Is pinball style over substance?

[Anonymous No.7685797]

Most of the time you're just watching a ball bounce around with little interaction from the player. Pretty shitty for a game, don't you think?

[Anonymous No.7685802]

I too enjoy speaking on topics which I don't understand.

[Anonymous No.7685816]

>>7685797
They Ain't Gonna Like This One!!!! But It's True.

[Anonymous No.7685819]

>>7685797
I love the Lord of the Rings pinball machine. It's truly amazing. Pinheads hate it because it has "long ball times". They suck.

[Anonymous No.7685825]

>>7685819
new tables do kinda feel like easy mode compared to the old stuff. 20sec+ ball saves and so on. something like terminator 2 is hard as shit by comparison

[Anonymous No.7685847]

Based. Fuck dimwitball

[Anonymous No.7685862]

>>7685825
I get it if you own the machine but if you are paying then you would want to get good value.

[Anonymous No.7685872]

>>7685797
cringe

[Anonymous No.7685896]

>>7685819
Pinheads do not hate the Lord of the Rings pinball machine, it's one of the most beloved pinball machines of all time. Check the pinside rankings.

[Anonymous No.7685901]

>>7685797
Watch some video of good pinball players playing.
Search "pinball tournament" on youtube.

[Anonymous No.7685912]

>>7685901
>watch people on Youtube and Twitch play
>Go to a local pinball place
>no ball save, half the time the ball drains right after launch because neither flipper can reach it

[Anonymous No.7685935]

This pinball machine was great. I spent half my time on it alone whenever I was at my local arcade as a kid.

[Anonymous No.7685939]

>>7685912
learn 2 slap. i'm not even very good at it but most of my drains are in the gutters at this point

[Anonymous No.7685954]

>>7685797
>>7685816
>>7685847
Scrubs.

[Anonymous No.7686591]

>>7685797
When you're old enough to reach both flipper buttons at the same time you'll be able to play instead of just watching from your dads shoulders.

[Anonymous No.7686612]

>>7686591
How the fuck is he able to watch over his dad's shoulders? A kid with gigantism?

[Anonymous No.7686835]

But pinball is entirely skill-based.

Want to play long? Make good shots.
Want to have a big score? Make good shots.
Want the machine to knock loud as shit, letting the whole bar know how much of a pussy-magnet you could be? Make good shots.

[Anonymous No.7686975]

>>7686835
>the sound of the knocker filling the entire arcade when you earn a free game
I swear there's no one sound more satisfying.

[Anonymous No.7687000]

>>7686612
Incredible

[Anonymous No.7687030]

>>7685847
>>7685797
If Pinball had a transsexual following these boys would suddenly become fans.
>>7685901
Don't do this. I grew to love Pinball by playing machines while waiting for my food at the pub. Also got good at Light gun games this way also.

[Anonymous No.7687226]

>he doesn't know pinball has objectives

[Anonymous No.7687268]

>>7685797
>with little interaction from the player

Wow you fucking suck at pinball.

[Anonymous No.7687287]

>put the coin in
>launch the ball
>slap it around randomly a few times with great excitement
>miss
>oh well, that was fun I guess

Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.7687305]

>>7687268
>pinball elitist

Boy, /vr/ has truly sank to new lows

[Anonymous No.7687323]

>>7687287
Acquire proficiency

[Anonymous No.7687494]

>>7686612
You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if your IQ is under 18
Jesus H Fucking Christ

[Anonymous No.7687513]

>>7686975
and it always turns heads

[Anonymous No.7687517]

>>7685797
Yes, but not for the reason you claim. Pinball is a bad game because there is no risk/reward trade-off. The key to high scores is playing safe and boring. The best games try to encourage dangerous shots, but even so it's rarely worth taking them. If you want to win then you find some safe but mediocre shot, and repeat it as many times as possible.

[Anonymous No.7687525]

>>7687287
Kys

[Anonymous No.7687771]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad_69jYEW_k

>>7687517
most machines do not have this problem

[Anonymous No.7687917]

>>7685797
Pinball is 100% substance.

bumps
ramps
flipping
spinning
aiming
shooting
multi tasking

[Anonymous No.7688019]

>>7687305
>scottformer threads
>sega system threads
>bernie posting
>Romero hates rekkr threads

This isn't even a dip in terms of /vr/. It's not like he's even wrong or anything. If you think pinball is purely random, you fucking suck and need to git gud. Do it, it's fun.

[Anonymous No.7688045]

>>7687517
post scores or shut up

[Anonymous No.7688074]

>>7685797
Why are pinball emulators so far behind SNES OR Genesis?

[Anonymous No.7688080]

>>7687771
This is way way way too much screen distraction and mode dependence for me. Give me a basic DMD any day over this, though I'm sure everyone else will love it.

[Anonymous No.7688091]

>>7688080
I'm with you, DMD and alphanumeric are the best. I don't mind one or two good video modes, but everything else is distracting and takes away from the playfield.

[Anonymous No.7688097]

>>7688080
You would probably enjoy something like Total Nuclear Annihilation, check it out

[Anonymous No.7688106]

>>7688097
You'd be right. I absolutely loved that game.

[Anonymous No.7688184]

>>7688097
That game is so fucking fun. I love how the multiball starts.

[Anonymous No.7688189]

>>7685896
>one of the most beloved pinball machines of all time
>a stern

also top kek @ you thinking pinside rankings mean anything

[Anonymous No.7688216]

>>7688184
My favorite Multiball is Star Wars by Data East. You shoot the Death Star to trigger it, and for the Jackpot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v83p6_itYrg

[Anonymous No.7688237]

>>7688074
The fuck are you talking about? Visual Pinball's VPinMAME tables are excellent. You just gotta find the right tables.

https://www.vpforums.org/index.php?app=downloads&showfile=15388

[Anonymous No.7688296]

>>7688106
I was shocked how classic it plays for how new it is. Feels like a mad scientist project. Amazing look.
>>7688216
That looks like a lot of fun, it kinda reminds me of Funhouse.

[Anonymous No.7688350]

Yesterday I went to a Museum (more of a warehouse) with over 80 tables all refurbished. Very cool place. I played Simpsons Pinball Party for three hours. I also tried their SF2 table.

[Anonymous No.7688365]

>>7688296
Pinball pros don't like it overall since it's more spectacle than challenge, but I've got nostalgia for it.

[Anonymous No.7688438]

>>7685825
Lot has no ball save, I too enjoy talking about things of which i know nothing.

[Anonymous No.7688636]

What is too be it is good pinball n shit?

[Anonymous No.7688660]

>>7688438
im just talking about newer tables in general like all those stern ones with the button on them. pull the dick out of your ass anon

[Anonymous No.7688879]

>>7688237
I love vpx recreations way more than the junk FX3 puts out.

Some of the original creations people put out using VPX are amazing too. Cartoons is a great one, it's supposed to be a shit kicked pinball machine that barely works and there are roaches crawling all over it that you can chase with the ball. I must have played this for hours and hours when I first downloaded it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDM0dfp5L60

[Anonymous No.7688993]

>>7688660
>I'm just generalizing so I don't have to deal with the shame of being wrong on the internet
Come on, now. Either be specific or don't bother

[Anonymous No.7689002]

>>7688365
You know, there's nothing wrong with a less challenging table. It's like those people that think a rating of 8.8 means mediocre. It's still fun, and a chill game is still comfy. Stay based

[Anonymous No.7689008]

I love pinball. there's something so charming about how unashamedly deranged the community is

[Anonymous No.7689009]

[Anonymous No.7689029]

>>7689002
It's got all the presentation that I'd want, from the moving Death Star and R2 parts, to the classic pulpy looking artwork of the table itself. The sound quality is divine, especially for the age-- it was 1992, same year as Addams Family. Not to slight Addams, but the audio samples and music is really rough to my ears. Star Wars comes out blazing with some crisp and clear voices from the movies, and that music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pk-Zz1G_X8

[Anonymous No.7689207]

>>7688296
>>7688365
Pinheads don't dislike Funhouse. It's one of the best regarded 80s games.

[Anonymous No.7689246]

>>7687030
My local pub also had Addams Family. Raul Julia yelling SHOWTIME!!! and JACKPOT! when you got the multiball was the absolute shit.

[Anonymous No.7689251]

Style is a very important substance, anon.

[Anonymous No.7690068]

>>7687030
>it's a Saturday afternoon in the summer while Dad and his buddies drink, watch the NASCAR Busch Race, boxing, and shoot pool.
>Ms. Lizzie opens the bar's No Good Gofers pinball and gives me 20 credits (plus 20 on Neo-Geo with King of Monsters, Samurai Showdown, Baseball Stars and Metal Slug)
>Now remember Anon, you just let me know you are hungry and I'll get you some quesadillas from Julio next door.
>You can go to the cooler and get a Pepsi or Dr. Pepper whenever you want
>Just let me know when you need more credits too honey
>Get to play pinball and Neo-Geo with some bomb ass quesadillas those Saturdays of summer

[Anonymous No.7690074]

>>7688350
I saw that played in a city arcade at a private party in the 90s. Never got to play and have never seen one since then. A grail if you will.

>>7687287
>Me and the Judge Dredd table

[Anonymous No.7690078]

>>7690068
>No Good Gofers
Patrician choice, anon.
I hope you repaid Lizzie.

[Anonymous No.7690128]

>>7690074
Confess, anon.

[Anonymous No.7690148]

Got this on The Game Show recently.

Nah. Honestly i like trying to decipher how to play machines and what the best moves are. Fast paced, physical in a way that console games can't compare to.

You don't know what you are talking about is what I am saying OP

[Anonymous No.7690157]

>>7685797
Zoomers who have never touched a real pinball machine need to GTFO.

Space Cadet is fun AF though.

[Anonymous No.7690167]

>>7689008
Something that always surprises me at times is with tournaments or events it brings in numbers, even with dinky hole in the wall places.

But unless you got close friends or whatnot interested, you never hear about it anywhere else.

Its a goldilocks of a filter and i hope it stays that way

[Anonymous No.7690204]

>>7690167
I was told about tournaments from the maintenance guy who repaired the machines. I never saw the point to a pinball tournament. A Madden tournament makes more sense.

[Anonymous No.7690283]

>>7690204
they're games, and better players will always beat worse players. as a whole though it's more an excuse to get together and run up bar tabs. you're also statistically less likely to get shot at a pinball tournament than at a madden tournament

[Anonymous No.7691604]

>>7690283
The thing about pinball is that there's enough luck that you can beat players who are a few skill-levels better than you ocassionally. Like Poker, or Magic the Gathering.

[Anonymous No.7691615]

>>7689207
He was saying the Star Wars pin was not highly regarded, I said the jackpot/multiball target reminded me of Funhouse. I didn't say Funhouse wasn't highly regarded, anyone knowledgable about pins knows Pat Lawlor makes good tables.

[Anonymous No.7691619]

>>7691615
>Pat Lawlor makes good tables
It kills me to know that Safecracker's playfield is slowly warping in the middle

[Anonymous No.7691658]

>>7691604
>pinball
>luck
No.

[Anonymous No.7691659]

>>7691604
>Pinball has elements of luck
Maybe if you don't know how to control the ball. It sounds like you don't play pinball very much
>>7691619
I suppose that's a drawback from how the playfield is mounted in the cabinet. It is fixable though

[Anonymous No.7691670]

>>7685797
No, I don't think.

[Anonymous No.7691679]

>>7687494
I second this

[Anonymous No.7691708]

>>7691658
>>7691659
Fine, replace "luck" with "variance". My point stands. You can look at tournament results on IFPA if you don't believe me.

[Anonymous No.7692365]

>>7690128
lol

Even on free-play nights, it would be embarrassing. Creature of the Black Lagoon is another one, but I always want to check out the monster when he lights up.

[Anonymous No.7692369]

>>7690204
Pinball Tournaments are Fun

[Anonymous No.7692650]

>>7685797
>tfw will never own a pinball machine

[Anonymous No.7692692]

I'm too autistic to loiter in a public place long enough to get good at pinball.

[Anonymous No.7693480]

>>7690068
Dem feels

[Anonymous No.7693491]

I suck at pinball yet I managed to get world record (tm) according to pinside

[Anonymous No.7693569]

>>7692365
It have mixed feelings about Creature: it plays great, the sound and animations are great, but I always felt like there's pretty much nothing to do: spell FILM, get multiball, repeat. Maybe I didn't get it.

[Anonymous No.7694023]

>People think pinball is literally bing bang boop ping pong 100 points

There's rulesets and objectives to complete. There's strategy involved. There is skill required but there's also the random luck element where balls can bounce and drain at any moment.

Pinball is fucking based and it's such a shame tables cost thousands of dollars.

[Anonymous No.7694403]

>>7689246
Local bowling alley growing up had Addams Family, and the laundromat I'd go to put in the Star Wars machine I'd use a quarter or two of my parent's money to play. They didn't have TVs there, so there was nothing to do while laundry dried.

[Anonymous No.7694442]

Pokemon Pinball is the best pinball video game.
Also shouldn't this thread be on /toy/?

[Anonymous No.7694672]

>>7685802
fpbp

[Anonymous No.7694765]

>>7694442
Look up the sticky, zoomie.

>>7693491
GG mec.

[Anonymous No.7694803]

>>7694023
Nah im fine with the price (up to a point, fuck Stern).
Its ok to be a niche

[Anonymous No.7695704]

>>7694442
>Pokemon Pinball is the best pinball video game.
For me, it's Sonic Spinball.

[Anonymous No.7695718]

>>7695704
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F4gG7rXw1s&list=PL6F7B5E5BFECA1D16

[Anonymous No.7695752]

Lately I've been playing Sonic Pinball Party. What's the definitive video-pinball experience? I've only played the Windows XP one and SPP.
>>7695718
>Call me Margaret Thatcher the Cum Catcher

[Anonymous No.7695859]

The ultimate pinball: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAgGGlZZMCA

There's no value whatsoever in any other pinball game, physical or otherwise. This is objectively the best game of any sort actually. And so it is also the best pinball game.

[Anonymous No.7696126]

>>7694803
Issue is the niche is just rich people, and not "pinball fans"

[Anonymous No.7696343]

>>7685797
>with little interaction from the player.
You clearly have never watched competitive pinball.

[Anonymous No.7696634]

>>7695752
I recall Space Cadet pinball being standard on Windows XP, but I also have memory of Skullduggery and Dragon's Keep Pinball by Maxis being a part of a suite with Space Cadet. I haven't seen them in years, particularly since Microsoft just chose not to fix the bug that broke Space Cadet.
I think all three were originally by Maxis? I might have to go looking around and see if I can find them. I remember being able to download Sim City 2k for free since that's abandoneware too.

[Anonymous No.7696752]

>>7693491
World records don't matter, it's all about tournament results.

[Anonymous No.7696945]

>launch ball
>flip it with paddles
>crazy shit happens
>the LEDs tell me I need to shoot a cannon at another pirate
>what the fuck is happening
>AVAST
>lose all my balls
>had a great time
>go again because I have a free play arcade

[Anonymous No.7696953]

How do I actually git gud at 'ball?

[Anonymous No.7696967]

>>7696953
figure out table goals, synced flips, and practice.

[Anonymous No.7697064]

>>7696953
start with the flipper basics, learn to cradle, learn to make good shots but familiarising with the trajectory of launch from each part of the flipper, go frm there.

[Anonymous No.7697065]

>>7696752
I still can't believe Stern used that terrible artwork, it looks like a random DeviantArt wallpaper.

[Anonymous No.7697081]

>>7691708
The only things that would cause variance would be a direct result of losing control of the ball, such as firing it off target. It really sounds like you believe your just bat the ball around arbitrarily with no direction or strategy to maximize score

[Anonymous No.7697556]

>>7697081
It really sounds like you believe he doesn't just bat the ball around arbitrarily with no direction or strategy.

[Anonymous No.7698458]

>>7696953
Learn a table first and techniques such as flipping like micro flips or nudging, passing is really beneficial too.

If i can give any game you should try as a beginner play Terminator 2.

[Anonymous No.7698502]

>>7697556
No, I believe he does indeed do that. That's why I didn't not say as much.

[Anonymous No.7698795]

>>7696953
A big fat roll of quarters.

[Anonymous No.7698952]

>>7697081
Well, rest assured I don't believe that. My point was simply that upsets are more common in pinball than in other competitions.