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There were no good games before the NES, were there?

>> No.769787

>babby's first /vg/ troll

>> No.769794

>>769782
Well yeah, but they were all on computers

You notice that the retro game pricing bubble has not affected 2nd gen games, which are largely available for under $10 unless it's a rarity like Chase The Chuck Wagon

>> No.769802

>>769794
Actually the bubble mostly just affects Nintendo consoles; Sega and PS1 games are not going for nearly the same nutty prices

>> No.769809

>>769802
R-Type Delta still goes for $50-60. That's too damn much for an old PS1 game that wasn't even all that rare

>> No.769810

>>769794
Activision's games were mostly good, although not many are on the Atari 2600

>> No.769824

>>769794
There was a 2nd gen bubble about 10-12 years ago, but it was mostly just nostalgiafags buying them and it soon dissipated. Now, while some people buying NES/SNES games may be nostalgiafags, I'd wager the majority are hipsters who obey the commands of their lord and master James Rolfe.

>> No.769829

Don't forget arcades.

>> No.769862

>>769802
I've seen Saturn and Dreamcast games that were even rare going for like 80 and 90 dollars

>> No.769871

>>769824
>hipsters
>james rolfe
lolwut

>> No.770118
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770118

fuck you, Adventure was and is awesome

>> No.770125

The arcade ports on colecovision were alright.

>> No.770143

>>769824
>There was a 2nd gen bubble about 10-12 years ago, but it was mostly just nostalgiafags buying them and it soon dissipated

Kind of odd considering those guys would be in their 30s-40 now and have disposable income

>> No.770150

>>770143
You have to consider that we're not talking normalfags, but neckbeards that weight 400 pounds and live in their mom's basement. They all died of heart attacks or diabetes or their moms threw them out of the house.

>> No.772539

>>770125
It was not a bad system, although of course they just built it from parts bin stuff and didn't have their own chipset like Atari

>> No.772561

There's a reason why the market crashed, and that reason is the second gen consoles. Before the NES, most decent developers just made the game for arcades because they didn't want to have to deal with all that bullshit.

>> No.774417

>>769782
Liar

>> No.774978

>>770118
SOMEBODY GET THIS FREAKIN DUCK AWAY FROM ME

>> No.774989

>In order to appreciate a system, to had to be born around the time it was released.
Why do people think this?
I was a Nintendo/DOS kid. My cousins had a Genesis, but whenever I went to their house, I always wanted to play their VCS.
Then again, I think arcade games are the pinnacle of the medium, so maybe I'm biased.

>> No.775118

>>769862
Well, the Saturn and Dreamcast were essentially failures, and had less games made, correct? (The Saturn especially.)

But yea, I'd say the bubble is almost entirely NES/SNES games. Very few other games consoles had games bubble that much. Even games on the Genesis and SNES' the SNES port is almost always more expensive.

>> No.775143

>>775118
>But yea, I'd say the bubble is almost entirely NES/SNES games

And N64

>> No.775172

>>769871
>hipsters
>Game Grumps
>Pat the NEs Punk

Fixed.

>> No.775197

Archon.
Hitch hiker's guide to the galaxy.
Sokoban.

>> No.775216

>retro means Nintendo
>>>/v/

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Fucking Warlords.
/thread

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>>774989
That opinion drives me nuts, but I have to admit that it holds some merit when we're talking about second gen. I was born in 1993, love the fuck out of my NES and my SNES, but there are only a handful of Atari games that can hold my attention. Even the Atari greats like Pitfall 1 and Yars' Revenge are just straight up TOO minimal for me.

There are some exceptions: Warlords, Pitfall II, and a couple of homebrews, but other than that the Atari just doesn't do it for me, even though the NES does. I didn't grow up with either, though.

>> No.775313

>>775294
>in b4 moving goalpost.

>There's a reason why the market crashed, and that reason is the second gen consoles.
Oh yeah I can use idiot logic too.
There's a reason why the market got huge, and that reason is the second gen consoles.

The reason why console market crashed was because of employee mistreatment, system adapters, oversaturation of games which few could afford to buy a significant amount of in a time frame needed to recoup losses before technology overshadowed them, poor business decisions. There's a slew of shit that went wrong not just one thing and it definitely wasn't the very same thing that even made the industry in the first place.

First gen consoles were dick and you can only have so many different manufacturers of the same fucking pong game before no one gives a shit.
Seriously, it was maganavox pong, atari pong, telstar pong, nintendo pong, telsstar pong with woodgrain, telstar pong with detached paddles, telstar pong with color, magnavox with people instead of paddles, maganox pong against a wall for two players.
Shit was awful up until second gen. Sure it was heaven if you liked dishing out cash for every minor version of a pong machine in history.

>> No.776812

>>775118
Saturn had more games than N64 (520 vs 335)

>>775301
Only people who didn't live through an era can objectively judge it because they don't have any nostalgia bias. I can thus judge the 2nd gen, but I would not be able to judge the 5th gen fairly.

>> No.776819

>>776812
Not really, because you're still comparing it to your own nostalgic experiences.

>> No.776852 [DELETED] 

Nolan Bushnell sold Atari off to Warner Communications in 1978. They tried marketing video games like movies and TV, an idea that would make sense today, but was too far ahead of its time. It could not work at that early stage.

After the Warner sale, Ray Kassar became CEO of Atari after 25 years at Burlington Industries (a North Carolina-based textile producer unaffiliated with Burlington Coat Factory). He was a typical businessman who didn't give a shit about video games and concerned himself only with how much money he could make from Atari's stocks. Kassar freely spent company money on personal things such as a private chauffeur and a chef who came into the office every day to cook his lunch. After the crash began to unfold, Kassar was ejected by the Board of Directors in September 1983 and subsequently investigated by the SEC for embezzlement (the charges were later dropped).

In 1979, a group of Atari programmers began demanding that they be credited for their work and also receive royalties like any TV or movie writer. Kassar flat-out told them "You don't deserve anything. You're merely the equivalent of the the guy who assembles products on a factory line." Thus the disgruntled programmers left to found Activision, the first-ever third party console developer. While Atari tried to sue them, they lost and the way was open for anyone to produce games on the Atari 2600.

>> No.776853

>>776819
When did I say I was doing that?

>> No.776859

Nolan Bushnell sold Atari off to Warner Communications in 1978. They tried marketing video games like movies and TV, an idea that would make sense today, but was too far ahead of its time. It could not work at that early stage.

After the Warner sale, Ray Kassar became CEO of Atari after 25 years at Burlington Industries (a North Carolina-based textile producer unaffiliated with Burlington Coat Factory). He was a typical businessman who didn't care in the least about video games and concerned himself mostly with how much money he could make from Atari's stocks. Kassar freely spent company money on personal things such as a private chauffeur and a chef who came into the office every day to cook his lunch. After the crash began to unfold, Kassar was ejected by the Board of Directors in September 1983 and subsequently investigated by the SEC for embezzlement (the charges were later dropped).

In 1979, a group of Atari programmers began demanding that they be credited for their work and also receive royalties like any TV or movie writer. Kassar flat-out told them "You don't deserve squat. You're merely the equivalent of the guy who assembles products on a factory line." Thus the disgruntled programmers left to found Activision, the first-ever third party console developer. While Atari tried to sue them, they lost and the way was open for anyone to produce games on the Atari 2600.

>> No.776892

In addition to market oversaturation, it was obvious that video games weren't progressing design or technology-wise. Developers continued to churn out second-rate clones of Pac-Man, Donkey Kong, and Galaxian. Many games were produced by fly-by-night outfits attempting to cash in on the video game craze and the results typically ranged from mediocre to terrible. There were overall far too many games, consoles, clones of consoles, and peripherals available, and not for cheap prices either, a typical Atari 2600 cartridge retailing for $40-$50. Arcades started acquiring a negative reputation as dirty places where teenagers sold drugs.

Finally it all came crashing down. By the middle of 1983, people suddenly stopped buying video games. The result was chaotic; Atari stocks went from blue-chip status to junk bond overnight. Dozens of game developers shut down or dropped out of the business, and retailers began selling formerly $40 games for less than $10 just to get rid of them.

>> No.776894

>>776892
>and retailers began selling formerly $40 games for less than $10 just to get rid of them

Ha ha, I remember as a kid going to the mall in 1985 and being able to get a new Atari game every visit (two carts for $5 usually). Man, I thought the crash ruled.

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776913

Sup

>> No.776921

>>776892

>Arcades started acquiring a negative reputation as dirty places where teenagers sold drugs.

But they WERE. I used to buy my weed from some kid named Dermot every couple of weeks. I think the owner knew, but I remember seeing him talk to Dermot in his office from time to time.

>> No.776931

>>776892
I wonder if the great-video-game-bubble will pop again

>> No.776937

>>776892
Also, the infamous saga of adult video games: A developer named Mystique began producing pornographic titles for the Atari 2600 such as Beat Em And Eat Em and X-Man. However, the gold-plated straw that broke the camel's back was their release of Custer's Revenge which provoked lawsuits from Atari, Indian, and women's organizations all at once.

By comparison, Nintendo president Hiroshi Yamauchi would openly oppose adult games on the Famicom, not wanting to soil the company's image (although a number of unlicensed ones existed).

>> No.776951

>>770143
We all already have our Atari collections at a place we're happy with and Ataris don't die. I've been keeping mine in my saltwater aquarium. It's fine.

>> No.776953

>>776951
The irony being of course you're actually underage and a bad /v/ troll, but oh well.

>> No.776956

>>776953
srsly fuck you faggot. You are the one who is underage.

>> No.776958

>>776956
It takes one to know one, broski

>> No.776959

>>776953
>>776953

>>776894 here

Actually I don't know any guys who collect that stuff. Otherwise we wouldn't see Atari carts selling for under $10 now.

>> No.776961

>>776953
How am I trolling? I'm a 36 year old man with my baby on my lap and I own two heavy sixers plus a 7800 and a 5200 with a broken power jack that is on my workbench to be repaired. The only Atari console I have been considering buying is a French 7800 to get RGB out for the PVM I bought after this board convinced me what a good idea they are

>I also bought an old Esprit CRT projector with RGB and Composite cards that I may or may not have time to fuck with.

>> No.776963

>>776959
Well regardless of what >>776951 says, there's hardly anything from the 2nd gen worth collecting, so I can buy that. Even guys who could be nostalgic for the 2nd gen have said to me "You know, video games really weren't good until the NES"

>> No.776965

>>776961
You don't act very mature. Please explain >>776956

>> No.776964

>>776812
>Saturn had more games than N64 (520 vs 335)
More games, but less sales in regions outside of Japan, meaning less actual copies available.

Also, Nintendo.

>> No.776968

>>776965
I did not post that, you stupid nigger /v/ autist

>> No.776974

>>776961
>I'm a 36 year old man with my baby on my lap

>he has an inflatable sex doll on his lap

Welp, it is 4chan so you're in good company. Not like nobody here ever had sex with an actual vagina anyway.

>> No.776973

Asteroids, Pong, Defender, Pac man, Pitfall, Dizzy, Space invaders, ect, ect, ect.

>> No.776978

>>776963
I certainly spent a lot of my childhood playing bad video games then. It's true that for practically every good VCS game there's a better version of it on another platform but it was great at what it did at the time.

>> No.776979

>>776974
Jesus Christ, fuck you trolls

>> No.776985

>>776978
>It's true that for practically every good VCS game there's a better version of it on another platform but it was great at what it did at the time

Not even close. Almost every other console and computer ran circles around it back then.

>> No.776991

>>776978
are you samefag as >>776979, >>776968, >>776961, and >>776956, or differentfag

>> No.776997

>>776991
No I'm only this guy >>776978, not the other posts you quoted

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>>776991

>> No.777001

>>776974
0/10

>> No.777008
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777008

>this thread

>> No.777009

>>776974
err, wouldn't it be assumed he meant a baby as in a child?

>> No.777012

>>777009
That would of course imply people on here have sex

>> No.777018

>>777016
Whoops, forgot my sage

>> No.777016

>>777012
Why is it that you can't imaginably believe anyone who's in his 30s on here could possibly be a normal, socially-adjusted person with a job and a family. Oh no, we must all be wizards or some kind of psychopathic pedophiles.

>> No.777017

>>776985
>Reading comprehension
We are saying the same thing

>>776991
I'm obviously a different guy than the one who's saging. Why would I make worthwhile posts and then turn around and sage with insulting profanity?

>> No.777024

>>776997
>Someone linking to one of my posts claiming it is his but he is not me.

>> No.777021

>>775313
This

>> No.777023

>>777017
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder

>> No.777026

>>777016
DON'T LET THE TROLLS GET TO YOU. TOGETHER WE CAN DRIVE /V/ OUT OF /VR/

¡VIVA LA REVOLUCION!

>> No.777027

>>776993
>>776993
>>776993
>>776993
>>776993
>>776993
/thread

>> No.777028

This thread is everything that's wrong with this board.

Or rather it would be if ParkerPeters were here.

>> No.777029

>>776973
Robotron
Xevious

>> No.777032

>>777028
>implying he's not posting in here with his trip off

>> No.777031

Welp, this thread has officially become /v/-level

For shame, /vr/. I thought we were above this.

>> No.777034

>>777031
Honey, did you ever think that a board which shares most of its userbase with /v/ would not become /v/ in short order?

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>>777034
Mmmmm, short-order pancakes with honey

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>>777036
I lol'd. You quick, Boy.

>> No.777042

>>776961
I'm 33

Goddammit, we come here to get away from /v/ and its 15 yo userbase and instead they follow us to /vr/. Fuck all of you guys with a 13" black cock-shaped vibrator.

>> No.777043

>>777042
Yeah I bet you do crave 13" black cock

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>>777042
No, BBC
You are the /v/

>> No.777050

>>777042
Just resist the urge to stoop to their level. Embrace your role as a guide to the world of /vr/ who was there for it.

>> No.777052

>>776951 here

LEMME EXPLAIN SO YOU STUPID MORONS GET IT. WE ALREADY HAVE ALL OUR ATARI COLLECTIONS. WE'RE DONE, ZILCH, ZAP, NADDA.

NOW FUCK ALL OF YOU TO HELL. SCREW YOU GUYS, I'M GOING HOME.

>> No.777056

>>777050
>Embrace your role as a guide to the world of /vr/ who was there for it.

Oh look it's this troll again

Hurp gtfo off our board, teenagers. u werent there so quit stealing my childhood. 30 yos rule!

>> No.777060

>>777056
Young people who are here to learn and enjoy retro video games are like my favorite people on this forum.

>> No.777057

>>777043
No but I know your mom does

>> No.777059

>>777052
What's your point? I don't read you.

>> No.777064

Moot, please delete /vr/. This board has forfeited its right to live.

>> No.777061

>>777050
He told people to fuck themselves with a black cock shaped vibrator and you're asking him not to stoop to the level of /v/

Uh...

>> No.777068

>>777016
Hey I don't care if you're 30 or 50. But you know and I know we're all psychotic pedophiliac wizards. Embrace who you are, who _we_ are.

One of us, one of us!

>> No.777071

>>777068
But I'm not a wizard. I lost mine at 15...

>> No.777074

>>777071
...to another man

>> No.777079

>>777050

>>777042 here

Nah fuck this shit. I'm just going to go to AtariAge or some other more civilized retro game site.

>> No.777080

>>777061
I doubt it's the same person just because they're both saging.

captcha: hipsurv whatsoever

>> No.777081

>>777079
Don't let the door hit you on the way out, buddy boy

>> No.777089

>>777079
>AtariAge
So many namefags

>> No.777091

Returning to what I said earlier before the thread got ruined, people who lived through an era of gaming are biased and unfit to judge it. Thus I can rate the 2nd gen fairly, but not the 5th. Similarly, a kid born in 2000 could rate the 5th fairly, but not the 7th.

>> No.777095

>>777059
I think he's implying all the 2nd gen nostalgiafags quit collecting because they got whatever they wanted 10 years ago.

>> No.777104

>>777095

>>776894 here

That isn't my experience at all. The nostalgiafags you speak of were in their early 20s then and had loads of free time on their hands. They grew up and had kids or whatever and sold off their collections due to lack of time/space/money.

I have no old consoles at home personally.

>> No.777106

>>777104
if you ask me, he's probably projecting and assumes all do as he does

>> No.777112

>>777110
In fact I am not. I'm not rating anything against anything.

>> No.777110

>>777091
...but you're still not rating it fairly since you'd be comparing your own nostalgia against said earlier era of gaming

>> No.777114

>>777104
did you know any of them personally?

>> No.777117

>this thread
It's like I'm actually on /v/!

>> No.777119

>>777114
>>777104
I'm one of these people and I'm here to tell you that I haven't bought a VCS game in a long long time, not even boxed, because I got everything that I wanted a long time ago. This doesn't mean that I haven't bought anything 2nd gen though. My 5200 with the broken power jack is a fairly recent acquisition from the 99 cent bin and I buy any boxed Intellivision and Colecovision games I see. I would also buy any boxed 5200 game but damn are they uncommon

>> No.777123

>>777119
>I'm one of these people and I'm here to tell you that I haven't bought a VCS game in a long long time, not even boxed, because I got everything that I wanted a long time ago

And then your mom threw you out of the basement and dumped your game collection in the nearest Dumpster.

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>>777119
I should have bought these when I had the chance a few months ago though.

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>>777117
Yeah I agree. This thread fucking sucks.

This is now a Gianna Michaels thread

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>> No.777131

>>777123
Nah my grandma died and I moved all my stuff into her basement.

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>> No.777148

>>777126
You're not helping.

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>>777153
>>777150
>>777143
>>777142
>this thread

>> No.777169

Err, is there any reason to collect 2nd gen stuff outside nostalgia?

>> No.777173

>>777148
Why...do you like Lexie Belle better?

>> No.777172

>>777150

you really needed to post that?

>> No.777175

>>776921
>Dermot

Idk why that's so funny

>> No.777178

>>776937
>pornographic titles for the Atari 2600

How would someone get off to that?

>> No.777176

>>777173

Yes I do

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>> No.777183

>>777169
There's some rare and valuable stuff. 2nd generation /= VCS although there are some valuable VCS games in the world. I've generally found they're not even worth sifting through the crates of worthless VCS games that are at every thrift store though,

>> No.777185

>>777169
No. I was around back then and I'll admit that NES easily > Atari 2600

>> No.777190

>>777178
Have you looked at a Playboy magazine lately using your Internet standards for pornography?

>> No.777194

>>777183
>2nd generation =/= VCS although

No but it was the most dominant platform of that era

>> No.777196

>>777185
>3rd gen > 2nd gen
No one is arguing that

>> No.777202

>>777178
That's like asking how someone can get off to a gross landwhale like Gianna Michaels

>> No.777205

Cripes, the janitor must be really out to lunch or something

>> No.777203

>>777194
But that doesn't necessarily mean it is the best or the most worthy of collecting.

>> No.777208

>>777128
Saw Gianna at the front page, had to come and say hi.
>tfw no pornstar gf
>Megaman 5 was too easy

Greetings from /fit/

>> No.777223

>>777208
Sup Dude? You must have just got lucky on the order the first time you played MM5.. Or you read a guide.

>> No.777235

>>777223
I watched a race before playing so I had a couple of ideas, like star man or stone man to start and how to continue from each one.
Still the bosses were easier even than that Street Fighter crossover.

Also, I was on roids the whole time.

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>> No.777303

Make a friend of the coyote
He will always tell it like it is
Take council the bear
Back on the Res

When we would sail the phoenix
Feather on the sea
Thunderbird at midnight
Per chance did meet

Swallow took the sun
From that bitter ground
And now we were heavy
With the burden of a crown

We are the King of Arizona
We are the King of Arizona

Townies are a helpless people
They are busy in their troubled games
Damn their parliament of needles
They know not a lineage of names

We are the King of Arizona
We are the King of Arizona

>> No.777348

That woman is depressingly ugly.

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>> No.777387

>>777348
>implying attractive porn actresses exist

>> No.777438

>>777348
she's stunning

>> No.777539

The Atari VCS is like the Model T Ford. It introduced gaming to the masses and blah blah blah the history and all that, but it was quite embarrassingly crude and you'd hate to play/drive in one.

>> No.777564

>>777438

no dude, just no....

>> No.777610

>>769802
Sony has curbed most of the demand by putting it on their network, and allowing it to be shared across an account.
It's not that there's less a demand now, but people will rather buy the $10 download, play the game through there, and won't be prone to impulses buying a game just because they finally found it. They'll wait until they can find it cheap enough.

Nintendo is going to go much the same way, only diehards looking to collect are going to drive prices up.

>> No.779185

>>777235
The games are dick easy if you know those two things you mentioned. Wily stage can be another story but if I remember right 5's is pretty weak.

>> No.779210

Pitfall and Yar's Revenge were pre-NES.

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>>776979
>>776974
>>776958
>>776953

Mark down this day in your calendar, guys. I think this thread is a fitting beginning to the end. This is where /vr/ finally finished its transformation into /v/, the sequel.

>> No.779336

>>779324
Or, instead of being a massive tool, you fucking report the posts and move on. You're as bad as the neo-/v/ retards.

>> No.779346

>>779336
Holy spitballs dawg, I can report shit?
How do I do that do.