I like Doki Doki Panic more than Mario 2

[Anonymous No.7724819]

No run button and being forced to use the same character throughout the game adds to the challenge
The warp in 5-3 isn't exclusive to Luigi/Mama in DDP, anyone can reach it by curving their super jump
Mama also doesn't jump as high as Luigi, her gimmick is just the slow jump
There's also a save feature and infinite continues
The best things Mario 2 added were Clawgrip and waterfalls not making your eyes bleed
Overall I just think DDP is a more challenging and unique experience

[Anonymous No.7724821]

>>7724819
I unironically agree. Mario 2 was an absolute iconic part of my childhood.

[Anonymous No.7724839]

[Anonymous No.7724843]

>>7724839
yet another reason why doki doki panic is superior

[Anonymous No.7724958]

>>7724839
Mocking blacks and trannies in one game. Nintendo seal of quality.

[Anonymous No.7725089]

Is this jump even possible? I've been trying for a while

[Anonymous No.7725098]

>>7724819
Can't chain attacks like in Mario 2, and All-Stars is just better.

[Anonymous No.7725231]

I bet I'm the only fella on this board right now to get the true ending of Doki Doki Panic

[Anonymous No.7725491]

>>7724839

based

[Anonymous No.7726183]

>>7724819
wait hold the fuck up. so shy guys were in DDP before Yoshi's Island? so is DDP canon to Mario universe?

[Anonymous No.7726190]

>>7726183
They were in Super Mario Bros. 2 as well

[Anonymous No.7726227]

>>7726190
yes of course, but I wasn't sure how canon American SMB2 was to Mario universe because Japan got a different version of the game after all. I know SMB2 USA was released in Japan, but it came out there in September 1992—pretty fucking late

[Anonymous No.7726232]

>>7724839
Mods this is a blue board free of racism. Please remove this post.

[Anonymous No.7726239]

Defend this

[Anonymous No.7726245]

>>7726239
Git gud

[Anonymous No.7726273]

What the fuck is a meddler?

[Anonymous No.7726295]

>>7726183
>>7726190
>>7726227
There was a weird stylistic consistency between the creatures in DDP/SMB2. It makes the shy guys feel really out of place in games like Yoshi's island.
I know Mario games don't have lore and Shigeru Miyamoto doesn't give a fuck about continuity, but I still wonder what was up with the shy guys in Yoshi's Island. Were they chosen just so that koopas wouldn't get too repetitive?

[Anonymous No.7726302]

>>7726295
The way Goombas work in YI, they have a weird sort of delayed action to squishing them right? Maybe they didn't want that as the first enemies. Koopas, they probably didn't want players to spit shells instead of throwing eggs. So the next logical option for the basic enemy type is Shy-Guys I guess.

[Anonymous No.7726305]

>>7726273
one who meddles

[Anonymous No.7726327]

>>7726302
>Maybe they didn't want that as the first enemies. Koopas, they probably didn't want players to spit shells instead of throwing eggs.
Actually, yeah, that makes perfect sense.
It's funny to remember back to being a kid, studying all the details and flavor text in the instruction manuals. I was mystified by shy guys in Yoshi's Island and wondered how they got there from the land of subcon, and why they went extinct by the time of Super Mario World. Not once did I ever consider that it was just Nintendo reutilizing old assets.

[Anonymous No.7726398]

>>7726183
In the JP SMB3 manual, Bob-ombs had an added part of their description saying that the player might've seen them before (in another game). This part was removed in American manual because it waa more obvious. At the time, the USA SMB2 was not released in Japan. So as far as SMB3 is concerned, DDP is canon to it.
Can we talk about how awesome it is that the playable characters are a family (save Lina, who's Imajin's girlfriend and thus beat Dixie Kong in the "would go to absolutely insane lengths for her boyfriend" game by several years)?

[Anonymous No.7726412]

>>7726398
Yeah that is pretty cool. I like Papa, he looks like arabic Mario. Mama also looks cool with the cloak. Lina sucks because she can't make >>7725089 this jump even though I was sure she could when I first noticed that shortcut with another character.

[Anonymous No.7726434]

>>7726398
>spoiler
You should play legacy of the wizard. You swap between controlling mama, papa, son, daughter and the family pet to explore a huge labyrinth with various character abilities and retrieve money/items so others can go further. Grandparents are there in the family home hub too and are in charge of saving and loading.

[Anonymous No.7726496]

>>7726398
>In the JP SMB3 manual, Bob-ombs had an added part of their description saying that the player might've seen them before (in another game).
interesting
still i kind of wonder, how did they feel so confident making shy guys main enemies in yoshi's island. especially since yoshi's island doesnt have all that many other references to DDP

[Anonymous No.7726576]

>>7724819
The only reason you have this opinion is because you are a contrarian.

[Anonymous No.7726587]

>>7724819
Aside: Would Mario Bros 1 have been as successful as it was if it didn't have that Italian (Western) man's name and was instead called some unpalatable gook freakshow shit like "Doki Doki"?

[Anonymous No.7726960]

Doki Doki Panic rules. I just wish it had an option to delete save data so you didn't have to pull your disk out while it's saving to corrupt the save data to start a new game. That shit made me nervous.

But I did it and cleared it with all the characters.

YouTubers make that sound like it's crazy that the game makes you beat it with every character to see the ending, but this is one of those games that actually gets more fun the better you get at clearing it, so I enjoyed it all the way through.

[Anonymous No.7726987]

>>7724819
Mario Madness is better.

[Anonymous No.7727792]

Awwwwww that's the cutest "thanks for playing" message I've ever seen

[Anonymous No.7727945]

>>7725231
How do you do that, beat it with all the characters?

[Anonymous No.7727947]

>>7726273
This is an English language board, Anon.

[Anonymous No.7727967]

>>7727792
Do modern games still do that?

[Anonymous No.7727989]

>>7726273

[Anonymous No.7728062]

>>7727967
No. They just yell at you for being white and demand more money.

[Anonymous No.7728075]

>>7727945
yeah

[Anonymous No.7728135]

>>7727792
The hell, who keeps saying "thanks a million" in old Nintendo games?

[Anonymous No.7728142]

>>7726327
Subcon dese nuts

[Anonymous No.7728173]

>>7724839
Did DDP take place in Africa or something?

[Anonymous No.7728210]

>>7724819
I prefer the aesthetics. Also, as a kid just finding out about this in the early 2000s, the whole thing seemed so mysterious. The REAL SMB2? With a different cast? On a weird yellow disk?

[Anonymous No.7728217]

>>7726273
I'd guess they were trying to say "Testers" or something.

[Anonymous No.7728234]

>>7726496
They also included Ninji as an easter egg in World if you go into the backdoor of Bowser's castle.

[Anonymous No.7728262]

>>7727967
In their own way yes.

[Anonymous No.7728267]

>>7728173
The whole thing has an Arabian theme, so no. But North Africa does have a lot of cultural similarities.

[Anonymous No.7728617]

>>7728262
That is not the same thing. "Thank you for buying this game, but you have to buy more stuff now".

[Anonymous No.7728625]

>>7726273
Production babies, anon

[Anonymous No.7729019]

>>7728625
But Ten Ten refers to Takashi Tezuka

[Anonymous No.7729043]

What's the best version of SMB 2?

[Anonymous No.7729109]

>>7728234
>>7726496
Don't forget Pokeys!

[Anonymous No.7729897]

The music in Doki Doki Panic is different too. The overworld theme is missing a channel and an entire section. If you play it you'll immediately notice how abruptly the music changes, but I didn't know exactly what was missing until I looked up both for comparison.

[Anonymous No.7729904]

>>7729897
oh and the player select feels like blue balls, it just loops the first part without the sick-ass jazz piano

[Anonymous No.7729905]

>>7729904
underground theme doesn't have drums in ddp

[Anonymous No.7729934]

>>7728234
They're there if you enter the front door as well, since you do the dark section of Bowsers castle in either case. Only difference is you get a midway gate if you enter the back door.

[Anonymous No.7730404]

>>7729043
NES. SNES introduces some weird graphical inconsistencies (actually further from the artwork in a few cases) and GBA has "early handheld port syndrome" where they added some cheap distracting voices and effects, not to mention terrible downsampled audio and washed-out palette.

[Anonymous No.7730410]

>>7729043
>soul / soulless / even soullesser / inorganic dust pile

[Anonymous No.7730440]

>Clawguy - an actual decent boss
>Robobird - a piece of shit
What happened?

[Anonymous No.7730486]

>>7730440
It's pretty simple, really.
Clawgrip FELT like a boss idea left over from Doki Doki Panic (in fact I would not be surprised in the slightest if that was true). The devs came back and specifically wanted to add it to replace the third Mouser for a change of pace. It fits the game like a glove and makes DDP feel naked without it.
Robirdo is a gimmick battle that could only have been made in the GBA vacuum. "Whoa kids, lookit our scrolling 'n giant sprite prowess right at the palm of your hands, aren't we just so impressive?" It feels tacked-on and unlike anything else in the game, in a bad way.

[Anonymous No.7730531]

>>7729934
Damn, guess it's been too long since I played through World.

[Anonymous No.7730532]

>>7730440
Robirdo sucks because it involves waiting

[Anonymous No.7730541]

>>7730486
>>7730440
The real weird thing is why did they stick a Mouser in World 6 instead of Triclyde, and not even the hard one from DDP

[Anonymous No.7730908]

>>7730531
Yes it has you lazy piece of shit

[Anonymous No.7730935]

>>7724958
Shut up, Nintendie, soitendo, nintoddler, ninCEL.

[Anonymous No.7731735]

Huh? How is the Tweeter missing?

[Anonymous No.7731776]

>>7727792
>[thing] is so cute!
Post tits.

[Anonymous No.7731870]

>>7724819
>ファミリーコンピュダチィスクシステム
>ティスク
What the fuck is a 'tisk'? For that matter, what the fuck is a 'compudah'?

[Anonymous No.7731891]

>>7729043
GBA for the save feature, ace coins, portability, extra mode, and Mario Bros. 2nd place goes to SNES

[Anonymous No.7731973]

>>7731870
The "diacriticals" are the TM symbol for Family Computer, and it does indeed say "Disk". The font is just a pretty small size.

[Anonymous No.7732007]

>>7731973
>The "diacriticals" are the TM symbol for Family Computer
Alright, I'll give you that. It's really hard to make that out.
>and it does indeed say "Disk"
Nah, it doesn't. There is literally no difference between pic related, let alone the presence of dakuten. You trying to tell me that one of those is "de" and the other is "te" with no dakuten on either? If the first one is in fact "de" then the next word is shi-su-de-mu, which it ain't. It's shi-su-te-mu システム (system). Two nukes were not enough.

[Anonymous No.7732049]

>>7731891
GBA has a shitty camera and it's overly easy with the abundance of hearts everywhere when SMB 2 was already pretty easy

[Anonymous No.7732102]

>>7731891
>save feature

[Anonymous No.7732134]

>>7732007
The left テ's first horizontal line is smaller, anon. It has a small gap and then the two ". Pic related shows what I mean, it is just hard to see in that image, but you would be able to easily see if if you were holding that cover.

[Anonymous No.7732137]

>>7731891
>>7732102
Doki Doki Panic and Super Mario All-Stars also have a save feature

[Anonymous No.7732197]

>>7732134
Well, fuck me. You're right. Now I see it in a much more clear image. What a dumb stylization for katakana.

[Anonymous No.7733414]

>>7726496
>how did they feel so confident making shy guys main enemies in yoshi's island. especially since yoshi's island doesnt have all that many other references to DDP
Because by that point they weren't references to DDP as Super Mario USA was released in Japan a couple of years prior. Actually, I wouldn't even say that the SMB3 instruction book thing is necessarily a DDP reference--at least not internally, because some of the same people who worked on the DDP-SMB2 conversion also worked on SMB3 (this evidenced by the fact that SMB2 uses Mario and Princess sprite from SMB3).

Also, they would later use Ninji and Pidgit in Super Mario World, and that was *before* Super Mario USA. I can't imagine that Miyamoto and co. meant all of these DDP enemy occurrences strictly as references to a Famicom Disk System game that hardly anyone remembered. Within the walls of Nintendo of Japan they were all very much aware of the fact that 'Doki Doki Panic' was considered a true Mario game and was an international hit.

[Anonymous No.7733471]

>>7733414
>Actually, I wouldn't even say that the SMB3 instruction book thing is necessarily a DDP reference
In terms of their target audience, it is - hell, the whole of Super Mario USA is considered a Yume Kojo: Doki Doki Panic reference, as Nintendo was not shy about it being a Mario flavor of the same game in that region.
>I can't imagine that Miyamoto and co. meant all of these DDP enemy occurrences strictly as references to a Famicom Disk System game that hardly anyone remembered.
Doki Doki Panic was one of the biggest titles on the Disk System. Yume Kojo wasn't some random smalltown festival, it had the force of one of the biggest broadcasters on it.
>Within the walls of Nintendo of Japan they were all very much aware of the fact that 'Doki Doki Panic' was considered a true Mario game and was an international hit.
In a sense, Doki Doki Panic was always a Mario game - Miyamoto and co were more involved in Doki Doki Panic than the original SMB2, and the game was prototyped with the intention of being Mario or Mario-like.

[Anonymous No.7733490]

>>7733471
Those are fair points, but all I'm saying is... to say that the Ninji and Pidgits in that game are purely DDP references, I feel would not be giving R&D4/EAD enough credit. The first players to see those enemies in the game would have seen them as DDP references, but that fact on its own feels really strange and random given this was the premier title of a brand new console and Doki Doki Panic was 4 years old released on disk for a short-lived addon to their previous console. I just think it's more likely that internally they might have considered those to be Mario enemies since, again, a lot of them would have worked on or been around at the time the DDP to SMB2 conversion.

[Anonymous No.7733517]

>>7733414
>>7733490
If you think the shared enemies is wacky the you have to realize that Nintendo, especially in older days, liked to throw in shared elements and cameos in many games. Remember when the Fire from Donkey Kong and Medaman the fried-eggman from Devil World were going to be in The Legend of Zelda? Even the final game has some lingering Nintendo game references like the Bible being from Devil World, Manhandla being a giant Piranha Plant from SMB, Digdogger being a giant Unira from Cluclu Land and the Rupees obviously being the Ingots from the same game.

[Anonymous No.7733532]

>>7731891
BS Super Mario USA for the weekly episodes, golden Marios, exclusivity, funky broadcast action, and POWER CHALLENGE! Your ass goes to 2nd place.

[Anonymous No.7733617]

>>7733414
>Super Mario USA was released in Japan a couple of years prior
that said it was still 1992, on famicom. not really sure how many people played it

[Anonymous No.7735258]

>>7733617
There's also BS Super Mario USA, the "sequel" to SMB2 released on the Satellaview: https://www.mariowiki.com/BS_Super_Mario_USA

Sure it was released the year following Yoshi's Island, but it's more proof that Nintendo was thinking of it as a legitimate entry into the Mario canon. They had also had Mario USA on the Japanese Super Mario All-Stars, so plenty of people played it there too.

[Anonymous No.7736281]

>>7735258
>They had also had Mario USA on the Japanese Super Mario All-Stars
oh fair enough, i never thought of that

[Anonymous No.7736313]

>>7732197
A foreigner not being able to correctly read a small section of a blurry scan doesn't make it a bad stylization. It looks good.

[Anonymous No.7736371]

>>7736313
You're weird.

[Anonymous No.7736801]

>>7735258
They wrote off Wart as having "escaped to another dream" in the Satellaview pseudo-sequel, implying that Link's Awakening is part of the same canon.

[Anonymous No.7739125]

>>7726239
Come on, it's not a hard game. Arguably SMB and SMB3 have more cheap deaths and bullshit in them.

[Anonymous No.7739581]

Why does SMB2 get better on every replay?

[Anonymous No.7739768]

>>7736371
Your mom's vag is weird

[Anonymous No.7739779]

>>7733617
They were selling shit for SNES there until 2001. Some Jap parents clearly didn't buy their kids new consoles.

[Anonymous No.7741089]

>>7730486
They pulled the same schtick with the giant troll in Zelda II, huh? Replacing a repeat boss with an original one for the NES cartridge release. (Though for some reason they gave it the Japanese name and artwork of a completely unrelated enemy, not sure how they messed it up.) Incidentally, a lot of the same people worked on both Zelda II and Doki Doki Panic.

[Anonymous No.7742826]

>>7725231
>kids are half naked
pretty cool from Nintendo

[Anonymous No.7743616]

>>7741089
Could've been done for similar reasons, but the difference here imo is that Clawglip was an actual fun boss fight who attacked you in a unique and interesting way while staying true to the game design whereas Gooma basically just replaced the easier version of Ironbuckle with a barely-harder version of Horsehead.

[Anonymous No.7743656]

>>7736801
You're kidding... that's awesome! lol

[Anonymous No.7745269]

>>7726327
My personal headcanon is that Shy Guys are in SMB2 because its Mario having memories of them from his time as a baby on Yoshi's Island. Also they wear masks so it fits a tribal aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.7745363]

>>7736801
sweet

[Anonymous No.7747302]

>>7736801
Hold the phone. Does this mean the Mario franchise takes place in the downfall timeline? But wait, I think that's Zelda II Link in DKC2, not LA Link. I knew Cranky was old but Mario aged pretty gracefully. But wait, one of the bears in DKC3 mentioned that Link was collecting seashells but muttered about his being the wrong shape, so it must be LA Link. Is that post-LA or is DKC3 also a dream? How can DKC3 be a dream if Wrinkly said she died after DCK3? Or is entire DK series a dream? Wait, the real SMB2 is suggested place in a "parallel world" to SMB1, and SMG2's story plays like a "parallel" version of SMG1. So does that mean Mario is also a split timeline?One timeline is Doki Doki Panic, the other is SMB2USA? Is Super Mario Advance part of the third timeline? If Paper Mario is its own universe, does that make every game in its own art style like Yoshi's Island its own universe too? Is this why Mario and Wario have owned castles at different points? Where do the cartoons and comics fit in?
...I need a pen and paper, this is too much to absorb.

[Anonymous No.7748361]

bump

[Anonymous No.7750735]

>ddp
somebody photoshop doki doki panic into do don pachi please