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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcqrjcQYo8E

>> No.763432

This game is criminally overlooked. Incredible soundtrack.

>> No.763438

>>763432
It would have been better received if it was titled anything but Actraiser 2

>> No.763450

>>763432
I never liked the music seemed too meandering. Like someone just set their casio to string ensemble and smacked some keys.
"It sounds like an orchestra!"

>> No.763470

>>763450
There's a lot more interesting things going on then someone banging on a casio. The way the instruments emulate reverberation and vibrato is rarely seens in SNES games. Yuzo Koshiro worked on this, the same guy who did the music in Streets of Rage.

>> No.763472

>>763450
>Implying Yuzo Koshiro would touch a Casio

>> No.763490

>>763470
Doesn't mean the execution or composition is particularly interesting.

He did similar lack-luster soundtracks for the Oasis games. At least in Legend of Oasis it was ambient enough to not matter much but it was equally aimless and boring.

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I liked the original's ability to break up the platforming and boss battles with the RTS section. Sure Actraiser's strategy sections weren't difficult, or even requiring of any clear thought, but they could've fixed it in the sequel. Or hell, just left it as is.

They really should not have considered this a sequel since it's a precise rebuild of the first game's plot. With only a bit more effort it could've been it's own game or slight additions to make it a true sequel. As it is, the game feels a bit rushed.

>> No.763502

>>763494
I hated the SIM parts in Actraiser. I was happy to see them gone in the follow up

>> No.763506

The city-building aspect of the first game was my favorite part. It was both relaxing and stressful, and it was fun to watch your cities grow. It made you really care about the setting and townspeople in a platforming game.

I never bothered with the second one, since they removed that. I figured it'd just be like the first game, minus my favorite part.

>> No.763509

>>763506
Why not give the game a chance before you dismiss it like that?

>> No.763516

Why does anyone enjoy watching a Tool Assisted Speedrun?

>> No.763524

>>763516
>Why does anyone enjoy something I don't?

>> No.763527

>>763502

I enjoyed them since they were refreshing and made the gameplay feel varied. The combat in Actraiser two is significantly better, so I'm just wondering why they didn't do the same with the RTS.

>> No.763536

>>763527
Too much effort to make something better

>> No.763537

>>763516
Some sort of horrible boredom bordering on apathy, I suppose.

>> No.763543

Youtube caps framerate at 30fps, watch the archive.org versions for full framerate:

http://archive.org/download/pasky_actraiser2_in_405477/actraiser2-tas-pasky13_10bit444.mkv

>> No.763557

>>763516
I've never understood it. I guess I'll post a Sonic1 "speedrun" of me zipping to the end of every act in debug mode and post it.

>> No.763556

>>763524
I just don't understand the entertainment value in watching someone play a game frame by frame. I'd rather see their genuine skillset in action. I'm genuinely wondering what the draw of watching a TAS is.

>> No.763567

>>763556
2deep4u

>> No.763571

>>763556
i sometimes look at them at specific points in a game im having trouble with or something. it sometimes shows you some really neat exploits of AI etc.

>> No.763596

>>763556
Making TASs takes genuine skill too. There's a lot of complicated planning involved, you can't just play it frame by frame.

>> No.763597

>>763556

TASVideos.org has an explanation for why people make and enjoy these sort of things on the front goddamn page, stop playing stupid.

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>> No.763961

>>763490
I know what you mean. When the music is too orchestral, it gets kind of forgettable. It all sounds the same and kind of blurs together. ActRaiser 2 has an impressive soundtrack, but it's not very memorable because it's too grandiose.

I think that modern videogames suffer from the same issue: all soundtracks are epic orchestrated pieces and it all sounds the same. Emphasis is made on instrumentation instead of rythm. Although not very memorable, ActRaiser 2's soundtrack was not nearly as forgettable as the music of most modern video games.

>> No.763974

>>763961
Orchestration or orchestral style has nothing to do with why those soundtracks suck. They suck because they are bad motion picture style scores. You'd hear the same sort of boring music in movies, too.

>> No.764119

>>763974
That is exactly why I can't stand most Hollywood movies. Those pompous and over blown scores

>> No.764128

>>763502
They were the only really unique parts of the game. Without them it was just a bland and clunky sidescroller.

>> No.764206

>>763695
Oh my god it's 100% pure action and excitement, that must have cost them a fortune to produce.

>> No.764213

>>764206
Quintet knew how to make games right

>> No.764217

>>764206
That's their subtle way of saying WE TOOK OUT ALL THE COOL SHIT FROM THE FIRST GAME BECAUSE IT WASN'T AWESOME ENOUGH.

>> No.764221

>>764217
>Boring SIM parts
>Cool shit

>> No.764228

>>764221
It was unique. If you didn't like it, go play any of the other hundreds of sidescrolling platformers on the SNES.

>> No.764235

>>764228
But that is the thing, I don't feel the game needed those SIM parts. It adds a layer of pseudo depth that only slows down the game for those who got the game for the action

>> No.764248

>>764235
Why would you play a game with SIM elements if you don't like SIM elements?

There are plenty of action-only games on the SNES.

>> No.764256

>>764248
Not only that, but Actraiser's action scenes were kinda... poopy at times.

That stardust spell wipes out half the bosses in two casts.

>> No.764259

>>764248
I can say similar about Kingdom Hearts and its gummy ship.

>> No.764264

>>764248
Because as a kid you had to make games last until Christmas or your next birthday.

>> No.764265

>>764259
Gummy ship? I don't play garbage, elaborate.

>> No.764271

>>764259
What the fuck is a gummy ship?

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>>764265
>Kingdom Hearts
>Garbage

Anyway, the gummi ship (I typoed) is a interplanetary space ship that can be customized. A cool idea, but the execution of it in KH1 was a dull space shooter and was by far the weakest part of the entire game. KH2 polished it up a bit and generally made it nicer and a bit more fun.

>> No.764291

>>764282
Kingdom Hearts is shit

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>>764291

>> No.764321

>>764316
Kingdom Heart is for Deviant Art scum

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>>764291

>> No.764326

>>763432
No way. This game is inferior in every way to the original game. Worse music, worse controls, no Civ sections.

>> No.764334

>>764326
>Worse music

>> No.764336

>>763557
>in debug mode
if you really think this, you're a moron

>> No.764332

I thought it was pretty cool of them to include the first game's final boss as a hidden fight if you put in a password, or that you can fight in the intro cinimatic level with a password.

>> No.764346

>>764334
opinions

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>> No.764515

>>764336
Really think what? That tool assist runs are rarely true to what the point was supposed to be? This OP one for example. Nothing impressive or over the top is done. It's just a bullshit playthrough essentially using cheats

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>>764515
>cheats
ha! haha!

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>> No.764740

>>764527
Oh I know. It takes so much skill to play one frame at a time with invincibility.
They aren't real playthroughs showing any actual skill at the game so why bother?

>> No.764747

>>764740
>there's nothing interesting about seeing the theoretically best possible playthrough of a game

You are a pretty boring person.

>> No.764754

>>764747
I would LOVE to see that! To watch someone that good at anything is fun.
Tool assist shit isn't that though. Like I said. It's like calling using a level select code to go directly to the end a "speedrun"
BAM I just beat that game in 2 min! Lemme post that shit!

>> No.764770

>>764754
>I would LOVE to see that! To watch someone that good at anything is fun.

I'd like to smash your head in with a dictionary and rub the open wounds on the definition of THEORETICAL.

>> No.764783

They should've done the last stage better by making it a full level stage instead of a repeated boss fight. Last boss was underwhelming, just a huge non-moving sprite. There weren't anything transformations, scene changes, nothing. Would've been epic if Tanzra did something awe-inspiring.

>> No.764784

>>764740
You're not going to get a good time playing one frame at a time. If you only pick the action that looks best right now you'll lose time in the future. It's like solving a maze. You'll get a much better time if you plan ahead with a map than if you always pick the exit that takes you towards the goal.

>> No.764793

>>764740
Are you a gamer or just an Angry Birds casual? Actraiser 2 isn't really that hard of a game even at hard mode. Compared to many other action games (like super ghouls n' ghosts and Jim Power), it's actually easy once you memorized the patterns.

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