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[Anonymous No.7470426]

When you really think about it, Kazuya was like a better Ryu
>having a unique character motive
>practice karate that feels like karate in battle

[Anonymous No.7470465]

>>7470426
Is it just me who thinks that most ryu movements are ridiculous?

[Anonymous No.7470616]

>>7470426
Ryu
>fight train man
>stoic
>only wants revenge on Sagat
>always wants a good fight
>friends
>set the generic karate man archetype
>evil ryu which is now just baby Akumer
>always stayed the same

Kazuya
>compelling backstory compared to ryu
>is clone karate man until he wins the tournament
>devil form
>T2 -T4 Kazuya was actually good antihero development
Feels bad. I hope they don’t ruin him in 8

[Anonymous No.7471020]

>>7470426
Kazuya is LITERALLY a edgy Akira and Akira is a more grounded Ryu. When Tekken was made it was made to copy VF not SF.

[Anonymous No.7471034]

>>7471020
>same development team
>plagiarism


Ryu is a bland version of the archetype he and he is based on.

Kazuya can be a little exaggerated but at least it is within the character.

[Anonymous No.7471037]

The switch from babyface to heel in Tekken 2 was the best thing that could happen to Kazuya in the long run.

[Anonymous No.7471046]

>>7471037
>switch
What switch? He was always evil, did you see his T1 ending? He does the same as his father.

[Anonymous No.7471102]

>>7470426
>>having a unique character motive

That being an evil dick whose only thoughts besides revenge are taking over the world?

[Anonymous No.7471158]

having daddy issues makes you cooler? lol

[Anonymous No.7471260]

>what if vegeta was the main character

[Anonymous No.7471270]

>>7470426

The guy said that kazuya is better, he didn't speak ill of street fighter.

Are street fighter fans really autistic?

[Anonymous No.7471363]

>>7471270
Yes, they still play Street Fighter V with a straight face. And that one killed Mike and Gootecks. What is it if not autism?

>>7470426
I know that's the origin and his rivarly with Paul was supposed to be the equivalent to Ryu vs Ken, but nowadays i don't like that comparison. Kazuya became so much fucking more than a generic karate man. His playstyle is also reall unique

[Anonymous No.7471806]

>Generic karate man/DBZ ripoff
turns into
>NO JOHN YOU ARE THE DEMONS
Awful, uninspired, generic, shitty character all around

There's the reason why Ryu is the most iconic fighting game character of all time and this literal who was forgotten by even his own game.

[Anonymous No.7471934]

>>7471046
>what switch
Anon; Heihachi was stomping all the other babyfaces it was time for a change. Kazuya was fresh, has all the tools, was supposed to be the champ till T3Mainia, until Heihachi demanded a rematch

[Anonymous No.7471951]

>>7471806
>Ryu
>iconic
He came first and normies associate him with the “hadoken” guy. He stayed in every game because capcom needs him.

>Remember when my boy Alex, was the star of the show?
People hated that

Kazuya is loved, but the only reason he isn’t on that silly “iconic” tier is because he wasn’t in every game, because he had good writing up until t5, and because T3

[Anonymous No.7471972]

>>7471046
I meant the ending of Tekken 1 was when he turned heel.
>>7471934
Based

[Anonymous No.7472021]

>>7471020

Kazuya is nothing like Akira except for the fact that they're both karatefags and occasionally adorn the covers of their respective games

[Anonymous No.7472028]

>>7471934
Brother, if that ain't backstage politics I don't know what is. Folks'll still tell ya T2Mania was the superior event and there are a lot of 'em.

[Anonymous No.7472420]

>>7472028
>T2maina
Kazuya deserved to retain the strap brother because the kid was pure dimes. The kid was a believable tweener and put on solid matches. Devil gimmick was fresh and we had so many new opponents to challenge his legitimacy as champ.

Paul
>Long time rival
>current record is 1 win, 1 draw definitely needed the big money rubber match

Lee
>another solid rival
>easily works well with everyone
>could tag with Kazuya or be a draw with singles run
>former stablemate of Paul & Law
>could have a damn good feud with Kazuya, Paul, or Heihachi
>hardly any build

Armor king
>Has a good run with king I
>he’s got damn good potential
>fans dig him
>turning face not a bad idea

Jun
>built as a strong babyface
>romance angle ain’t bad
>easily could be a good tag team with Kazuya

Devil & Angel
>you build up this feud with Kazuya chossing which one he wants to tag with
>wins some lose some
>main event is a triple threat
>good vs evil

Heihachi was too selfish, didn’t want to to do the j-o-b, tried to bury people, and didn’t want to feud with other talent.

[Anonymous No.7472435]

>>7471972
He’s a solid in-betweenness with a strong face push. The casuals and smarks love him. He’s got natural charisma and talent to work both. That’s the guy you build your roster around

[Anonymous No.7472524]

>>7471951
this is what delusion looks like

[Anonymous No.7472528]

>>7472524
>delusion
You clearly can’t have any fun whatsoever

[Anonymous No.7472539]

>>7472528
Nice try Kazuya

[Anonymous No.7472764]

>>7472539
You can’t stop me, Dad

[Anonymous No.7473249]

>>7471102
Kazuya was thrown off a cliff as a child by his father to either survive and come back or die, he was turned into an animal essentially.

[Anonymous No.7473296]

Best to worst franchises:
Tekken
Mortal Kombat
DBZ and Naruto fighting games
Street Fighter
Soulcalibur
Virtua Fighter

I don't know where to rank DoA, those games are more porn than fighting

[Anonymous No.7473324]

As much as I love T3. Jin was a charisma hole compared to Kazuya. Also Ogre was a terrible villain and killing Jun was fucking stupid. I stopped following the story after this game (yeah, I know, who follow fighting game stories).

[Anonymous No.7473352]

>>7473296
What a brainlet post.

[Anonymous No.7473736]

>>7473324
Jin was never over

[Anonymous No.7474275]

>>7473324
Jin suck

[Anonymous No.7474506]

>>7472021
>white kimono wearing karate dude with spiky hair
>nothing like Akira
Both games were designed by the same person.

[Anonymous No.7474509]

>>7473296
Almost correct, but Toribash should be above Tekken

[Anonymous No.7474681]

>>7473296
imagine being this much of a retarded clueless casual

[Anonymous No.7474741]

>>7474506

That's not a kimono lol.

You're talking about Seiichi Ishii, but VF and Tekken are very different games other than the fact that they're both based around 3D limb combat. Kazuya and Akira are completely dissimilar in their play style and character.

[Anonymous No.7474754]

>>7473296

SF > VF > Tekken > KOF > Smash > Marvel > SC > SS > FF > DS > everything else

[Anonymous No.7474790]

>>7472420
As always, JR, you bring up some great points and I can't argue against any of them, but I gotta point out that Heihachi drew some stupid good numbers, numbers this industry has rarely seen while Kaz was out on injuries.

They didn't clash again until T4Mania but that main event scene opened into a 3-way and cold killed Paul, Lee and Armor King's pushes. Oh, my brother, what we could have seen. We didn't get a clear rematch between these two titans until T7Mania and it wasn't even for a title. Too little, too late?

[Anonymous No.7474915]

>>7474741
>That's not a kimono lol.
I'm not a weeb so be thankful I didn't call it a pajama.

[Anonymous No.7474920]

3D fighting games power rankings

Bloody Roar > Soulcalibur > Virtua Fighter > Power Stone > Psychic Force > Fighting Vipers > Tobal > Kakuto Chojin > DoA > Ehrgeiz > Tekken > KoF: Maximum Impact > Fighters Impact > MK (3D era) > Mace the Dark Age > Battle Arena Toshinden > Kensei: Sacred Fist > Sonic the Fighters > War Gods > Tao Feng > Masters of Teras Kasi > Criticom > Balls 3D

[Anonymous No.7475268]

>>7474920
>Bloody Roar
Try hard(or disgusting furshit or BOTH) spotted.

[Anonymous No.7475992]

>>7475268
Im sorry you got filtered, anon.

[Anonymous No.7476776]

>>7474275
They tried to artifically push Jin but he was never over with the smarks of the WWE Universe.

[Anonymous No.7476796]

>>7474790
I feel that Kazuya and Heihachi were in no doubt the top babyface and heel at the time. Each of then trading wins and losses and having the blowoff match should have been at T3Mainia.

However, Heihachi was too stubborn to put over Kazuya clean. He nearly buried the other talent and we had to rebuild new talent when Kazuya went in injury.

Paul
>damn good worker
>finally got his big due
>beat our newest heel Ogre
>he was over
>but the creative sucked and he got lost

Jin
>This is a real blue-chipper bah gawd
>he’s too green and needs more time
>gets an upset over true ogre
>forced pushed wasn’t organic or well received


Lee
>injury to working with Kazuya & Heihachi killed his push

Armor King
>booking dropped this ball on this kid.
>creative buried him
>leaves the promotion

Heihachi
>still didn’t want to put over talent
>basically wanted to bury our faces
>barely put over Jin and Ogre
>still too stubborn

T3Mainia wasn’t and the roster got a lot of young talent like Bryan, Gon, Eddy, and Xiao, but we didn’t have a top guy. Only workhorses.

Fans want someone they can get behind, but this new “Ruthless Aggrrssion” era of superstars needed more time to grow

[Anonymous No.7476803]

>>7475992
It's easy as only furshits play it.

[Anonymous No.7477025]

>>7476776
You marks always knew Jin was just a shitty version on Kazuya and saw right through the gimmick

Jin was popular due to the casual fan

[Anonymous No.7477353]

Kazuya is not the Ryu of Tekken.
The more apt comparison is Ryu and Jin, the latter of which is much cooler in every way (which reflects their series nicely as well)

[Anonymous No.7478528]

>>7476803
your thinking of tekken