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7739434 No.7739434 [Reply] [Original]

How the fuck was anyone supposed to beat this? By the time I got to this point as a kid, I was so beaten that I could barely make it pass Silver Sonic, and this thing kills you in one hit. They could've at least given you one ring so you have a fighting chance.

>> No.7739441

>>7739434
Don't touch the spikes. You should have learned that playing every other level in the game.

>> No.7739445

>>7739434
This was the first game I ever beat, I was probably around 7. At the time I played very safely and only hit him when he bent down, took a while but it was doable.

>> No.7739447

>>7739441
>don't touch the spikes
>or anywhere else on the body
>oh, and don't let the arms hit you when you go to attack
thanks bro

>> No.7739453

>>7739434
This is one of the easiest final bosses of all time. He's incredibly slow and predictable.

>> No.7739474

>>7739434
Git gud

>> No.7739541

So satisfying seeing people seething and struggling over a game I had no trouble beating when I was like five or six years old.

>> No.7739654

>They could've at least given you one ring so you have a fighting chance.
Yeah, this is the reason this is the only challenging boss in Sonic history. If you keep your wits about you on your first try when you still have rings, it's not so bad, but if you're asleep at the wheel it becomes annoying.

>> No.7739657

>>7739541
that doesn't make any sense

>> No.7739675

>>7739447
There are obvious windows where you can hit him as he moves back and forth. Eventually everyone is going to figure this out. Otherwise just wait for him to do his back step before he takes off and then hit him for a very slow kill.

>> No.7739676

>>7739657
Probably because you have sub 80 IQ.

>> No.7739679

>>7739676
Did you just get an epic win on me?

>> No.7739717

>>7739434
>Silver Sonic

Anon..

>> No.7739723

>>7739717
To be fair isn't it the 3rd Mecha Sonic so far? You can't blame anon for getting it's name mixed up.

>> No.7740025
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7740025

It's a bit tricky to get at first; but I remember whenever I got to this part of the game as a kid, I'd have enough extra lives to die a few times before getting the pattern.

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>>7739434
>literally bends down and forward, begs you to hit him
Give me a fucking chance!

>> No.7740138

>>7739657
>that doesn't make any sense
Explain

>> No.7740148
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>> No.7740152

>>7740137
BEGGIN YA

>> No.7740157

>>7740138
Kiss kiss, faggot.

>> No.7740165

How the fuck does Robotnik run faster than you? Fucking explain this.

>> No.7740169

>>7739434
Even as a kid, I was able to beat Silver Sonic before he started shooting out his spikes. That didn't matter though as I still had no rings.

>> No.7740175

>>7740165
I don't think he's ever run FASTER than sonic before. If you have proof of Sonic losing a fair 100m dash to Robotnik I will apologise.

>> No.7740208

>playing S3&K with a friend
>he fucking stays inside Silver Sonic's hitbox when he's still on both sides of the screen and just spindashes the shit out of him
This shit floored me.

>> No.7740237

>>7739453
Insane hyperbole. You’re a retard.

>> No.7740241

>>7739541
And what have you achieved since then?

>> No.7740243

>>7740208
I’d be surprised too if my friend beat a Sonic 2 boss in S2&K

>> No.7740248

>>7740243
He was that good

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>>7739434
If you can’t beat Sonic 2 you should unironically remove yourself from the gene pool

>> No.7740363

>>7739447
Bro this boss is easy. I don't know what to tell you.

>> No.7740367

>>7739657
This makes perfect sense.

I beat this when I was like 4. I had a hard time and tried a million times, but I beat it and it was satisfying.

Just keep trying and you’ll get it eventually. Not all games are meant to beaten without dying or seeing the game over screen.

>> No.7740378

>>7739434
That's why you collect all emeralds

>> No.7740380

>>7739654
>still have rings
You must be playing some iOS version or something that decided to throw zoomers a rope.

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>>7739541
>So satisfying seeing people seething and struggling over a game I had no trouble beating when I was like five or six years old.
>Sonic 2
heh... nothing personal kid.

>> No.7740438

>>7740237
Is this bait? That without a doubt is one of the easiest final bosses of any mainstream video game I remember playing.

>> No.7740510

Its ro-butt-nik

>> No.7740541

Use the code Become Golden sonic easy.

>> No.7740560
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>>7740381
I refuse to believe anyone ever beat this without cheat codes, so quit with your lies already

>> No.7740605

You wanna make it even more fun, play as Knuckles cause that nigga can't jump high enough to hit it.

>> No.7740607

Ok beat it as adults then.

>> No.7740653

>>7740137
so you can just jump and hit him right? that simple??
aaa wait, no, IT ISN'T
you have to time a really bad hitbox
man fucked-up hitboxes are so damm easy lol

>> No.7740663

>>7740653
You know you don’t even have to wait for him to bend down right? As long as his spike arm isn’t showing and pointing out, you can hit him at any time. You can get him a good 3-4 times before be even flies upwards.

Hit boxes are fine, it’s the final boss, it’s supposed to be the most challenging part of the game.

>> No.7740669

>>7740438
...ever beaten Mario 64?

>> No.7740709

>>7739447
You're arguing with people who used emulation saves to cheese their way through the boss

>> No.7740747

>>7739717
>>7739723
Isn't that correct, though?
I thought 2 was Silver Sonic, CD was Metal Sonic, and 3&K was Mecha Sonic.

>> No.7741061

>>7739434
This boss is difficult to beat quickly, but it's not difficult to beat.
A patient player will eventually figure out you need to wait for the body to lower to land safe hits, and the rest is patience.

If you got this far, there is a good chance you've saved up enough lives and continues to eventually win. If not, level select cheat codes exist.

>> No.7741123

>>7739717
>>7739723
>>7740747
At the time the one in Sonic 2 was referred to as Silver Sonic. The post-SA2 Sonic games gave the name Silver to a new character (an actual hedgehog) but those games are not cannon.

>> No.7741135

>>7739434
Normal kids had patience and just watched him after dying once to realize they gave you a giant window to hit him when he lands. Why weren't you normal? When a boss beats you, you just go die to the same thing over and over, instead of the easy task of staying safe long enough to actually see its pattern?

>> No.7741202

>>7740669
Yes. Bowser was more difficult than Sonic 2 Robbotnik. You had to actually aim a spin throw for Bowser.

>> No.7741315

>>7741135
Zoomies are used to checkpoints that put them 3 seconds back from the last place they died.

>> No.7741498

>>7740367
Same, I beat this on my second attempt when I was three years old. That was one of the best birthday parties of my life.

>> No.7741563

>>7740367
>>7741498
>Not beating it when you were 6 months old
Look at these faggots learning how to walk before they could game.

>> No.7741653

>>7740380
>everyone but me is a zoomer

>> No.7741835

>>7741315
Not really, modern games would put a checkpoint right before the boss and then still require you to watch for a boss's pattern to beat them. OP would lose to every generation of video games.

>> No.7742587

>>7739434
You're right OP, nobody ever beat him. Sonic 2 is an unwinnable game. The programmers even didn't put in an ending because they knew it was impossible.

>> No.7742604

All of the Sonics were games made for children. How do you manage to get filtered by one?

>> No.7742617

>>7741315
When you die in a video game it should soft lock forcing you to restart everything.

>> No.7742619

>>7741563
Asshurt because you suck at a one button kids game.

>> No.7742625
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7742625

>>7739723
>>7741123
Pretty sure "Silver Sonic" refers to the mechanical Sonic from the 8-bit Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (Game Gear & Master System).

The mechanical Sonic that appears in the 16-bit Sonic the Hedgehog 2 is simply referred to as Mecha Sonic. Confusingly, "Mecha Sonic" also refers to the mechanical Sonic that appears in Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

>> No.7742691

>>7742625
Their Japanese names are all Mecha Sonic.

>> No.7742980

>>7740605
I think the Eggrobo was the moment I first became aware of the differences in jump height between Sonic and Knuckles.

>> No.7743209

>>7740380
The Sonic Jam version on Saturn has an easy mode that gives you rings at the start IIRC. The IOS version doesn’t.

>> No.7743219

>>7740438
Most retro final bosses don’t kill the player in one hit, so obviously this is harder on that basis alone. Idk why you’re pretending to be oblivious to this but you look like a faggot either way.

>> No.7743223

>>7741202
>You had to actually aim a spin throw for Bowser
Which isn’t hard at all. Are you disabled or something?

>> No.7743241

>>7743223
I agree it isn't hard. It's merely harder than Sonic 2 Robotnik which itself is about as easy as it gets.

>> No.7743245

>>7743223
>Are you disabled or something?
Can you do it 3/3 every time? Oh you can't? Then shut up.

>> No.7743254

>>7739541
I played this game at 6 years old almost daily and rarely got past the chemical zone. Stfu troll

>> No.7743260

>>7743241
>Sonic 2 Robotnik which itself is about as easy as it gets
See >>7740237

>> No.7743263

>>7743245
>Can you do it 3/3 every time
Yes. Just lure him near one and it’s insanely easy.

>> No.7743270

ngl, i wasted a lot of lives when i first got to him but then i could do it consistently.
>>7742980
Tails has a higher jump (easier to nail robotnink while he walk), but his ending doesn't make it worth it

>> No.7743276

>>7743263
>Just lure him
Imagine playing this way.

>> No.7743343

>>7743276
I don’t play that way. But if you want to meet your really dumb standards of getting 3/3 hits with no misses (for what reason, idk) then it’s easy by doing that.

>> No.7743356

>>7739434
>manual doesn't talk about death egg as a zone
>finish wing fortress
>welcome to death
ngl this part was frustrating for 7 years old me, but I eventually got it.

>> No.7743375

>>7743343
>I don’t play that way.
The way you play do you land every hit consistently? How are you going to call people disabled for claiming the spin throw isn't easy when you know it can be tricky.

>> No.7743407

>>7743375
It is easy, that doesn’t mean I do it perfectly every time. Also, it’s not like you die or get hurt for missing so where exactly is the challenge? If you consider a boss like that to be harder than one that kills you in one hit, you have mental problems. End of story.

>> No.7743457

>>7743407
>It is easy
>But I can't reliably do it

>> No.7743519

>>7740243
>beat a Sonic 2 boss in S2&K
anon, I...

>> No.7743596

>>7739434
This fight(and the lead up) is the most iconic Sonic boss of all time and it is because of not having any rings. Challenge makes things better.

>> No.7743606

>>7740560
>refuse to believe anyone ever beat this without cheat codes
Well come on over and I'll show you. Afterwards tho we have to play TJ&Earl because I've never played it Co-Op to completion. Bring beer to share as well.

>> No.7743687

>>7739434
You should try beating that as Knuckles

>> No.7743694

>>7739434
>it looks so easy on screen but in the actual game its a living hell
>This boss took me literally three months, five YouTube videos, and tons of anger to beat this level.
>did anyone else feel a lump in their throat when Sonic was finally reunited with Tails? I sure did!
>passei toda minha infancia pensando como era o final de sonic 2,tinha uma fase mnaldita que eu nao passava
>Hardest final boss in a game. Ever
>Hardest final boss in a game. Ever
>Hardest final boss in a game. Ever

>> No.7743708

>>7743694
>, five YouTube videos
kek

>> No.7743801

>>7739434
I used level select as a kid to learn the boss. Took me a bunch of tries but I learned you just gotta be patient, I don't buy people who say they beat this boss easy as a kid.
If you fuck up you have better hope you have enough lives or continues or you're back to the start of the game, and you have to fight Silver Sonic beforehand who even as an adult I sometimes make a small mistake and jump on the spikes on his back, let alone as a kid the first time when I don't know his pattern when he enters his spindash.

This isn't a final boss you're beating first try, anyone who says they did are lying fucks and it's such a pain to replay the entire game when you're a kid and you've still got shit reactions times and patience, Wing Fortress is the biggest hurdle imaginable.
So in the end I just used level select to practice the boss, and ever since then my muscle memory has had this boss down.

>> No.7743805

>>7740137
You can still hit his spikes there, and if you wait for him to do this everytime you hit him, you'll be fighting this boss for like half an hour.

>> No.7743808

>>7743356
Death Egg is the best three second song in Sonic history

>> No.7743818
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>>7743801
>This isn't a final boss you're beating first try,
Sure, but 2nd or 3rd try you should get it. I can think of many bosses that are much much more difficult.

>> No.7743823

>>7743457
Who are you quoting?

>> No.7743831

>>7743818
>Sure, but 2nd or 3rd try you should get it.
Except anything you learned during your first go at it you've probably forgotten by the time you've managed to get through the entire game to fight the boss again.

Before Silver Sonic you have Wing Fortress with all its annoying death pits, glitchiness, and sadistic enemy placements that still get me 20 years later.
Then you fight Silver Sonic and, if you don't know the most optimal way to beat him, which you won't during your first or second go at him, you probably won't even make it to the actual final boss. Especially his spindash attack which, even now, if I end up not killing Silver Sonic during the patterns I actually know, he ends up getting me if I let him spindash like 4th or 5th time.
Then and ONLY then can you focus on practicing the final boss, who you'll probably accidentally touch the spikes on if you get impatient, and then it's a wrap and you're starting the entire game over. GG.

That final boss itself isn't hard if you didn't have to restart the entire game on a game over, so yeah, I agree there are way more difficult final bosses.
The final boss is difficult because you have to learn and practice it, but it's a 1 hit death each time, and you have to restart the game if you have no lives, and the preceding level probably took all your lives and Metropolis Zone probably wore down your god damn patience even before that.

>> No.7743834

>>7743831
Nah, you suck. Get good. Maybe one day you’ll be ready to fight a real boss like Bowser from SM64.

>> No.7743836

>>7743834
>Maybe one day you’ll be ready to fight a real boss like Bowser from SM64
Bait. I could beat Bowser as a kid literally blind. I hope you didn't unironically struggle with him.

>> No.7743841

I remember game overing with 30+ lives to it and silver sonic when I was 8 the first time I fought it. It was definitely one of those bosses that walled many the first time they played it.

>> No.7743852

>>7743836
No dude, the bombs are impossible to hit. Don’t lie and say you actually beat him as a kid.

>> No.7743864
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>>7740025

>> No.7743868

i never owned it on my sega as a kid. i only had the beta lol
i remember playing this game in my ps2 mega collection plus.... considering the game was kinda long (it has the most stages), it was new to me and my brother and going through metropolis zone, and collecting the complicated chaos emerald.. beating this very difficult boss was very satisfying to us

ALSO, back then i associated it with this very beautiful song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxvSUaeXm1c
fucking memories bros, the fucking memories

>> No.7743872

>>7743270
> but his ending doesn't make it worth it
I beat it with Tails 1st and figured out I could hold spin dash while mecha sonic does it's entrance landing for free 4 hits that way and thought the ending was shit just watching Tails fall for 2 two minutes straight, til I was able to beat it with sonic but I guess finding out how to do that trick helped out.

>> No.7743875

You should always spend the early game in Sonic stacking up rings/extra guys.

Always do that, and in Sonic 2 especially, use the Casino Night to gamble, it gets boring fast, but just keep winning, keep your eye on the time, win at least 2-3 extra lives by gambling.

Silver Sonic and Robuttnik are just a matter of learning the pattern, SS is harder because he moves fast and can fluster you, a cool head is the key. Robuttnik however, is easy as shit as long as you have patience......just wait, and you can easily never be hit, the game makes it so you're literally always out of his reach as long as you wait till the lock on locks then spindash to the opposite end of the screen, he CANNOT hit you

>> No.7744145

>>7743805
>ou'll be fighting this boss for like half an hour.

No because you'll get a time out after ten minutes.

>> No.7744180

>>7740709
Are there any other options for bosses before gen 5? Spending half an hour looking on boss movements, listening to the same tune and dying repeatedly - is not a valid option.

>> No.7744245

>>7744180
git gud

>> No.7744535

>>7740148
I feel this picture

>> No.7744539

>>7739434
get gud

>> No.7744551

>>7743805
>final boss fight takes 8 cycles, ie 5ish minutes
Yes, that makes it climactic. Hitting it while it's standing is speedrunner shit, you were genuinely expected to be patient and careful for the final challenge of the game.

>> No.7744582

>>7739434
You basically just had to accumulate as many lives as possible earlier in the game without losing them. So it would take a while, there was no way to farm lives either (good design). It would take the best part of an afternoon for a full run through.

It made you legitimately nervous towards the end that you could lose it all. It built up the tension a lot. For better or worse that's mostly gone these days.

>> No.7744606

>>7744551
>you were genuinely expected to be patient and careful for the final challenge of the game.
Which is why they removed your rings to get you in that frame of mind. Unfortunately zoomers are mentally retarded and YOLO for the standing attack due to ADHD and die horribly without learning anything. They then run away crying to retro game discussion boards to whine about "bad game design" to soothe their damaged ego. "It's the games fault not me!" No you just suck.

>> No.7744685

>>7744551
>>7744606
I always tried hitting him while he walked even back in the 90s. It's not speedrunner shit, even the local gaming mag suggested that you can hit his torso as long as you give yourself some running distance so you can arc over the spikes.

Now if you are playing with Knuckles, then shit gets serious.

>> No.7744773

>>7744606
>>7744685
I always got two hits in every phase: once when he was done walking, and a second as he was rocketing away. I never tried for when he leans over.

>> No.7744906

>>7744685
>Now if you are playing with Knuckles, then shit gets serious.
No rings + low jump height + no environment Knuckles can climb was a very fucked fight.
Real bait and switch too considering how easy Knuckles makes the rest of the game.

>> No.7744928

>>7744906
You could go behind him as he comes up and literally jump on his ass. You only have to watch out for the jetpack flames which can kill you. Not as hard, you just need a different tactic.

>> No.7744932

>>7744928
I think the big surprise was what >>7742980 said. You really don't realize there's a difference in height until one of the most critical moment.

>> No.7744940

>>7744928
And also the bombs that he'll chuck behind him.

>> No.7745170

>>7743852
>No dude, the bombs are impossible to hit.
Cosmo and Siglemic are the best Mario 64 players and even they occasionally miss that throw. Don't lie and claim you're such a good player.

>> No.7745181

>>7745170
based authority appealer

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>>7739541
>I need to feel superior by dragging others down

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>>7739447
No problem. Practice until you get good

>> No.7745260

>>7740709
>don't worry bro, they probably had to cheat to beat him haha
>i-it's totally normal to miss the wide-open hit window the game gives you
This is such a sad, desperate cope.

>> No.7745440

I had a bit of a hard time with this as a kid but got it eventually. As an adult it's never a problem. I'm genuinely surprised to see adults who are apparently so bad at this that they straight up don't believe anyone else could do it or find it reasonable.

How did you even GET there if "sometimes you should slow down and be careful" is 100% completely alien thinking to you? Sonic 2 isn't a perfectly designed game and will happily drop you to your death just for going fast as early as Chemical Plant Zone, and multiple others as well. Mystic Cave will even leave Super Sonics in an inescapable pit until their 200 rings run out, they gave no fucks at all. Where are your posts about how Chemical Plant Zone is impossible and how everyone who has ever gotten past it is a savestate using cheater?

>> No.7745556

>>7745440
>"sometimes you should slow down and be careful" is 100% completely alien thinking to you? Sonic 2 isn't a perfectly designed game and will happily drop you to your death just for going fast as early as Chemical Plant Zone
Which is even funnier when you consider you can easily die instantly against the chemical plant zone boss if you don't watch out. There's also bosses like casino night's and mystic cave's that have spots that you can't hit without taking damage. The game was trying to teach you that sometimes you need to time your hits.

>> No.7746103

>>7745170
Cope

>> No.7746147

>>7745170
that schizo tranny is shit at everything except that meme castlevania 64 game that no-one gives a shit about and Sig hasn't been good at Mario 64 for over 5 years

>> No.7746219

>>7740241
I fucked your mother.

>> No.7746229

>>7746147
>and Sig hasn't been good at Mario 64 for over 5 years
So you're better than him? Okay good to know /vr/ is full of so many pro players.