Sega Saturn

[Anonymous No.7658662]

we had a pretty chill saturn thread recently. can we have another?

[Anonymous No.7658665]

Still feel like the Daytona port is sub-par.

[Anonymous No.7658701]

what is it about saturn games that makes them feel so special
should i just embrace that i'm a disgusting fart sniffing hipster

[Anonymous No.7658710]

I wish the US longbox Bomberman Saturn wasn't 400-600 CIB. I will always be jealous whenever I see people with one.

[Anonymous No.7658727]

>>7658701
The jank, it's different, it's niche. That's literally it.

[Anonymous No.7658768]

Anyone tried those AliExpress kits that let you turn an original Saturn controller into a wireless one by replacing the PCB?
How's the quality and how's the battery life?

[Anonymous No.7659068]

I want to like pic related but it's just so chaotic and the controls feel really squirrely (as do all treasure games). Maybe I'll get used to it the more I play.

[Anonymous No.7659241]

When are we going to start seeing Saturn clone consoles that can support softmodding or play burnt games?

[Anonymous No.7659248]

>>7659241
why? actual saturns aren't even expensive (the japanese ones)

[Anonymous No.7659253]

>>7659241
Just grab a red Action Replay cart from ebay, you'll be able to play the burnt games you want without even needing to rely on hard mods.

[Anonymous No.7659267]

>>7658665
It's definitely sub par compared to the arcade.
I still think the saturn version is fun. I picked up the saturn version in the sleeve for like $7 and it was well worth it.

[Anonymous No.7659353]

What up Saturn bros?
My saturn collection is still pretty small. I collected saturn years ago, but sold it. Last year a bought a jap saturn and I have a little more than 10 games.

[Anonymous No.7659363]

>>7658662
Is this just a faded Model 2 from Japan or something else?

[Anonymous No.7659394]

>>7659353
In a way I'm envious of how well the Japanese preserve their games and make most of them so widely affordable, save for a few like Cotton 2, Castlevania, or Death Crimson.

[Anonymous No.7659401]

In y'all's honest opinion, does the Saturn have a better 2D library than the SNES?

[Anonymous No.7659434]

The Nigels favourite Saturn game

[Anonymous No.7659435]

>>7659401
Better 2d fighting games?
Certainly.
Better 2d games in general?
Probably not, but it's really subjective.

[Anonymous No.7659443]

Anybody have any trouble with leaking capacitors? I’ve heard of a few Saturn getting leaky caps and I’m getting kinda nervous. I’m not even sure where to buy good quality caps

[Anonymous No.7659457]

>>7659363
Can you please go back to collecting Nintendo shit.

[Anonymous No.7659536]

>>7659435
True. I was a big Sega kid but never had a Saturn (like most people). With no marquee Sonic game or Streets of Rage I thought the whole system was pointless but I've been trying to educate myself on what it had to offer. I'm not into 2D fighting games post-MKII, or RPGs
People have billed it as a 2D powerhouse at the start of the 3D era which is why I asked that question. I want to like it but between my Genesis, PlayStation, and my Dreamcast: what games am I really missing?

[Anonymous No.7659549]

The Saturn was my 5th generation console but I feel like I didn't really plumb the depths.

Now that I have an ODE'd Saturn I want to really broaden my interests in the console but I'm not sure what I should look for.

Saturn racing games seem to be kind of slim pickings.

[Anonymous No.7659570]

>>7659536
Well what games do you like? Maybe try Nights or Die Hard Arcade?

[Anonymous No.7659615]

>>7659549
you got an ode without knowing what you wanted to play? are you wealthy?

[Anonymous No.7659754]

>>7659615
Probably spent half his Bidenbucks on a setup

[Anonymous No.7659771]

I'm so thankful for having a Saturn as a kid which gave me access to many obscure titles.
Now that I'm an adult of course I've played most of the famous all time classics from N64 and Playstation but I seriously doubt people who grew up with those consoles even bother with the Saturn so they are the ones who end up missing out.

[Anonymous No.7660218]

Just got Jonah Lamu Rugby lads

[Anonymous No.7660254]

>>7658662
What is the point of a saturn when the dreamcast exists?

[Anonymous No.7660258]

>>7659549
If you want a racing game to sink your teeth into, Sega Touring Car Championship has some of the tightest controls and absurdly unforgiving difficulty, but oh man it is a dream to play once you've got a feel for the vehicles, which were intentionally designed to handle as close to the real thing as possible. There's even tuning options for the gearheads out there. Did I mention it has Eurobeat tracks in its OST? It has Eurobeat tracks in its OST.

[Anonymous No.7660385]

>>7659771
this game is a masterpiece

[Anonymous No.7660390]

>>7660254
Dreamcast isnt as good as Saturn

[Anonymous No.7660410]

>>7660390
They are about equal in my book.

[Anonymous No.7660429]

>>7660254
I have a saturn and play it more than my playstation 1 and 2. I dont own a dreamcast but ive been thinking about getting another one. Last time i had one the only game i played was elemental gimmick gear and the good ports like tomb raider, tony hawk and soul reaver. I wasn't really impressed or interested with a lot it had to offer. Though capcom vs snk 2 is an exception as is soul calibur.

[Anonymous No.7660461]

>>7659536
Burning rangers is a very arcadey fire fighting game, good fun.

Nights into dreams of course is a good game in general. Some love it, some hate it.

Virtual on is a great mech 3d fighter. It has ports but still fun on the saturn.

Diehard arcade is exactly what it sounds like. Goofy fun arcade diehard game

Bug too is a great slower paced 3d platformer. Its a bit obtuse at first but once you get the hang of it, its chill. Kinda reminds me of garfield for some reason.

Clockwork Knight is a a good game, id equate it to klonoa if i had to make a comparison or tomba.

Mr. Bones is a variety game with a killer soundtrack. You will get filtered and quit and we will make fun of you for it.

Panzer dragoon/zwei, great on rails shooter. Especially zwei which has a lot more complexity than 1.

Panzer dragoon saga is a unique rpg spinoff from the original games. Fantastic game.

Gun griffon is a mech style game that performs well on the saturn. If yoy like mech games this and a few gundam side mission games are worth checking out on the saturn.

Theres quite a bit more, but this is a good mix of things.

[Anonymous No.7660473]

>>7660429
I can never get into the tomb raiders on dreamcast. I got tomb raider chronicles for 99 cents.

[Anonymous No.7660475]

Saturn recommendations:
Beat Em Up: Die Hard Arcade, Guardian Heroes
Fighting (2D): Street Fighter Alpha 2, X-Men Vs. Street Fighter
Fighting (3D): Virtua Fighter 2, Fighters Megamix
Light Gun: Virtua Cop, House of the Dead
Puzzle: Sakura Wars Columns, Bust-a-Move 2, Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo
Rail Shooter: Panzer Dragoon, Panzer Dragoon Zwei
Racing: Sega Rally, Daytona USA, NiGHTS into Dreams...
RPG: Panzer Dragoon Saga, Sakura Wars
Schump: Darius Gaiden
Shooter: Power Slave, Duke Nukem 3D, Quake
Sports: All Star Wrestling Featuring Virtua, Worldwide Soccer 98, World Series Baseball 98

[Anonymous No.7660504]

For me it's Dakuseiba

[Anonymous No.7660926]

burning rangers is an awful

cool theme tho

[Anonymous No.7660947]

Even though I have a pseudo saturn, I've been suckered into buying the big boxes lately. They simply look amazing. I figure I ought to show my Saturn some respect instead of just putting in disks with sharpee labels.

[Anonymous No.7660960]

>>7660475
>Racing: ..., ..., NiGHTS into Dreams

Does that count?

[Anonymous No.7660978]

>>7658665
I don't care what anyone says the original saturn daytona is a GREAT game. A textbook definition of SOUL. The ONLY argument against it is the gfx (which are fine btw, a bit of pop-in who cares). The colours pop, the presentation is faithful to the arcade and the fps is solid with no dips that throw off your driving, whether there is only your car or 8+ on the screen at once.
Sound -top notch, great original campy music (DAYTOHNAAAAAAA). The cars handle perfectly and the cars have that trademark up and down bounce as they drive and car models just like you remember.
It's a bit barebones track wise (WHY didnt they make mirror versions of all the courses ffs?) but what you get are solid, tight and interesting courses.
Now if you are refering to the 'improved' CE (and jap ce) versions all the ecelebs say is 'better', just dont. Those are legitimately BAD games, they take all the best parts of vanilla daytona (presentation, sound track, handling/physics/ car models) and trade them all in for a slightly better viewing distance.
A fucking travesty to think of how many resources went in to those two versions when they could have been better spent elsewhere. Imagine taking all that time and money and rerouting it towards house of the dead for example, fuck what a crime.

Btw what are your times like, can you beat mine? In before automatic transmission, i'll step up to manual soon.

[Anonymous No.7661182]

>>7659434
Actually the game was very popular in Portugal because it featured a beloved national sports commentator who was pretty funny and had all these zanny catchphrases. It was even heavily shilled by the TV channel that had that commentator.

[Anonymous No.7661846]

saturn = poo

[Anonymous No.7661905]

God I love my Saturn

>>7660390
Dreamcast is overrated as fuck

[Anonymous No.7662127]

>>7660960
What genre is it?

[Anonymous No.7662131]

>>7661182
Isnt worldwide soccer better tho?

[Anonymous No.7662141]

>Grey coloured plastic yellowing.
???

[Anonymous No.7662156]

>>7661182
What tv channel? Itv?

[Anonymous No.7662168]

>>7662141
all plastic yellows

[Anonymous No.7662201]

>>7659570
My bad, didn't see this earlier

>>7660461
I'm gonna look into these, thank you

[Anonymous No.7662236]

>>7662131
Yeah it is, EURO 96 is not a good game

>>7662156
The fuck is Itv?
Also I don't remember which one

[Anonymous No.7662258]

>>7662236
ITV is a UK channel. Look into J League Go Go Goal

[Anonymous No.7662283]

>>7662168
Thankfully it can be deyellowed.

[Anonymous No.7662295]

>>7660504
hands down the best jarplatfightpuzzler

[Anonymous No.7662312]

>>7662258
Nigger read the post I was talking about Portugal, fuck you asking me about UK channels

[Anonymous No.7662346]

>>7662312
You Pourtugese? What Saturn games were big there?

[Anonymous No.7662350]

Best Saturn soccer games:
Worldwide Soccer (Sega)
J League Go Go Goal (Tecmo)
J League Striker (Konami)
Fifa 96 (EA)
Euro 96 (Gremlin)

[Anonymous No.7662364]

>>7662346
>>7662350

[Anonymous No.7662369]

>>7662364
https://youtu.be/w0ElhyYRZYs

[Anonymous No.7662402]

>>7662258
I remember when you couldn't walk around a flea market without tripping over some J League shit. I wonder. Did a bunch of tourisst buy that shit or did the grandmas just eventually throw it away.

[Anonymous No.7662498]

>>7662369
why did portugal get the french version instead of the spanish one?

[Anonymous No.7662586]

>>7662498
Because Portugese are chads

[Anonymous No.7662714]

I hate the term but what are some "hidden gems"?

[Anonymous No.7662716]

>>7658710
The fuck is CIB

[Anonymous No.7662719]

>>7662716
CIB stands for complete in box

[Anonymous No.7662724]

>>7662716

>The fuck is CIB

"complete in box"

[Anonymous No.7662727]

>>7662716
How new are you?

[Anonymous No.7662750]

>>7662727
Not new, just not a retard who pays an extra $100 for paper and plastic accessories with my games.

[Anonymous No.7662794]

>>7662714
what are you into?

[Anonymous No.7663081]

>>7662350
Saturn had the best footie games. Dreamcast was a let down in that regard.

[Anonymous No.7663094]

>>7662750
>Not paying $20 for NIB games
Yep, he's new alright

[Anonymous No.7663097]

>>7662716
>the fuck is CIB
Welcome to post-new-rules /vr/ gents...

[Anonymous No.7663106]

>>7662794
shoot em ups, beat em ups, fighting games, jrpg's

I'm pretty open minded

[Anonymous No.7663113]

>>7663106
Die Hard Arcade for 3D beat em up, Warriors of Fate for 2D. Guardian Heroes is overrated.

VF2 and Fighters Megamix for 3d fighter, SF Alpha 2 and Xmen Vs SF for 2d fighter

[Anonymous No.7663123]

>>7663106
Dark Savior is a jrpg where battles are infrequent but play out like a fighting game. there's also bad platforming and zeldaish puzzles

[Anonymous No.7663213]

>>7663123
that sounds fun I'll check it out thanks

[Anonymous No.7663273]

What are some of the best games on the Saturn
Looking to start a collection dont care about genre

[Anonymous No.7663326]

>>7663273
Virtua fighter 2 and daytona usa are standards.
If you get a lightgun, Virtua cop 1&2 are cool.
X-men children of the atom and X-men Vs Street fighter are Based fighting games.

[Anonymous No.7663361]

>>7658662
Real talk: The Saturn controller isn't that good, in fact it gives my hands cramps after a while and I find the Genesis 6-button controller (and retrobit 8-button edition) to be far superior.

Come to think of it, I've only seen Asians and bitch-sized søyguys hype the thing.

[Anonymous No.7663374]

>>7663273
focus on exclusives and other console-originated titles. most arcade ports (especially fighters and shooters) aren't worth bothering with in this day and age, unless you have particular nostalgia for it or it has notable bonus content. not saying they're all bad, but I don't know why people continue to rattle off capcom fighters as recommendations for Saturn newbies, as if we haven't had all the pristine arcade originals running on PC for 20 years now.

[Anonymous No.7663379]

>>7663361
I have large hands and I enjoy the saturn controller

[Anonymous No.7663380]

>>7663374
Then what non fighting recommendations do you have anon

[Anonymous No.7663384]

People that act like they prefer the saturn over the dreamcast are people that want to be special snowflakes. It's like acting like you prefer the wii u to the switch.

[Anonymous No.7663623]

>>7663374
VF2 looks worse than the arcade, but it plays better at 60fps instead of 57.5fps and has extra content. Fighters Megamix is exclusive

[Anonymous No.7663629]

>>7663384
what if I really genuinely do tho?

[Anonymous No.7663630]

>>7663629
>>7663384
DENIED!

Where was Spikeout on the fucking DC?

Nowhere to be seen.

Sega dropped the ball with the DC in favor of Crazy Taxi and shit Crazy Taxi clones and sequels.

Why did AM2 farm out it's franchise fighter to a no-name developer for the home port?

Why was a Namco fighter the crown jewel on a SEGA console?

[Anonymous No.7663659]

Layer Section is so great

>>7658710
I got a JP version earlier this year for like $40, Saturn is the only console where I collect only japanese versions because I just hate the long box jewel cases. They're so pointlessly large and They're so fragile you can look at them the wrong way and they'll break. Doesn't help that pretty much any US saturn game worth playing or owning is stupid expensive anyways

[Anonymous No.7664175]

Saturn is based.

I'm planning on firing up Shining Force III for the first time, but I'm worried, because my memory cart wiped itself once before after I swapped it for a RAM cart to play some Street Fighter. I have a MODE so I think the plan is to just save to the cart, and save to the console, and then backup the console save to a microSD card on a regular basis.

[Anonymous No.7664664]

>>7663659
pal boxes are even worse. Jap is the only way to go

[Anonymous No.7664668]

>>7658727
Saturn's janky 3D is definitely unique enough that it has a personality all it's own.

[Anonymous No.7664874]

>>7663094
Learn to read.

[Anonymous No.7664886]

Just got VF Kids lads

[Anonymous No.7664913]

>>7664886
Cool
Thinkin bout pickin it up. Should I?

[Anonymous No.7665278]

[Anonymous No.7665282]

>>7665278

[Anonymous No.7665992]

How about no.

[Anonymous No.7666028]

>>7663659
I've already owned the Japanese version for a while, but as a Bomberman collector, the US version is way more valuable to me. So I just bit the bullet and picked it up. Saved $400 buying the disk and case separately. Years down the road I can probably get $600+ for it once I grow up and stop playing games, so fuck it.

You guys are delusional by the way if you think the US cases don't look cool as fuck. I would trade any of my Japanese versions for US in a heart beat if I could.

[Anonymous No.7666064]

>>7665992
This man is a true turd.

[Anonymous No.7666067]

>>7665992
Bernie praised Saturn

[Anonymous No.7666078]

>>7665992
Says the fag who single-handingly destroyed Sega by making the Dreamcast $50 cheaper.

[Anonymous No.7666141]

>>7664913
VF Kids is a fucking blast to play, so yeah. It's sillier than VF2 but has some extra options that help with pulling off more bullshit moves from a controller (which is like a third of Akiras moveset). There's a Kids move where the game automatically does random specials when they will hit for 100%, which makes the game feel a lot flashier (and is the most sureproof way to do Akiras counters, which is the 2nd third of Akiras moveset).
Beyond that you have every character with a separate ending, some which are genuinely funny, and you can unlock and view them in the Options -> Video Room, so the game also has more single player replay value.

There's a few more additions beyond that like some extra hidden backgrounds (Shun vs Shun gets you put in a robot factory that makes Shun Di mechas), and some cheats to play in 1st person mode, with wire frame graphics, or to have Dural with a transparent head that has a fish living in it.

Oh and the game is a bit faster paced than VF2 and fixes that problem where Saturn VF2 had the sound effects cutting off randomly.

[Anonymous No.7666142]

>>7662127
Is "flying game" a genre? I suppose "rail flyer" is the best description for it.

[Anonymous No.7666258]

do you guys ever just get a black screen when playing cd-r games with pseudo saturn?

[Anonymous No.7666348]

>>7666064
Cope
>>7666067
Seethe
>>7666078
Dilate

[Anonymous No.7666405]

>>7666348
I swear when this monster dies, I'm going to celebrate with a damn anti-bernie cake. I'll even make a thread about it. Just you fuckers wait.

[Anonymous No.7666412]

>>7666405

[Anonymous No.7666480]

>>7665992
>>7666348
I have to say I admire your consistency

[Anonymous No.7666507]

>>7666348
>Cope
>Seethe
Is what you're doing.

>Dilate
Is what you need to do.

[Anonymous No.7666552]

>>7666412
Not that bernie you retard, go back to /pol/ and never come back.

[Anonymous No.7666574]

>>7666552
take your meds, you're having an episode again.

[Anonymous No.7666638]

>>7666348
>gets fired before his console launches
KWAB

[Anonymous No.7666769]

>>7666574
You think you know me?
On this day, I play clearly
On the greatest console of all!
Sega Saturn, is my favorite!
Bernie Stolar dropped the ball

[Anonymous No.7666852]

>>7665992
Bernie Stoleour topic boys.

[Anonymous No.7667337]

>>7666638
It's hard to believe that the guy who was in charge of the Atari Lynx could fuck up Sega's transition from the Saturn to the Dreamcast, but there it is.

[Anonymous No.7667504]

>>7662369
>TFW the Saturn could've had a chance with spics if the entirety of south america got their games from europe

[Anonymous No.7667531]

>>7665992
>>7666348
Every decision he made to the video games industry was a faillure, literally why did you choose such fucking disappointment to larp as?

[Anonymous No.7667632]

>>7667504
Know I chose Saturn first 'cause it's 2D heaven
Bernie Stolar dropped the ball with the RAM cartridge
X-Men vs. Street Fighter could've expanded the market

[Anonymous No.7668014]

>>7666348
fucking based

[Anonymous No.7668041]

I like my Saturn lads. I just bought a memory card because the action replay makes my console boot loop when it's in for some reason.

[Anonymous No.7668081]

>>7658727
What is jank? Anyway the saturn always felt special to me as well, never disappoints and it produces the same feeling emulated as well, i dont get that with other consoles.

[Anonymous No.7668087]

>>7667632
>It's Pandemonium, it's like Toys "R" Us
Flipping the next Saturn game brings out the boys in us. It's poisonous, taking out the boys in blue. In Grand Theft Auto, snatch a Rolls Royce to use

[Anonymous No.7668107]

>>7668081
>What is jank?
It means it's kind of clunky, and doesn't feel or look quite right, but it's cobbled together enough to work.

"Eurojank" refers to stuff like autistic sims and things like that Deliverance game for example.

[Anonymous No.7668112]

>>7663361
That’s cuz you’re using the wrong one.

[Anonymous No.7668121]

>>7666078
But that made it more affordable.

[Anonymous No.7668127]

>>7668121
No refunds.

[Anonymous No.7668432]

>>7668041
Okay so the memory card works but for some reason it throws me to the system menu on boot and I have to select "launch application" to start a game. This preferable to relying only on system memory, but still weird.

[Anonymous No.7668828]

>>7658768
Should be a Guinea Pig and try it out, would have to be better than just buying a Retro Bit controller for it to be worth it though imo.

[Anonymous No.7669013]

>>7667632
>>7668087
Del the Funky based Homosapien.
Anyone who burns Bernie the worst man to ever work in a the video game industry is good in my book.

[Anonymous No.7669551]

>>7668121
No. That made Sega go out of business. $250 is a reasonable price point compared to $300.

[Anonymous No.7670216]

>>7666078
Like last time you brought up this non-argument, his plan was to make up the lower cost of the system with strong software sales. Unfortunately, because the dumbfucks at SoJ *had* to include MIL-CD with Dreamcast, that allowed for easy piracy and so his plan was foiled. So, no, it was the japs that killed it.

[Anonymous No.7670308]

>>7670216
Casuals dont pirate

[Anonymous No.7670324]

>>7670308
this was peak napster era bro. casuals were dangerously close to learning.

[Anonymous No.7670326]

>>7670308
true, they go to the guy wearing a trenchcoat on the corner of the street selling burnt dreamcast games for $5 a pop

[Anonymous No.7670334]

>>7670308
You appear to be completely retarded.

[Anonymous No.7670505]

>>7670216
Except I don't know a single person back in my day who pirated a Sega Dreamcast game, let alone know how to do it with their computer. Piracy clearly wasn't the demise of the Sega Dreamcast. Selling the Dreamcast $50 cheaper is what killed it, because Sega was bleeding money and even software sales couldn't prevent that.

[Anonymous No.7670667]

>>7669551
The decrease in price is how i was able to convince my parents to get it for me.

[Anonymous No.7670682]

[Anonymous No.7670741]

Just got this game lads

[Anonymous No.7670751]

>>7670505
Sega was bleeding money because they lost so much money manufacturing Saturns they were already bankrupt

[Anonymous No.7670782]

>>7670751
They didn't go into red until Dreamcast

[Anonymous No.7670794]

>>7670782
because thats when the money they had built up from the genesis success finally ran out and the losses from manufacturing a console that lost them hundreds each time it was made, and was a complete flop with no ability to recoup it through software caught up to them.

[Anonymous No.7670802]

>>7670794
They didn't go into red until after they pulled off Saturn. Can you read?

[Anonymous No.7670812]

>>7670802
are you unironically retarded? do you not understand how losses actually work? do you not understand Sega literally lost hundreds of dollars per unit for years simply by manufacturing the Saturn, and that it being a completely irrelevant console with no ability to recoup any of this added on to that? Sega was out of the red because they were blowing through the stacks of cash the Genesis had created not because the Saturn was successful.
By any objective measure its one of the worst consoles ever made.

[Anonymous No.7670847]

>>7670812
Nigga the Genesis was dead way before 98. Their arcade revenue kept them upfolat during the Saturn era and then Dreamcast bankrupted because Dreamcast LOST MORE MONEY than Saturn did.

[Anonymous No.7670849]

>>7670812
>By any objective measure its one of the worst consoles ever made.
Drink your prune juice Bernie.

[Anonymous No.7670852]

Saturn has an attach ratio of 9 and Dreamcast 8. Saturn sold more software

[Anonymous No.7670854]

>>7670847
The Genesis was still selling all the way up until 98, and still had the highest selling versions of popular multiplat titles up until 97.
Your entire retarded theory is that Bernie Sanders killed Sega by reducing the Dreamcast price by $50 in America, when the losses started during a yeah the console wasn't even released in America, and while ignoring the company was losing 3x that simply by making the previous console.
Stop parroting retarded youtubers and actually research things.

[Anonymous No.7670859]

>>7670854
Lol Genesis sales peaked around 93. It was their arcade success keeping them upfront. Bernie left Sega with no productivity for 2 years and even pushed away 3rd party support such as Working Design. Yes Saturn flopped but Dreamcast made the situation WORSE is my arguement.

[Anonymous No.7670860]

>>7670854
Also. I lived through this era. I dont need to research anything

[Anonymous No.7670872]

>>7670849
>Horrible to manufacture
>Horrible to program for
>Horrible sales
>Not technologically impressive, or innovative.
>Responsible for taking a company from 52% market share to less than 10%
>Took over 3 years to sell even 1 million units in the biggest market.
>No game sold even 75k copies
All of these are objective facts. It is a horrible console by objective standards.
>>7670859
The Dreamcast was the best selling console of all time at launch, it sold well over the next year, and had a good attach rate of software. None of this mattered, because the company was already bankrupt because of the Saturn. Once again you refuse to address the fact the Saturn simply being made lost them more money than selling the Dreamcast even for $49.99 would have.

[Anonymous No.7670878]

>>7670872
>the Dreamcast was the best selling console of all time at launch, it sold well over the next year, and had a good attach rate of software

LOL. Dreamcast sold less software than Saturn. It bombed in Japan (awful launch) and Europe (no good soccer game). US sales are attached. I know you wont alive for this era

[Anonymous No.7670886]

>>7670878
>Dreamcast sold less software than Saturn.
you are unironically retarded. Sonic Adventure alone sold more than than the top 10 Saturn games combined.

[Anonymous No.7670892]

>>7670886
https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Software_tie_ratio#Consoles

See for yourself

[Anonymous No.7670907]

>>7670872
>It is a horrible console by objective standards.
It sold poorly. It's a great console with a fantastic library.

[Anonymous No.7670910]

>>7670892
Are you even going to attempt to have an actual discussion or simply keep posting charts of things you obviously don't understand to justify your own delusion to yourself?
Sonic Adventure sold over a million copies in America, there is not a single Saturn game that sold even 75k.
The highest selling Saturn game of all time is Madden NFL97, a game which had its highest sales on the Sega Genesis, beating out even its sales on the PS1 because the Genesis was still extremely popular at that time period, and the Saturn was already dead.

[Anonymous No.7670916]

>>7670907
Learn what objective means

[Anonymous No.7670919]

>>7670910
What the fuck are you talking about? I'm saying Dreamcast flopped worldwide and did worse than Saturn worldwide. I was alive during that era. No EA and Square killed the DC.

[Anonymous No.7670937]

>>7670919
The Saturn was a complete afterthought outside of the smallest and least relevant market of Japan where it avoided being last place in the console race by 600k units, while bankrupting the company by being made.
The Dreamcast was the best selling electronic at launch in American history, and despite being a part of a dying company, and only on the market for 18 months outsold the Saturn almost 10x1 in both hardware and software.
Only the most delusional hipster revisionist would claim the Saturn did better than the Dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.7670945]

>>7670937
As opposed to the DC which was 3rd place in all 3 regions?

Saturn sold 9.26 million with an attach ratio of 9.
Dreamcast sold 9.13 million with an attach ratio of 8. It was $50 after 15 months in the US market with games sold for a dollar.

Come back when you learn how to read.

[Anonymous No.7670953]

>>7670945
The DC didn't finish in a "place" because it wasn't even in a race. The entire console was stillborn with no chance of success, because as I have already stated numerous times now and that you desperatly keep doding around, the company was already bankrupt because of the Saturn.
Every SoA head wanted them to go third party even back in the mid 90's and only because of the idiotic SoJ leads was the console even made. After the idiots in charge of SoJ finally got replaced, Sega immediately folded the console and went third party.

[Anonymous No.7670968]

>>7670945
> It was $50 after 15 months in the US market with games sold for a dollar.
And this is just blatently false, it was $50 with a 2 year subscription to Sega net, and then cleared out of stores for that after being discontinued.
You're a fucking chore to talk to because you very obviously just reject anything you can't twist to confirm what you want to believe, regardless of what actually happened.

[Anonymous No.7670969]

>>7670953
Dreamcast wasnt even outselling N64. You're delusional kid. I posted the US sales. Saturn made money in Japan, Dreamcast didnt anywhere.

[Anonymous No.7670971]

>>7670968
Lol after Sega went 3rd party we sold them for $50 at Software inc

[Anonymous No.7670982]

>>7670782
According to your own graph, Sega began to decline in 1997, which was halfway through the Shiturn's life...
Protip: the Dreamcast was released in 1999 in America. It was the Shiturn that tanked them first (and hardest), not the DC, which was able to fight the decline for a little bit. Had the Shiturn not sucked so terribly, Sega wouldn't have had to pull the plug on the Dreamcast so soon nor exit the console industry.

>>7670852
>Saturn has an attach ratio of 9
Bullshit, it was more like 2-3 per system. Sega needed double that to make up for the costs of producing Saturds.

[Anonymous No.7670987]

>>7670969
Sega sold 5 million DCs in 18 months, the N64 sold 3 million over the same time span, once again you're retarded.
>Saturn made money in Japan
The Saturn never made money anywhere, because manufacturing it was such a loss that even software licensing fees and sales couldn't make it back, which is why Sega ceased production of it, even while it was still selling in Japan.
>>7670971
Which is literally what I said you illiterate dumbfuck

[Anonymous No.7670994]

>>7670916
Learn what irony means.

[Anonymous No.7670997]

>>7670994
Well you can learn what 2 words mean then since you don't understand what "Objective" or "Irony" mean.

[Anonymous No.7671002]

>>7670982
Nice goal post moving there. I already gave you proof Saturn had an attach ratio of 9 worldwide, higher than Dreamcast 8.

Yes Saturn sold like crap in US, but it sold decent in Japan which DC never did anywhere.

Also even if Sega had the bank account of Sony the PS2 still would have stomped it. PS2 had the promise of FIFA/Madden for Western casuals and FF for Japan. Not to mention GTA3 in 2001. Dreamcast would have been fucked against PS2 in any situation

[Anonymous No.7671004]

>>7670997
Anon your mother ate way too much pencil lead when she was pregnant with you.

[Anonymous No.7671010]

>>7670987
Those are official NPD sales. It shows N64 selling more hardware. Quit moving goalposts. Dreamcast flopped everywhere because it lacked games with casual appeal

[Anonymous No.7671012]

>>7671004
The Saturn is an objective failure as a consumer product, and you have no idea what irony means other than seeing people say it online and thinking its a universal "gotcha"

[Anonymous No.7671014]

>>7671012
So is the Dreamcast. It lost money and undersold

[Anonymous No.7671015]

Any chance of a Saturn Mini?

[Anonymous No.7671017]

In USA, which was DC brightest market, DC had the best launch in history until that point in time.
However in 2000 DC sold less than what it did in the four launch months of 1999, basically the console lost steam right after the launch period.
This happened despite DC being a heavily subsidised console (launched under cost at $199 in September 1999, had its first price cut to $149 in August 2000).
This is why Sega announced Dc discontinuation in January 2001.
They gave all they could but the console was losing steam despite being virtually without competition cause PS2 just launched and had severe stock problems.
Once Sony rectified PS2 stock situation and Microsoft/Nintendo had enter the market with their new gen consoles splashing morer cash than Sega could ever dream the situation was destined to get even bleaker.

[Anonymous No.7671024]

>>7671014
Which I never denied, I said it outsold the Saturn 10x1 which it did, and that it was the fastest selling electronic in history at its launch, which it was.

[Anonymous No.7671028]

>>7671024
Dreamcast: 9.13 million
Saturn: 9.26 million
How is that 10x?

[Anonymous No.7671036]

>>7671028
>You're a fucking chore to talk to because you very obviously just reject anything you can't twist to confirm what you want to believe, regardless of what actually happened.

[Anonymous No.7671037]

>>7671015
Doubtful

[Anonymous No.7671038]

>>7671036
>NOO YOU CANT JUST PROVE MY ARGUEMENT WRONG

[Anonymous No.7671043]

>>7671038
We're clearly talking about US sales, and your dishonest meme spewing won't change that.
And the Saturn still never made money in any market and its manufacturing bankrupted Sega but you still won't address this because you can't find a way to twist it to validate what you want to believe.

[Anonymous No.7671050]

>>7671043
I already said DC was more popular than Saturn in US, but it did worse worldwide.

[Anonymous No.7671058]

>>7671050
No you said Bernie Stolar bakrupted Sega by making the Dreamcast cost $50 less, because you heard Sega Lard X say it in a youtube video, and when presented with actual facts of what bakrupted Sega you've thrown a tantrum over the past hour.

[Anonymous No.7671060]

>>7671058
That was a different user. I worked retail gaming the entire 90s. That's how I know DC was a flop in the States.

[Anonymous No.7671064]

>>7671060
No, that was you, and you probably weren't even born in the 90s which is why you parrot youtube videos.
Have a great day.

[Anonymous No.7671072]

>>7671064
Prove it. Quote both posts and I'll show you the (You)

Dreamcast is niche in US, just as Saturn and 32x were

[Anonymous No.7671094]

[Anonymous No.7671137]

lmao at the pathetic sega fans trying to prove which stinking turd was better. Sega only ever made one good console

[Anonymous No.7671154]

>>7658662
NO FAGGOT
SATURN, MORE LIKE URANUS lemao

[Anonymous No.7671173]

Are the retrobit wireless controllers garbage? Like garbage by autist standards, not retro youtube channel shill standards

[Anonymous No.7671196]

>>7670982
>Bullshit, it was more like 2-3 per system.
According to Sega's FY98 financial report they had sold 8.8 Million Sega Saturn systems worldwide and 80 million Sega Saturn games worldwide. That would give it a worldwide attach rate of about 9:1.
>>7670987
>The Saturn never made money anywhere, because manufacturing it was such a loss that even software licensing fees and sales couldn't make it back, which is why Sega ceased production of it, even while it was still selling in Japan.
That was only for the first year after the launch in Japan. Sega was able to get the cost down rather quickly all things considered. By the time the Model 2 came out in 1996 they had already gotten a head of Sony in reaching the $200 price point.

People really need to realize the Hideki Sato interview talking about them having to hold back production is talking about 94-95.

[Anonymous No.7671204]

>>7671137
Yeah, the Master System

[Anonymous No.7671215]

I had never seen a Saturn in person until last year.
I don't think any stores in my town carried them or their games when they were relevant.

[Anonymous No.7671652]

>>7658662
I just bought one with Rhea installed. What games should I pirate?

[Anonymous No.7671694]

>>7671652
Play Iron Storm, right now!

[Anonymous No.7672053]

>>7670910
>there is not a single Saturn game that sold even 75k.
Daytona USA, Virtua Cop and Virtua Fighter 2 were bundled with the Saturn. Including the 500k sold in December 96.

[Anonymous No.7672275]

>>7671694
It took me 21 turns to just take out the HQ. I still have two more bases I have to destroy and I think Complete Victory for this one is 20 or 25 turns. Shit's hard.

My paratroops are earning their Knight's Crosses though. We've got a forward airbase in Britain that really helps.

[Anonymous No.7672334]

Just got the VF Wrestling game lads

[Anonymous No.7672416]

>>7672275
I think it goes to 35 turns before you lose. I thought you had as long as you needed but I guess not. This game is tough!

[Anonymous No.7672440]

>>7672416
The Luftwaffe has failed the Reich. Goering is chastised. Now it is up to the Wehrmacht Army Group South, commanded by von Brauchitsch, von Weichs, and List to punch through the Yugoslav lines, take Belgrade, and secure the path to Athens.

[Anonymous No.7672504]

>>7672440
Okay I got fucked. Balkans attempt 2.

[Anonymous No.7672584]

>>7672440
>>7672504
DOG BLESS THE Ju88!!! The usurper of Prince Paul are no more.

[Anonymous No.7672637]

>>7658662
based v-saturn, i have that same model modded.

[Anonymous No.7672674]

>>7670782
Here is that graph but with more context.

[Anonymous No.7672774]

Like Student, I have crashed the prime of the Reich's paratroops onto the rocky shores of Greece.

Attempt 3.

[Anonymous No.7673338]

>>7672674
Dreamcast launched 98

[Anonymous No.7673619]

>>7673338
Very late '98 and in Japan only, the sharp decline happened during the Shiturn's life, the only reason they still stayed above negative for the first few years of its life was because they were still earning profits on the still popular Genesis in the west, which they retardedly decided to kill in favour of the Shiturn.

[Anonymous No.7673683]

>>7672674
>Company is kill because the product is too advanced and filters too many plebs
Many such cases. Sad.

[Anonymous No.7673695]

>>7673619
>Bernie poster still seething
Mentally ill

[Anonymous No.7673824]

>>7673683
So 'advanced' not even Sega themselves can do good arcade conversions to the thing, lmao...

[Anonymous No.7673895]

do guys not understand the meaning of "chill saturn thread"?

[Anonymous No.7674054]

>>7673895
It's just one austisic poster posing as Bernie Stolar

[Anonymous No.7674059]

Just got Magic Knight Rayeath lads

[Anonymous No.7674107]

>>7674059
how you like it?

[Anonymous No.7674135]

>>7674059
How much did you spend?

[Anonymous No.7674179]

>>7659253
which cart do I need to do this? Is it the cheap looking red one from China?

[Anonymous No.7674184]

>>7674179
Yes. I think Amazon has them too.

[Anonymous No.7674201]

>>7674179
there's different versions that have different features, like built in memory management, extra ram for the few games that need expansion, etc, but for most purposes yes you can just get the cheapest red cart.

[Anonymous No.7674230]

>>7674184
>>7674201
Thanks. I have an old Saturn with a broken laser somewhere around here. I actually ordered a replacement laser for it a couple of years ago but never got around to installing it because the only game I have is a badly scratched copy of Clockwork Knight. I might get around to fixing it if I can just burn whatever I want to play.

[Anonymous No.7674286]

>>7674135
$40. Import. Havent played it yet

[Anonymous No.7674309]

>>7674230
The Satiator is back in stock if you don't mind spending the money.

[Anonymous No.7674640]

>>7674309
in your opinion is it worth the $?

[Anonymous No.7674940]

>>7674640
>in your opinion is it worth the $?
No, but I'd buy it anyway.

[Anonymous No.7674943]

>>7674940
ha!

[Anonymous No.7675090]

>>7674640
I think it is. It's the one that just works out of the box and doesn't require removing the Disc Drive. It's actively getting firmware updates, most games work on it fine as well. From a homebrew standpoint it also doesn't do silly stuff like leave garbage in RAM or restrict the disc image size like the MODE does.

[Anonymous No.7675286]

>>7673338
Those are clearly American release dates, tard.

[Anonymous No.7675295]

>>7675286
Yes, but if we're talking about what caused the loss for the company as a whole, it's relevant. If Dreamcast launched in 98 and we see the drop happen in 98, it means that Dreamcast being sold at a massive loss is what did the most damage, not the Saturn.

[Anonymous No.7675336]

>>7673824
> 40 fully textured cars on the track at the same time

This was insane in 1995. Ridge Racer could barely do 12 at 30fps (and they weren't even fully textured, they were gouraud shaded with added decals). If they had cut the car count I'm sure Daytona USA could have run at 30fps instead of the 20fps it generally ran at, but I'm glad they stayed true to the arcade original.

Rushed development definitely hurt the end product though, luckily there are plenty of other excellent Sega produced arcade to Saturn ports available on the system.

[Anonymous No.7675349]

>>7675295
North America had more than double the Japanese population in the 1990s, it was the largest videogame market in the world. It was also where the competition between Sega and Sony was the fiercest, and where the decisions made by that fat jew faggot Bernie Stolar had the greatest negative impact on Saturn hardware sales. In the 1990s the console race was won or lost in the United States.

[Anonymous No.7675358]

>>7675349
Again though that's not really relevant to that graph. That graph shows that even though Saturn wasn't doing great, Sega was still in the black. When Dreamcast launches in 98 is when we see them nosedive into the red. If Saturn was the cause of that we would see that happen back around 95 or 96.

[Anonymous No.7675393]

>>7675358
Look at the graph again. The DC launched in Japan just over a month before the end of 1998. Sega was already millions of yen in the hole before they sold a single Dreamcast system. The PS1 had been eating Sega's lunch for the past four years. This is what caused them to enter the Dreamcast period without any cash reserves, which they could have otherwise used to ride out the initial losses until the system became profitable (this is how every console manufacturer except Nintendo operated).

[Anonymous No.7675421]

>>7675393
>The DC launched in Japan just over a month before the end of 1998.
And what do you think Sega was doing leading up to that? Spending money on producing Dreamcasts. Selling all of that at a loss at the end of the year is going to tank your earnings.
>They had no cash reserves!
The also could have not sold the system at a massive loss and held off on launching it. Sega of America could have also not nuked their brand and killed their sources of revenue 2.5 years prior to the Dreamcast coming out.

[Anonymous No.7675434]

>>7675421
> Sell your console at $300 instead of $200
> When there were strong rumors that the PS2 (the console that people were waiting for) was going to launch at $300

> Hold off on releasing your console
> While you're losing money hand over fist due to underperforming Saturn sales

Notice how the Saturn didn't make them any money whatsoever.

I wouldn't trust your decision making skills to any business more complicated than a lemonade stand, and even then it would be iffy.

[Anonymous No.7675454]

>>7673824
>expecting a $600 game console to match a game that pushed $10k+ arcade hardware

Still had a pretty good virtua fighter 1 (the remix version) and 2 port

[Anonymous No.7675463]

>>7675434
> Sell your console at $300 instead of $200
> When there were strong rumors that the PS2 (the console that people were waiting for) was going to launch at $300
So you can sell it at $300 then when PS2 launches at $300 drop it down. Heck you could have launched at $249 and that still wouldn't have been as devastating.

> Hold off on releasing your console
> While you're losing money hand over fist due to underperforming Saturn sales
You missed the key thing here. This one would require Sega of America not being asleep at the wheel with handling the Saturn. From the graph you can see Sega wasn't losing money on the Saturn, they were simply breaking even. Sure it's not great, but it's something you can recover from. But then Sega of America decided to just kill the Saturn off 2.5 years before the next system was ready. So now the only thing making Sega any money from 97 to the Dreamcast launch was the Japanese Saturn market. That certainly didn't help anything.

[Anonymous No.7675476]

>>7675463
The Dreamcast wasn't competing with the upcoming $300 Playstation 2, it was competing with the $129 Playstation. Releasing at $300 would have meant sales would have been significantly reduced.

re: Holding back the Dreamcast launch, that would have been a huge mistake as well. They needed a console to boost sales. The Dreamcast was a hail mary play. It had to be out by the time it launched or Sega's console division (which by that point was already only still around because it was being subsidized by income from Sega's arcade sales) would have been fucked.

[Anonymous No.7675518]

>>7675349
the saturn was dead and buried before kalinske even left. this stupid bernie meme needs to die

[Anonymous No.7675576]

>>7675336
>1995
>ridge racer
Stupid faggot.

[Anonymous No.7675591]

>>7675576
Fuck off zoomer, you weren't even born in 1995. Go play Fortnight or sucks dicks or whatever it is you normally do this time of night.

[Anonymous No.7675601]

>>7675476
> Releasing at $300 would have meant sales would have been significantly reduced.
Losses also could have been reduced. And again they could have also launched at $249. Dreamcast was a next gen console and was marketed as such. They could have sold it for more. Instead they created a hemorrhage.
>subsidized by income from Sega's arcade sale
Arcades were dying by this point outside of Japan. Again it was the Japanese market keeping Sega afloat at this point.
>>7675518
It wasn't in a great spot sure, but they did have signs of life in 1996 and early 1997. Where you see it flat line is at E3 97 when Bernie killed it prematurely. We can argue how well Saturn could have done with the hand he was dealt, but he still killed it way too early. The Dreamcast wouldn't be ready for another ~2 years. He basically told all his customers to go to his competitors for two years. That ended up hurting the Dreamcast as well.

[Anonymous No.7675914]

>>7675286
Sega is a Japanese company dumbass

[Anonymous No.7675916]

Bernie Stolar was a dumbass who denied FIFA, the most powerful Western franchise, on the Dreamcast

[Anonymous No.7676027]

This fighting is not in the nature of a chill saturn discussion.

[Anonymous No.7677247]

>>7676027
>This fighting is not in the nature of a chill saturn discussion.
Pretty bogus of some people.

[Anonymous No.7677598]

>>7675914
Founded in Hawaii, which is AMERICA, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.7677638]

>>7677598
doesnt fucking matter Billy Bob, they are 100% japanese now. SOA was cringe anyway.

[Anonymous No.7677929]

Just got Winter Heat lads
>>7677247
It's just one autistic Bernie troll.

[Anonymous No.7677951]

The dudes of SegaXtreme are porting the scripts of several PlayStation RPGs to their Saturn versions and translating all the extra content.
I'm currently playing Vandal Hearts and it looks and runs so much better, man. I'll try Grandia and Lunar next.

[Anonymous No.7678070]

Whats a good place to get a japanese Saturn in Europe? Never bought a retro console before. When I look at local ebay listings I see them going for over 100€.

[Anonymous No.7678072]

>>7677951
>I'm currently playing Vandal Hearts and it looks and runs so much better, man.
Kinda hard to believe considering how terribly Nagoya fucked up on porting SotN to Saturn.

[Anonymous No.7678123]

>>7678070
In the US it's cheapest to import them straight from Japan.

[Anonymous No.7678204]

>>7678123
Youve got any particular site? Mandarake is the only used stuff site I know of in Japan.

[Anonymous No.7678274]

>>7678204
Ebay. What does shipping cost for you?

[Anonymous No.7678381]

>>7678274
The ones I see are around 30€, but they differ pretty heavily. I thought though that the ones from Japan would a good bit below 100€.

[Anonymous No.7678393]

>>7678381
I think shipping from Japan is abnormally cheap for the US? I would still recommend it.

[Anonymous No.7678506]

>>7659394
>Death Crimson
Dreamcast related, but I found an unopen copy of Death Crimson OX at a thrift store the other day. I can't believe these are the same people that made Melty Blood.

[Anonymous No.7679039]

>>7677951
>>7678072
SotN was rushed as shit, and it shows.
It's still worth a playthrough at least once to see the new items and areas, though. The absolute best part about it is the "third hand", so you don't have to constantly unequip something, equip a potion, take a potion, unequip the potion, reequip whatever piece of gear you unequipped in the first place.

[Anonymous No.7679189]

Is there anywhere to get PS2 Saturn controller that isn't overpriced as shit?

[Anonymous No.7679720]

I picked up Sonic 3D Blast recently. Had low expectations of it, only played the Mega Drive game on the Mega Collection before. Was shocked by how much better this version is, with the controls, graphics, music, etc.

https://youtu.be/uVVb8hOyQnQ

This is pure soul

[Anonymous No.7679781]

>>7679720
fuck you genesis version has better music

[Anonymous No.7679795]

>>7679781
>fartmodulation
>good

[Anonymous No.7679837]

>>7679781
It's a different kind of soul, anon.

[Anonymous No.7680256]

>>7679795
Yamaha worked really hard on that fartmodulation chip.

[Anonymous No.7680276]

>>7679795
>>7680256
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnLAC5AJPuM
your move, snerds

[Anonymous No.7680289]

>>7680276
That sounds like Satch.

[Anonymous No.7681040]

>>7663384
I definitely like the idea of the Wii U better, because I hate the dockable handheld concept. I definitely wish the Wii U had been better recieved and at least sold enough to actually get some worthwhile software support. I basically skipped the Wii because lolwagglin, so the backwards compatibility allowed me to revisit the concept in retrospect.

[Anonymous No.7681084]

>>7671094
The Japanese Saturn wore the grey and purple colour scheme so much better than the North American Super Nintendo. The Black Saturns look damn good, too.

[Anonymous No.7681097]

I finally got a psuedo saturn so it's time for me to step up my saturn game. Even just using it to boot japanese games works loads better than the shitty gameshark I had before that wouldn't be recognized half the time.

[Anonymous No.7681102]

>>7679720
The special stages are amazing too

[Anonymous No.7681287]

>>7680276
How are you going to respond to a soulful weather channel style tune with this heavy metal track? Two totally different vibes.

[Anonymous No.7681289]

>>7668107
Weird isometric platformers are eurojank. Sonic 3d blast being a great example.

[Anonymous No.7681382]

>>7681289
But Sonic 3DB plays good. I can think of a lot eurojankier 2D sidescrollers than that game.

[Anonymous No.7681747]

[Anonymous No.7681842]

Princess Crown Translation when

[Anonymous No.7681952]

ok guys i got them all, now what

[Anonymous No.7681956]

>>7658710
I finally got it bros

[Anonymous No.7682005]

>>7681952
You're missing Sonic, Tails and the two staff members.

[Anonymous No.7682113]

>>7681747
I'm glad you keep posting this and reminding me to play it anon. Also dithering looks kino, fuck transparencies.

[Anonymous No.7682118]

>>7681956
Nice anon. I had to pay $900 to fix my car today so no Sega gaemus for me :(

[Anonymous No.7682123]

Why is Death Crimson such a meme? It's just a kusoge

[Anonymous No.7682149]

>>7682118
I feel you, man, had car issues recently. Sorry for your setback. I was able to get this much cheaper than the going price as I had bought the case, manual, and CD separately. Finally got all the parts together now.

[Anonymous No.7682210]

>>7682149
I've just been burning all my games. I know if I start down the road of collecting I'll blow through even more of my savings.

[Anonymous No.7682621]

>>7681040
Okay we get it you're unique and special.

[Anonymous No.7683732]

Lads, I demand you post what you're playing on your Saturn RIGHT NOW.

[Anonymous No.7683876]

>2 turns in a row with rain
>no bombs allowed
Okay goodnight we try again tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.7684043]

>>7682123
Its densetsu no kusoge, plus it was parodied by Pop Team Epic, that may helped its meme status even further.

[Anonymous No.7684119]

The art and voice acting in Albert Odyssey is kinda blowing me away.

[Anonymous No.7684489]

>>7684119
I like that overworld theme.

[Anonymous No.7684506]

Finally more people will have a chance to play some of the best shooters around

[Anonymous No.7684596]

I've being disapointed with FFVII and am interesting in playing some JRPGs on the Saturn. What would you guys recommend as the first one? Grandia?

[Anonymous No.7684602]

>>7684506
What is this? Ports or reprints of the saturn?

[Anonymous No.7684603]

>>7684596
Yeah or Albert Odyssey. Shining Force 3 if you like tactics.

[Anonymous No.7684605]

>>7684602
switch/ps4 release of the success saturn shooter trilogy

[Anonymous No.7684614]

Isn't Albert Odyssey the only traditional turn based JRPG with an English localization? Are there fan translations for any of the Japanese exclusives?

I really would like to play Legend of Heroes III for the Saturn but it looks extremely difficult to translate. It looks so much better than the official PSP localization (Prophecy of the Moonlight Witch), which is a shame considering that one has broken English and an inferior battle system.

[Anonymous No.7684616]

>>7684614
Grandia has a fan translation.

[Anonymous No.7684626]

>>7684614
Legend of Heroes has a English patch for pc or something. I couldn't find a Saturn translation though.

[Anonymous No.7684641]

>>7677598
>which is AMERICA, dumbass.
That's right go--guy!

[Anonymous No.7684802]

>>7681842
I think there's one in the works

[Anonymous No.7684804]

>>7684641
America was always jewish, the founders were all Masons after all.

[Anonymous No.7684818]

>>7684804
>Rosen

[Anonymous No.7685263]

well I just ordered a satiator (it's on its way) , anybody else get one?

[Anonymous No.7685267]

>>7685263
Nah. I might down the line if I decide to import a nip Saturn, but the US one I have is already modded so I can't really justify the price.

[Anonymous No.7685396]

Buying a bunch of multi-taps so I could play Saturn Bomberman with 9 other friends on my birthday was my dream as a kid.

[Anonymous No.7685427]

>>7684804
not to get all off topic but what's the connection between judaism and freemasonry?

[Anonymous No.7685684]

>>7685427
Basically masonry is goyim larping as jews, also they worship Lucifer.

[Anonymous No.7686256]

>>7674230
You will definitely have a good time.

[Anonymous No.7686293]

Any other Saturn YouTubers besides Pandamonium?

[Anonymous No.7686327]

>>7684802
Did you refer as this?
https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=15979.300

[Anonymous No.7687429]

One thing I've always noticed about shiturn hipsters is how blatantly apparent it is that they very obviously only pretend to like it for contrarianism, and don't even play games.
Anytime any other console or old pc or arcade game is mentioned people will always talk about how they had fun playing it as a kid, or how they would always stay over at friends houses playing certain games, or how they'd stop in at the local arcade to drop quarters in whatever. They'll always have distinct memories and nostalgia of having fun with whatever they're talking about.
But all you'll ever hear from shiturn fags are how it actually had the most vertrex cycles of any console at the time assuming you properly utilized both CPUs and GPUs and did a rain dance under a full moon, or how the shading of a lamp post in the background of a capcom fighter was actually arcade perfect quality unlike the ps1 where its gamma tint was microscopically off. Never do you hear about how you and friends stayed up all night playing saturn games.
It's like the console was complete dogshit and they're all just a bunch of friendless shut in weebs who bought a 25 year old piece of plastic to try to be cool and now spend all their time validating their waste of money to themselves as they play alpha 3 for the 47th time and get KOd by the CPU on stage 2 as they repeatedly struggle to do a qcf to throw a fireball, before waddling over to the $4500 pc their mother bought them, (that they use only to play steam ports of PS3 era JRPGs) and extolling the virtues of whichever japan only release they most recently heard a youtuber talk about and then going on a forum begging for it to be translated so they can actually play it long enough to take a picture of it to post on reddit.

[Anonymous No.7687446]

>>7687429
I love my Saturn even more now anon, thank you.

[Anonymous No.7687740]

>>7687429
Does the saturn just live in your head rent free or something? You sound mad.

[Anonymous No.7687806]

>>7687429
Based.

[Anonymous No.7687902]

>>7687806
>gets fired before DC launch
KWAB

[Anonymous No.7687953]

>>7687902
His work was already done: end Sega's worst system (Shiturn) and create their best one (Chadcast).

[Anonymous No.7687958]

>>7687953
Yet the one system actually made some profits in Japan (Saturn), and the other created a hemorrhage that bled the company dry (Dreamcast).

[Anonymous No.7688003]

>>7687958
Nice historical revionism, Saturncuck. It was actually the Saturn that bled Sega dry because it had too many parts in it due to complicated design because it had to overcompensate when they were shown the Playstation's specs and Sega panicked and had to throw in another CPU because its video chip was too weak. If you'll look at the famous graph that Saturnfags like to post, you'll see their loss had stabilized after they'd killed the Saturn and moved on to the Dreamcast in 1999-2000. When are you going to accept the fact that the Saturn is what killed Sega? Fuck that piece of shit and fuck anyone that unironically likes it.

[Anonymous No.7688303]

>>7688003
32x, Saturn and Dreamcast were all flops that wiped out Sega as a console maker. Saturn was popular in Japan though.

[Anonymous No.7688309]

>>7688003
DENIED!

Where was Spikeout on the fucking DC?

Nowhere to be seen.

Sega dropped the ball with the DC in favor of Crazy Taxi and shit Crazy Taxi clones and sequels.

Why did AM2 farm out it's franchise fighter to a no-name developer for the home port?

Why was a Namco fighter the crown jewel on a SEGA console?

Fuck the Dreamcast, right up the god damn ass.

[Anonymous No.7688349]

>>7688309
>Where was Spikeout on the fucking DC?
Didn't need it, it had superior Dynamite Cop.

>Sega dropped the ball with the DC in favor of Crazy Taxi and shit Crazy Taxi clones and sequels.
But CT is based.

>Why did AM2 farm out it's franchise fighter to a no-name developer for the home port?
They ported Outtrigger and F355 themselves to the DC, though.

>Why was a Namco fighter the crown jewel on a SEGA console?
It wasn't, fake Sega fan. Fuck Namco.

>Fuck the Dreamcast, right up the god damn ass.
Nah, fuck you Saturnigger.

[Anonymous No.7688363]

>>7688003
not him but what does any of this have to do with fun saturn games and enjoying them?

[Anonymous No.7688369]

>>7688303
if the Saturn was so successful in Japan, why did Sega kill it off after just 4 years on the market for a new system? It only got ~15 new games in 1999, only a couple being from Sega.

[Anonymous No.7688373]

>>7688309
>Why was a Namco fighter the crown jewel on a SEGA console?
at least the dreamcast actually got namco support, lmao... they dodged the saturn hard because they knew how fucking garbage it was.

[Anonymous No.7689674]

>>7660254
saturn has more diversity in games where dreamcast just feels like a home arcade

[Anonymous No.7689703]

This is like totally not a chill conversation, man.

I'm gonna go play Clockwork Knight

[Anonymous No.7690050]

>>7689703
yeah like clockwork with the shit talking. why can't we just talk about fun games on a cool console?

[Anonymous No.7690091]

just bought this shit for 200

i fucking hate my life

[Anonymous No.7690095]

>>7688369
SOA

[Anonymous No.7690104]

>>7690091
worst toaplan game

[Anonymous No.7690169]

BAROQUE, along with Baroquism Syndrome collection of short stories is a paraphrase of Marathon 1, textlog verbiage included.
google: marathon gheritt white
google: marathon "ashless fire"
youtube: "g4 sunbathing"

[Anonymous No.7690208]

>>7690104
it's not bad, just painfully average

[Anonymous No.7690870]

>>7690091
What even is it?

[Anonymous No.7690891]

My friend finally got his saturn and fenrir up and running. Seeing him play half a dozen different games, then get to Necronomicon and start giggling like an idiot at every bit of chaos in the play area. Getting multiball with deathwalker and having that ridiculously fat bass roll. It's a great feeling seeing someone else fall in love with something you love so much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP7wOK9dFn8

[Anonymous No.7691185]

>>7690095
>muh SoA boogeyman
Japan wouldn't have killed off a system if it was doing well there, get a grip and stop blaming Stolar when he and SoJ agreed on the Saturn's failing, hence why the DC had to come try to save the day and make up for its shittiness.

[Anonymous No.7691196]

>>7689674
Dreamcast actually got more RPGs, adventure games, and sims than the Saturn, though.

Only thing Saturn had a better selection in than the DC was horizontal shmups and sidescrolling platformers and beat 'em ups.

[Anonymous No.7691218]

>>7691196
>Dreamcast actually got more RPGs, adventure games, and sims than the Saturn, though.
Point me to some prominent examples, I'm looking for Dreamcast games to play too.

[Anonymous No.7691343]

>>7691218
https://pastebin.com/GTYBbr3f

[Anonymous No.7691365]

>>7688369
Because Sega was retarded.

[Anonymous No.7691431]

>>7690891
This is the game with the John Petrucci soundtrack right?

Daily reminder that the Sega Saturn is John Petrucci's favorite console.

[Anonymous No.7691439]

Sup Saturn bros.

Regretting passing up a Burning Rangers when it was offered for me complete for $250 a couple years back :(

[Anonymous No.7691446]

>>7691439
the game isn't that good

[Anonymous No.7691449]

>>7691439
I saw Albert oddysey complete for $100 a few years ago. Now you can't even get the back case artwork alone for that price.

Feel so stupid that I passed on all these deals back in the day. Wrote the Saturn off as too expensive, had no idea those prices were as good as they get.

But ultimately it's probably for the best not to sink your monkey like that. We all missed the window where original CIB Saturn games could be seen as investments.

[Anonymous No.7691475]

>>7691431
Yeah, it's an excellent pinball game. Maybe the best one.

[Anonymous No.7691493]

"So then I told them I don't give a fuck about the Shiturn..."

[Anonymous No.7691525]

>>7691343
gracias

>>7690891
>>7691431
>This is the game with the John Petrucci soundtrack right?
Holy shit, now I'm interested.

[Anonymous No.7691572]

>>7691525
the entire soundtrack is dynamic and different songs play when different things happen on the field.
>stage 2, when you get multiballs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeGaMJR0THc
>stage 1, when arkham asylum is opening for you to hit inside
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GYv0poOGq0
>stage 1, just when you're about to get a multiball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCsc2Nr9aOE
All while occult diagrams fill the screen, scores are flashing and the in-game announcer is talking about elders gathering under blood moons and the rise of monsters like the deathwalker

[Anonymous No.7691712]

>>7691572
You gotta love games that have an aesthetic and then just run to the top with it

[Anonymous No.7691889]

>>7687429
okay, but why are you so mad? did a sega saturn maniac beat you up in the street or something?

[Anonymous No.7692135]

>>7690870
batsugun

[Anonymous No.7692139]

>>7691439
i'd just buy an ntsc-j copy, language barrier not that bad and it's not even that good a game

>>7691889
it's fucking 2021 and people still feeding the fucking trolls, either you're a newfag or completely fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.7692157]

>>7691889
>sega saturn maniac
People didn't even know it existed back then, so kinda hard for that scenario to go down.

[Anonymous No.7692221]

>>7692135
ya but what kind of game is it?

[Anonymous No.7692254]

>>7692221
vertical shmup

[Anonymous No.7692320]

>>7692254
oh okay

[Anonymous No.7692328]

anybody get a satiator? what's your experience been like?

[Anonymous No.7692371]

Just got the Sailor Moon Saturn game. Gameplay is meh but it comes with a new episode

[Anonymous No.7692382]

>>7691889
That is an old copypasta

[Anonymous No.7692491]

>>7692328
it looks amazing, would like to know if it actually works properly

[Anonymous No.7693186]

>>7692328
>>7692491
buy one and tell us

[Anonymous No.7694382]

Good morning Saturnchads! Last night I invaded the Soviets!

[Anonymous No.7694432]

>>7690169
Why is Gheritt White being mentioned in a Saturn thread?

Anyways, I really liked that game Die Hard Arcade.

[Anonymous No.7695446]

should I watch this before playing the game?

[Anonymous No.7695454]

>>7695446
Depends, do you wanna turn into a degenerate tranny?

[Anonymous No.7695471]

>>7695454
well, he already owns a Shiturn...

[Anonymous No.7695508]

>>7695446
>>7695454
Is this a trick question?

[Anonymous No.7695550]

>>7695446
You dotn need to but it's a fun series

[Anonymous No.7695632]

>>7695446
I played and enjoyed the game without watching the anime. There are lots of FMV scenes that will familiarize you with the animes style throughout the game. It's made me actually want to watch the series after playing.

[Anonymous No.7695801]

I'm thinking of picking up a Saturn and I know I have to pick one of these to play burned games (https://www.play-asia.com/action-replay-4m-auto-plus/13/701b2).). Aside from that, what are some things I should know about the system and some worthwhile games for it?

[Anonymous No.7695819]

>>7695471
This picture makes me think of some characters from the Simpsons.

[Anonymous No.7695865]

>>7695801
That cart by itself won't play burned games, it needs to be flashed with Pseudo Saturn firmware. If you're doing it by yourself, it could be a hassle, especially if you have a model 2 which makes the disk swapping trick very difficult. For that same price you can find a pre-flashed Pseudo Saturn cart on eBay.

The legitimate usage of that cart, if you want to pick it up anyway and are curious, is allowing import games to be played on a US console, as well as acting as a memory card for backing up save states. For a bit more, you can also find Pseudo Saturn carts that also have storage for backing up saves like the AR cart.

As for some basic tips for starting out:
-I recommend starting out with a 3D controller, there's lots of games where you'll want to use it and you can toggle off the analog for games where you don't. It's more expensive than the standard controller so try and get it off your to buy list quickly, while standard and 3rd party controllers are cheap and commonplace.
A bundle with a Saturn, regular controller, and 3D controller would be ideal.

-Replace the battery. Yours will most likely come dead, which means you have to reset the clock and save files will be deleted after every power down. Thankfully, the battery is very easy to replace and requires no soldering. You can get the Cr2032 at your local pharmacies or even gas stations for $3. If you're lucky the seller will already have replaced it for you. You'll get about 4-5 years of life on each battery.

-Some classic games that most people here will recommend: NiGHTS, Sonic Jam, Panzer Dragoon, Saturn Bomberman, Magic Knight Rayearth, Dragon Force, Albert Odyssey, Daytona USA, Wipeout, Hexen, lots of others, just go through the thread really.

[Anonymous No.7695882]

How about that memory mod?

[Anonymous No.7695914]

>>7695865
>For that same price you can find a pre-flashed Pseudo Saturn cart on eBay.
Something like this?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33009943709.html
https://www.ebay.com/itm/303879883557?hash=item46c0a70b25:g:w0YAAOSwUJNfVg1O

If those aren't so good, what do you recommend?

[Anonymous No.7695943]

>>7695819
Lenny

>>7695801
>>7695865
What this anon said. I'd recommend buying a Nip Saturn too, they're cheaper.

[Anonymous No.7696124]

>>7695914
Is the one listed in Aliexpress decent? That software can be upgraded right?

[Anonymous No.7696141]

>>7695914
The aliexpress cart looks like the better option, as it has the memory backup with it as well as the RAM extension. The ebay cart is just the standard Kai with the extra RAM. Frankly it's more important to be able to back up saves than to have the extra ram, since not so many games require the expansion. But in all honesty, all you really need is the plain Pseudo Saturn Kai cart, which will be cheapest of all of them. The memory backup is really only useful if you have a dead battery or if you run out of internal memory, otherwise you can just use the internal to save everything.

[Anonymous No.7696171]

>>7696124
You can't upgrade unless the cart you're trying to flash already has all the features you want. So if you flashed the AR cart, it would have all those features since it has the chips inside for it. But your bare minimum cart won't have the hardware to do it.

I wouldn't recommend this since you don't already own the cart, but I had already owned the AR cart before Pseudo was released. I decided to flash it, but I couldn't because the model 2 was very difficult to pull of the disk swap trick. So what I ended up doing was buying the cheapest cart, I used it to load the firmware flash disk, then I swapped carts, flashed the AR cart so it had all the features, then flipped the red cart for my money back. Made about $10 from it.

[Anonymous No.7696196]

>>7695865
>>7696171
>>7696141

Basically the one on the playasia link is decent because I can upgrade it and has a big ram card. The only downside is that I have to do the swap disc thing to install the firmware (which I don't really mind doing) and I can't have back up saves. If so, I don't mind picking up the AR cart.

[Anonymous No.7696327]

>>7696196
Make sure you get a model 1 if you want to do the disk swap. Not only is the lid trick easier to pull off, but the window of time to swap the disks is much longer than on the model 2. It's near pixel perfect timing on the model 2 to pull it off.

[Anonymous No.7696332]

>>7696141
>>7696171
>>7696196
The internal memory is way too small. You can't put Iron Storm and Dragon Force both in internal because they're so large.

[Anonymous No.7696452]

>>7696332
>>7696171
Currently I'm leaning towards the action replay one despite having 4mb memory. If I were to get another cart with a bigger memory, is there some kind of way to do it while having the firmware on?

[Anonymous No.7696469]

>>7696452
Heh, anon no, the 4mb refers to the RAM expansion used by a couple of games.

[Anonymous No.7696474]

>>7696452
>>7696469
Oh, and I would do what another anon suggest, buy that red cart to install pseudo saturn and then just use the AR for saves or cheats. I actually ended up just buying an old Saturn memory card since my AR fucked up and puts my Saturn into a boot loop while it's in.

[Anonymous No.7696480]

>>7696469
Wait, I thought it said it has a 4M memory card function and the 1-4m ram was a different thing

[Anonymous No.7696493]

>>7696474
>buy that red cart to install pseudo saturn
The one on the aliexpress link right? Cause below the red one there's this model 2 one that has that but with a 1-4 ram and a 8m memory card.
It also mention this "Version:kai-lite 6.408 upgradable firmware" so I guess I can upgrade it to the latest firmware if I'm not mistaken

[Anonymous No.7696626]

>>7696480
>>7696493
I would recommend just buying a dedicated Pseudo device and separate memory card. Or spend the extra money for an already modded Saturn. OR spend more money and get a Satiator.

[Anonymous No.7697184]

How to play Dragon Force?

[Anonymous No.7697312]

If I buy a pseudo card with a switch to alternate between 1m and 4m of ram, does the game mention how many RAM is required when I boot it up? Speaking of, if I inserted a game that requires 1 RAM and the RAM switch of the cartridge is set to 4 RAM, does that fuck up the game or is it fine?

[Anonymous No.7697691]

How much of a hassle is it to properly burn Saturn discs? I know some people have issues with disc burners being too fast or some shit. I was thinking of picking up a Saturn and just burning the discs because fuck how much some of these games cost.
If push comes to shove I suppose I can just plug my laptop into my backup crt with a converter and just emulate, but I'd definitely prefer to use the original hardware.

[Anonymous No.7698098]

>>7697691
Just emulate with beetle-saturn, there are so few Saturn originals/exclusives that it's not worth actually buying a system for.

[Anonymous No.7698309]

>>7697691
It's not a hassle at all. For most cases, most brands will work for either the disks or the burners. Some anons who have problems with certain disks are probably having laser issues instead.

[Anonymous No.7698345]

>>7697691
>>7698309
I bought the Amazon recommends external burner and a spool of 100 Verbatim discs. I use imgburn to write them. Every single one has worked just fine.

>>7698098
This is wrong.

[Anonymous No.7698692]

Hey guys.

If I wanted to burn Saturn games onto CDs and play them on a North American Model 2 system, any other equipment that would be required to do so? I happen to own an Action Replay 4MB Plus without the extra port if that matters.

[Anonymous No.7698713]

>>7698692
Yes, you need to install Pseudo Saturn on it. Do that by buying a Pseudo Saturn Kai cart for $30 or so.
https://youtu.be/QRNt_YTr0jU

[Anonymous No.7698768]

I burnt metal slug a few days ago and I don't get any music. It was an NRG file that I converted to bin/cue for imgburn. Did I just convert it wrong? Also I tried to play the SotN 4mb hack but it's a glitchy mess and random doors send you back to the intro cutscene then crash.

[Anonymous No.7699036]

>>7698768
I've never tried converting, maybe find just a regular dump? Metal Slug is popular enough it shouldn't be hard.

[Anonymous No.7700392]

bumping

[Anonymous No.7701443]

Which?

[Anonymous No.7701489]

I've got a model 2

[Anonymous No.7701828]

>>7701443
>>7701489
I have a model 2 and I like the controller better.

[Anonymous No.7701951]

I'd like to try a model 1 controller just for comparison, but I've never seen one in real life and don't feel a need to order one in.

[Anonymous No.7702131]

is the 3D controller required for certain games? if so, which ones?

[Anonymous No.7702224]

[Anonymous No.7703013]

What's so special about Clockwork Knight?

[Anonymous No.7703018]

>>7703013
nothing. It’s just another OK game that segafags jerk off because it’s on Saturn

[Anonymous No.7703037]

>>7702131
No. The 3D controller has the same inputs only with the option to redirect the D-pad controls to the analog pad. The 3D controller will work on all games, but not all games support the analog pad, while all games can be played with the D-pad. A very large chunk of games support analog.

There's definitely a lot of games where you'll prefer the 3D controller. You can toggle which input you're using for either more sensitive or more precise control. When I started off the 3D controller was the only controller I used, though now I go back and forth between the standard model 2 and the 3D depending on the game.

[Anonymous No.7703048]

>>7703013
It's got a feel kind of like Donkey Kong Country mixed with Toy Story. It's an okay game that scratches the platformer itch on the Saturn but I don't really think anybody thinks it's a special game. I usually go to Gex or Rayman for my platforming itch.

[Anonymous No.7703071]

>>7703048
Why not Mega Man 8?

[Anonymous No.7703114]

Bought a Saturn with a known disc reading issue for pretty cheap. Disc drive has a weird issue where it will read a couple of games perfectly fine, while others either have longer load times, music cut out, or only being recognized as a CD. After replacing the laser, setting the pot at the right voltage, making sure the spindle is at the right height, and taking to a few Saturn enthusiasts, it seems like there may be a capacitor or 2 that's gone bad in the saturn. I don't mind doing the work to solder, but am I better off just buying another Saturn? I'm getting a satiator for the thing anyways so maybe it's not a big deal?

[Anonymous No.7703314]

>>7703018
>segafags
I really dig my Saturn, but as a kid was never big on Genesis or 32x. Am I a segefeg? I've never completed a Sonic level except Green Hill Zone.

[Anonymous No.7703319]

>>7702131
>>7703037
I waited to play Panzer Dragoon with mine, but I was actually pretty good at Revolution X on Genesis so I don't know how necessary the analog stick is.

[Anonymous No.7703321]

>>7703114
Yeah, just import one from Japen.

[Anonymous No.7703438]

Is burning discs still the only way to play backups on a real Saturn? No iso + SD card support?

[Anonymous No.7703449]

>>7703314
>am i segefege?
Nah, just a typical faggot.

[Anonymous No.7703453]

>>7703449
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.7703465]

>>7703438
Look up Satiator.

>>7703449
dang

[Anonymous No.7703919]

>>7681842
Why would you need a translation? If you're deep enough into weebshit to wanna play princess crown surely you're already proficient at Japanese.

[Anonymous No.7704116]

>>7703919
>surely you're already proficient at Japanese.
Anon.

[Anonymous No.7704121]

>>7701828
They're not hardwired to the system lmfao

[Anonymous No.7704145]

>>7704121
They should be. They're that much better.