Retro forums

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Retro forums Anonymous Sun Jun 2 07:29:23 2013 No.754343 [Reply] [Original]

Not modern forums discussing old games, but old forums from back in the day. There's Google Groups that has the archive of usenet groups. Very interesting.

Here's an example.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 07:36:54 2013 No.754360 Most of the good NES games came out in the 90s so he was correct.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 07:46:23 2013 No.754371 The IBM PC was reaching the top at that point. VGA and sound cards were getting popular and more and more games were made with them in mind. Only the FM Towns was superior due to its CD Drive.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 07:53:53 2013 No.754382 >>754360 >Most of the good NES games came out in the 90s so he was correct. Except for Contra, Castlevania, SMB, Ninja Gaiden etc, obviously.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 08:04:23 2013 No.754398 File: 51 KB, 625x427, 1339208534493.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I only have this and another from /v/ taken out of context.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 08:05:24 2013 No.754403 File: 51 KB, 565x480, 1339207754470.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 08:11:23 2013 No.754415 >>754398 >Shekhel >Rauser mysidesareinorbit.avi

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 08:38:53 2013 No.754449 >>754398 Commander Keen was shareware but shareware was a type of commercial release.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 08:56:53 2013 No.754460 >>754382 And all 3 Marios and Final Fantasies All of which were released in the 80s in Japan.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 09:01:53 2013 No.754465 holy shit, some of these are like /v/'s older brother from the 80's

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 09:03:24 2013 No.754470 >>754403 I'm finding it very difficult to believe this wasn't created as a joke. The irony and parallels with modern fanatics is just too strong. Nothing ever really changes, does it?

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 09:08:54 2013 No.754489

>>754470
>Nothing ever really changes, does it?

Nostalgia fags all sound the same. Go to any youtube video of an old song.

>Thumbs up if you think they just don't make music like this anymore

It doesn't matter if the song is from 50's, 60's, or whatever. And you know damn well in 20 years they'll say the same thing about music from now.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 09:13:53 2013 No.754503

>>754470

I've tried pointing out that system generations people generally seem to have a boner for now (64 bit and last generation, from 2001 to about 2005) were looked down on by "classic gamers"

But no one wants to listen to me. No one wants to believe that their "golden era" was just when they happened to grow up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:16:55 2013 No.754735 >>754503 That's not true. I was a kid during the 5th gen, IMO a wholly mediocre era. Why would anyone be nostalgic for that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:19:54 2013 No.754742 >>754489 >It doesn't matter if the song is from 50's, 60's, or whatever Those are 13 yo edgy kids who wear Led Zeppelin t-shirts, not people who actually lived through that era

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:21:54 2013 No.754749 >>754489 >Thumbs up if you think they just don't make music like this anymore Not an untrue statement if you think about it. Of course today's music isn't going to sound like 1971 because...it's 2013. All music is a product of its era.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:24:53 2013 No.754762 >>754749 But what they mean is that "The music from when I was growing up is the best. Music has gotten worse since then". It's just nostalgia.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:27:23 2013 No.754772

>>754762
the older generation of people are ludicrously uneducated because they lived most of their life before the Internet. they had no exposure to music after HS in many cases and literally were unable to pay attention to or follow it. it's not like today where you can listen to almost any song ever made in a few mouse clicks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:28:23 2013 No.754774 >>754735 Eh, I've got some nostalgia for it, but there were far fewer truly great games than in the two gens that came before it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:30:23 2013 No.754783 >>754772 And I'm 28. I barely pay attention to current music. Most of the music I like is from 1982-2000. Most of those were years when I was growing up. I'm no better.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:30:23 2013 No.754784 >>754398 Why is that greentext not green?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:31:23 2013 No.754786 >>754783 Your fault, kiddo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:31:53 2013 No.754789 >>754786 >calling a 28 yo grown-ass man who's older than you a kid

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:34:24 2013 No.754795 >>754789 He's one of those edgy kids who goes on Youtube and whines how Justin Bieber ruined music and he wished he was alive in 1983 to party with cool people who listened to Van Halen

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:34:54 2013 No.754801 >>754795 0/10

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:35:23 2013 No.754806

>>754789
>>754786

I'm just saying that I'm not much better. I'm just aware of it, and not entirely deluding myself. Most of the console nostalgia is the same. And you can see it in these old posts from 25 years ago. Guys saying how games were so much better back in the Atari days, but not as good now.

>>754795

And shitty pop and boy bands has always existed. Most of it from the past isn't remembered.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:40:23 2013 No.754821 >>754343 So, the acrimonious nerds on /v/ are as likely to be senior citizens as they are to be underage teenagers. It's not age or maturity, it's a general outlook on life. This was an eye-opener. Thanks for showing me this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:42:54 2013 No.754827 Nostalgia is conceptually retarded so I don't believe in it, only objective reality

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:43:23 2013 No.754828 >>754795 And you're an enlightened, open-minded individual who appreciates music from every era equally. Please. Let a guy have his preferences. As long as he's not claiming "everything is Justin Beiber now," which he isn't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:43:53 2013 No.754831 >>754806 Luckily all those Atarifags are dead now. They succumbed to heart attacks or diabetes or their mom kicked them out of the basement.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:44:24 2013 No.754835 >>754827 What? Nostalgia is a thing due to how the human brain works. Maybe you don't know what the word means? Holy crap.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:45:53 2013 No.754836 It's not very hard to follow music >turn on VH1 top 40 countdown Done

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:46:53 2013 No.754841 >>754835 >Nostalgia is a thing due to how the human brain works Actually there's nothing neurological about an artificial social construct. A great deal of things we do are not innate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:48:53 2013 No.754847 >>754841 >I look back on my childhood with fondness only because society tells me to I learn something new every time I come here

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:49:23 2013 No.754851 >>754831 >Luckily all those Atarifags are dead now. And the same will happen to us. I think it's a shame. We should try to pass on some of these games to future gens.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:53:53 2013 No.754865 File: 303 KB, 1608x1796, 1368748279197.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>754851 >virtual console and look at how well that's turning out

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 11:54:53 2013 No.754869 >>754865 Metroid IS a game where you get stuck a lot. The answer is to just keep looking. I'd say it's not even a game for everyone.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:08:23 2013 No.754910 File: 161 KB, 220x294, ehe.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>754865 >y cant metroid crawl? every time

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:25:53 2013 No.754954 >>754762 >But what they mean is that "The music from when I was growing up is the best. no, what they mean is that they think liking older music makes them "different" and "more mature", those comments are written by 13 year olds just getting into music

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:36:53 2013 No.755004 >>754847 >he lets mass-produced corporate products define his childhood

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:37:54 2013 No.755007 >>754954 And this, my friend, is the very same kind who are driving game prices through the roof.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:44:23 2013 No.755047

There is a saying that you can lead the horse to the well, but you cannot make him drink from it. Many clueless individuals literally do believe playing Goldeneye when they were 7 years old was the zenith of video games, such is the powerful fog of nostalgia. The idea of playing Jumpman on an Atari 800 doesn't register with them, even though this is far more patrician gaming (I wasn't alive for the early 80s so no nostalgia here)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:50:24 2013 No.755083 >>754865 yawn Had the Interwebz existed when this game was new, sameshit

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:51:24 2013 No.755087 >>755083 It did, actually. They were busy complaining that it wasn't as good as the original.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:51:24 2013 No.755092 >>755083 This is literally what happened to me. I was 6, and I had rented SM. The guy at the store heavily recommended it. I got stuck and returned it. I got Darius Twin instead.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:52:54 2013 No.755095 >>755083 The internet did exist in '94

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:52:54 2013 No.755097 >>754865 This is fucking hilarious.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:53:54 2013 No.755104

>>755092
>>755087
Uh huh. But I'm getting the impression that there's a certain group of 25 yo virgins who think "Ha ha dumb COD children can't handle SM" when in fact they were exactly the same way playing it back then

>>755095
Usenet did. Not in the modern sense the net didn't exist.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:54:54 2013 No.755109 >>755104 Usenet's community was basically 4chan but with less kids and more FBI agents pretending to be kids. Same shit, realky.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:54:54 2013 No.755110 It was harder in the 90s because no GameFAQs back then

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:55:24 2013 No.755115 >>755104 No, the internet DID exist in '94 in the same way it does now. It went public in '89.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:55:54 2013 No.755116 >>755109 That is completely true. If you read old posts about video games or computers, it's almost 100% exactly the same as /v/ and /g/.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:55:54 2013 No.755118 >>755104 >Not in the modern sense the net didn't exist. The world wide web debuted on January, 1992.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:56:24 2013 No.755125 >>755118 Depends on whether you consider primitive HTML-based websites equivalent to today's Internet

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:57:24 2013 No.755129 >>755095 >The internet did exist in '94 But only nerds and professionals used it for chatting about vidya. >>755118 Yes, but it wasn't popular.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:57:55 2013 No.755131 File: 391 KB, 625x967, cad-20130520-1edd9.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>754865

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:57:55 2013 No.755135 >>755125 The difference between past pages and today's pages is a shit load of javascript/jquery and AJAX style scripting on top. Fundamentally, the world wide web is a a collection of hypertext and hyperlinks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:58:54 2013 No.755137 >>755129 The net in those days was as I said, 90% /v/ and /g/ topics because it was literally nothing but neckbeards

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:58:54 2013 No.755138 >>755125 >websites Yes. You might as well say video games didn't exist until Nintendo because primitive joysticks and one button controllers aren't equivalent to glorious D-pads and multibutton controls.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:59:24 2013 No.755140 >>755138 The Atari era was very different from gaming in its modern form, which really did come into existence on the NES

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 12:59:25 2013 No.755146 >>755131 As much as I want to say >buckley, he does have a point. >>755140 That was my fucking point, thank you for clarifying.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:00:25 2013 No.755152

>>755135
I dunno; you wouldn't even want to try taking a 90s-era PC online today. Pentium 4 boxes can still deliver acceptable performance, but anything before that just can't hack modern websites unless they're really light stuff like 4chan (which is basically using 10 year old code)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:01:25 2013 No.755153 >>755140 The Apple II was the start of non-Arcade gaming.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:01:25 2013 No.755161 >>755153 Computer gaming was largely born with the Apple II, yes, but we're mostly talking console games here

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:02:25 2013 No.755162 >>755146 >As much as I want to say >buckley, he does have a point. Which is why I posted it. I really don't like his comic the last few years, but it's become a habit to read it. And occasionally there's an amusing one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:03:24 2013 No.755167 >>755161 yeah pretty much the basics of PC gaming (adventures, dungeon crawlers, and strategy) along with the whole "culture" all originated on that platform

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:03:24 2013 No.755170 >>755152 Try that shithole Free Republic. It opened in 1997 and remarkably has never been updated.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:05:25 2013 No.755172 File: 17 KB, 620x549, l.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>755170 >check out FR jesus christ how horrifying

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:07:24 2013 No.755187 >>755172 whatthefuckman.jpg

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:10:55 2013 No.755195 >>755152 >anything before that just can't hack modern websites Well, yeah, also considering that the web browsers available to those computers wouldn't be able to even use CSS2 standards, most likely.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:15:24 2013 No.755216 >>754470 >Nothing ever really changes, does it? Nope. People will always think their generation was the best one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 13:51:24 2013 No.755394 >>755170 Drudge Report also looks barebones as hell. I think there's a joke in there about right-wingers and outdated code somewhere.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:05:54 2013 No.755443 >>755161 Stuff like the C64 could be used as a console. They had TV outputs and used joysticks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:09:54 2013 No.755461 >>754749 >it's 2013. All music is a product of its era. And your point is?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:12:25 2013 No.755469 >>755115 Uh, don't compare old internet to new internet. It's way different in terms of number of adopters. >>755110 Uh, gamefaqs was launched in 1995.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:12:54 2013 No.755470 >>755461 that they do not make music like in 1954 in 2013 because they are different years

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:13:24 2013 No.755474 >>755469 Lol, so many kids on this board

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:14:24 2013 No.755481 >>755470 I misread your post, sorry. I thought you were making implications. You're right. >>755474 ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:16:54 2013 No.755486 How do you search by date in groups?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:17:54 2013 No.755490 >>755486 first you take your nes and remove anything that looks important and then you put that stuff inside your computer

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:17:54 2013 No.755491

I'm really curious to know the opinions of games like Zelda II and other different sequels from back then. Digging through google groups is kind of a nightmare, though, the search is way too wide to narrow stuff down. Plus, I want to see if that one guy here is right about SuperMetroid being though of as being too casualized back then.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:21:55 2013 No.755501 >>755490 tried that, it doesnt work, but now it makes a nice whirring sound. I hate how google have the inbuilt 'by date' function only work one way--descending from most recent

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:21:55 2013 No.755502 >>755007 >I will now change my argument to prolong it

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:22:55 2013 No.755503 File: 4 KB, 432x71, email u a tissue.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this is fucking gold

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:25:25 2013 No.755508 >>755116 were there much in the way of music usenet groups? I'm wondering if it would be the same as reading /mu/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:27:25 2013 No.755515 >>755508 Were there any hipster back then? Then I'd say yes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:29:24 2013 No.755523 File: 34 KB, 472x449, cool factor.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:32:54 2013 No.755532 >>755523 >(She would play Dhalsim I think)

>>	Rvnx !neQZdLHW2A Sun Jun 2 14:33:54 2013 No.755540 https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.games.video/IKQkExqofSA

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:34:24 2013 No.755541 >>754398 Mule, Archon... I swear I thought he was talking about SC2 there for a second.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:34:24 2013 No.755545 >>754865 You know, if you search the archive for posts about Metroid after the release of Super its nothing but people asking for help after getting stuck

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:35:24 2013 No.755552 >>755515 actually, I'm looking through old music posts right now, it seems to pretty much be civil discussion, guess it's only you gaming and computer nerds that have always been dicks

>>	Rvnx !neQZdLHW2A Sun Jun 2 14:37:54 2013 No.755559 >>755540 Also, go back to the group and set the last post date in the filters to somewhere between 1985 and 1994 for some nostalgia

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:41:55 2013 No.755574 >>755545 >You know, if you search the archive for posts about Metroid after the release of Super its nothing but people asking for help after getting stuck Some examples?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:44:24 2013 No.755583 File: 6 KB, 200x267, 1361330379718.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>755523 >she would play Dhalsim I think

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:47:24 2013 No.755595 File: 8 KB, 1283x154, metroidhints.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>755574

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:48:54 2013 No.755602 >>755595 also, not to mention, it's posted in the arcade forum

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:49:54 2013 No.755608 >>755523 You know he's right though. The same fags who rail on about how BLAST PROCESSING is a pile of bullshit turn around and praise the Super FX chip to high heavens.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:50:54 2013 No.755610 https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.games.video/g603FxEvrzg This is interesting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:50:54 2013 No.755612 >>755595 >>755602 but to add to this, I don't see the all sorts of posts, just a couple actually, most of them are more people trolling various usenet groups about other consoles and games by saying it's the best new game

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:51:24 2013 No.755613 >>755595 Fucking pathetic casual kiddies. Back in my day, we didn't get help with Super Metro--ooooh, shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:52:24 2013 No.755618 >>754735 Fifth was a transition. 3D wasn't truly ready for most games but was shoehorned into everything. We could've had some epic sprite-based games but we will never be able to go back!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:52:54 2013 No.755621 File: 22 KB, 1280x296, ohnevermind.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>755612 actually... never mind, I should actually click on them more often... >>755613

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:53:24 2013 No.755623 >>755608 First off, no one does that. Second, the Super FX was an actual thing whereas "Blast Processing" was a marketing term that only served to make the Genesis sound cooler.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:55:24 2013 No.755637 >>755608 well Blast Processing was a marketing buzzword and the Super FX chip was a real thing... so... yeah..

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:55:25 2013 No.755639 >>755621 At least he's not saying "y cant metroid crawl????"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:56:24 2013 No.755642 >>755623 >>755637 Except the Genesis CPU was much faster than the SNES.

>>	GT3000 !Q5taavazbM Sun Jun 2 14:58:54 2013 No.755652 >755621 >Comparing a grown man's typing skills to a 16 year old's on Miiverse That's a bit of shit you're trying to hang from, Anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:59:24 2013 No.755654 >>755639 he probably would if he wasn't using a keyboard

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 14:59:24 2013 No.755657 >>755642 yes... but there is still no such thing as blast processing...

>>	GT3000 !Q5taavazbM Sun Jun 2 15:00:24 2013 No.755660 >>755621 >Comparing a grown man's typing skills to a 16 year old's on Miiverse That's a bit of shit you're trying to hang from, Anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:00:24 2013 No.755662 >>755660 what?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:03:54 2013 No.755674 File: 37 KB, 673x918, hvg.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I thought this was interesting.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:05:54 2013 No.755683

>>755642

>Except the Genesis CPU was much faster than the SNES.

So does my 3DS. My 3DS doesn't have blast processing, however. Blast processing isn't a thing. It's a marketing term. The Neo Geo, PSX, Sega Saturn, N64, etc were all faster and more powerful than the SNES, yet none of them had "blast processing"

On the other hand the Super FX chip was an actual thing that was developed. They didn't finish coding Star Fox and say, "hey, why don't we come up with a name for the reasons these graphics look this way" as it was an actual chip that did it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:07:24 2013 No.755692 >>755683 Genesis could produce Mode 7 effects, did they slap a fancy name on it to try and sell more software to idiots?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:12:24 2013 No.755715 >>755692 Except mode 7 was an actual thing. You're purposely being dense at this point.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:14:55 2013 No.755726 >>755623 I thought someone demonstrated that whilst Blast Processing was market speak, there was some truth when comparing the capability of each console. It was a simple way of conveying the difference

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:16:24 2013 No.755736 File: 38 KB, 246x244, top seal.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>754784

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:16:55 2013 No.755732 >>755726 That doesn't make blast processing a thing. The console was just faster.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:18:54 2013 No.755750 >>755692 You're using some of the most retarded circular logic I have ever seen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:20:55 2013 No.755771 https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.games.video/j-eX-wKIe2c I don't know why, but I get a kick out of reading old speculation/rumor threads.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:21:55 2013 No.755778 >>755750 How so?

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:25:54 2013 No.755812

>>755540
>https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.games.video/IKQkExqofSA
All that love for Sega...All that doubt in Nintendo...It hurts knowing their dreams won't come true /vr/ and now they are probably in their 30's or 40's and have kids of their own who will never know Sega how was did.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:28:24 2013 No.755829
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>>755545
the difference is that most of those people were able to figure out the most simple item in the metroid series and progress past the first 2 seconds of the game

most of the questions are tied in to legitimately puzzling areas or exploration related concepts, not "how dos i crwel wit metroid man?"

maybe this is tied in to the death of manuals, who knows

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:31:54 2013 No.755854
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>>755829
i should further point out that i'm aware that gamers back in the day weren't necessarily the pantheon of skill, and that magazines pretty much provided help and cheats in lieu of the internet, but i don't really think there is any denying that games aren't easier nowadays

look at how much publicity dark souls got primarily on the virtue that it was a legitimately challenging game in a sea of hand-holding half-movies

oh well! it's nice to see kids of today actually playing older games though instead of dismissing them for not having TOP TIER GUN SHOOTING ACTION

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:31:54 2013 No.755856 >>755829 >maybe this is tied in to the death of manuals, who knows Or maybe the internet is widely available now and people who make their mistakes noticeable are garnering more attention then they would have in 1994.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:32:24 2013 No.755858

>>755732
"Faster" is a relative term and its not always clear what is meant by that by a relatively naive consumer. A technical comparison doesn't make for good marketing. Blast processing accurately conveys the fact that Genesis has a faster processor than SNES. In that sense, it is a thing. If you are seriously trying to imply that SEGA were stating that they had a "Blast Processor" executing the Blast Processing, then you are a silly pants.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:32:24 2013 No.755865 >>755829 Pretty sure they give you scans of the manual when you buy off the Nintendo Wii store.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:34:24 2013 No.755870

>>755858
>If you are seriously trying to imply that SEGA were stating that they had a "Blast Processor" executing the Blast Processing, then you are a silly pants.

I'm not. The guy who compared Blast Processing to the Super FX chip and Mode 7 is, however.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:34:24 2013 No.755872

>>755812
>The conversion from PC Engine to TG16 is very easy, so I would assume
>that the most popular games for the PCE will find their way to TG16
>quite soon. IMO, both game systems will do well. However, given
>Sega's track recond, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Genesis curl
>up and die (I hope it doesn't, though).

If only he knew

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:34:24 2013 No.755876 >>755858 but while mode 7 is an actual thing with a real definition blast processing is not an actual thing as there is no difference between "blast processing" and normal processing

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:36:54 2013 No.755882

>>755715
Mode 7 isn't a thing. It's just a name for a scaling mode.

Scaling itself is a thing, though. Genesis could do it on the CPU, but not the GPU like the SNES could.

I'd argue the Genesis couldn't replicate the "Mode 7" as well as the SNES (though there were some games that tried), but Mode 7 had its own limitations. You couldn't do stuff like Road Rash on SNES (even the developers said so).

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:37:25 2013 No.755883

>>755870
Read the image I was replying to originally before you tried your best to show how smart you are. I was agreeing with the Josh Evans guy who was saying sure Blast processing is a gimmick but so is Mode 7 and Super FX. You're an idiot with no reading comprehension skills in the slightest.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:37:55 2013 No.755886 >>755872 Yeah, it's almost kind of sad reading that shit. So many expectations totally crushed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:38:55 2013 No.755892 >>755882 >B-but my 5fps Super Mario Kart is so much better than Road Rash!! B-but Mode 7 Super FX!!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:40:25 2013 No.755901 >>755883 >I was agreeing with the Josh Evans guy who was saying sure Blast processing is a gimmick but so is Mode 7 and Super FX. So you're an idiot. Good to know.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:41:24 2013 No.755907 File: 46 KB, 162x188, 1370058015668.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>755901 >gets taken in by marketing gimmicks by the same company who tries to discredit another's >calls the person who sees through both an idiot

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:43:54 2013 No.755913

>>755876
>but while mode 7 is an actual thing with a real definition blast processing is not an actual thing as there is no difference between "blast processing" and FASTER processing
That is the key point. Blast processing is a thing only because it refers to faster processing. Modern consoles don't go in for the belligerent marketing of old, but I have no doubt that if they did we would see some similar stuff being spouted that doesn't actually refer to a Blast Processor but actually means a better CPU or GPU or whatever. It doesn't mean, however, that these difference aren't real or that the terms aren't grounded in real things.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:43:54 2013 No.755914 >>755907 Except we have evidence of Mode 7 and the Super FX chip being real. And they aren't gimmicks, given what they did. Congrats on still being a class-A moron, though.

>>	lol i trol u !!8m+H51rfpNO Sun Jun 2 15:43:54 2013 No.755916 File: 130 KB, 550x731, everything was better.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >these ancient posts >this thread >this board This pic sums it all up

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:44:54 2013 No.755923

>>755872
The Turbografx-16 was absolutely crushed in marketing. I still wonder what gaming would be like if the Turbografx-16 beat the Genesis like it did in Japan.

The whole 8-bit CPU thing would still have really hurt it though, so a better, more catchy name would have helped a lot. Lots of people were making fun of the TG-16 for having "16" in the title without actually being true 16-bit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:45:54 2013 No.755925 >>754865 >HURR EVERYONE ELSE GOT STUCK HERE BACK IN THE DAY doesn't the game how to tell you how to use each item once you've picked it up?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:45:54 2013 No.755926 >>755914 Oh I forgot, Mode 7 is a "thing" as evidenced by the testimony of all of the Nintendo hardware engineers in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:46:54 2013 No.755936 >>755925 quoted the wrong post but yeah, you get the idea

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:46:54 2013 No.755938 >>755892 kid we don't post like that here, if you want to do that kind of shit take it to /v/ or better yet just stop it altogether

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:47:24 2013 No.755942 I wonder if any of the guys who posted in these old forums are still posting here. Probably not.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:47:54 2013 No.755946
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>>755104
>Not in the modern sense the net didn't exist.

I'm pretty sure that when I was using the Internet in 1994 the Internet existed.

I remember Sega's webpage to promote the impending launch of the Saturn.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:48:54 2013 No.755953

>>755923
Yeah, seriously. It's always interesting to think about the what-ifs of older game consoles. I always wonder how things would have turned out differently had Sega focused their resources into the Saturn and not been totally fucking stupid handling it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:49:24 2013 No.755957 >>755926 No, but we do have developers who actually coded for the SNES saying it was a thing. Off the top of my head, I remember Itagaki briefly mentioning mode 7 in an interview he had with game informer. It existed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:50:55 2013 No.755962 >>755957 Yeah, a thing as in the simplified name for a software gimmick, like blast processing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:50:55 2013 No.755964 >>755953 It wouldn't have been so bad if SoJ was running SoA

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:52:24 2013 No.755974 Why do SNESfags talk about the SuperFX like the Genesis SVP doesn't exist? Protip: It was actually far better than the SuperFX. That's why Star Fox runs at 15fps and Virtua Racing runs at 30fps even with more polygons.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:52:54 2013 No.755979 >>755962 Nope. Mode 7 was actually developed as a thing. Blast processing was not.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:53:24 2013 No.755983

>>755964
>opposite day

SoJ fucked up everything they touched. The only thing they didn't fuck up was hiring Kalinske to run SoA, and then letting him do what he wanted even though they disagreed with every single thing he proposed.

Then, after he took Sega from about a 5% market share to the leading video game manufacturer in the largest market in the world, they promptly started overruling him, and created the Sega CD, 32X, and Saturn disasters.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:53:55 2013 No.755989

>>755926

the snes had 8 "gfx modes", named modes 0-7

of these, mode 1 was used most often in games (provides 3 layers, 2 are 4bpp and 1 is 2bpp)

the rest of the modes provide varying layers with varying effects. mode 7 is the most different, providing only 1 layer (minus sprites) that is 8bpp, and able to rotate/scale

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:53:55 2013 No.755990 >>755974 >Why do SNESfags talk about the SuperFX like the Genesis SVP doesn't exist? I'm sorry, what does this post have to do with anything?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:54:24 2013 No.755994 >>755916 But I hated everything about pop culture when I was twelve

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:55:24 2013 No.756000 >>755994 >being a hipster was cooler when I was 12

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:57:24 2013 No.756013 >>755916 but i have come to the conclusion that i was a fucking idiot when i was 12

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:57:54 2013 No.756017 >>755989 In some ways Blast Processing was just as real. It was a way to send data straight into the DACs bypassing the DSPs. It was a strange hardware quirk not present on SNES.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 15:59:24 2013 No.756025 >>755892 But road rash ran like shit, sure its more advanced than super mario kart or f-zero, but those two ran lot smoother and faster.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:00:54 2013 No.756036 >>755983 well don't forget bernie stolar's amazing JAPANESE GAMES ARE FOR NERDS THE COOL AMERICANS DONT WANT THAT SHIT policiy

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:02:24 2013 No.756042

>>755983
Saturn was successful in Japan and they couldn't understand why America was pushing for Dreamcast so hard. America didn't bother localising so many of the Saturn'a best games. It was a disaster and all they could do was clear the deck and start again.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:04:54 2013 No.756054 >>756017 interesting yeah, snes didnt have anything like that; only speedup trick available was to use FastROM (2.68MHz->3.58MHz)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:06:24 2013 No.756062 File: 64 KB, 500x393, 1342206553515.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>755674 >I'll probably get either the 3DO, the Atari Jaguar, or the Sega Saturn when it becomes clear which one survives, and when there are enough good games for them

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:09:24 2013 No.756071

>>756036

But he was right. It's still true today, just look at cawadooty.

>>756042

And Genesis was a huge success in the USA, despite SoJ's efforts, which SoJ then ruined anyway with Sega CD (which actually didn't do too badly in Japan), and then 32X. SoJ ordered SoA to develop and market 32X while actually frigging hiding Saturn from them. And then SoJ dropped almost all software support for five months after launch, leaving SoA holding the bag and a huge number of angry customers who'd just dropped $200+ in 1990s dollars on a 32-bit Sega system that wasn't going to have any games. It destroyed Sega's reputation in North America.

Seriously, SoA was not told that SoJ was going all-in on the Saturn, how far along in development it was, or when it was going to launch. The Saturn launched at almost exactly the same time in Japan as the 32X in North America.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:13:24 2013 No.756090

>>756054
You missed the joke; he just threw a bunch of random technical terms at you.

"Sending data straight into the DAC" = the standard, documented way to play back sampled sounds on the YM2612
It's not a "hardware quirk," it's explicitly part of the design. There is no analogue on the SNES because the SNES has much more sophisticated sample playback hardware, and thus no need to manually manipulate the DAC.

None of that has anything to do with the computational capabilities of the Genesis.

Why do people (Nintendo fanboys or otherwise) keep bringing up "blast processing" in 2013? It was a fucking marketing buzzword from twenty years ago, who gives a shit. Nintendo's slogan at the time was "Now you're playing with power." WHERE IS THE POWER NINTENDO? IS POWER REAL IS IT A THING IN THE NINTENDO WHY CANT I PLAY WITH IT OMG U LIED TO ME.

There are concrete differences in capabilities between the systems that you can discuss instead of beating this dead horse.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:13:24 2013 No.756093

>>756071

I forgot to add -- the whole point of 32X was that SoA correctly reasoned that the Genesis could last another few years with a graphical upgrade, and that was the whole point of the add-on -- letting customers keep playing their old Genesis games, and developers keep making Genesis/32X games, and raking in the cash while people slowly upgraded to the next system. It was a good idea, evidenced by the fact that Nintendo was still having huge sales successes with SNES in 1996.

So SoJ agreed, ordered its development, and then six months after 32X's launch announced that there wouldn't be any more 32X OR Genesis games, and if anyone wanted to play Sega games in the future they'd better ramble on down to Target and buy a shiny new Saturn, only $399 lol!

That's why Saturn was a disaster in the USA. I'd owned a Master System, two Genesises, Sega CD, and 32X. I asked the folks for a PSX in 1995.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:14:55 2013 No.756101 >>756090 >buttjelly that he never had the power of blast processing

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:18:25 2013 No.756112 >>756101 I was an idort. I had Blast Processing AND Super Power.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:20:55 2013 No.756117

>>756090

Who are you even talking to? This all started because on guy decided to compare blast processing to things that actually existed. You'd have a point if someone tried to compare "power" to something on the genesis that actually existed, but no one in here did that.

You're perceiving this as some sort of fanboy war when it's clearly not.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:21:24 2013 No.756120 >>756112 No you didn't. Neither one of those things existed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:23:54 2013 No.756124 Surprising how little people have changed. Only difference we have now is having "le smug anime face" like >>756062 to go with our sarcastic posts and condescending people 20 years ago for not being able to predict the future.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:24:24 2013 No.756127 >>756120 >mad Nin30yearold detected

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:26:54 2013 No.756134 File: 42 KB, 300x300, le_bell_face.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>756124 BBS -> Usenet -> PHPBB -> 4chan and lebbit It's all the same shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:27:54 2013 No.756137 File: 224 KB, 500x667, nothing says power like the NES controller hovering over tetris.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>756112 I just had regular Power.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:28:54 2013 No.756140 File: 254 KB, 600x500, nichijou_lel.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>756137 >he didn't have super power

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:35:55 2013 No.756158 >>756134 >>756140 People will unearth a 4chan archive from 20 years ago and ask "what's up with these sarcastic anime faces?". You know it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:37:24 2013 No.756164 >>756158 >they didn't even color their posts' background to indicate emotion!

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:44:24 2013 No.756184

>>754865

To me, it's not that they're crying out for help, it's when and where. My help expectations are with the helper animal sections, getting that missile in the wall in Maridia, getting past the seemingly invincible Pirates, stuff like that. Not at least 4+ people stuck not knowing how to use bombs on visibly distinct blocks right after obtaining the item.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:45:24 2013 No.756191 How can hardware have political allignments. Why do faggots bring politics into everything?

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:47:54 2013 No.756195

>>756184
This, so fucking much. Half of these fuckheads can't even figure out how to use the morphball which the GAME TELLS YOU HOW TO USE IMMEDIATELY AFTER GETTING IT, not that it really takes much controller experimentation to figure out how to use.

"Gee, I obviously have to crouch down and crawl or something to get through this narrow little passageway! Maybe if I push down once or twice..."

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:52:24 2013 No.756216

>>754865
Off topic, what are some instances where you honestly think a good old game has aged poorly and you think should have been changed? You know, not the hard parts or the parts that make you guess, but the bullshit parts.

I played through the original Metroid recently, and starting out with only 30 health after each death was too much bullshit for me. I ended up downloading a ROM hack that fully replenishes your health when you start. Either that, or turning the "save rooms" of the FDS version into recharge rooms would have made the game a lot more bearable.

Maybe one day I'll complete it without that hack, but no way I'm going to sit around farming the flying things that come out of pipes when I have no idea where I'm going in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 16:52:24 2013 No.756217 >>756191 You're one of those SEGA bastards, aren't you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:02:24 2013 No.756260 >>756217 Judging from your post, I can only assume you support the wanton slaughter of innocent babbies and the rape of all living beings.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:04:54 2013 No.756268 >>754762 It isn't though. There were tons of terrible one-hit wonder artists back then. Nostalgiafags don't actually like X thing, just the memory they attach to it.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:07:24 2013 No.756278

>>754403
Echoing the theme of this post, I wish intense hardware discussion of modern consoles would (or rather could) come back. Consoles back in the day had so much personality and variance in terms of graphical capability, audio, and other hardware related areas, but nowadays hardware updates see such diminishing returns that hardware hardly ever makes a difference unless you're Nintendo (and thus a generation behind).

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:08:25 2013 No.756283

>>756268
This is especially true of radio music. You think if you turned on the car radio in 1969 that they were playing Rolling Stones and Who tunes? Heck no, the Billboard 100 chart for that year had Archies - Sugar, Sugar at the top.

Most of what you would have heard on the radio in the 60s was forgettable pop/R&B garbage made by artists largely unknown to anyone born after the Eisenhower years.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:09:25 2013 No.756290 >>756278 We've started to reach the practical limits of digital electronics. There is much less variation in the audiovisual capabilities of modern video games than there was in the 80s.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:11:54 2013 No.756303

>>756071
Really?

I always understood that there was never any pretence about the 32x. It was always a stopgap. It was never thought to be the next gen console and this was well known by all Sega branches. SoA wanted the Neptune to be the next gen console so that some games could be compatible with the 32x. SoJ pushed for a CD based console. With sales of 32x being poor, it was a universal decision to drop it.

The problem with the 32x was that the overall strategy of Sega had not been determined at the time of release. The knock on effect was the loss of confidence in 32x. If Sega had decided clearly about what they wanted to do, they could've possibly done more with 32x. 32x would not have done well in many core markets and would always limit your customer base as people are unlikely to go out and bye a new mega drive and 32x together. Your total customer base will always be less than the total number of mega drive owners. This is not a good strategy.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:15:24 2013 No.756320

>>756290
We haven't reached the practical limits, we have reached the economic limits. We are at a point where to enjoy the same increase in performance and visuals, you have to pay significantly more to the point where it is not economically viable for such consoles to make use of them.

The next stage of video game consoles should have made use of water cooling systems.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:15:54 2013 No.756328 >>754403 It's like /v/ 20 years ago.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:16:24 2013 No.756331 >>755503 hahahahah i love it

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:16:54 2013 No.756335 >>756164 dude that's a fucking awesome idea. you could have spectrums of moods/emotions.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:17:25 2013 No.756341 >>756328 Except dumber because Atari stuff was objectively shit

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:17:25 2013 No.756342

>>756290
Hence what I was saying about diminishing returns and how I wish said hardware discussion *could* come back. I guess you can't really complain about it since it was just something that was inevitable. I mean, from what we've seen of next gen consoles, they look hardly distinguishable from current-gen consoles. I mean, hell, I know it has never exactly been a benchmark for graphical capabilities, but the new Cowadootie doesn't look like anything you'd expect from a new console.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:18:25 2013 No.756343 >>756036 Bernis Stolar, what a fucking idiot. Dreamcast should have been handled in USA the way it was in EU--where if it had continued to sell would have dominated the PS2 easily.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:21:25 2013 No.756354 >>756341 Atari carts can be had for practically nothing. Because outside of nostalgia, who on earth would possibly want most of them?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:21:54 2013 No.756356 >>756343 Would the European market have been enough to sustain it though? I think the loss of NA and Japanese markets meant that DC could not have survived. Saturn and 32x killed the Dreamcast

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:27:24 2013 No.756375 >>756164 hi, just letting you know im stealing this idea t: m00t2.0

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:33:24 2013 No.756392 >>756356 I mean take whatever strategies they were using to achieve that dominance and apply them to US market instead of keeling over

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:37:55 2013 No.756403

>>756216
>Off topic, what are some instances where you honestly think a good old game has aged poorly and you think should have been changed? You know, not the hard parts or the parts that make you guess, but the bullshit parts.

I'm playing through Leisure Suit Larry 2 right now, and let me tell you -- I find myself having to load savegames from 30 minutes ago because of items the game never even hints at existing. The sunscreen, for example. You will NOT know you need it until later in the game when you die from UV radiation while sunbathing -- you're already on a cruise ship so buying the sunscreen isn't something you can just simply do at that point.

That is bullshit.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:39:24 2013 No.756409

>>756392
Sega had a stronger, more stable customer base in Europe. The Saturn was successful in Europe (and Japan) so the standard marketing in this region would've had a lot more resonance than it did in NA.

32x was less of a thing in Europe, I believe. Perhaps the loss of trust and reputation was not a factor in Europe

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:41:25 2013 No.756417 >>756343 I actually heard that it did worse in Europe than in the US. Maybe it did well in some individual European countries, but in the region as a whole it didn't do that great.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:42:24 2013 No.756419 >>756409 >The Saturn was successful in Europe What? No it wasn't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:45:24 2013 No.756425 >>756419 He's right that Sega was much more popular in Europe than Nintendo, but both could not compare with Sony when it entered the market.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:45:54 2013 No.756426 >>756417 The UK certainly was always a strong region for SEGA. Don't know about other places

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:47:54 2013 No.756435 >>756425 Yeah, Sony rode the rave culture wave perfectly with the Playstation

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:52:54 2013 No.756452 >>756425 >>756435 Yeah, there's no questioning the dominance of PS Imagine if the Nintendo/Sony partnership didn't fail... Would we still have Sega?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:53:54 2013 No.756458 >>756425 I know the N64 sold like ass in Europe, but I'd be surprised if it was actually below the Saturn. I'd also be surprised if the Saturn actually did better in Europe than in the US by any significant margin.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:56:25 2013 No.756472 ITT: faggots acting like they have humans figured out yes your sociology degrees are worthless

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:57:24 2013 No.756476 >>754762 Why are you on /vr/? graphics-kiddie

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:58:24 2013 No.756480 classical > all your pop shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:58:54 2013 No.756483 >>756458 I actually have heard that Saturn did significantly better in EU than US. I also heard that Saturn outperformed N64 in JP.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:59:24 2013 No.756485 >>754470 >Nothing ever really changes, does it? Go read Esiod and how he bitches about the old times being better and "a golden age". He wrote that in 800 B.C. by the way.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:59:24 2013 No.756486 >>756472 ITT: You make snap judgements that aren't relevant

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 17:59:54 2013 No.756489

>>756452
The Play Station (as it was called) would've been nothing more than a CD add on. Nintendo just didn't like handing Sony loads of revenue, so they broke off. However, Nintendo decided to cut the agreement off the worst way imaginable, by partnering up with Sony's rivals. Had Nintendo just told them no the right way, it would've been remembered in the same was as the NES knitting kit.

Sony entered the market to spite Nintendo. All the money they've made off the PS1 and PS2 has been bleeding out of them with the PS3, and the PS4 will finish them off if it fails.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:00:24 2013 No.756492

>>756452

Sonytendo would suck, lets be honest. PS1 kicked the industry up a notch by NOT being bloated with prehistoric Nintendo bullshit. The SNES CD would simply have maintained the status quo, and maybe led to another market death amidst gimmick add-on fever

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:00:54 2013 No.756491 Those faggots who cry "nostalgia" are a bunch of liberals who think there aren't superior and inferior video games and generations. Dumb fuckers. They'll get what's coming to them. I bet those kids have facebooks too, what a bunch of totalitarians.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:02:24 2013 No.756495 >>756489 There would have been fewer competitors. You could've had another generation out of SEGA at the very least

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:02:54 2013 No.756496 You're a bunch of normalfags. Funny how "vidya" is a normalfag word now. And stop equating everything with 4chan, 4chan really is normalfag bastion. You fucks think you're so alternative and on the "deepweb" fuckin normals get out of here

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:03:24 2013 No.756501 >>756492 The PS1 made video games into what they are now. Try and deny that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:03:54 2013 No.756498 >>755152 Yeah because those sites are fucking inefficiently deigned and the age of the "code" doesn't mean shit. It's because 4chan doesn't have a much of useless shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:04:24 2013 No.756503 >All music is a product of its era. Wrong, not all music is popular-music. Go away, behaviourist.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:05:24 2013 No.756506 >>755503 SICK BURN

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:05:54 2013 No.756507 >>756501 It put us on the path, but it was the XBox that finished it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:07:54 2013 No.756509 >>756507 Really, the PC played an equal role in shaping today's video games

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:08:54 2013 No.756513 File: 20 KB, 240x200, 5710595526215816.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>756507 Had there been no path, we wouldn't have this problem.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:10:25 2013 No.756518

>>756492
>PS1 kicked the industry up a notch by NOT being bloated with prehistoric Nintendo bullshit.

And instead it was bloated with FMV stealing space from actual VIDEOGAME content, movie-like "experiences" and a wrong emphasis on storytelling in games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:10:54 2013 No.756520 >>756025 Uh Road Rash wasn't "more advanced" in any sense, it was doing the same fake perspective trick that arcade racing games had been doing since Pole Position. There was no real rotation in any of those games.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:12:24 2013 No.756527

>>756507

CoD, if that's what you're crying about, got its first, crucial success on the Pc with 1&2.
Halo did nothing but continue what Nintendo began on the N64, shaping FPS for being playable on consoles, it wasn't this industry killer everyone cries about.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:13:24 2013 No.756528 >>756513 What problem? The most varied the games industry has ever been? The most open and lowest cost-of-entry to developers things have ever been?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:14:24 2013 No.756531 >>755674 >Ariel Cohen And yet, his opinion is anything except jewish. What a strange individual. Too bad he was too stupid to understand why games had to cost that much.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:15:24 2013 No.756534 >>756518 FMVs are pretty much dead and buried, and it wasnt that bad outside of Metal Gear Solid

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:15:55 2013 No.756539 >>756528 Shhhhh, stop using that logic! You'll awaken all the oldfags here.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:16:55 2013 No.756548

>>756528
>low cost-of-entry
>a good thing

The licensing fees were there for a reason. With Sony, literally anyone could develop games for the PS1. Be it college drop outs who read a bit of C or extremely kikeish publishers wanting to save a few extra bucks that would've been recuperated in sales.

In short, the PS1 was zero-risk.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:17:24 2013 No.756556

>>756527
Console gaming has always taken its influences from its other platforms. The Arcade influenced early home console gaming, the PC influenced console gaming of circa 2000 until now. Home consoles were never original, hence the problems we are having now. Noble has any ideas as nobody EVER had original ideas. They've just run out of places to copy them from

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:17:54 2013 No.756554

>>756534

They're not "dead and buried".
They simply evolved in all the fucking long cutscenes we get these days.

Whether they're in engine or prerendered, they still come from FMV, when developers understood they could put little movies to pad their games with (not)content.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:18:24 2013 No.756560

>>756528
>The most varied the games industry has ever been?

Are you blind? The game industry is collapsing because budgets have ballooned out of control, the adoption of anti-consumer policies, and people leaving gaming.

The higher costs rise, the less risk becomes viable, until eventually you are left with a market that's saturated with samey games, like we're rapidly approaching.

The only hope gaming had for a future was with the Wii and DS, but they were shit on by faggots who didn't understand that they were leading us to where we are now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:18:54 2013 No.756558 >>756548 Anyone could develop for PCs as well, yet they were never inundated with the same masses of shovelware

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:19:24 2013 No.756564 >>756548 It was said that Hiroshi Yamauchi wanted Nintendo to have a console that "was really hard to develop for" to keep out shovelware

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:23:54 2013 No.756575 >>756564 That was pretty much what the Saturn was. The problem is, when a console is a bitch to program for, your shit titles become REALLY shit when they otherwise would've just been shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:24:24 2013 No.756579 plonk

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:24:25 2013 No.756583 >>756531 anti-semitie go back to /pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:26:54 2013 No.756592 fucking hypocrite liberals lelelleelellelelelel fuck da joos >:D but muh modern gaming muh superior generation you're just having nostalgia! there are no superior and inferior games! justin bieber is good!

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:29:24 2013 No.756602

>>756564
Yamauchi always had a similar goal in his years. He witnessed "third parties making the industry go belly up" in the early 80's, and wanted to keep them in check. With him, and Nintendo, in control, all third parties were kept in check. But as soon as Sony came onto the picture, it all started to collapse. While some good games came out on the PS1, they were all buried by the forerunners of top dollar games that are "too samey".

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:29:25 2013 No.756607 >>756527 I was thinking Halo. CoD 1&2 were good.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:29:25 2013 No.756608 stop fucking deleting posts you jackass janitor fucking babby this thread is filled with hypocrite racist liberals why are they even on /vr/ if they don't think older games are superior to newer ones?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:30:25 2013 No.756612 >>756564 >It was said that Hiroshi Yamauchi wanted Nintendo to have a console that "was really hard to develop for" to keep out shovelware Man, judging how the Wii turned out, Nintendo really has changed.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:32:25 2013 No.756617

>>756608
oh christ I never get tired of /pol/ crazies that screech and rant about shit nobody wants to hear and then act persecuted when they get banhammered for being a fucking derailing nuisance

go be hysterical somewhere else, you're worse than the women you think are after you

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:33:24 2013 No.756620 >>756617 HURR BUT IT'S JUST NOSTALGIA! LE NOSTALGIA FACE :D go back to reddit, kid oh and don't forget to make an atheist thread talking about how the jews are so evil, hypocrite

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:33:24 2013 No.756621 >>756124 Yeah because irony isn't funny at all.

Gray Blob !1fuckupmdM Sun Jun 2 18:33:55 2013 No.756628

>>756612
Well to be fair, Nintendo was TRYING to hook in the growing casual market for the seventh gen. And it fucking worked.

I guess they saw the error of their ways after the PS1 dominated the fifth generation and the Gamecube went nowhere fast. Shame the Wii U had such a lukewarm launch...

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:34:24 2013 No.756631 >>756602 Yamauchi also hated videogames, he was just a decisively vicious businessman

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:34:54 2013 No.756634 >>756621 irony isn't funny, is simplistic bullshit yes we get it, marx (not that marx) was too complex for you and so you became a hipster

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:35:24 2013 No.756637 >>756575 Witness case: the Atari 2600. A tremendous programming headache and guess what? Its shit games were the shittiest shit to ever shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:35:24 2013 No.756639 >>756485 How do you know he wasn't right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:35:24 2013 No.756642 >>756485 go back to cracked.com

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:35:54 2013 No.756641

>>756628
Gee, where are all the third parties with the Wii U? I sure hope there's another Metal Gear game on the Wii U, especially a port! I mean, Kojima and Sakurai are friends, they got Snake in Brawl! And we all know Kojima is cool, so he'll definitely hand Nintendo a Metal Gear game, right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:36:24 2013 No.756647 >>756628 It's because WiiU has NOGAEMS

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:36:24 2013 No.756649 >>756628 And of course HY had retired by the time the Wii came out, so his influence was no longer present

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:36:24 2013 No.756651 >>755152 >really light stuff like 4chan (which is basically using 10 year old code) Heh.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:36:54 2013 No.756653 >>756620 what the flying fuck are you even talking about

>>	Gray Blob !1fuckupmdM Sun Jun 2 18:37:54 2013 No.756658 >>756641 >>756647 Eventually... hopefully. Won't hold my breath.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:38:24 2013 No.756660 >>756634 >irony isn't funny The hell are you on? Was that your post? Is this why you're so upset about this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:38:24 2013 No.756661 >>756520 It's more advanced in the sense that the road isn't completely flat like it is in F-Zero and most other games from that time. There are actual hills and bumps in the road and shit.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:38:24 2013 No.756663

>>756628
>Shame the Wii U had such a lukewarm launch...
I think this upcoming E3 will be Nintendo's redemption. Some heavy-hitting titles and maybe a price drop could really kick the console off. A good number of the launch issues have been fixed too, right? Right now Wii U owners don't have much to play, but hopefully that'll change come next holiday season.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:41:54 2013 No.756681 >>756637 David Crane said the 2600 was probably the most difficult console to program ever. While many programmers wanted to bang their head on a table, he relished the challenge

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:43:24 2013 No.756693

The real reason we care about Blast Processing and keep bringing it up is because "Blast Processing" is a really cool term. We want to believe there's a Blast Processor because dammit, that would be the best piece of hardware on the market. Sega could have started selling that as a hardware brand name, if they had something to put it on.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:44:25 2013 No.756703 >>756658 >implying Kojima cares about Nintendo >implying he cares about filling out his part of a deal Shouldn't the 3DS port of MGS3 be alright?

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:45:55 2013 No.756707

I've noticed something. Video game stagnation has been staged off purely through progress in the delivery of games, but the core has remained static the entire time. Take Nintendo as an example

NES was the first platform for most of Nintendo's IP. Things were new and exciting. SNES allowed these IP to get a new lease of life- the visuals and control was improved. These games looked amazing. With the N64, we were controlled these characters in 3D environments for the first time and it blew our minds. GC provided a similar sort of progress as the SNES, better visuals and controls. However, the Wii did not make any of the above core leaps. There was not much more to be done graphically speaking, controls were already pretty tight, so wiggling was invented as a new input method. This was hardly a revolution, but it was interesting. Interest is not enough. We now have another generation with no attempt to improve on any core aspects of video games. They remain static as they have done for the last decade. This is part of the reason why video games are becoming less interesting. Furthermore, with every new console, Nintendo have introduced at least one new IP. Where was the new IP for the Wii? Or the WiiU? Creativity is being limited to what was set out 30 years ago. Is it any wonder why we feel that gaming is going to shit?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:46:55 2013 No.756714 >>756693 Blast processing was real

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:50:54 2013 No.756729 >>755974 And it was used in literally one game, whereas the Super FX and Super FX2 chip were used in a number of games for more than just polygonal effects. The 32X puts them both to shame and was very capable of doing smooth 3D

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:52:25 2013 No.756737 >>756164 fuck the next level sarcasm maneuvers that would bring, shit, goddamn, you should become the new moot

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:52:55 2013 No.756738 >>756518 But the Super FX 2 chip in Yoshi's Island makes it have timeless graphics, that far surpasses 3D graphics of any Yoshi.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:53:54 2013 No.756743 >>756495 Sega was the main factor in Sega's death as a home console manufacturer. Sony's success was just a nail in the coffin Sega had built for themselves.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:54:54 2013 No.756747 [DELETED]

>>756660
stop fucking deleting my posts you pussy

this whole thread is shit and you won't delete it

go back to /v/, janitor

and irony is again for low iq retards why do you think 4chan is filled with it?

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>It's more advanced in the sense that the road isn't completely flat like it is in F-Zero and most other games from that time. There are actual hills and bumps in the road and shit.

OH WOW SO FUCKING AMAZIN HILLS AND BUMPS AND ALL KIND SOF GOODY THINGS IN DA ROADS OH YEAH GONNA DRIVE U PDEM BUMPS UP DEM HILLS OH SO REALISTIC

FUCK YOU VIDEO GAME NERD OG THE FUCK OUTSIDE

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 18:55:24 2013 No.756753 >>756747 What the fuck kind of jacked up PCP are you on, bro?

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 19:00:54 2013 No.756769

>>756714

It was real in the sense that the the sega genesis had a faster core clock then the super nintendo, so they were able to turn that into "WAY FASTER THEN THE SUPER NINTENDO" when in reality it was like a couple hertz quicker

I can't really gauge the speed advantage since sega had like four different genesis models released, each with their own little tweaks and reworks

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 19:04:25 2013 No.756781

>>756743
The Saturn had potential and in different market conditions, it could've thrived. The Saturn failed because retail support shifted to the new platform. You can't sell a product if stores will not stock it and developers will not support it. If there was no new platform, the Saturn would've retained a stronger position. Further, the Dreamcast could've won back a lot of consumer confidence. Sure, Sega made some serious errors and they are mainly to blame for the appalling situation they found themselves in, but I'm not convinced that they could've avoided the ultimate outcome. Many of the bad decisions governing Saturn were in the fundamental design.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 19:05:24 2013 No.756782 >>756769 Exactly what I mean, they shoulda licensed that term out to some hardware manufacturer. Everybody would buy a... let's see, given the time... a motherboard with an onboard graphics chip called a Blast Processor.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 19:07:24 2013 No.756785

>>756743

the irony of sega during the dreamcasts reign is so incredibly thick you could cut it with a knife

It was one just about the only time sega had managed to have a whole premiere gaming library prepped and ready right after the console's release, the dreamcast was never reworked and released with different model revisions, it was cheap as hell as were its games, and to top it all off they had finally managed to catch the American audience in a decent percentage

IT was really all that dicking around with the nomad, game gear, saturn, 32x, cd, and umpteenmillion genesis revisions that bit them in the ass; but I guess its as the saying goes too little, too late

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 19:11:24 2013 No.756803

>>756785
>IT was really all that dicking around with the nomad, game gear, saturn, 32x, cd, and umpteenmillion genesis revisions that bit them in the ass; but I guess its as the saying goes too little, too late
This, but not so much the Genesis revisions.

Sega ruined their reputation, thus sealing their fate. If they had managed to avoid SOME of their blunders, there would've been more consumer confidence and the PS2 would not have distracted from the Dreamcast launch. The things we saw the Dreamcast do were pretty incredible. Imagine what it could've done by the end of its life cycle

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 19:11:25 2013 No.756797

>>756743
They really sabotaged themselves quite a bit, but if Sony hadn't come along to eat their lunch you can bet they would've remained one of the top manufacturers simply due to lack of competition. The Saturn may well have gone on to outsell the N64 due to the CD advantage.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 19:12:54 2013 No.756805 >>756797 It did outsell the N64 in Japan and also in the UK, possibly

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 19:17:24 2013 No.756813

>>756769
The different hardware revisions don't actually affect what's under the hood, except the sound (very slightly). Also, you mean a couple of MEGAhertz, not hertz. It had a pretty big margin on the SNES in CPU power, and the SNES suffered from slowdown a lot more.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 19:22:25 2013 No.756826 youtube.com/watch?v=NdpMv5FjQ5M This video describes the console market share in Japan from 96-07. Don't know what source they uses but it seems pretty interesting. It appears that the Gameboy was what sustained Nintendo through the late 90s...

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 19:29:54 2013 No.756852
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>>756785

>the dreamcast was never reworked and released with different model revisions

segaretro.org/Dreamcast_DVD_Player

What's sad though is that the chairman of Sega since the 80's spent $40 million of his own money to try to keep Sega afloat, died shortly after announcing that they were halting production on the DC, forgave all of Sega's debts to him and left them hist $695 million worth of stock in his will, and the company still went to shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 21:52:55 2013 No.757346 >>755523 >I know seven year olds. Why don't you have a seat right over here, Mr. Evans?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 22:02:55 2013 No.757393 >>756852 That is really, really sad.

Anonymous Sun Jun 2 22:30:55 2013 No.757494

>>756826
>Sony enters the market
>they try to squish the combined efforts of Nintendo, Sega, and others
>Sega has been doing well until 2002
>Nintendo's efforts alone hold off Sony better than they did with other competitors, but is slowly weakening
>Nintendo picks back up in 2005, and has been rapidly gaining ground, almost to squeeze Sony out

Interesting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 2 23:57:56 2013 No.757732 >>756483 Didn't the saturn only really compete with the N64 for about half of the N64's life though?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 00:00:56 2013 No.757742 >>757732 Saturn lasted all of three years. N64 went six.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 00:01:26 2013 No.757746 >>757742 Despite this, the Saturn somehow still had 75% more games in its library

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 00:02:25 2013 No.757750 >>756489 >>756797 Keep in mind, if Sony didn't enter the video game market, we'd still have $100 standard release games. Saturn did it too, as did the Sega CD before it. So there's that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 00:12:25 2013 No.757775 >>757732 In the US, yeah. But it stayed around a lot longer in Japan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 00:12:55 2013 No.757776 >>757750 I'm interested to see this. I can see N64 carts costing more due to cartridges, and Saturn disks cost more due to their proprietary cases that can't be mass produced. Meanwhile the PS1 used standardized CD casings and designs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 02:27:55 2013 No.758087 File: 52 KB, 1293x459, v in 97.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] My favorite.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 05:32:25 2013 No.758638

>>757732
This is correct. Saturn outsold N64 in Japan early on, but by the later part of the gen the N64 was selling faster than the Saturn. It never caught up in terms of total units though.

Also, the Saturn in Japan had the largest number of games sold per console sold out of the three systems, though this was partially due to the greater prevalence of piracy on the PS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 05:33:25 2013 No.758643 >>757746 That's called the magic of CDs. Also, I'm pretty sure it was more like 30%, and a lot of them were really small-time releases.

Anonymous Mon Jun 3 06:14:56 2013 No.758739

>>757742
>>757732
You are thinking solely of the US market. In other regions, Saturn proved to be more successful. Especially in Japan. Sega did not want to release Dreamcast when they did, but Sega of America were insistent on having new hardware to sell as the Saturn had utterly sunk in the American market. They felt it was unsalvageable (and they were probably right) so rather than abandon the US, Sega of Japan began development on Project Katana.

Even with the mistakes of the 32x, if Sega had handled the Saturn correctly, it could've been a successful system. Their failings are just unforgivable. Fucking Bernie Stoller.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 06:36:55 2013 No.758769 >>758739 Even in Japan the Saturn stopped selling well before the Dreamcast came out. The games were still selling, but sales of the system itself had basically slowed to a halt by that point. It was a troubled system even in its best region.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 3 08:24:25 2013 No.758970 >>758769 Is there a source to this? According to http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=NdpMv5FjQ5M the Saturn did reasonably up until the introduction of Dreamcast. It always had a market share larger than the N64 whilst they were both current gen systems.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 00:06:18 2013 No.762056 >>755916 when I was 12 I was lashing out against the idiocy of my peers. I started getting suicidal when I was 13. This....this...."cartoon" is jumping to asinine conclusions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 00:22:18 2013 No.762103 >>755469 The internet is the internet no matter how different it was from them to now, the internet DID exist in '94 different or not. Are you fucking retarded?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 00:34:49 2013 No.762142 >>754865 The explanation for how to use items and when to use them are in the game manual. Even the WiiU has game manuals if you hit the home button and read the operations manual.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 00:38:48 2013 No.762149 File: 68 KB, 639x925, walkthrough.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] something i saw in an old gamefaqs guide and then reposted a million times

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 00:49:19 2013 No.762174 >>755892 >genesis music >disgusting sprites >0.5 FPS with 3 racers on screen

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 01:11:48 2013 No.762246

>>762149
I was just coming into gaming as the phrase "Doom Clone" was finally fading away. It seems that even after "First Person Shooter" became a genre, "Doom Clone" was still being used to refer to a certain kind of FPS, games with more gameplay than story, as it were.

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 01:49:19 2013 No.762389

>>762149
Um... I'm pretty sure Karsten Loepelmann didn't write for GameFAQs, even if it existed in 1994/95.

Also, what am I supposed to be laughing at? I could understand if you'd posted the review quotes, or the part about DF's "great emphasis on solving elaborate puzzles to complete mission objectives".

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 11:25:48 2013 No.763754 >>754449 They had buzzwords! shareware was like "indie" is for todays /v/ how cute

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 11:34:48 2013 No.763775 >>763754 It's not a buzzword. It was used specifically for games that were released partially for free, partially not for free, like Commander Keen and Jetpak and I think Lemmings and Doom? It's hard to remember what started as shareware and what didn't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 11:44:18 2013 No.763803 >>763775 I think most id stuff was shareware. I remember playing through the first episodes of a lot of their games and thinking it was the full game. Never knew what people were talking about when they said Hitler was in Wolfenstein.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 13:44:19 2013 No.764142 >>762389 http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/197046-star-wars-dark-forces/faqs/2031 It's not funny though, it's just interesting reading an old guide and finding a section devoted to something like that. Shit's old yo

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 15:19:49 2013 No.764551

>>756403
>I'm playing through Leisure Suit Larry 2 right now, and let me tell you -- I find myself having to load savegames from 30 minutes ago because of items the game never even hints at existing. The sunscreen, for example. You will NOT know you need it until later in the game when you die from UV radiation while sunbathing -- you're already on a cruise ship so buying the sunscreen isn't something you can just simply do at that point.
>
>That is bullshit.
Would this be considered artificial difficulty?

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 19:15:48 2013 No.765427

>>764551
Yes. Being set up to fail because you didn't know something only a developer could know, with no way to remedy the potential game-ending scenario upon learning the issue and instead having to restart is artificial difficulty.

Mega Man 1 kinda' had this with the Magnet Beam, if you were not curious to either replay Elec Man's stage after beating him and shooting the blocks, or beating Guts Man and attempting to throw the blocks out of the way. If you start Wily's levels without the magnet beam, GAME FUCKING OVER.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 19:39:48 2013 No.765506 >>756707 Wii: Xenoblade Wii U: The Wonderful 101

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 20:02:19 2013 No.765584

>>756707
The Wii's new IP would be the 'Xeno-' series, depending on if you count 'saga' or 'gears' into the equation.

The Wii U has been out for 8 months, and I think people are being incredibly unfair on it right now. NO console has had a fantastic line up within it first year. It's always taken a year or so to get the ball running. if the rumours about the upcoming ND are anything to go by, then it's looking like the one year role will strike again.

On a side note:
I've heard so many people, disenchanted by the lackluster reveals of the PS4 and XBOXONE 'media machines', say they're now saving for a Wii U. It's now becoming a point where consoles are becoming interactive movie machines (the PS brand especially), and I think people are getting tired of it now. It isn't new or innovative any more, and many are realising they just want to play classically constructed videogames, something Ninty does better than the other two major players.

I don't think we should be anywhere near the point of counting the Wii U out yet. It's beginning to look like 'the little machine that could', and, if past trends are accurate, will likely be next gen's underdog.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 20:08:48 2013 No.765601 >>765584 >disenchanted by the lackluster reveals of the PS4 and XBOXONE 'media machines', say they're now saving for a Wii U I've heard the exact opposite from opinions based on the Wii, mostly the huge casual craze will not get them again.

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 20:14:18 2013 No.765617

>>765601
I'm just stating what I've seen a lot of around videogame boards. Personally, I think the XBONE looks quite sleek and sturdy, it's a shame about the DRM and Kinect. As for Sony, I think the crowd they are aiming toward is not a sturdy crowd at all. Specifically the 'let's play' vibe they're giving off with the integrated social network could either live or die at this point. It has no certainty to it.

Either way, the PS4 is looking like a favourite to many right now when it comes to the two heavy hitters. I think it's in Nintendo's best interest to carve their own little niche right now with the Wii U. In the end, it's Nintendo, and Nintendo always do fine in the end. They make games that certain people enjoy playing, and the casual/family gamers will always buy Mario.

It's better they don't get caught under the titanic pissing match going on between Sony and MS. They don't need to, they'll always have loyal customers, so long as they keep doing what they're doing, while adding a little innovation at a time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 20:15:18 2013 No.765620 >>765601 Well, the WiiU sales raised a lot in some places after the Xbox One reveal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 20:16:48 2013 No.765625 File: 428 KB, 680x680, 1365724113399.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>765617 >Personally, I think the XBONE looks quite sleek and sturdy In what ways?

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 20:19:48 2013 No.765631

>>765625
I don't know. Something about it just looks appealing. Maybe it's the monolithic structure, or the thin-slit BR drive. It just looks like a heavy hitter, and the straight, clean edges appeal to my OCD, it just looks like it will fit EVERYWHERE quite snuggly.

Not getting one, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 20:21:48 2013 No.765636 >>765631 It looks like a fucking DVR box. PS4 is a cube. We haven't seen a cube since the GC.

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 20:22:18 2013 No.765643

>>763754
this >>763775
but I'd also like to add that shareware was usually universally looked down apon at the time, since a lot of them were poorly programmed and rip offs of better known games. Not saying that there weren't good shareware games, but teenagers making babby's first computer game and promoting it as the next big shareware title pretty much permanently ruined it's reputation permanently.

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 20:23:18 2013 No.765645

>>765636
Maybe I like the DVR vibe it gives off? Taste's man. Everybody's is different. The important thing is that I 'aint buying one.

I also really fucking hope the PS4 is a cube. That would be even better! The GC was snug as fuck, no matter where you put it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 20:23:48 2013 No.765648 >>754343 He's right you know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 20:26:18 2013 No.765654 >>765584 >>765601 >>765617 >>765620 >>765625 >>765631 >>765636 >>765645 >>>/v/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 20:27:18 2013 No.765659 >>765654 /v/ doesn't like the XBONE. Also, your response is a typical /v/ response, showing us exactly where you just came from. Go look for a lack of intelligent, unbiased discussion elsewhere. Maybe you'll find it in the direction you just pointed me!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 20:29:48 2013 No.765667 >>765659 It doesn't matter if /v/ likes the XBONE or not. It's not retro and it doesn't belong here.

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 20:31:48 2013 No.765674

>>765667
We're discussing the companies and their strategies. What does it matter to you? It came up in, and is relevant to, the thread.

If this discussion is off topic, I'll be banned. Otherwise, we're not hurting you or anybody else in this completely dead thread at the bottom of the board.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 20:33:18 2013 No.765693 >>765674 You're talking about current systems, two of which have yet to come out, on a retro video game board. >>>/v/

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 20:34:49 2013 No.765696

>>765584
>The Wii U has been out for 8 months, and I think people are being incredibly unfair on it right now. NO console has had a fantastic line up within it first year.
Really? Speaking as one of the five people who actually got a Wii U, I thought it was doing particularly badly. I was beginning to think it would be Nintendo's Dreamcast. But then again, Nintendo has been doing better for the last few years than Sega was before the Dreamcast, I think.

>I've heard so many people, disenchanted by the lackluster reveals of the PS4 and XBOXONE 'media machines',
Yes, I have a feeling that they, the XB1 in particular, won't have much to differentiate it with modern-day media-players, media centres and digital TV boxes or whatever, that people will think, "what's the point of buying this TV box over that one?". Those types of "casual" people who are just looking for a few hours diversion or something to keep the kids quiet probably won't miss games much. So maybe Nintendo will carve out a good niche market, as you say, with its dedicated games machine, like the old days.

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 20:40:48 2013 No.765724

>>765696
Hopefully more people see the machine for what it's worth once the games start coming. It was a shame that their launch line up had to be pushed back due to development problems.

Anyway, the party police are here, so I guess we can't discuss this from this point.
>>765693

Anonymous Tue Jun 4 21:07:18 2013 No.765809

>>765636
The NES looks like a VCR, your point? Yamauchi-era Nintendo consoles always had these pronounced, strong design cues to them. With Iwata in charge, they all seem to give off an iProduct vibe, and pretty much are like them. Very limited (no third parties), very weak (previous gen technology), and very expensive (for a box to exclusively play Mario games on).

Maybe it was those old design cues is where Nintendium came from.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 21:16:48 2013 No.765834 >>754343 >1989 >Forum It might be a really early BBS but, dude, those guys were all god tier nerds of course, if that shit is real.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 21:43:18 2013 No.765939 >>754503 I just want more power, My objective is human extinction, I am the prince of this Weraldo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 22:33:18 2013 No.766138 >>764551 Artificial difficulty is a dumb term that technically applies to every videogame ever. "Bullshit" works fine for me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 4 22:37:18 2013 No.766146 Anyone remember the old AOL ANTagonist forums? I feel so old knowing they just vanished into thin air.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 12:55:27 2013 No.768349

>>765834
>of course, if that shit is real.
The USENET archives go all the way back to 1981, so yeah this is 1980's internet about as real as it gets. We're talking about people sitting on terminals connected to shit like VAX 11/780 mainframes here.

Some examples (add tinyurl.com in front, 4chan thinks these are spam)
Here is a post talking about Atari and Intellivision from 1981: /lyaqq66

1982 Frogger review post?: /kuuazaa

net.games.video seems to be the usenet group archive to check out for ancient videogame discussions from the early 80s.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 13:10:49 2013 No.768394
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>>768349
Here is a real slice of history: one of the first examples of console fanboyism EVER on the net, from all the way back in 1982!

The Atari 5200 sticks "beat
Insmellavision and Coleakovision hands down"?

Priceless.

Anonymous Wed Jun 5 17:23:19 2013 No.769367

If you are really an 80s Usenet junkie, you can download an archive of the whole thing from 81-91: http://archive.org/details/utzoo-wiseman-usenet-archive

It's nice to have this raw history available, in addition to the Google Groups interface.

Somewhat OT: the archived Usenet is also an amazing resource for fans of classic anime, as the signal to noise ratio was amazing in the days when anime was still underground, with great discussions on shit like the latest Laserdisc releases, etc. on rec.arts.anime.

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