/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7754167]

Why do these two games fall apart completely after the first disc?

[Anonymous No.7754169]

but these two are the only good 3D final fantasy games

[Anonymous No.7754235]

>>7754167
Because you got F.I.L.T.E.R.E.D.

[Anonymous No.7754238]

>>7754167
They don't end up that bad, but no surprise nothing could touch the perfection that is 7.

[Anonymous No.7754239]

>>7754167
all final fantasy games have a strong beginning but quickly fall apart

[Anonymous No.7754243]

>>7754167
Because 8's gameplay loops is based around not playing the game, and the story isn't strong enough to carry it.

9, however, has a better gameplay loop and the story is definitely better, so I'm unsure why you would say it falls apart except for the fact you didn't like the story or you feel it takes too long.

[Anonymous No.7754282]

>>7754167
I thought only GC disc fell apart. Because of disc rot. At least that's what youtube told me.

[Anonymous No.7754542]

>>7754167
9 is great until the end of the second disc. Drops from the beginning of disc 3 on but is still passable, and then falls apart when you're fighting space monkeys on the moon, and Zidane becomes a generic emo weeb protag for no reason at all who overcomes everything with the power of friendship.
Nothing about 8 ever makes any sense or is logical in any way to begin with so it can't really fall apart. You just accept what it is or drop it very quickly.

[Anonymous No.7754652]

>>7754243
>Because 8's gameplay loops is based around not playing the game
not exactly accurate. a gameplay loop is the game. you mean playing the gameplay loop doesn't advance the progress. which is intentional
>>7754542
>Nothing about 8 ever makes any sense
it's simple. squall is the type of character to retreat into his shell and not care about the outside world ("whatever..."). thus it is in character for him to retreat into a card game and become idle. however, fortunately for squall. his time spent playing cards is not for nothing... since -at least in squalls mind and the game world- guardian angels are actually cards, monsters are cards, and so is everything else.

[Anonymous No.7754667]

>>7754542
It slows down and gets a bit weaker with CD3, but I wouldn't say it falls apart. I agree on Zidanes emo phase, it almost feels out of character and really forced.
I fully agree with FF8. What where they thinking when they wrote this plot.

[Anonymous No.7754719]

>>7754652
>character to retreat into his shell and not care about the outside world ("whatever...").
That is the american squall, so your theory is wrong already.

[Anonymous No.7755031]

in terms of story I think they could have ended 9 better. Pacing also gets a little weird towards the end. it's still a great game and one of my all time favorites.

[Anonymous No.7755115]

yo what's up with IX's insane encounter rate? not only are battles slow as fuck, but also there are tons of them.

At least there's plenty of butt

[Anonymous No.7755287]

>>7754167
FF8 was GOAT up until disc 1, then went to absolutely shit. I have no idea either but I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed this. It should've ended at disc 1 with Squall dying

[Anonymous No.7755487]

>>7754667
It's less it slows down and more everything that's happened up to now has got fuck all to do with the plot anymore. The game has just handed you two very late game characters who are in dire need of levelling and obtaining abilities, one of which has less than nothing to do with the game's story and while the second half of the game isn't terrible, it's not building on anything the first half established.

[Anonymous No.7755662]

>>7754542
>>7754667
Garland tried to wipe Zidane's personality/will away, because he was a "failed" genome, like Kuja. That's why he acted like an asshole, the spark was taken out leaving just negative memories of what he had done in life. The game's theme isn't just life and death but also memory. Just saying, that's why he suddenly became NOT-Zidane. He was right on the edge of death, for all intents and purposes(ego death) and his friends in combat come in to yank his crybaby ass up out of the mud like he had done them.

[Anonymous No.7755685]

>>7754167
9 does not but I have yet to play 8.

[Anonymous No.7755787]

Because both games END with the first disc. In FFVIII, Squall is killed when he is skewered with icicles by the sorceress Edea, the rest of the game is a dream of the Fayth intended to fill a cosmic void or some such. In FFIX, Belatrix murders your party in cold blood for daring to kidnap the royal princess. No trial, no jury, and everything that follows exists simply to justify the price of the game.

[Anonymous No.7757378]

I have no idea how anybody could hate ff8. Even if you argue muh battle system like whats your fucking point? The only reason you know that monster are getting stronger with you is because you googled it like a fag on top of that most ff games are too easy anyway so there is literally nothing bad about it. Draw system is also alright since you aren't supposed to autistically draw 100 of each to break the game. Fucking retarded community. I'm glad I stopped caring about ff since sqnix took over

[Anonymous No.7757478]

>>7754238
Unironically this.

The plot twist in VII was so weird and good they tried desperately to recreate that feeling in VIII and IX. It fell flat though.

[Anonymous No.7757505]

>>7754167
8 has idiotic junction system. and no, the junciton system isn't deep or complicated. it's just idiotic that you can be rewarded best if you draw then run away from battle.

and 9 had a world map but didn't feel like an open explorable world.

both games have real problems but they are both still very good games...uhh yeah i feel this is still true.

[Anonymous No.7757527]

>>7757505
junction system is incredibly deep. As I pointed out, squall is an escapist. running away and playing cards is perfectly in character for him.

so is your guardan angel (or guardian force as known by this game) or gf, being junctioned to yourself. your spirit is a monster card you have attached to your soul. that's deep.

[Anonymous No.7757539]

>>7757478
>The plot twist in VII

which one

[Anonymous No.7757568]

>>7757527
>junction system is incredibly deep
deep as in "junction your strongest spell to STR"

[Anonymous No.7757573]

>>7757539
The one where Aeris was proven to be a tranny

[Anonymous No.7757574]

>>7757568
the mechanics are simple, the lore is deep.

[Anonymous No.7757645]

>>7757539
The actual twist, not the one the internet memed about for 25 years

[Anonymous No.7758239]

>>7754282
Disc rot became a popular meme because of how smokers/niggers were treating their PS1 discs.

[Anonymous No.7758494]

>>7754542
Ah yes, Zidane's emo phase that lasted all of 4 screens.

[Anonymous No.7758530]

>>7757539
I was referring to Cloud being and off-his-meds schizophrenic clone but-not-really.

[Anonymous No.7758550]

>>7758494
>Counts screens

This is a net positive because it gave us one of the best tracks in the game though.

[Anonymous No.7758597]

>>7757378
>Draw system is also alright since you aren't supposed to autistically draw 100 of each to break the game.
The game makes it pretty obvious that drawing magic makes you stronger a lot faster than killing enemies. Plus it's not like other FF games where you can just sleep at an inn to replenish your MP; you have to keep drawing magic if you want to keep using it. It also really doesn't help that you can only draw certain magic from certain monsters, and sometimes (especially with bosses) that magic will be rare. So it makes sense to stockpile as much as you can.

[Anonymous No.7758672]

>>7754167
Why is she so god damn short? He looks like 13.

Imagine unironically playing a manlet as the MC. Yikes.

[Anonymous No.7758702]

I don't like that 8 doesn't reveal the real villain until disc 3. It spends a long time building up Edea then suddenly goes in a completely different direction, and even then it doesn't really do Ultemecia justice. 7 is probably worse with the whole it-was-mainly-Jenova-all-this-time thing that's still confusing as hell.

I'm not a big fan of 9, but it doesn't have any of the same problems.

[Anonymous No.7758714]

>>7758702
>I'm not a big fan of 9, but it doesn't have any of the same problems
Besides the final boss appearing out of nowhere.

[Anonymous No.7759342]

>>7754167
9 really stops holding your hand once you leave Alexandria. I tended to get lost at that point and then never continued. I've heard there isn't one particular way of advancing from there, but that isn't at all clear when you're lost in the field and getting slowly whittled down by random encounters. Probably not what you mean, but besides undiagnosed ADHD, that's what always stopped me getting to disc 2.

[Anonymous No.7760183]

americans are fucking obsessed with ff7, you are the ones to blame if squenix only creates sequels and spin offs for it now

[Anonymous No.7760404]

>>7755685
kek

[Anonymous No.7760564]

FF8 was already going shaky before the end of disc one. Tomb dungeon is lazy design, the sewer dungeon is total shit, then you get a sorta hype boss rush followed by Laguna does nothing and a somehow even lazier, shittier dungeon. At least flying the school was worth it.

FF9 also does the slow restart thing on disc 2, but with a cooler location, then the really nice tree dungeon after that.

[Anonymous No.7760616]

>>7759342
You're retarded.

FF9 is one of the most baby JRPGs in existence.

[Anonymous No.7760645]

>>7760183
7 is one of the most popular FFs in Japan, more than VI, VIII and IX. Cope.

[Anonymous No.7760656]

>>7760645
luckily i don't have to cope, the only ff i ever liked were the tactics ones anyway
enjoy your battle royales though

[Anonymous No.7760695]

>>7760183
>i am so fucking obsessed with americans
You will never be a real dental hygiene haver

[Anonymous No.7760983]

>>7757378
it's not even the gameplay, it's the uninteresting story
it just doesn't compel you to finish it