/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7723765]

What will be the first system to die out completely? With Cart and Disc Rot crawling closer to the complete death of a console who will be the first to cross the finish line into oblivion?

[Anonymous No.7723774]

I’ve never heard of cartridge rot ever happening.

[Anonymous No.7723776]

Ah yes, the good old Twin Snakes meme picture. My collection will outlive me and you will never be able to buy retro games for cheap in your life, OP. You'll just have to deal with that.

[Anonymous No.7723783]

>>7723765
i think it was the cdi or something that had a huge design flaw that kills the system
if we're talking mainstream, then snes soon and ps3

[Anonymous No.7723784]

>>7723765
Dreamcast discs will absolutely be the first. I already own several discs that just don't work on any console. Not to mention there are discs that were made defective day one still out in the wild.

[Anonymous No.7723787]

>>7723776
>>7723774
Look at it Now. 3DS is dying and DS is dying fast too. If high profile not retro is dying so will old games. Nothing will work soon

[Anonymous No.7723790]

>>7723765
Zoom zoom detected. The systems that are starting to die out are using magnetic media manufactured in the 80s. Floppy disks are starting to die already.

[Anonymous No.7723791]

>>7723787

[Anonymous No.7723794]

>>7723787
I have a tub full of SNES and Genesis games, and they work perfectly fine.

[Anonymous No.7723802]

>>7723765
>>7723783
>>7723784
>>7723787
Who let all these fucking dumb kids in here? Get off my lawn you little shits.

[Anonymous No.7723807]

>>7723787
C O P E

[Anonymous No.7723812]

>>7723774
This seems to be more common with arcade machines for some reason. The EEPROM chips in various other pieces of hardware like home computers die all the time too.
It's not like the chips in N64 carts are somehow magically different tech than those found in arcade machines so perhaps it's a question of power on time?

[Anonymous No.7723813]

>>7723791
These are manufacturing defects. Same as CDs and DVDs delaminating.

[Anonymous No.7723814]

>>7723794
well they won't for very long if you're storing them in the bathroom

[Anonymous No.7723826]

>>7723765
Probably something like Adventurevision. There are like 12 of those in existence. Vectrex is also a good candidate because of the built in vector monitor.

[Anonymous No.7723840]

>>7723812
The ROM chips in commercial cartridges are typically MaskROM, not EEPROM. EEPROM is erasable while MaskROM isn't which is why the former is much more likely to fail with time.

[Anonymous No.7723841]

>>7723765
Easy answer. Any other console will "die out completely" after (You) die out completely so who cares.

[Anonymous No.7723857]

>>7723791
NOOO NOT MY HECKIN' PAL OR/AS CARTS! WHATEVER WILL I DO WITH ALL MY GAMES
But seriously, I'd like to know what the issue is, if it is some truly widespread thing or if it were a bad batch of chips. Some early US launch DC games were bad discs that crapped out fairly quickly, but apparently they discovered it and promptly issued a new pressing. Doesn't help my dead Blue Stinger, but whatever.
>>7723765
Pretty sure others have stated that this just impacts the silkscreen and not the actual data. Not sure where my copy of TS is hiding, but I am curious to see how they're holding up.

[Anonymous No.7723896]

>>7723765
Two memes which are fake news.

You are fake news, OP.

[Anonymous No.7723909]

>>7723787
uh, new flashcarts not being made at all too?

[Anonymous No.7724045]

>>7723765
Hopefully the Sega-fuckin'-Shiturn is the first one to bite the dust. No one needs to make the mistake of playing that horrible piece of shit that ruined Sega.

[Anonymous No.7724059]

>>7723826
>Vectrex is also a good candidate because of the built in vector monitor.
Anything with a built in display really. LCDs can also dim and fade in all sorts of ways, I myself have a Game Boy with a display that's impossible to produce decent contrast with at this point, it's either dark and dim or bright and dim.

[Anonymous No.7724173]

>>7723765
Coomlectors coping so hard, just modchip or emulate.

[Anonymous No.7724184]

Tfw the DVD medium was made with planned obsolescence. I bought IGPX on DVD last month and two of the DVDs froze.

[Anonymous No.7724189]

>>7724184
DVD at least have two plastic layers,CDs are just waiting to rust

[Anonymous No.7724193]

>>7724173
Do you think hoarders/scalpers are starting to get nervous ?

[Anonymous No.7724208]

>>7724173
>console hoarding
PC only or bust

[Anonymous No.7724226]

>>7724173
Or pic related.

[Anonymous No.7724229]

>>7723765
Neither if you keep them in a climate controlled place.

[Anonymous No.7724284]

>>7724226
No that’s just as bad 500$ for something we can do for free on a toaster

[Anonymous No.7724295]

>>7723791
This has been blown so freakin far out of proportion

[Anonymous No.7724301]

>>7724189
>rust
moron detected

most of what people call disc rot is from poor care and handling scratching the top of the disc

[Anonymous No.7724317]

>>7724059
At least those can be replaced or even improved. Vector monitors are not easy to find and while raster displays can make a game playable it loses a lot of the effect.

[Anonymous No.7724334]

>>7723765
disc rot is a meme. DVDs never get it and pretty much any CD pressed after '85 only gets it if there was a manufacturing error.

laserdisc gets it often because they tended to be made like shit, but notice that even 40 years on, it's specific titles that get it (the ones made poorly), not the whole format.

your PS1 collection will outlive you if you take care of them, and your Wii games will outlive you even if you don't take care of them.

[Anonymous No.7724339]

>>7724229
Climate control is a luxury we will learn to go without in the coming decades

[Anonymous No.7724418]

>>7723765
None of my shit's stopped working yet. At least none of the stuff that's 100% been in my hands. A lot of the stuff I let my idiot friends borrow has fucked up. I don't let people borrow my stuff now.

[Anonymous No.7724482]

>>7724334
It's funny, too, because even many official Sega CD-Rs for the Sega CD, which based on the year of release would've been manufactured rather early on in the lifespan of CD-Rs existence (making some of them now roughly 30 years old), still work just fine.

[Anonymous No.7724516]

Not even your grandchildren will live to witness bitrot a discrot. The only examples that exist today are of copies that were left in dumps or humid pigstyes. Places were even books, which last thousands of years, wouldn't survive.

[Anonymous No.7724521]

>>7723812

>reprogram EEPROM
>Solder back onto board
Problem, officer?

[Anonymous No.7724537]

7724045<<
Rent free

[Anonymous No.7724613]

>>7724059
Are you sure it’s not the contrast wheel needing to be cleaned?

[Anonymous No.7724730]

>>7723787
literally just a faulty lot in germany
production issues happen, but it's not an endemic thing like sega cd rot

[Anonymous No.7724835]

>>7723774
some starfox carts are being damaged from leaking caps, but that may not be what you have in mind

[Anonymous No.7724856]

How does disc rot damage the data? Commercial discs are pressed, not burned. So the pits and lands are physically molded in the plastic. What's actually being lost here?

[Anonymous No.7724858]

For cartridges, Gameboy-GBA + NES-N64 cartridges will last forever because they're using maskroms. DS/3DS/Switch use a weird type of programmable rom called xtrarom which will degrade over time.

[Anonymous No.7724862]

>>7723765
That's just the label. The data layer is fine as those are Mini-DVDs. DVDs have the data layer in the middle of the disc sandwiched between two layers of plastic.

[Anonymous No.7724883]

>>7724193
Not more nervous than when they have to walk up stairs. *wheeze*

[Anonymous No.7725109]

None will because its based on how a specific individual cares for their media

[Anonymous No.7725119]

>>7723765
My copy of mgs ts has the same problem. Still works fine. Is there anything I can do to keep it that way? Stripping off the paint in a safe way and recovering it with a label sticker or something?

[Anonymous No.7725134]

>>7723790
>Floppy disks are starting to die already.
I grabbed a bunch of floppies from my folks house and roughly half of them don't work anymore. All written to from 1993 - 2003 at the latest.
But I did get some old pics and some weird text porn that someone in my house wrote to a floppy and isn't on the internet anymore.

[Anonymous No.7725143]

>>7724334
>DVDs never get it
Gamecube discs do. I've had two of them get it. Godzilla destroy all monsters annnnnd... I don't remember the other. I still have it tho.

[Anonymous No.7725148]

>>7723765
who cares.

[Anonymous No.7725149]

don't be so quick to write off floppies being broken unless they have visible mold on the material. I've got some drives that take 9-10 attempts before they can read the floppy.

[Anonymous No.7725164]

>>7725148
Is that an SSD in a PS2? Can the PS2 even transfer data as fast as an SSD can be read? That just seems like overkill.

[Anonymous No.7725168]

>>7724334
What about disc warp if they are left horizontal for years.

[Anonymous No.7725195]

>>7723787
lmao people play 3ds games off carts?

[Anonymous No.7725481]

>>7724883
lmao, but no seriously though do you think that they'll start trying to panic sell everything in an attempt to get rid of their supposedly "rotting" games? Try to squeeze the last few pennies out of them before the (potentially) go bad.

[Anonymous No.7725874]

>>7723765
Who cares? Just download the ROMs and put them on a flashcart.

[Anonymous No.7725881]

>>7725481
No

[Anonymous No.7725887]

>>7725195
I-is there any other way?

[Anonymous No.7726013]

>>7723765
>>7724334
It is literally a meme.
You will see this meme about anything people collect.
For example comics.
They were selling hundreds of different protection items and more.
When I bought some comics from the 1970s that have never seen a protection hull or anything, I didnt't use any protection item.
Now after 10 years they are still completly normal and look exactly like they did back then.

The same applies to retro video games.
Saturn CDs in protection hulls are working perfectly as much as the ones who are standing horizontal without anything.
Both were second- or thirdhand.

All in all it is just a meme. Take care of your games. Don't do any extremes like spilling something on them or laying them on a table.
They will outlive you.
If they don't, then you can't do anything against them. Even the biggest protection won't withstand the simple degration of themself.

[Anonymous No.7726141]

MB microvision has a screen that deteriorates, no known way to fix this
C64's break all the time but new parts of being made to keep them going, lesser known ones like astrocade would proabably mostly stop working quicker than a other like nes, sms and atari.
The chips in intellivision are really susceptible to failure, often users need 2 consoles to scavenge the chips to make one good unit and parts are hard to find because of the weird architecture but the system has a lot of fans so they'll probably figure a way to deal with it.

I also used to have an ngage, it started becoming flaky and eventually just stopped working at all.

>>7723791
Some newer systems use flash memory to hold the game, the data is stored on the chip using static electricity, eventually its possible for the charge to dissipate and you get bitrot.

>>7723765
I thought NCG games had the data in the middle and its just the lable cracking.

>>7723790
I have a couple hundred 1.44 floppies, recently tried make some boot discs, every single one I tried had some sort of issue out of about 20 I tried, I could still read most of the files but a couple would always be corrupt.

[Anonymous No.7726217]

>>7724856
>So the pits and lands are physically molded in the plastic. What's actually being lost here?
You understanding how optical media actually works LOL

[Anonymous No.7726219]

>>7725164
>Is that an SSD in a PS2?
no CompactFlash
>Can the PS2 even transfer data as fast as an SSD can be read?
doesn't need to.
>That just seems like overkill.
fewer/no moveable parts (no platters or heads) = longer lifetime

[Anonymous No.7726471]

>>7725134
copy paste it in this thread anon, it's technically retro

[Anonymous No.7726489]

>>7723765
who cares?!

[Anonymous No.7727291]

>>7725143
GameCube discs aren't DVDs, and from what I recall lack that second layer of polycarbonate on top of the data layer.

Essentially how CDs are built but data structure wise, like a DVD

[Anonymous No.7727373]

>>7723765
>With Cart and Disc Rot crawling closer to the complete death of a console
LMAO... Imagine being this sore over not being able to afford video games. That you make up this complete BS.
Atari Games from the 70's are still completely fine.

[Anonymous No.7727374]

>>7724284
Speaking of coomlectors. How many pirated roms and images are you sitting on that you're not playing?

[Anonymous No.7727426]

>>7723812
I wonder if that's because arcade machines get tons of abuse from customers as well as changing hands from owners constantly?

[Anonymous No.7727719]

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/05/psa_yes_your_ds_and_3ds_cartridges_will_eventually_deteriorate_but_dont_panic

[Anonymous No.7727731]

>>7723791
>resetera

[Anonymous No.7727737]

>>7723791
This turned out to be shitty solder on the board, not the ROM itself. It can be fixed with a reflow

[Anonymous No.7727761]

>>7723765
none of them are ever going to die out because we have emulation.

[Anonymous No.7727858]

>>7723765
My massive rom collection is not piracy. I am simply an archivist. Physical retro games are just going to deteriorate. My rom downloading will help keep these games alive for all time. You're welcome.

[Anonymous No.7728238]

>>7727719
>voultar
tab closed

[Anonymous No.7728401]

>>7723765
>disc rot meme
Not in you lifetime

[Anonymous No.7728652]

>>7723765
I firmly belive that's a merican's thing. I've never seen a disc rot in my entire fucking life and i got quite the collection with games handed to me by various different people.

Just live a bit fucking more healthy bro and put some attention to your hygiene

[Anonymous No.7728671]

>>7728238
"my girlfriend pegs me with a strap-on" - voltaire

[Anonymous No.7728725]

>>7723776
Twin Snakes is not a meme. My copy is cracking and it's been taken care of for decades now

[Anonymous No.7728738]

>>7724339
fuck off globalist faggot