fps at 960x540, medium settings, no AA Ahhhh brings back memories.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 20 17:39:56 2021 No.7776240 I used to play this on a 6600 and it wasn't /that/ bad unless smoke was involved. Smoke particles tanked performance to single digits.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 20 17:42:49 2021 No.7776247 >>7775597 Despite it's impressive tech and wonderful lighting and shadows, Riddick is a very ugly game. That screenshot looks like something out of Quake 4.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 20 17:43:20 2021 No.7776251 >>7766463 The game is boring and repetitive

Anonymous Thu May 20 17:50:45 2021 No.7776268

>>7766878
"Enemy variety" would spoil gameplay. Try imagining what that would look like. Guys with weak spots? Eh, they have guys with flamethrowers you shoot in the napalm tanks in the sequel, they aren't that fun. Enemies with projectiles? That's the robots, otherwise it wouldn't make sense in the setting. Enemies that teleport around or have weird telegraphed attacks? Shit idea -- you already have perfectly suitable cloaking ninjas. So, Monolith did the best for what this game actually is.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 20 17:51:47 2021 No.7776272 >>7766940 And it's extremely superficial compared to the original games. Fewer secrets, fewer forks on your way, exploration is very boring.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 20 17:53:07 2021 No.7776273 >>7767420 And I love fear for that. What other game does offices well? I can only think of Condemned. The emptiness with the ambient soundtrack feels excellent.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 20 18:19:50 2021 No.7776372 >>7776273 The sound design is really good. I've been replaying the game with an Audigy Rx sound card and the EAX HD option sounds awesome.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 20 20:29:30 2021 No.7776725 >>7776272 Nah, the level design is vastly improved.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 21 06:20:53 2021 No.7777952 File: 110 KB, 1000x750, 1595815611349.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7776247 Speaking of ugly games.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 21 06:26:24 2021 No.7777958 >>7767270 No.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 21 08:02:18 2021 No.7778079 >>7766927 >It's scripted >Even though it's infamous for playing out differently every time k

Anonymous Fri May 21 08:25:50 2021 No.7778108

Reminder nothing else is worth playing after Extraction Point.
>>7766526
>F.E.A.R. was one of the first games to use parallax mapping
No it fucking wasn't. Butcher Bay did it a year prior, on the Xbox no less.
>>7766883
>boomer shooter
Opinion discarded.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 21 08:33:03 2021 No.7778116 >>7778079 >it's infamous for playing out differently every time Which youtuber told you this?

Anonymous Fri May 21 13:50:58 2021 No.7778920 [DELETED]

>>7777952
That doesn't look ugly.
>>7778108
No it fucking wasn't. Butcher Bay did it a year prior, on the Xbox no less.
Yes it fucking was, retard. Butcher Bay does not use parallax mapping. It uses normal mapping.
>>7778116
>load map
>enemy goes that way
>reload map
>enemy goes the other way
No youtuber required.

Anonymous Fri May 21 13:52:29 2021 No.7778924

>>7777952
That doesn't look ugly.
>>7778108
>No it fucking wasn't. Butcher Bay did it a year prior, on the Xbox no less.
Yes it fucking was, retard. Butcher Bay does not use parallax mapping. It uses normal mapping.
>>7778116
>load map
>enemy goes that way
>reload map
>enemy goes the other way
No youtuber required.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 21 13:53:08 2021 No.7778928 >>7778116 >enemies in FEAR >react to seeing an ally get shot in front of them, choosing to stay back and camp the corner or use grenades instead of doing a conga line like a bunch of retards in every other FPS.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 21 14:01:31 2021 No.7778958 File: 35 KB, 320x320, Fear_pointman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is there ANY way to make blood decals permanent?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 21 14:13:09 2021 No.7778984 >>7778958 It's got to be possible but I'm not sure how. Maybe try looking through the config file. There's at least one mod that makes all the decals stick around but it also adds a bunch of other bullshit to the game.

Anonymous Fri May 21 14:31:45 2021 No.7779024

>>7778079
It doesn't play out differently each time per scenario, the AI has a few things it will do set to triggers that the player Hiram if the player is given three paths forward in a firefight the ai will have 3 positions it'll take in response. You could actually do this in a lot of games from ~1998 onward. Unreal had similar triggers and pathing for instance.
It is fake, but that's what "artificial" means.
Half life 2 actually has some dynamic AI that does similar things without the same preconfigured paths, but the enemies are so weak you pretty much don't notice. They just get plowed over before they have a chance to impress you.
Their call outs are too garbled too so you can't hear them say "he's flanking us" or "I'll take point" or whatever like FEAR has.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 21 14:33:01 2021 No.7779030 >>7779024 >Hiram Absolutely... Phone posting. That the player hits.

Anonymous Fri May 21 14:35:36 2021 No.7779036

>>7766463
One of my favorites!
Personally, I love walking through the same god damn corridor the entire game, walking through empty sections, only to hear radio chatter. See enemy, slow-mo

>oh shiiiiiiiitttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
>flank!
>Retarded attempt to flank
>Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!

Rinse and repeat the whole game with cringe "scary" story that fails miserably.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 21 14:38:58 2021 No.7779049 >>7779036 Wow you really captured that /v/irgin vibe

>>	Anonymous Fri May 21 14:47:42 2021 No.7779074 File: 158 KB, 1024x768, fear_14.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7779036 >cringe This post reeks of estrogen.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 21 14:48:36 2021 No.7779075 >>7779036 t. aspie that got spooked by the little girl then stopped playing

>>	Anonymous Fri May 21 14:54:43 2021 No.7779089 >>7766517 The pistol and shotgun are the best guns in the game though

>>	Anonymous Fri May 21 14:59:52 2021 No.7779097 >>7779089 I thought the railgun sniper rifle was honestly the best despite ammo shortages. Is it viable to try to take down power armor with a shotgun or is it suicide?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 21 17:13:14 2021 No.7779493 >>7778924 >That doesn't look ugly. I too love the plastic action figure aesthetic.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 21 17:21:13 2021 No.7779508 >>7779493 >muh plastic I don't care about your shit opinion. I know, firsthand, that F.E.A.R. looks good.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 21 17:40:04 2021 No.7779554 File: 484 KB, 2560x1024, orange.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7779508 Not an opinion, that's just a straight fact. I don't even hate it, but it is what it is.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 21 22:20:59 2021 No.7780386 >>7778928 That's not how the AI works lmao.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 21 22:52:40 2021 No.7780472 >>7766463 Thanks for the thread, anon. Got me to replay it again.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 21 22:58:46 2021 No.7780498 >>7780386 >lmao This is literally how the AI in F.E.A.R. works: http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~jorkin/gdc2006_orkin_jeff_fear.pdf

>>	Anonymous Sat May 22 00:13:38 2021 No.7780652 File: 363 KB, 1440x2160, new retro game.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7767885 Oh ok in that case Door Kickers is a good game.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 22 00:31:18 2021 No.7780697 >>7780498 You said that it plays out differently every time. Literally nothing in your link supports that assertion at all. You just fucked up your own argument, nice job.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 22 02:27:34 2021 No.7780913 File: 92 KB, 682x394, Screenshot_2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7780697 Oh really?.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 22 03:08:19 2021 No.7780997 >>7778958 Rivarez mod

>>	Anonymous Sat May 22 03:31:38 2021 No.7781050 >>7780913 That doesn't support your claims even in the slightest. Why do fearfags always choose this hill to die on?

Anonymous Sat May 22 03:31:56 2021 No.7781051

i'm not reading the whole argument between you two but I just want to give my anecdote - i've mentioned on here before - i played one single corridor in the demo something like ... at least 500 times. 10x per day for several months.
versing the same 5 guys who spawn/activate as i pass the same point.
And i never found it boring because I could never just kill them by lining up where I knew they'd go.
There's some movie where someone does that - just replay (including performing your own actions the same) until you have foresight of how enemies are going to react and so you place your next shot where they're gonna go - you can't do that in FEAR

Anonymous Sat May 22 09:24:47 2021 No.7781691

This thread finally got me to play a little bit more of FEAR, got bored instantly within 10 minutes. Doesn't matter how "smart" or "reactive" the AI is, the world is boring as shit. FEAR's combat is the only thing it has going for it, and even that gets stale quickly.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 22 11:50:15 2021 No.7782018 >>7766463 FEAR 4 early access webms >>>/wsg/3944838 >>>/wsg/3944845 >>>/wsg/3944848 >>>/wsg/3944852 Not long now bros.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 22 13:09:07 2021 No.7782247 >>7782018 >sprinting >stamina bar >no sign of leaning around corners Fucking dropped

>>	Anonymous Sat May 22 13:58:11 2021 No.7782371 >>7782247 That ain't Fear. Looks like Trepang2.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 22 16:19:53 2021 No.7782747 >>7780697 >You said that it plays out differently every time You're replying to the wrong anon. Besides. >>7778924

>>	Anonymous Sat May 22 16:23:47 2021 No.7782760 >>7782747 >enemy goes left >enemy goes right >it's different every time! :^)

>>	Anonymous Sat May 22 18:36:29 2021 No.7783162 >>7782760 >Enemy takes cover >Enemy flanks >Enemy knocks over object >Enemy tosses a grenade Yes.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 23 00:43:05 2021 No.7784206 >>7783162 Reality: >player enters scripted activation radius >enemies approach and start spouting off voice lines as player activates slow-mo and instantly guns them all down Wow.

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