/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7698327]

Try to convince me that savestates are bad BUT without childish analogies or zoomer posting. Pro-tip: you can't.

[Anonymous No.7698346]

If you have no faith in your ability, you will always think of yourself as a failure

[Anonymous No.7698349]

In the grand scheme of things who cares. Enjoy games however you want
Now with that said, nope, you didn't actually beat the game you casual little normie

[Anonymous No.7698360]

I use savestates as checkpoints because having to start a level completely over from game over is tedious, but if i were to use one for example mid-boss fight i would be ruining my own enjoyment

[Anonymous No.7698364]

>>7698349
>you didn't actually beat the game you casual little normie
Said who?

[Anonymous No.7698370]

>>7698327
Nothing wrong with savestats. Old games would have had save states if the technology was easier to implement as t the time. People just want to say you didn't really beat it because they want to feel they're better than you at gaming because that's the only skill they have. If they have that, they have nothing and they're losers.

Even Nintendo has save states for all its retro games on the Switch now. They encourage it. So there's nothing wrong with save states at all.

[Anonymous No.7698371]

>>7698364

[Anonymous No.7698372]

>>7698370
*If they don't have that
Sorry for all the typos

[Anonymous No.7698379]

using savestates is a sign of lack of discipline, and a short attention span.

[Anonymous No.7698397]

>>7698327
Can't, you're set in your ways and facts won't change your feelings.

[Anonymous No.7698407]

I use save states between game sessions. I like to start where I stopped. I want to be defeated by the game, not by my lack of free time.

[Anonymous No.7698413]

Its like you going to a fine dining restaurant that sells steak and the steak was undercooked, so they go in the kitchen and microwave it and come back out and serve it to you.

[Anonymous No.7698457]

>>7698327
>Try to convince me that savestates are bad BUT without childish analogies or zoomer posting. Pro-tip: you can't.

Managing your time is a good thing, OP. Savescum if you have other shit to do.

[Anonymous No.7698463]

>>7698327
It won't help you improve your gameplay skills if you are constantly abusing it in the middle of boss battles and such. There's nothing wrong with using it, but don't claim the game is too hard if you aren't going to even try.

[Anonymous No.7698464]

>>7698413
> no analogies
> that post
Why are antisavestate autists are that... autistic?

[Anonymous No.7698465]

>>7698327
save states are only good for bypassing password systems or when training / grinding a particular problem area in a game such as learning a boss fight. They are not good if you use them to complete a game that you otherwise couldn't if you didn't relay on them. Simple as

[Anonymous No.7698468]

Bro to recruit the lamp demon monster in dragon quest vi the recruitment rate is like 1/2048, fuck that, imma save state right at the end of the battle until he joins

[Anonymous No.7698469]

>>7698457
why even play video games if you have more important things to do?

[Anonymous No.7698470]

>>7698371


I agree with Mike. But if you enjoyed the game anyways who cares if you use those features. You paid money for these games, might as well see as much of it as you can. Try again later without save states.

[Anonymous No.7698472]

>>7698464
I think it's supposed to be tounge-in-cheek

[Anonymous No.7698473]

>>7698327
Who fucking cares, dude. Why do you need the approval of a tranny imageboard to validate how you play a fucking video game?

[Anonymous No.7698474]

>>7698470
NOOOO YOUR NOT A GAYMUHR IF YOU USED SAVESTATES EVEN ONCE IN UR LIFE

[Anonymous No.7698475]

>>7698469
>why even play video games if you have more important things to do?

decompression?

[Anonymous No.7698480]

>>7698327
Why do people say "save states" instead of cheating? We can have an interesting discussion about if cheating is wrong or bad but you can't argue that "save states" is cheating.

[Anonymous No.7698484]

>>7698468
Why even play games if you remove the failure state?

[Anonymous No.7698486]

>>7698480
Nice bait, anon, but try harder next time!

[Anonymous No.7698487]

>>7698473
> tranny imageboard
that chad shmup'er vs troon speedruner image macro really rustled your jimmies.

[Anonymous No.7698490]

>>7698465
>couldn't if you didn't relay on them
>when training / grinding a particular problem area in a game such as learning a boss fight
Hum...

[Anonymous No.7698491]

>>7698327
>Try to convince me that savestates are bad BUT without childish analogies or zoomer posting. Pro-tip: you can't.

[Anonymous No.7698492]

>>7698327
enjoy the game your way. savescum and rewind to your heart's content and don't let anyone else shit on you

[Anonymous No.7698494]

>>7698475
>decompression
Then you are conceding that playing video games is inherently a waste of time. Thus your argument that you have "better things to do" is moot.

[Anonymous No.7698496]

The only logic behind anti savestating is like "I suffered through shitty game(design) so you must too". Nah, sorry gramps but I've fixed your lame ass game with modern technology and made it ten times more fun.

[Anonymous No.7698498]

>>7698490
Anon, you don't understand context do you? As in you train to get good enough to not relay on save states. But you aren't really beating the game when your using them to train. Your using them so you eventually don't need them.

[Anonymous No.7698506]

Save states remove all challenge, and they promote a kind of play where you just keep bashing your head against a wall to win. You can see this whenever you see someone streaming with save states on, they just keep reloading, dying constantly until they get lucky and move past a difficult part. When you use save states, you never truly get good at the game.

>>7698370
Talk about projection! How sensitive do you have to be to make stuff up about people like that just because they disagree with you? Obviously, modern ports have save states to cater to casuals such as yourself.

>>7698360
There's no difference in principle in having checkpoints during a boss fight and having checkpoints in a level. If one is fine, the other is too. It depends on what the developer thought was an appropriate challenge. You're just cheating and making an excuse for it.

[Anonymous No.7698510]

>>7698496
It only seems like "shitty game design" because your inflated ego and perverted sense of entitlement. Your only cheating yourself because the games are paradoxically more fun if you actually play them seriously. But clearly this is bait.

[Anonymous No.7698514]

>>7698496
Actually you just removed all challenge from the game, meaning there is zero fun to be had.

[Anonymous No.7698518]

>>7698510
>It only seems like "shitty game design"
Nah gamedesign as an established part of development was almost non existent up to PS1 games. But you won't accept that anyways.

[Anonymous No.7698519]

Mandatory

[Anonymous No.7698520]

>>7698346
FPBP

[Anonymous No.7698523]

>>7698496
That's literally how purists sound like

[Anonymous No.7698527]

>>7698514
There are games without any challenge at all like Mario painting game or Sims. So they can't be fun by definition?

[Anonymous No.7698530]

>>7698519
> I prove my point with pictures from the internet
Guess how I knew you are unerage

[Anonymous No.7698531]

>>7698327
It's a convenient feature which I think should be available in emulators on principle, however it can also be easily abused, and I think you should be mindful of how you use it so that you don't ruin your enjoyment of the game.

I think it's understandable to use it to make saves at the start of stages in games where there's no saving and no passwords, but those kinds of games are basically endurance rounds, so you're not really playing how you're supposed to if you do that. Whether or not that matters is up to you, though it's worth to keep that in mind for conversations about said game later, because you won't be experiencing it like most people.

>>7698360
I think that's fair, it's an extremely casual way to play a game, and I'll readily admit that I'm pretty bad at Beat Em' Ups and Fighting Games. I just really enjoy the music, sound, and aesthetics of a lot of them though.

>>7698465
I agree.

[Anonymous No.7698534]

>>7698346
FPBP /thread

[Anonymous No.7698536]

>>7698327
There is literally nothing wrong with using save states. It's fixing bad design, and because I'm a very busy adult I don't have time to suffer through outdated game mechanics as I'm a very busy adult. It's why I let other men fuck my wife, because I simply don't have the time to do it myself.

[Anonymous No.7698538]

>>7698530
>unerage
>une rage
U mad

[Anonymous No.7698540]

>>7698346
FPBP
>>7698327 You also immediately shitted up your thread with reactionary words.
Cunt.

[Anonymous No.7698541]

>>7698527
Mario Paint is a tool, not a game, and the only game part of it does have challenge (the fly swatter game). Sims has challenge, since the whole "not have your family die horribly or penniless" is there.

[Anonymous No.7698543]

>>7698371
I bet Mike wishes he could go back in time and do all the AVGN shit himself. Too bad for him.

[Anonymous No.7698545]

>>7698530
>2018
I have a feeling that image is older then you've been posting on these boards. And its not an old image macro.

[Anonymous No.7698547]

>>7698346
If the goal is to complete a game, this means nothing.
If the goal is to BEAT a game, then this every day of the week.
Finishing a game and beating a game are two different things, two different approaches to playing videogames.

[Anonymous No.7698551]

>>7698543
>cute GF
>allegedly big PP
>creator of funny Loco bandito comics
>makes money playing vidya
Not gonna lie, I am a Mike respecter.

[Anonymous No.7698557]

>>7698518
Accept something you pulled out of your ass. Of course, PS1 is right around when games prominently started having saves (and cutscenes, love me those). What a coincidence!

[Anonymous No.7698563]

>>7698547
Goals are self-determined, failure doubly so.

[Anonymous No.7698564]

>>7698527
Personally I don't enjoy games like Kirby, exactly because they don't have challenge. If you like such games (designed for toddlers, mind you), that's up to you of course. But many games had their whole "game" designed around the challenge. No challenge, no game.

[Anonymous No.7698576]

>>7698470
>You paid money for these games, might as well see as much of it as you can

Doubt. Most people pro-savestate people use emulators, and never buy a copy or consider buying one. Plus, buying a game does not entitle you to be able to beat it.

[Anonymous No.7698578]

>>7698407
It's how I use them too, I think S3K has spoiled me because nowadays I put down a save state for the other sonic games when I stop playing for the day. I don't reuse it though, just keep it around like a temp save from the gba final fantasy games

[Anonymous No.7698579]

>>7698327
git gud

[Anonymous No.7698585]

>>7698407
This is actually the most excusable way to use them as its just simulating leaving the console on over night.

[Anonymous No.7698598]

>>7698576
> buying a book does not entitle you to be able to read it

[Anonymous No.7698607]

>>7698598
>too dyslexic to understand what I am reading
>but I bought the book anyway
yes, buying a book doesn't mean your capable of reading it or comprehending it. That takes a certain degree of skill all be it minimal effort with most books.

[Anonymous No.7698612]

If you use the save/load feature that's now standard for FPS genre playing Half Life or DOOM3 you did not by any stretch of imagination beat the god damn game.

[Anonymous No.7698613]

>>7698484
Because it would require 2048 battles to catch him once? That's like 40 hours of gameplay since he only has a 1/256 encounter rate in the one dungeon you can recruit him in.

[Anonymous No.7698619]

>>7698612
if you save scum to "beat" a game then you should be ashamed.

[Anonymous No.7698621]

>>7698613
So don't recruit him?

[Anonymous No.7698625]

>>7698541
> N-no that's not the same
>>7698564
> Personally I don't enjoy
Cool but who cares?

[Anonymous No.7698626]

EWWWWW he needs save states to beat Wiley!!!

[Anonymous No.7698628]

No. I can only lead a retard zoomer nigger to water.

[Anonymous No.7698629]

>>7698519
The pro save state crowd absolutely reeks of insecurity.

[Anonymous No.7698635]

>>7698619
>save scum
What's the established measure of save scumming and saving fair? Or is it just another made up term to justify spending your whole life in your mother's basement playan gahms?

[Anonymous No.7698636]

>>7698519
Kek, this perfect sums up the discussion and should be posted in every thread like this.

[Anonymous No.7698645]

>>7698635
If you save the game in a way not intended by the developers, you're most definitely save scumming and tainting the experience. People that come to /vr/ and unironically defend save stating are posers.

[Anonymous No.7698647]

>>7698635
>words are just another made up term to justify x
anon your not arguing in good faith. Clearly you don't need the difference between saving progress and abusing save scumming explained. One could argue that these things exist on a spectrum, but their is clearly a distinction that you would know in your soul. That little voice in your heart. You do have a conscience don't you anon?

[Anonymous No.7698652]

>>7698635
Save scumming is fair, it just means you're the lowest of the low aka scum

This is why catchphrases start losing their meaning, folks tend not to think too hard about how an insult applies to them

[Anonymous No.7698673]

>>7698327
>>7698346
Remember folks. If you use the in game save system at all or password system you in fact did not BEAT the game. The only true way to beat the game is by speedrunning it for hours in a marathon. You cant even pause the game to go to the ladies restroom of fix your dress. Haha what a bunch of losers Im better than you at this waste of time hobby. Big brain.

[Anonymous No.7698683]

>>7698673
>implying speed troons don't abuse any glitch or cheat to finish a game as fast as possible
that chad shmuper vs troon speedruner image macro really made you angry didn't it?

[Anonymous No.7698693]

>>7698683
Glitches are perfectly acceptable just as long as you dont save. You can even warp to the end of the game and it still counts.

[Anonymous No.7698698]

>>7698673
Taking shortcuts to feel satisfaction in what is supposed to be a hobby is for impatient narcissistic manchildren and the fact you think this is about showing off, on an anonymous forum, proves that

[Anonymous No.7698703]

>>7698327
in most retro games, you are required to develop a certain level of skill to beat it legitimately within a reasonable timeframe, but being able to use savestates anywhere removes any incentive to do so. Your mental abilities will atrophy and before long you'll become a redditor

[Anonymous No.7698709]

>>7698703
Or a twitch streamer

[Anonymous No.7698723]

>>7698693
>reductio ad absurdum
>t. troon speedruner
I mean you really need to got through alot of mental gymnastics to cut off your cock. No supersize you do the same with vidya games.

[Anonymous No.7698725]

>>7698723
>surprise autocorrects to supersize
Eat less

[Anonymous No.7698730]

>>7698346
And if you think being good at playing electronic time wasters is some sort of skill to be proud of, you're a failure.

[Anonymous No.7698734]

>>7698725
oops, thanks for the correction but don't tell that to a save stater, self restraint and discipline is a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.7698739]

>>7698730
>says this while posting on a image board

[Anonymous No.7698741]

>you're visiting your girlfriends house
>her little brother is struggling with a game
>"anon can help you, he's really good at video games!"
>the little brother is playing on actual hardware
>you start sweating profusely since you don't have your save state crutches


LMAO

[Anonymous No.7698769]

>>7698741
Top kek

[Anonymous No.7698771]

>>7698730
>if you think being good [is] some sort of skill to be proud of, you're a failure.
Sick non sequitur, feel free to try that one again
>>7698734
Kek

[Anonymous No.7698794]

>>7698327
I wish real life had save states and rewind.

[Anonymous No.7698805]

>>7698739
Yes and?
>>7698771
>deliberately removes the part about games themselves as if that's a refutation
Being good at vidya isn't a skill. No, all the studies about improved muscle memory and such is miniscule in the grand scheme of things. If being a savant at electronic toys maybe got you to do something productive like making your own games, good for you. But the fact is being good at vidya is not a productive skill besides very specific circumstances. Try again.

[Anonymous No.7698808]

>>7698794
Rope unlocks New Game+

[Anonymous No.7698815]

>>7698805
Being good at anything is a skill, which was the point. The fact you have to try so hard to belittle the character of someone that chooses to play games well as a hobby is the mark of an insecure save scummer.

If you actually cared about productivity, you wouldn't even be here. Time to be consistent with your beliefs anon

[Anonymous No.7698817]

It’s just playing the game on very easy mode. If you don’t mind the fact you beat it on very easy mode then go ahead. I’ve picked easy mode on a few games the first time through, it’s a good way to learn the game and play it on a harder difficulty the next time you play through.

[Anonymous No.7698818]

>>7698805
>gets backed in to a corner
>well i dont care because being good at [subject of the board and discussion] is pointless anyway
Clearly the bigger man here, sonny. I could take your childish rhetoric and one up you saying that being a productive member of society is pointless because society sucks, or that being alive is pointless becuz nihilism. Either argue like a non nigger or take the L.

[Anonymous No.7698823]

>>7698327
>no zoomer posting
>pro-tip:you can’t

[Anonymous No.7698832]

>>7698805
Don't you have more important things to do then shitposting on a basket weaving forum?

[Anonymous No.7698852]

>>7698815
>Being good at anything is a skill
And proving you've mastered said "skill" is being able to apply it in real world situations and produce a tangible result. I can tell you and the fag misrepresenting my arguments are still very young and have probably achieved little in the way of some success, either financially or personally (ie wife, kids, home, etc) and so defining success in mastering digital playgrounds is what fulfills you most. The older you get the more you realize life itself is a far more challenging and rewarding to conquer than imagined interactive ones.
>If you actually cared about productivity, you wouldn't even be here. Time to be consistent with your beliefs anon
lmao I'm working right dumbass.
>>7698818
>[still] [misrepresents] [arguments]
>j-just shut up bro
Take a shotgun into the mouth if you can't address arguments directly, niggerfaggot.

[Anonymous No.7698856]

>>7698832
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.7698860]

>>7698856
not everything is an argument anon. Statements of fact for example.

[Anonymous No.7698865]

>>7698860
>Statements of fact for example.
Correct, and I've been making them.

[Anonymous No.7698907]

>>7698865
>my subjective option is fact
>my time is very important but I like to spend it pretending to be retarded online.
Ok schizo

[Anonymous No.7698919]

>>7698907
>can't refute arguments
>I'm stating muh facts
>I'll just keep calling u retarded lol why r u here XD
Ok schizo

[Anonymous No.7698921]

>>7698621
But bro he can attack twice in one turn and if he has the echoing hat that means he can cast four fucking spells in one turn

[Anonymous No.7698930]

>>7698919
Opinions aren't arguments. Get better bait newfag.
>inb4 kiddo starts posting basedjak

[Anonymous No.7698996]

>>7698852
>And proving you've mastered said "skill" is being able to apply it in real world situations and produce a tangible result.
Such as not using save states. Now you're getting it
>probably achieved little in the way of some success, either financially or personally
I have the home I'm going to live in forever, with my commonlaw wife (because we want a nice wedding people can actually attend), and neither of us want kids because we'll be too busy playing our game collection, watching kino, playing music together, and so on. I'm 24
Man, this is why you shouldn't build your premise on an assumption.
>and so defining success in mastering digital playgrounds is what fulfills you most.
As a hobby, I already said that. I'm sure you felt really cool writing that, though
>The older you get the more you realize life itself is a far more challenging and rewarding to conquer than imagined interactive ones.
Thus why you savescum. You cannot justify spending any more time than is absolutely necessary until you see the end card. Watch a walkthrough, or maybe stick to films.
>I'm working
Working hard or hardly working? Hahaha. We already know you're slacking to write essays to people online, but it's probably slow anyway because of covid. You're a terrible employee either way

Do you not understand what using brackets is for? It's to summarize your long-winded ranting into something readable.
Like this:
>It's to summarize your [writing] into something readable.
Notice how it removes the emotional elements? This is why you feel it's disregarding your point. Your point is nothing but emotional posturing. Feel free to cry again, perhaps with something more objectively substantial.

[Anonymous No.7699042]

>>7698327
They aren't. Pretentious tryhards think they are, but there's nothing wrong with using them.

[Anonymous No.7699065]

>>7699042

[Anonymous No.7699079]

>>7699065
Haha savestates go brrrrr

[Anonymous No.7699091]

>>7698996
> trying that hard to prove casually baiting stranger that he has a life
Oh... wow...

[Anonymous No.7699102]

>>7698741
Sooo... savestate chad got a girlfriend and muh real hardware autists is a zoomie? Sounds cool.

[Anonymous No.7699115]

>>7698327
Why would I do that
Video games are toys and beating one is not an accomplishment

[Anonymous No.7699126]

>>7698683
>>7698487
you already said that

[Anonymous No.7699128]

>>7699091
>Nearly hour and a half later
>Writing numerous paragraphs
>Casual
Good one anon

[Anonymous No.7699131]

I genuinely do not understand why the fuck this board has constant threads about this exact topic or why so many people actually care that much about it
Holy fucking shit it is a goddamned video game; it is literally a fucking GAME

[Anonymous No.7699252]

>>7699131
Haven't you heard? Internet is srz bznz

[Anonymous No.7699434]

>>7698491
That's a weird wojak

[Anonymous No.7699686]

It's literally cheating. I could only finish Metroid using save states. So technically didn't beat it. Fucking Mother Brain. I love the game though.

[Anonymous No.7699693]

>>7699126
u mad bro

[Anonymous No.7699752]

>>7698371
And to this day cucks like OP are still devastated.

[Anonymous No.7699757]

>>7698551
Based Loco Bandito enjoyer

[Anonymous No.7699782]

The virgin savestater and the chad fast forward toggle abuser

[Anonymous No.7699789]

>>7698626
God I want to beat Roll up with my willy

[Anonymous No.7699806]

>>7699782
every single turn based RPG should have a fast forward option.

[Anonymous No.7699812]

>>7699806
>implying you don't use fast forward to practice danmaku's at 3x speed

[Anonymous No.7699818]

>>7698469
almost everyone has more important things to do
should videogames only be played by professionals?

[Anonymous No.7699826]

>>7699818
>I play to waste time and unwind
>but I could be doing more important things
pick one

[Anonymous No.7699831]

>>7699812
Why aren't fast forward challenge runs a thing?

[Anonymous No.7699839]

>>7698530
>unerage
Savescummers can't even type basic words properly, no wonder they need to save their progress every 5 seconds.

[Anonymous No.7699892]

>>7698346
Anon, it's a toy. Humans are capable of not caring about some things while putting their efforts into others.

Things that matter

[Anonymous No.7699903]

>>7698327
I could not care less if someone else uses savestates or not

[Anonymous No.7699920]

>>7698327
>Try to convince me that savestates are bad BUT without childish analogies or zoomer posting. Pro-tip: you can't.
Failure coping is a critical human skill that is always tempered, and savestates allow people to avoid it.

[Anonymous No.7699930]

>>7699831
I don't know but I've been unironically practicing Shmups at 2x and 3x speeds because then it feels slow when I play at normal speed.

[Anonymous No.7699940]

>>7698693
But you can save and quit in many games that are speedran. ALttP for one.

[Anonymous No.7699979]

>>7699892
It applies to all things in life, anon. Is your time a toy?

[Anonymous No.7699981]

>>7699930
Pro strat

[Anonymous No.7700080]

>>7699979
Sometimes, sure. It's called leisure

[Anonymous No.7700082]

>>7698327
some games i use save states like Megaman X, I just save it at the menu. I'M NOT typing in that long ass password sorry bros

[Anonymous No.7700106]

>>7698327
I've been playing games for over 30 years and I know what is and isn't good game design, so when I encounter bad game design in a game's design and I can correct it with the usage of save states, then I will.

Just went through a long ass dungeon and there's no save point before the boss? That's bad game design and I can fix that.
Your game is built like an arcade beat 'em up with credit feeding in mind, but only exists on a console, so you can't credit feed? I can fix that, though a Gameshark with infinite lives is the better option in this case.
Did you make your game harder on purpose to discourage rentals or artificially inflate play time? I can fix that. Or maybe a romhack somewhere already solved the problem for me.

Now if a game is designed well and is difficult, you better not be save-stating like a faggot. Resident Evil has ink ribbons and you'll use them and like it.

[Anonymous No.7700112]

>>7700106
Crybaby gonna cry

[Anonymous No.7700138]

>>7700112
This post is boring, you can do better.

[Anonymous No.7700141]

>>7699981
>>7699930
>2x and 3x speeds
I just realized when playing in mame 3/10 frame skip its more like 140% -150% speed. But it still is good practice. 4/10 frame skip is playable but at that speed its not as useful because dodging is more a crap-shoot.

[Anonymous No.7700215]

>>7700138
You should reload your save state, that's what you usually do when things don't go your way right?

[Anonymous No.7700363]

>>7699806
I can't play jrpg on consoles anymore because of the lack of fast foward.

[Anonymous No.7700373]

>>7700106
If you think constant save and load is "fixing bad game design", then obviously using game genie/shark to make your character invincible should be too.
Play the game as it was intended or accept the fact you can't finish old games without cheating.

[Anonymous No.7700458]

>>7698327
They're not bad and I don't really have any problem with people using them, as long as you don't go around acting like you actually beat the games that you used savestates to get through. In that case, you're just being dishonest.

>>7698808
This picture gets me every single time and has for years now.

[Anonymous No.7700468]

>>7700080
So here we are. Thank you for your time.
>>7700106
I am inclined to agree with you, but there is one core distinction: Games are not made for single person, and so we can't expect for a challenge to cater to our individual weaknesses. If you choose to take the easy route, you are only pleasing those fuckers at galoobjob postmortem.

I am inclined to agree with you regarding when challenge is fair. Despite that, challenge is hardly fair. If you have a healthy appreciation for challenge, you can find what made that challenge worthwhile. When you can look past the game's challenges and into the mind of the people that made them, you are offered an opportunity to see things in the same way as another from a past time.

That is soul. That is why I play retro. That is why I care about retro.
I am inclined to thank you for reminding me.
/melodrama

[Anonymous No.7700669]

>>7698327
It's cheating.

[Anonymous No.7701318]

They can be used to remove the challenge from games.

Games are fun because they present a challenge for you to overcome.

If you remove that challenge in order to avoid frustration, you remove the fun at the same as the frustration.

You might feel justified because you think the game is flawed or antiquated, but if it's that flawed just find a better game to play.

You're only cheating yourself.

[Anonymous No.7702486]

>>7701318
I'm mostly in favor of save states, but gotta agree with you. If one abuses them, then the challenge will go away and the game will have very little to offer. Your way is saner: find a game more suited to one's abilities and taste. You'll have more motivation to overcome the challenges and play that game better.

[Anonymous No.7702507]

>>7698327
Consistency is skill, remove the need for consistency remove the need for skill. Any game is easy if you save every few seconds and undo any mistake you may make.

[Anonymous No.7703918]

>>7700082
>12 digits
>Long ass password

[Anonymous No.7704236]

>>7698371
Beat what?
Continues or a lives counter reaching zero does not mean the player needs to beat all the previous stages that he already beat just to be able to try again where he failed.
8 bit and 16 bits era games were made that way because they were too short. Not because of a clever, genuine game design or "how it is intended to be played". Just imagine a consumer from the 90s buying a $60 game, getting home to play and beating it in 1 hour? "Total ripoff!" So the devs, to avoid this, inserted a life counter to artificially make the game last longer.
Meanwhile, many PC games from the 90s, not contentwise limited by a cartridge, offer a save game (save state) whenever the player wants.

[Anonymous No.7704352]

>>7704236
>Continues or a lives counter reaching zero does not mean the player needs to beat all the previous stages that he already beat just to be able to try again where he failed.
Yeah it kinda does
>8 bit and 16 bits era games were made that way because they were too short.
It was because of space constraints. It would be a short game if it were easy and you could retry from exactly where you died
>Just imagine a consumer from the 90s buying a $60 game, getting home to play and beating it in 1 hour? "Total ripoff!"
You say that like it didn't happen. The Great Waldo Hunt for NES was famously panned by critics and players alike because you can beat it in ten minutes
>So the devs, to avoid this, inserted a life counter to artificially make the game last longer.
Because starting from the beginning after every game over would totally be way shorter. Yeah, right.
You seem to want a game that isn't too difficult and allows you to retry right from where you died, but you want a long game that rewards you for playing with skill. You can't have it both ways with 8- and 16-bit systems.
>many PC games from the 90s, not contentwise limited by a cartridge, offer a save game (save state) whenever the player wants.
Ignoring how there are numerous games that don't offer that, reloading a save wasn't exactly instantaneous. You wouldn't make careless mistakes unless you were completely out of ideas on what to do to progress.
tl;dr Game space was limited and games were made to be hard because of that. If you can't handle that, stop trying to justify yourself to people that won't accept you beat the game legitimately as you are wasting your time that could be spent savescumming so you can beat the game you desperately want to clear and then never play again

[Anonymous No.7705064]

>>7702507
This. Pretty much. Replaying stages makes you more consistent in your gameplay. It really shows in arcade games.

[Anonymous No.7705150]

>>7702507
BASED

[Anonymous No.7705159]

>>7698327
Because using save states (assuming you're using it for restarting when you die etc) completely changes the gaming experience from what it is intended to be and what it's /supposed/ to be. It's analogous to using a game genie for everything, but as far as I remember cheatcodefags aren't constantly trying to justify themselves. Of course, there are reasonable exceptions; i.e. using it as a save feature for a long game if you're busy.

Also fuck Zoomers and fuck jannies, 6th gen doesn't belong on /vr/, this board used to be not terrible but now it's just /v/-lite.

[Anonymous No.7705183]

>>7705159
>6th gen doesn't belong on /vr/,
It does now. Cope faggot.

[Anonymous No.7705195]

>>7705159
>what it is intended to be
Stop that cringefest. Most of 8-16 bit era games wasn't EENTEHDENT to be hard as fuck that was merely a lack of established gamedesign knowledge and proper testing (i.e. Battletoads).

[Anonymous No.7705204]

>>7705183

[Anonymous No.7705210]

>>7698327
> being able to instantly reset and retry infinity times with zero penalties
> it's not cheating

[Anonymous No.7705574]

>>7705204
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.7705593]

>>7698852
>anger
>mad
>”wife and kids bro, wife and kids”
lmao it’s so unbelievably cringe

[Anonymous No.7705628]

>>7704352
>You seem to want a game that isn't too difficult and allows you to retry right from where you died, but you want a long game that rewards you for playing with skill. You can't have it both ways with 8- and 16-bit systems.
Wizards and warriors 1 my dude! It's the perfect game for this. Unlimited continues exactly where you left off, but you have swarms of enemies and you need real skill to avoid or defeat them all, plus all the platforming and puzzle and collecting shit going on, and all the choices in different power ups, its a good skill rewarding difficult game that doesn't kick your ass and say "nah faggot you have to start from the beginning" if you die.

Also fuck you

[Anonymous No.7705707]

So antisavestate fags can't do anything without baby analogies and funny pictures. Just as INTENDED.

[Anonymous No.7706489]

>>7705707
>t. guy that didn't read the thread

[Anonymous No.7706536]

>>7705628
I'll agree that is an underrated gem of a game, but your score does get reset if you game over, just to make it obvious that you didn't do a perfect clear.

Also, don't later games send you back if you died? It's not as bad as starting from the title screen but it's not like those games don't punish bad play.