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Anonymous Wed May 12 16:52:33 2021 No.7748423 [Reply] [Original]

How the hell did people play Quake at an average FPS of 20 and think it was a great experience?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 16:56:41 2021 No.7748432 >>7748423 Goes to show you how amazing Quake is.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 16:57:05 2021 No.7748436 Most of these things you think make or break your experience are completely in your head.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 16:59:41 2021 No.7748443 File: 23 KB, 475x319, Interview with Doug Church, LookingGlass circa 1994 about System Shock.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7748423 Things were different back then.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 17:00:18 2021 No.7748445 i think we just didnt know what we were missing so it didnt matter. the only games that ran at 60FPS were 2d arcade games

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 17:00:38 2021 No.7748446 >>7748423 24 fps is about the standard for a convincing illusion of motion. more isn't necessary.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 17:07:08 2021 No.7748468 >>7748423 quake sucked until 3d accelerator came

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 17:09:11 2021 No.7748472 >>7748443 Reminds me that commander keen runs at 17fps. PC was so pedestrian until recently when it came to games. Hard to believe with how high on their own farts pc gamers can be.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 17:17:41 2021 No.7748486 >>7748436 This. No one gave a crap back then or even knew what their fps was

Anonymous Wed May 12 17:21:08 2021 No.7748495

>>7748436
>>7748446
The reason for this cancer is, of course, that graphics cards makers wants to push their products on people, they push them so hard because that's what gets people to buy high performance cards. So you have whole generations of zoomers and even some of the duller boomers that think that fps is everything in games.

Another thing is that in multiplayer higher fps gives an incredible advantage, it even allows you to physically move faster in quake. So lots of people were desperate to max out their fps rate to give them the advantage online.

>>7748432
It's a really good game but still not as good as Goldeneye.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 17:46:28 2021 No.7748570 File: 14 KB, 480x360, 1605779767254.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7748495 >So you have whole generations that think that fps is everything in games >higher fps gives an incredible advantage high iq post

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 17:51:13 2021 No.7748581 >>7748446 With motion blur.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 17:52:32 2021 No.7748583 >>7748446 >muh cinematic experience

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 17:54:24 2021 No.7748587 >>7748583 Yes I know /v/ has trained you to think in the memes they parrot but it's true.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 17:56:03 2021 No.7748593 >>7748468 The Voodoo could barely push that up to 60 FPS, and it's not worth playing GLQuake without hitting that target. The latency is just too great otherwise.

Anonymous Wed May 12 18:21:54 2021 No.7748676

>>7748486
>This. No one gave a crap back then or even knew what their fps was
This was only true for console babbies. PC gamers, the real deal, the genuine article, the chads of indomitable strength were just as particular as they are now when it comes to performance.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 18:24:49 2021 No.7748687 File: 234 KB, 1920x1080, bandwidth.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oof

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 18:45:08 2021 No.7748740 >>7748495 >[Quake is] not as good as Goldeneye. I will never understand you people

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 18:46:01 2021 No.7748741 >>7748587 >it's true because I say so

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 18:47:03 2021 No.7748749 >>7748687 incredibly soulful

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 19:25:37 2021 No.7748864 >>7748741 I say so because it's true

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 19:51:22 2021 No.7748923 Didn't most games need exceed 24 fps?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 21:27:42 2021 No.7749116 >>7748423 This also shows that PCfag criticisms of 64 FPS framerates is mostly a retroactive revision thanks to modern source ports. Because nearly no one was playing any of these games past 30 fps.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 21:30:05 2021 No.7749120 What other first-person 3D action games were there to compare it to?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 23:41:21 2021 No.7749486 File: 745 KB, 320x240, 24_fps_vs_60_fps.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7748587

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 05:25:25 2021 No.7750191 >>7749486 I can still hear the music.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 05:27:09 2021 No.7750193 >>7748423 Because we were lucky to have THAT many. Your brats are spoiled.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 17:01:35 2021 No.7751680 >>7748423 This is the actual reason it flopped despite the heavy marketing and excellent first (shareware) episode. At the same time Duke runs okay on 486. Nobody played Quake until Voodoo and GLQuake became widespread.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 17:20:55 2021 No.7751732 >>7748423 >attempting to objectively quantify qualia I dub thee, Autismor the most Autistic.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 17:28:25 2021 No.7751753 >>7748423 Quake drove people to upgrade, just like Doom did before that.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 13 17:37:57 2021 No.7751781 >>7748423 I played original Doom at something like 15fps on 486 (or was it 386, I'm not sure anymore) and it was the best shit ever.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 03:20:21 2021 No.7753316 >>7751732 >Rejecting the attempt to correlate the qualitative with the quantitative Take your alternative medicine.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 03:36:48 2021 No.7753343 File: 43 KB, 501x498, 54ntr4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 04:28:10 2021 No.7753437 it's because of modern flats regen monitors blurring and ghosting that they need four times the fps to get a similar experience to a budget crt from 30 years ago.

Anonymous Fri May 14 07:17:53 2021 No.7753656

Dungeon Keeper 1 ran at 20 FPS.
The secret about FPS that nobody ever brings up, is that the brain adapts to whatever it is and after a while perceives it as normal.

Someone who plays/watches something at 120fps then drops down to 30 will suddenly feel like they're watching a HORRIBLE slideshow. Someone who goes from 120 to 60 will be able to tell the difference very easily, while there are plenty of those who can't even see the difference between 60 and 120. High FPS can look strange to people who are used to lower frame rates. And if you play bloodborne for enough hours, the shitty fps eventually becomes more tolerable, even for a PC gamer.

This brings us to hollywood and the magic number 24. Is there anything magical about 24 FPS? Nope. Film experts will claim there's something magical about it. The soap opera effect is named as such because it has been associated with soap operas, therefore bad, but that's only half the reason it's being perceived as bad, the other half of the real reason is that it's just what everyone's brain is used to seeing.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 07:20:14 2021 No.7753658 >>7753656 >the other half of the real reason is that it's just what everyone's brain is used to seeing. I mean to say: 24 FPS is just what everyone's brain is used to seeing.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 07:22:24 2021 No.7753663 >>7753656 And that's a good thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM16aiSSpFk

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 07:30:04 2021 No.7753671 >>7748423 Because people were more chad back then, they didn't care about nitpicky nerd shit.

Anonymous Fri May 14 07:46:38 2021 No.7753695

>>7748472
>Reminds me that commander keen runs at 17fps. PC was so pedestrian until recently when it came to games. Hard to believe with how high on their own farts pc gamers can be.

IBM/PC shareware games back in 1990, generally only targeted the baseline IBM specs. with CGA graphics and no soundcard. There were high end PC games made for VGA graphics cards (that can do smooth scrolling) and sound cards. Wing Commander comes to mind. So do many flight sims. But the hardware requirements were really expensive.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 07:56:13 2021 No.7753709 >>7753663 I opened your link and it was already thumbed down. Must've thought it was a shit video even 3 years ago.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 09:01:57 2021 No.7753805 >>7749486 The low framerate in movies and TV really bothers me. Makes me feel like I can never tell what is going on in action scenes.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 11:35:23 2021 No.7754117 >>7749486 H-haiyai!

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 12:17:06 2021 No.7754204 >>7753656 100% this. Im Playing monster hunter Rise right now at 30fps and couldn't give two shits. Then I switch to a 60fps game for a few hours and im like WOAH THERE

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 16:19:52 2021 No.7754982 >>7753709 But he's right.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 16:27:44 2021 No.7755012 20fps at 320x200 isn't so bad

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 16:29:35 2021 No.7755017 >>7748423 People still think OoT looked good

>>	Anonymous Fri May 14 17:17:08 2021 No.7755190 >>7748446 How come I can feel when my fps drops below 60?

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