/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7466240]

Dinosaur Planet is 64 Megabytes of Soul.

[Anonymous No.7466324]

I never got past the Gas Chamber, so seeing this area all loaded in is cool

[Anonymous No.7466617]

>>7466240
Can some one tell me if this is the whole game? or is it just a bunch of disconnected maps?

[Anonymous No.7466675]

>>7466240
The n64 was really that powerful?!?!? Absolutely beautiful.

[Anonymous No.7466705]

>>7466617
It's fractured and disjointed and some sections are unfinished, but the game is all there in some form from the opening sequences the Drakor boss. But to make it properly playable from start to what passes for the end of the game, work is needed. (Which is why decompilation is already in process.)

[Anonymous No.7466714]

The Kamerian Heart is present in the game. This is a major plot element in Dinosaur Planet that, along with Drakor being a Kamerian and the actual villain of the story (unless you count the Krazoa), was cut. But nobody is sure how it is accessed. To play the game properly, it needs to be played in order. And/or we need to understand the status flags well enough to control progression. A lot of stuff in the game just doesn't work without the correct flags being set.

[Anonymous No.7466720]

This is what it looks like when the cover is removed. There's a partially resurrected Kamerian Dragon inside.

[Anonymous No.7467102]

>>7466675
Yes it was. It could load huge scenery its just there was tricks due to load speeds being slow out fog.

[Anonymous No.7467210]

How do I stop falling into the void after Galadon?

[Anonymous No.7467260]

>>7467210
Skip the cutscene, I think.

[Anonymous No.7467287]

>>7467260
How do I skip cutscenes?

[Anonymous No.7467301]

>>7467287
L button usually does it.

[Anonymous No.7467319]

>>7466705
These autists are working fast holy shit

[Anonymous No.7467337]

>>7467301
I'm back outside the mines, but I don't seem to have the spellstone.

[Anonymous No.7467358]

>>7467337
Likely the script is broken.

[Anonymous No.7467360]

>>7467319
That guy's been working on file loader stuff for the DP leftovers in the SFA kiosk demo for a few years. Professional dev that works at Ubisoft. He's been lending his expertise to the people currently working on pulling the game apart.

[Anonymous No.7467372]

>>7466324
Are you jewish?

[Anonymous No.7467584]

>>7467210
Theres a code to reload and teleport.

Also maybe saving the game and reloading might take you somewhere different.

[Anonymous No.7467610]

>>7466720
neat

[Anonymous No.7467616]

>>7466705
so this is everything?

[Anonymous No.7467618]

>>7466240
Just a shame that it wasn't released for the Nigtendo 64. Kid me would have probably enjoyed one last platformer before going all in on FPS, RTS, and fighting games up until very recently.

[Anonymous No.7467635]

>>7467337
That is correct. The spellstone somehow teleports all the way to the front of the place with another character. i managed to activate it but I have no idea how and I'll have to retract my steps. I first noticed because he was underground for no reason with the spellstone floating above his head.

I when my external hdd gets here then I'll make more recordings. Likely entire segments I'll start uploading. Hopefully it'll start helping people. I don't care who uses my videos and I'll always say that when I upload something I think will be useful

[Anonymous No.7467647]

>>7467635
Do you have any clue what to do after the spellstone? I see a lot of people heading directly to Volcano Force Point Temple but the game still crashes a ton, but I've also noticed the game likes to crash a lot when stuff is done out of order. Geruda Te said the Thorntails would help and one of them seems to have new dialogue about The SharpClaws draining their river. Tricky seems to be able to burn the vines near the SwapStone and there's places to dig, only now I can't feed him blue mushrooms to be able to dig.

[Anonymous No.7467649]

>>7467647
It's actually a pain in the ass to do anything in that area as fox. I'm also almost sure that spellstone is considered one of the last ones by the game. Something made things out of order somehow.

[Anonymous No.7467653]

>>7467649
Discovery Falls seems to be the first area as Krystal.
DarkIce Mines seems to be the first area as Sabre/Fox. It's also one of the first areas in Star Fox Adventures, so makes sense. Geruda Te mentioned the ThornTails, seems odd to go down the river to Diamond Bay without doing anything involving them first. They seem to need help with something, and digging in these burrows seems likely, I just can't seem to feed Tricky any blue mushrooms to continue.

[Anonymous No.7467654]

>>7467653
The actual cutscenes go in that order. But if you do even a single thing out of order or miss something then things start to break with needing extra steps to correct them s what I mean

[Anonymous No.7467657]

>>7467654
Exactly which is why I'm thinking people are missing something when they head straight for Volcano Force Point Temple right out of DarkIce Mines.

[Anonymous No.7467659]

Who activates krystal's first spellstone? Mine doesn't have that icon fox's has when it's activated.

[Anonymous No.7467667]

cant wait to play this when its finished.

[Anonymous No.7467679]

>>7467667
Some of us have awaited it for 20 years.

[Anonymous No.7467694]

>>7466240
Honestly, what damaged the game the most wasn't the Star Fox conversion. It wasn't even the switch to GameCube. It was the loomimg Microsoft buyout. Don't forget, Microsoft literally bought Rare a mere day after the original release date. One DAY. And that's just the North American release - by the time it released in other regions, Rare was already bought out. That's cutting it close if I ever saw it. So the next time you blame the choppy gameplay, stilted story, stock sounds, etc. on anything, remember that Microsoft caused the rushed development, not the IP nor the console.

[Anonymous No.7467702]

>>7467653
try getting the grub bag

[Anonymous No.7467706]

>>7467702
The "Small Mushroom Bag"? I have that, but I'm not sure what I can do with it.

[Anonymous No.7467707]

>>7467694
I mean had it not been for the IP rebrand it probably would have sped up the MS buyout meaning they would have got everything fixed up and finished within the 3-4 months it would have took to hit a Q1 2001 dead line and possibly still hit an N64 release or it probably would have ended up being reworked for the Xbox

[Anonymous No.7467713]

>>7467694
I personally think that Nintendo becoming the publisher probably had a negative impact. Remember that Nintendo refused to publish several Rare titles in part because of their content. Pretty much all the mature and dark stuff from DP went bye-bye in the SFA conversion.

As for stock sounds, Rare fucking loved stock sounds.

[Anonymous No.7467719]

>>7467694
I still can't believe nintendo didn't buy out the developer that made half of the top10 best selling N64 games

[Anonymous No.7467748]

>>7467653
my personal guess is the river is supposed to be blocked up when you come back from DarkIce, so you unblock it, a log spawns near the obelisk thing and you use that to go down to diamond bay

[Anonymous No.7467764]

>>7467719
Nintendo wasn't exactly on a streak of good decisions. Both the n64 and gcn suffered. Reminder that gen was carried by gba and ds. Wii was gonna be their last console if it failed.

[Anonymous No.7467806]

>>7467764
>Wii was gonna be their last console if it failed.
You had me until that one, nice fanfic.

[Anonymous No.7467809]

[Anonymous No.7467819]

>>7467809
Krystal looks like she's been playing with the hair dryer again.

[Anonymous No.7467843]

>>7467713
>I personally think that Nintendo becoming the publisher probably had a negative impact...Pretty much all the mature and dark stuff from DP went bye-bye in the SFA conversion.
Ironically, Nintendo allowed Namco to make Star Fox Assault darker than Dinosaur Planet ever was, where the melodrama was bumped up to almost comedic degrees, paving the way for Command's ridiculousness.
>Remember that Nintendo refused to publish several Rare titles in part because of their content.
Not too many for Nintendo 64, just Jet Force Gemini, Perfect Dark and Conker; games like Goldeneye and Killer Instinct were still published by Nintendo.
>As for stock sounds, Rare fucking loved stock sounds.
Never to that extent though.

[Anonymous No.7467890]

>>7467809
kinosaur planet

[Anonymous No.7467936]

>>7467843
>Fox shoots down a mind controlled General Pepper and Peppy kamikazes the bad guy's shield generator while the great fox gets eaten alive by bugs
What a weird direction they went in.

[Anonymous No.7468035]

>>7467694
I agree (though I'd also put the blame on othet potential buyers putting pressure like Activision, not just Microsoft). If Rare maybe had another year or even a few more months of development time, they wouldn't have been as compelled to cut significant story elements and been able to iron out more of the kinks. I think this N64 build might've happened just before Rare was getting serious offers, because although work on Fox just began, they also started to modify the story to make sense of his inclusion. I think if there was more time, Rare would've felt comfortable enough to keep the game as "Star Fox Adventures: Dinosaur Planet" or "Dinosaur Planet: Guest Starring Fox McCloud" to give the impression it's more of a crossover or spinoff than a mainline Star Fox game, which hurt reception most I feel. This might've even had an affect on Assault, which would've released too soon after Adventures and could've used more time to fix the on-foot gameplay and add trademark branching paths.

[Anonymous No.7468223]

>>7466240
Playing this on my shitty laptop and its making me want to play sfa again. I love how this is like a further dive into this world. Also, pretty hardcore when that friendly dinosaur dies in the beginning and turns into a powerup, I dont remember any good guys dying like that, if at all, in sfa.

[Anonymous No.7468231]

>>7468223
Also. I somehow fucked up getting the flame spell and had to restart. Before I did I kept talking to this dude and he kept giving me a green crystal. Whats up with that?

[Anonymous No.7468236]

>>7468223
>>7468231
Are you aware that your laptop can take screenshots, and that you could also be rotating the pictures you're taking of your screen to not be sideways?

[Anonymous No.7468239]

>>7467372
topkek

[Anonymous No.7468245]

>>7468236
Using anything other then my emulator will fuck up the game. Please enjoy the following.

[Anonymous No.7468247]

>>7468245
Project 64 huh?

[Anonymous No.7468269]

>>7468247
Yeah. I read the readme that said using the graphics plugin other then default was better but then crystal was half loaded so I switched back. Im really curious wtf randorn gave me when he gave me that green crystal. Couldnt get him to do it again. Now im on Sabre right now

[Anonymous No.7468273]

>>7468269
A google doc from an earlier thread I should of said. Not "the readme"

[Anonymous No.7468274]

>>7468269
Just use Mupen64Plus. PJ64 is a meme emulator only used by certain ROM hacks that require it because of its inaccuracies and people who remember using it a decade ago with ZSNES.

https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/M64p

[Anonymous No.7468282]

>>7468274
Zsnes isnt good anymore?

[Anonymous No.7468286]

>>7468274
Also thanks. Im gonna mess with this until it crashes then switch to mupen. Stoked to know it can run better. Exploring a historic lost piece of media is clouding out how bad its running. Im having a blast

[Anonymous No.7468291]

>>7468269
PrtSc button copies a shot of the current screen to clipboard and you can post it into paint. Might need to do an alt or ctrl button combo depending on your keyboard layout.

[Anonymous No.7468293]

>>7468286
Speak of the devil

[Anonymous No.7468297]

it can run better in project 64 by using angrylion, if you're in the minority like myself where mupen has this game running at sub10 fps.
just throwing it out there.

[Anonymous No.7468301]

>>7468291
Im a fat thirty year old man playing n64 games and chain smoking.

[Anonymous No.7468304]

>>7468282
ZSNES is good on winter nights when you just want to watch the snow fall.

[Anonymous No.7468307]

>>7468304
Soul

[Anonymous No.7468310]

>>7468304
You can just use ZMZ for that. ZSNES UI, whatever accurate emulation core you want, not even restricted to SNES.

[Anonymous No.7468321]

>>7468297
Im going to try using this. Mupen 64plus doesnt come with a gui and Im lazy

[Anonymous No.7468327]

>>7468321
https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/M64p

It's honestly shocking how fucking stupid some of you are when it comes to emulation on the board for retro video games.

[Anonymous No.7468329]

>>7468327
Nice.

[Anonymous No.7468342]

>>7468327
The funny part is that's what was linked the first time.

[Anonymous No.7468345]

>>7468342
I didn't trust him at first so I just googled mupen64plus. Im sorry.

[Anonymous No.7468347]

>>7468345
THE EMULATION WIKI HAS BEEN STICKIED SINCE THIS BOARD WAS MADE

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GOOGLING EMULATORS FOR

EXCUSE ME?????

[Anonymous No.7468353]

>>7468347
Can we still be frens?

[Anonymous No.7468375]

>>7468310
Does it have Rewind function?

[Anonymous No.7468382]

>>7468375
Yes.

[Anonymous No.7468398]

Just finished the speeder section. The arrangement of things unfolding is alot different. I mainly remember thorntail hollow, so im dying to see it. Is the shopkeeper there?

[Anonymous No.7468402]

>>7468353
I guess so.

[Anonymous No.7468404]

>>7468398
Yes, he's under the warpstone in this version.

[Anonymous No.7468407]

>>7468398
You're just fucking with us at this point aren't you

[Anonymous No.7468413]

>>7468407
All my controls and shit are setup in p64. Ill switch later on. Just dicking around in this rom right now. Funny though I wondered if someone would call me out for it

[Anonymous No.7468416]

>>7467719
The Stamper brothers were already talking about leaving the company and a few key members had already left to form Free Radical Design (specifically David Doak and Steve Ellis from the 007, Perfect Dark team) Nintendo saw the company was going through major changes and got out while the going was good.

People say it was a bad decision on Nintendos part when in fact if you dig a little deeper it was a wise one given the current shift in the company.

[Anonymous No.7468429]

>>7467719
At the time the Stamper brothers were already talking about leaving the company and a few key members had already left to form Free Radical Design (specifically David Doak and Steve Ellis from the 007, Perfect Dark team) Nintendo saw the company was going through major changes and becoming something different so got out while the going was good.

People say it was a bad decision on Nintendos part when in fact if you dig a little deeper it was a wise one given the current shift in the company.

[Anonymous No.7468441]

>>7468310
Is there a NESticle version of this?

[Anonymous No.7468458]

>>7468441
Not that I know of.

[Anonymous No.7468878]

Laptop anon here. Mupen didnt seem to run as well as p64. I tried that other graphics plugin another anon suggested..it looked great but ran like shit. So I plodded on using p64. I got Trickys mom sorted out and tried swimming down the falls 3 or 4 times, crashed every time so Im calling it a day for now. My biggest mystery of today is the green emerald that dude kept handing me in the beginning as Krystal. Every time I talked to him he would hand me this green emerald, and at the time I was bugged and had for some reason not received the fire spell. Since I was locked I restarted, having progressed beyond that point and using the blue gem I had gotten using the fire power (gained after having restarted) my mind wanders as to if something would of happened if I used that green gem. Either way it makes me curious.

[Anonymous No.7468924]

>>7468878
*this dude being Randorn

[Anonymous No.7468987]

>>7466240
Alright, so having played what I've been able to and looking through videos of people glitching around to make progress, it seems to me like most of this game actually made it into Star Fox Adventures. Like sure, the story received some tweaks, you barely play as Krystal and a couple of areas were removed but it really doesn't seem like it's that much more different than any other game differs from the early versions. If anything, SFA is more like DP than Half-Life 2 is like the early versions of itself.

Let's be real, let's pretend the game was never reworked into a Star Fox game, what changes? Considering the devlopment would still have been moved to Gamecube, most of the cut content would still have been cut. Here's the potential differences between SFA and a Gamecube DP:
>No Arwing stages (obviously)
>Sabre and the Swap mechanic might have remained
>Drakor Boss fight would have been at the end and maybe better than in SFA
>The cut areas might still have been around but probably not.

That's it, in terms of gameplay it would essentially be the same. Story elements like Randorn might have remained but the story is generally the same in SFA as in DP. In DP it's Drakor who tricks Scales and in SFA it's Andross, that's kind of it.

Are we really going to pretend SFA is drastically different from DP when the reality just doesn't back it up? Like yeah, sucks that Rare was forced to insert an established character for marketing purposes but it's not like DP was replaced by a totally different game.

[Anonymous No.7469003]

>>7468987
Ah yes because time-travel, the majestic 8, Krazoa-Dragon war the Planet being born from the remains of a dead dragon going into the fact krystal's parents were killed in a genocidal massacre are all things that made it into retail SFA

[Anonymous No.7469005]

[Anonymous No.7469024]

>>7469003
>krystal's parents were killed in a genocidal massacre
Well, that part did still make it.

[Anonymous No.7469046]

>>7469003
Please spoonfeed me this DP lore. I feel like the more I know about this beta, the more I will undetstand the world of Dinosaur Planet/Sauria better, and that makes me feel super immersed in this world.

[Anonymous No.7469051]

>>7469046
And amps up my enjoyment playing through SFA again

[Anonymous No.7469058]

>>7469003
Backstory, not story, keep that distinction in mind. In terms of the actual plot that unfolds in DP and SFA, how many differences are there? Krystal is trapped, Drakor is just some mutant, Andross takes his place, and the Fortresses have been knocked into orbit around the planet. That's it.

And I was primarily pointing out gameplay aspect. If I somehow missed that less than 60% of the areas, spells, puzzles, combat, enemies, bosses, items and mechanics made it into the final version, feel free to point it out. But if I had to make an estimate, SFA contains at least 75% of what we see in this leaked build, maybe even more. A 25% difference, or even a 40%, isn't that uncommon in game development.

[Anonymous No.7469082]

>>7469058
Starfox is a cool guy

[Anonymous No.7469089]

>>7469058
Well krystal puzzles would have been cut or severely reworked seeing as tricky can't fly in addition the (for the most part) loadless transition between maps is much nicer than how SFA handles maps changes as well as more than likely an actual scales boss and the kamerian heart boss. (Story doc says we have a fight with scales and we see hints of it in the rom no one's gotten the correct triggers yet though)

And while I know this is more story based again but the darker tone in DP in my opinion is nicer than the tone in the retail game.

[Anonymous No.7469094]

>>7469046
>Krystal, Sabre and Randorn are from a planet called Animus.
>Randorn is Sabre's father and they're from a Wolf tribe.
>Krystal is from a Fox tribe and was adopted by Randorn after a gemocide.
>They somehow ended up on Sauria (yes, the name wasn't an invention of Assault).
>The Krazoa were the enemies of Dragon Gods, among them Drakor.
>The Krazoa create Sauria after defeating the Dragons.
>The Krazoa have disappeared and Drakor seeks out Scales to help him.
>Drakor intends to destroy several planets, including Sauria, Animus and oddly enough Earth.

It seems that the early retool of into a Star Fox game doesn't change much. It replaced Animus with Corneria and Fox is obviously not related to Randorn. Interestingly though, it appears that instead of overhauling the story to fit Star Fox, it instead retcons Fox's backstory by making Randorn a friend of James and Fox himself a knight.

[Anonymous No.7469095]

>>7469089
I cant believe that dinosaur died in the beginning

[Anonymous No.7469104]

>>7469094
Why is Drakor a dick and whats up with this magestic 8 shit? Who are the krazoa/ why did they fight with the dinos? So many questions

[Anonymous No.7469105]

>>7469046
I mean there's a condensed story doc plus about an hours worth of dialogue which should give you a decent idea on the old lore. Although we have about an hour from this rom which seems to be the start of the majestic 8/star fox implementation re-writes and the dialogue leftover in the kiosk demo which is later down the line of re-writes seeming to go more for krazoa bad as true bad guys from what I can tell

[Anonymous No.7469109]

>>7469094
*why did the krazoa fight the dragon people. Who ARE the dragon people?

[Anonymous No.7469114]

>>7469095
I mean scales straight up executes queen cloud runner in this build of the game.

[Anonymous No.7469117]

>>7469105
Where can I find this story doc?? Also thank you all for the info. Im really enjoying this stuff

[Anonymous No.7469125]

>>7469114
Wot. I only got as far as healing Trickys mom. Then I kept crashing messing with the waterfall. Truth be told in SFA ive only ever gotten as far as just past the ice part. Im playing again now that all this leak stuff happened

[Anonymous No.7469142]

>>7469109
Dragon people are from a planet called Kameria (one of the majestic 8 planets along with animus earth corneria sauria and some others)
Why do the Krazoa fight them? The beings the Krazoa worship are dicks
Why is drakor a dick? His people were killed in a war between them and the Krazoa. His main plan was to revive the Kamerian heart (pic related) and when Fox/Saber destroys the Kamerian heart his plans switch to destroying the planet (presumably that was also what he wanted to revive the heart for as well?) to I assume prevent the return of the Krazoa/the spirits that they worshiped.

[Anonymous No.7469150]

>>7469117
https://rarethief.com/dinosaur-planet/

[Anonymous No.7469157]

>>7469142
So Drakor is fighting to stop an evil it sounds? The krazoa were like demon worshippers? But then again without the war the planet would of never formed?
My brain is fried

[Anonymous No.7469160]

>>7469125
https://youtu.be/xGKXRjzzS5o
About 14 minutes in.

[Anonymous No.7469161]

>>7469150
Thank you. Diving in

[Anonymous No.7469163]

>>7469160
Damn.

[Anonymous No.7469261]

>>7469150
This is great! Where did they get this information from?

[Anonymous No.7469282]

>>7469089
A fight with Scales was planned at some point in Adventures (or at the very least, seemed possible at one point).
https://tcrf.net/Star_Fox_Adventures/Unused_Voice_Clips#Scales_vs._Fox.2FFalco

[Anonymous No.7469289]

>>7466240
Yiff in hell also things that killed star fox thread

[Anonymous No.7469291]

>>7466675
With the Expansion Pak (aka, cheating), yes.

[Anonymous No.7469308]

>>7469289
When I was a kid and it came out, I was like..Wheres the star fox? But playing around with it again I can really appreciate this world that came to be. Shaped by spirit, imagination, and fate and spat out into a world not ready for it. SFA is a good game.

[Anonymous No.7469323]

I found a link to a lot of old media before rare's website of old stuff went down from e3. times.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/yog0yzokddz/Dinosaur_Planet_Media.zip/file

There are some links that are dead now but this one has versions of the tracks you can't really get anymore that were for promotion.

[Anonymous No.7469327]

>>7467372
gave me a chuckle

[Anonymous No.7469338]

>>7469323
This is great stuff

[Anonymous No.7469339]

>>7469289
From my point of view, this realm IS Hell. So, where's the yiffing?

[Anonymous No.7469340]

>>7469339
The in the closet with the furries who posted that and 40k for 8+ years.
Meme masking was never a good cope

[Anonymous No.7469348]

>>7469340
Im not a furry, but I would fuck a woman in a fur suit.

[Anonymous No.7469354]

>blocks ur path

[Anonymous No.7469361]

>>7469354
Tried so hard to get past him. Also I lol'd hard when I gave the well some scarabs for a hint and all I got in return was "Watch this..mmm

Mmm"

[Anonymous No.7469365]

>>7469361
I'm sure it's supposed to give a hint but it doesn't even take away a scarab anyways. Reminds me of this out of context.

[Anonymous No.7469403]

>>7469365
Hahaha

[Anonymous No.7469413]

>>7469365
This post made me lol for real

[Anonymous No.7469469]

>fuckin around in vr for a little bit while I listen to dp music thinking about what microsoft is doing with rare these days
>see birdy and tediz helmet in the decor menu on microsoft's defaults
At least they know they still know the ips exist I guess.

[Anonymous No.7469556]

>>7467372

[Anonymous No.7469696]

>>7469024
But not by her adoptive father.

[Anonymous No.7469697]

>>7469157
probably a case of "both sides are cunts and we need to get rid of them"

[Anonymous No.7469715]

>>7468987
That's like saying most of Justice League made it into the Whedon Cut. It's all the characters and dialogue they cut out, and the goofy as fuck additiona that derail everything. The alignment of the 8 is gone. Princess Kite is gone. Randorn is gone. The themes of furry racism are mostly gone. The sinister (and condescending) as fuck spirits are either gone or have all their dialogue removed.

By removing Randorn, the player has absolutely no reason to believe the Krazoa have changed. If Krystal can believe in Randorn, she can believe in the Krazoa. Because of these changes there is a cascading narrative and tone problem that permeates SFA. The central theme of DP is reconciliation. Lot of The Dark Crystal influence there. What is the central theme of SFA? Something, something, garbled distress symbol, something, Andross was behind everything.

[Anonymous No.7469726]

>>7469469
The whole time i never knew birdie was made of corn

[Anonymous No.7469731]

>>7469715
How did Krystal even get to Dinosaur Planet? How did she know how to speak Dinosaur? Why did she have no clothes?

[Anonymous No.7469771]

>>7469715
>That's like saying most of Justice League made it into the Whedon Cut.
It did. The Snyder Cut isn't twice as long because two hours' worth of movie was cut out, it's longer because they filmed new footage. And once again, I wasn't primarily talking about the plot, I was talking about the gameplay content.

[Anonymous No.7469781]

This 16 year old girl fell in your hole and says she's softlocked

what do you do?

[Anonymous No.7469809]

>>7466240
omg fan art is "sooo good" artists ahve so sosoo much tale-

[Anonymous No.7469820]

>>7469809
once you spot one flaw the whole pic starts looking like shit
i can see what the artist is bad at and now it shows up everywhere

[Anonymous No.7469827]

>>7469809
You wanted to complain about some unconnected lines so badly that you had to post about it in a tangentially related thread?

[Anonymous No.7469834]

>>7469827
ya get the og artist in here so we can assault their morale

[Anonymous No.7469841]

>>7469781
hit f7

[Anonymous No.7469850]

>>7469771
Only 5 minutes of new footage were shot for the Snyder Cut. Everything else was shot back in 2016. Dinosaur Planet is a much bigger, more expansive, and narratively complex game than SFA, even in its unfinished state. Partially because SFA is padded to hell and back with bullshit.

And of course the gameplay is largely the same. Although DP doesn't open with ten minutes of running back and forth carrying barrels. Dinosaur Planet/Star Fox Adventures is a story-driven game. If the story is shit the entire house of cards falls down.

[Anonymous No.7469852]

>>7469841
nothing happened????

[Anonymous No.7469868]

>>7469715
>Muh Themes!
I bet you're one of those people who complain about Half-Life 2's story being different what it originally was? Or maybe you're mad that Bioshock isn't about fighting bugmen in Russian tunnels? Or perhaps you don't like that we got Pikmin instead of 128 Marios running around on the same screen?

Multiple characters talk about their failures setting things right throughout the finished game, the Krazoa were believed because they were necessary in putting the planet back together (and to save Krystal). The only signifigant downgrade here is that Fox has no personal stakes in this and is mainly concerned about getting money to repair the Great Fox.

Games change in development and the version of the story without Fox isn't that much better. Stop being a retard and stop pretending we missed out on some masterpiece because the final product has a (potentially) worse story.

[Anonymous No.7469872]

>>7469868
didn't read

[Anonymous No.7469875]

>>7469868
>and stop pretending we missed out on some masterpiece because the final product has a (potentially) worse story.
I agree, we're short selling the GCN game which had some awesome stuff to it, like Rare's first use of their proprietary fur shader.

[Anonymous No.7469889]

>>7469875
A shame the game got rushed. You could easily tell when an area was not even half finished in sfa. Quality was all over the place.

Conker looked good the whole time though. Still looks better overall than most newer gen games.

[Anonymous No.7469896]

>>7469889
Aside from the resolution it's running at, it looks better than 3/4 of 360 games.

[Anonymous No.7469902]

>>7469896
When you play it on modern xboxes it can go higher resolutions. Only has some minor bugs like invisible loading screens.

[Anonymous No.7469924]

>>7469868
Dinosaur Planet -> Star Fox Adventures is more like Crysis, where 1/2 of the missions were removed, 1/2 of the characters were removed, and the entire third act of the story was removed. Star Fox Adventures is a disjointed game where none of the character motivations make sense because they're copypasted versions of DP characters without the context and motivation of DP. The central conflict in DP is between the Krazoa and the Kamerians. I don't think you understand the plot of DP in the slightest. Krystal's motivations don't make sense in SFA. The Kamerians don't make sense. Tricky doesn't make sense. Princess Kyte, a major character, was turned into a "This is how you press A" tutorial prompt. Randorn was completely removed. The villain of the story, Drakor had all his dialogue removed. Where did General Scales get all that fancy technology in SFA? Who the fuck knows. Well in DP he got it from Drakor. Why is Dinosaur Planet's magic supply being fucked with? The answer is simple. Drakor is attempting to resurrect the Kamerians, his people.

SFA is a completely incoherent game narratively. It is so cut down and disjointed that there's a scene where Fox tells Tricky off for doing a bad thing he did in a cutscene they removed. SFA is DP put through a Nintendo retard filter. It's basically what happened to Kameo, too, where the game was in development since the late 90s and kept changing, and eventually they were forced to disguise her as an elf because MS's focus testers didn't like the idea of playing as a fairy, and stuff like that. DP is narratively and tonally and thematically one of Rare's best games. It would have been regarded (and is going to be retroactively regarded) as one of the greatest games of the 5th generation.

[Anonymous No.7469930]

>>7469875
It's funny you use Conker as an example, because while it has better gameplay, literally everything else about Conker: Live and Reloaded is worse than the N64 version. Conker can't emote properly, multiple major cutscenes are clearly unfinished because characters just freeze in place instead of walking off frame, and there are even scenes where characters have incorrect facial expressions. Plus the entire glass of milk+Clockwork Orange motif that permeates the Panther King+Conker himself is completely broken because he has a goblet for some reason with no milk in it.

[Anonymous No.7469931]

>>7469852
Archive

[Anonymous No.7469937]

>>7469094
Oddly enough Sabre's tribe was the Wolfen tribe, coincidentally a name in the Star Fox series, and Krystal's tribe was the Vixens, presumably Amazonesque.
>>7469261
I think RareMinion was a disgruntled ex-employee or at least a friend of one.

[Anonymous No.7469945]

>>7469937
>Krystal's tribe was the Vixens, presumably Amazonesque.
Vixon tripe, actually. They're a tribe of foxes. The wolves and the foxes had a conflict and Randorn's son (Sabre's brother) was killed in the fighting. Randorn went a bit crazy, abandoned Sabre, and wandered around killing Vixon wherever he stumbled across them.

[Anonymous No.7469958]

>>7469931
OWO

[Anonymous No.7469976]

>>7469930
A lot of the modern games had good things in one department but downgrades in others. And minor details that just pissed people off because of a lack of attention to detail. Something like the uzis vs 1 smg in the heist story mission before the final bosses was way cooler on n64. But the environments and stuff were so much better on xbox.

[Anonymous No.7469993]

>>7469976
Games got harder to make.

[Anonymous No.7470160]

>>7467372
Probably just a furry

[Anonymous No.7470207]

This game refers to so many items as alpine root

[Anonymous No.7470269]

>>7469809
I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.7470371]

>>7466240
which n64 emulator has the best debugger? i've only done NES hacking but now I want to fuck with this game

[Anonymous No.7470372]

>>7470371
pj64 and bizhawk are what I'm using a combo of for my chopping blocks. For other things mupen64

[Anonymous No.7470490]

>>7469731
You mean in DP or SFA?
Because DP she got to the planet via a magic portal from Randorn. Dinosaur speak is all but non existent in SFA (I think theres one that uses the dinosaur language and that's that mutated fucker in the end game) and Krystal does have clothes in DP

[Anonymous No.7470505]

>>7470490
I'm very obviously talking about the plotholes regarding Krystals very presence in SFA.
She's the sole survivor a planetwide disaster. How'd she even get to Dinosaur Planet? Where's her ship? Why does she have to hitch a ride on the sharpclaw shuttle and then hitch a ride with fox at the end of the game? How does she know the dinosaur language (which is nonexistant in Dinosaur Planet but very much a thing in SFA during the first few hours until Slippy cooks up a translator)? Why is she running around with no clothes? Surely a visitor from a civilized planet would be wearing more than a chest wrap and loincloth.

[Anonymous No.7470551]

worst game best arwing

[Anonymous No.7470554]

>>7470551
worst game zero
best arwing :

[Anonymous No.7470618]

>>7468301
livin the dream every 90s kid had.

[Anonymous No.7470675]

>>7470551
I wonder what Rare's Arwing segments would look like on N64

[Anonymous No.7470680]

>>7468301
i am a dying, underweight and hiv+ 30 year old man fapping to cartoon foxes

[Anonymous No.7470771]

>>7470680
>dying
lucky
I'm an overweight +35yo playing n64 games and waiting for my mom to die to kms

[Anonymous No.7470784]

>>7470771
>>7470680
>>>/r9k/

[Anonymous No.7470892]

people been posting goofy art that resonates as me as someone who grew up watching power rangers and all the imported super sentai stuff

[Anonymous No.7470898]

>>7467694
The thing that damaged the game the most was fucking exploding barrels, why tf did they add that lame shit and take away your spear in this section

[Anonymous No.7470906]

>>7470898
Exploding barrels that aren't even like, an inventory item or anything, they're respawning and techno themed, making them much lamer than a simple bomb and totally tasteless

[Anonymous No.7470913]

>>7470892
The krystal design SUCKED, Rare knew this and improved the shitty design because they were remaking the entire game anyway.

[Anonymous No.7470919]

>>7470913
Bullshit. OG Krystal is the definition of cute and soulful.

[Anonymous No.7470925]

>>7470913
I'm not going to really throw paper at you for preferences if you were going for that.

[Anonymous No.7470928]

>>7470898
>this
That shit ain't even techno. It's just some stupid fucking thing that makes 0 sense.

someone did a few loops on a cylinder and a few bevels and called it a damn day.

[Anonymous No.7470934]

>>7470913
I like the old cute design more than the sexy furry cliche she became in the Gamecube version.

Also original Krystal talks proper English.

[Anonymous No.7470937]

>>7470919
her face looks like a halloween mask

look I trust the experts at Rare, they knew what they were doing when they trashed this

[Anonymous No.7470951]

>>7470937
>look I trust the experts
nobody talks like this, subhuman

[Anonymous No.7470959]

>>7470934
n64 is superior because she's Joanna Dark in another universe and is nice to the innocent.
https://streamable.com/pgihhi

[Anonymous No.7470962]

>>7470937
Didn't save them from the buyout.

[Anonymous No.7471005]

>>7470505
Yes, none of this is explained so you can just make stuff up in your head. There could have been another Warpstone on her planet and since she's a psychic it could make learning new languages easier for example.

[Anonymous No.7471040]

>>7470551
I thought so too but it grew on me, consider that the Star Fox team is supposed to be poor as fuck in Adventures. With Great Fox literally falling apart I can see them using scrap parts to keep their Arwings at least usable.

[Anonymous No.7471069]

Rare really tried with the plot of SFA, but they cut so much cool shit from DP. I don't see why Fox's pals had to be in the game. Why couldn't Fox just be a roaming mercenary or whatever? "Knight of the Lylat System" works. You don't need to bend the entire plot to fit the rich Star Fox lore.

[Anonymous No.7471131]

>>7471069
I reckon with enough time they could of intergrated it well
Having say, Drakor as a bioweapon/general of Andross that found Sauria and started using it to build a new army, Randorn as a Cornerian researcher and Krystal as an adopted daughter of his who went along with him to assist
You'd be able to keep a lot of DPs original plot and then shift the backstory a touch to help it make sense

[Anonymous No.7471298]

>>7470959
I honestly don't like how Rare does tutorials. It's weird seeing characters ramble on and on about game mechanics like how selecting an item from your inventory works like Krystal doesn't know how to put an object in a bag, and it's annoying because it's super basic game stuff.

[Anonymous No.7471315]

>>7470906
>>7470928
>techno
what the fuck are you retards even talking about?

[Anonymous No.7471421]

>>7471298
Games should be designed as though you've never played a videogame before. That's why Rare's stuff ages so well.

[Anonymous No.7471479]

>>7468429
Yeah I don't think people really think much about it and they're just basing it off of the IPs and not the actual state of the company. I mean how many good games did rare make after the buyout? Like maybe viva pinata and grabbed by the goulies and how good those are can be highly debated.

[Anonymous No.7471480]

>>7467719
>>7467764
>Nintendo wasn't exactly on a streak of good decisions
selling rare was a great decision, even better in hindsight, the key people were already leaving, Microsoft was robbed

[Anonymous No.7471501]

>>7468231
>Also. I somehow fucked up getting the flame spell and had to restart
you also ASLO fucked up taking a simple picture

[Anonymous No.7471558]

>>7467707
So in an alternate timeline Sabre would have been an Xbox Mascot?

[Anonymous No.7471675]

>>7471131
>Drakor as a bioweapon/general of Andross that found Sauria and started using it to build a new army

I can't remember if it was Assault, Command, or both. But I liked how the antagonists of at least one of those games were some experiment or subordinate of Andross' that, once he was no longer there to control them due to being dead, just went wild and attempted to fill the power vacuum he left behind. I like the idea of once the big bad is defeated it's not just "happy sunshine funtime and the power of friendship and everything's perfect" forever, there's actual fallout and consequences to taking a dictator down. So I think this idea could have been really cool if done right. Certainly would have been a lot better than

>Andross: "Me am back alive for no raisin!"
>Fox: *Kills him*
>General Pepper: "Good job, Fox! Now big monke be dead for good for ever!"

[Anonymous No.7471780]

>>7471558
>Sabre the Timesweeper
doesn't have the same ring

[Anonymous No.7471916]

>>7470505
Another anon, you don't know what a plot hole is. When important shit isn't explained, that's bad writing. A plot hole is when impossible things happen, and you are meant to just go along. When some event contradicts logic, or what was previously established. You can make a retcon and not have it be a plot hole, but FOR GOD'S SAKE LEARN WHAT A PLOT HOLE MEANS.

[Anonymous No.7471921]

>>7471916
Whatever, same diff.

[Anonymous No.7472121]

>>7471005
I wonder how much these would be worth at an auction.

[Anonymous No.7472141]

>>7471675
I think it was Command, the Anglars might of existed because of the fallout of what Andross did to the seas
I know he dumped a mobile statue on whatever the desert planet is since its a boss

[Anonymous No.7472963]

I know I'm asking to be spoonfed here, but does anyone have a download link? I've literally been waiting nearly my entire life to see this day, as a huge rarefaggot.

[Anonymous No.7472985]

>>7472963
https://archive.org/details/dino_20210220
Have fun anon.

[Anonymous No.7472996]

>>7472985
Thank you heaps, Anon.

[Anonymous No.7473049]

I heard some cheats are needed to bypass crashes or flags not being set. Is there a list anywhere?

[Anonymous No.7473084]

how different are the levels from the star fox one we got

[Anonymous No.7473135]

>>7473084
varies from almost identical to completely different depending on area

[Anonymous No.7473318]

>>7473084
The world connecting everything is an almost completely different layout, but individual puzzles and rooms can greatly resemble ones in SFA.

[Anonymous No.7473489]

>>7471131
Putting Andross in the game to begin with was retarded. Andross is dead. He didn't need to come back.

[Anonymous No.7473518]

>>7473489
This is Nintendo we're talking about. The big bad ALWAYS comes back.

[Anonymous No.7473546]

>>7466675
Yeah, too bad it has an OoT framerate though.

[Anonymous No.7473548]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNoi8ihwiW8
Anyone notice there's a character named "Shabunga" during the last minute or so who is apparently NOT the ShopKeeper?

[Anonymous No.7473561]

>>7473049
I would wait a few weeks anon, there’s so many flags in different areas it takes a while to make sense of them all.

The save games are 6144 bytes in size. If we assume half the size consists of flags, that’s well over 24k worth of possible bitflags to trigger.

[Anonymous No.7473563]

>>7468035
>Keep Krystal aged up but maybe consider keeping some of the cuter aspects of the older design, like a cross between the two.
>Opening text explains that Krystal, the adopted daughter of the wizard Randorn from Warlock Palace, was summoned by the CloudRunner Tribe to save Princess Kyte from General Scales, who launched his conquest of Dinosaur Planet.
>Scenes play out as in SFA, Krystal retreats to Warlock Palace after Scales throws her overboard, which was unknowingly attacked while Krystal was away. She soon finds her dropped Staff after a brief stealth section teaser. This begins her weapon tutorial as she tries to reach Randorn, whom she can't reach telepathically (because he has been weakened).
>At the end, she is trapped into a crystal by an unknown entity (Drakor, whom she doesn't recognize). She telepathically sends out a distress signal before passing out.
>Cue the Great Fox. None of the junk about the team being bored on patrol for eight years is necessary, maybe a year or two at most. Team is as in SFA but living a little more comfortably after destroying the greatest threat to the system. General Pepper tells them about Sauria, also known to the locals as Dinosaur Planet, receiving a distress signal. Slippy says that it's the right thing to do while ROB says the money could go to repairs, but Fox derides it as some primitive backwater little space rock that isn't worth the effort. Then Peppy speaks up and recognizes it as the refuge of Randorn, a friend of the original Star Fox team, piquing Fox's curiosity. He agrees to the mission.
>Basic Arwing level (sorry, gotta have 'em, Krystal's CloudRunner intro was already somewhat Arwing-like) as Fox travels to directly to the Warlock Palace landing site.
>Fox is allowed to keep his Blaster, which in this game functions as the Staff's Fire Blaster upgrade. Gets a recap of the team's role when he lands. The player easily sees that Fox can use his Blaster to access areas Krystal couldn't.

[Anonymous No.7473625]

>>7473563
>Soon finds Randorn. Peppy pops up and introduces Fox as James McCloud's son. Randorn remembers James fondly as a friend of his sons when they were pups, having grown up on the same homeworld, Cerinia. Fox wonders aloud why his father never told him much about Cerinia, which he heard was suddenly abandoned and later destroyed in one of Andross's experiments. Randorn changes the subject by saying he migrated because Dinosaur Planet needed to be kept under a watchful eye from threats like Scales. He gives Fox a memento of his late son's, the Sabre, to help his adopted daughter Krystal.
>The Sabre is Sabre's sword with his fighting spirit infused into it, does not have projectiles like the Fire Blaster for obvious reasons, becomes Fox's melee weapon. The rest of Warlock Palace serves as a tutorial as Fox reaches Krystal.
>The Sabre resonates with the crystal and so Fox is able to shatter it. This frees Krystal but mysteriously causes the planet to split apart. This is when Peppy chimes in to chastise Fox: they're there to save the planet, not blow it up, but he softens when he sees that Fox was saving Krystal, who is still unconscious. Fox takes Krystal to Randorn, and Krystal speaks telepathically. She says that the spirit energy of the Sabre can be transferred to the Staff, which will awaken her but cause Fox to enter a sleeplike state, and vice versa. This opens the game up proper as the swap mechanic is explained - Krystal's mission is to retrieve the Krazoa Spirits to restore their bodies to normal, while Fox's mission is to retrieve the SpellStones to heal the planet, fixing the mess they caused.

[Anonymous No.7473632]

>>7473625
>From Randorn's chamber, the adventure truly begins by having him warp your character to the WarpStone in ThornTail Hollow. There are additional WarpStones in DarkIce Mines, CloudRunner Fortress, the Walled City and Dragon Rock, and they can fast-travel to previously-visited WarpStones when activated. Naturally they have the more memorable SFA personality and voice instead of the boring DP one.
>New feature: contacting ROB on the communicator will ask if you want the Great Fox to beam the Arwing closer to your current location. While only Fox can pilot the Arwing, it is also where characters can be swapped.
>Most of the game follows SFA progression at this point forward. Fox eventually bonds with Tricky while Krystal is helped by Kyte (as in SFA, they cannot go to Warlock Palace or the Game Well Maze). Gameplay keeps the parts of DP that worked better however, like tighter combat. They have access to the same item pool such as the P.D.A. but different weapons and partners. Tone is between DP & SFA. Also, of course the friendless SharpClaw is kept in.
>Throughout the game, there are more hints that there is some greater force than Scales. Fox can't shake the feeling that the technology Scales possesses is eerily familiar. Krystal still tries to find traces of the being that attacked her in Warlock Palace, which she senses is not working for Scales. Both suspect that Randorn knows even more than he lets on. Peppy is privvy but he swore to secrecy because Randorn promised to tell all when the time is right, reassuring that Randorn has their best intentions in mind. Peppy mentions Randorn being especially distraught when he told him about Pigma, and that what he is hiding is heavy grief.
>General Scales is fought where Drakor was in SFA, and teleports away with his Kamerian Belt when defeated just before falling into the lava. Krystal catches a glimpse of Drakor watching overhead.

[Anonymous No.7473642]

>>7473632
>After the SpellStones are collected, Fox decides to pay Randorn a visit to explain why the planet isn't together again. He says that an outsider of Kamerian descent known as Drakor is responsible for weakening the SpellStones by using his Kamerian Heart. He explains that Drakor has been using Scales for his own ends, supplying him with salvaged alien technology, and that he aims to bring darkness to the Lylat system. Krystal is listening and telepathically asks how Randorn knows Drakor since she never heard of him. Randorn dismisses it as a long story. Randorn actually has a bit of stuff to say each time you go back to return a Krazoa Spirit.
>Later when visiting Warlock Palace the final time (no junk about Tricky being left in the Walled City), Scales shows up for a rematch, but is stopped by an unknown force (Drakor, not Andross). Scene plays out like SFA, but it's not a major loss since you already fought him. The final scenes happen when you go to Randorn on the way to release the Spirit.
>Randorn senses there may not be much time left and is as ready as he'll ever be to share his secret. He lived on Cerinia with his two sons. When he lost one of them, Sabre, to a tribe of foxes, his magical power went awry in a blind rage and he wiped nearly all of them out. He snapped out of it when he heard a baby crying, and realized what he had done. He took her in, raised her as his own, and named her Krystal. His other son, Wolf, never forgave him and left home shortly afterward, never speaking to him again. Fox recognizes the name and asks if he happens to know an O'Donnell. Randorn replies that no one has called him Randorn O'Donnell ever since he came to Dinosaur Planet. Fox and Krystal both aren't sure what to say and silently decide to figure it out later, angry with him.

[Anonymous No.7473665]

>>7473642
>The new point of no return is when Krystal returns the final Krazoa Spirit. The Sabre shatters, freeing the flow of energy between it and the Staff. This causes Fox to awaken independently of Krystal. She soon walks in, and they meet each other properly for the first time, but the meeting is cut short as Drakor announces his presence. It's explained why Randorn flew into a blind rage all those years ago: when he was younger, Drakor stole Sabre's weapon, killed him with it, and framed the foxes when he learned that Randorn had a vision that a fox of theirs would be the downfall of his emperor. However, he had barely missed James McCloud's departure from the tribe, who soon fell in love with a Papetoon native and begat the fox in question. Fox then realizes that Drakor had seen Fox's victory over Andross. After Andross fell, Drakor managed to salvage much of Andross's technology from Venom, becoming more powerful while devising a plan to undo what Fox did. Suddenly, there's shaking, and Drakor says that the revival process should be finished, thanking Krystal for returning the Krazoa Spirits for him. Fox says that he'll go out after Andross when Krystal takes care of Drakor, knowing that's she's capable, and she agrees and tells him they'll meet again. Player can finally choose which scenario to play first: FOX VS ANDROSS or KRYSTAL VS DRAKOR. Battles are (graciously) timed to give the player a sense of urgency, as Andross is trying to lose Fox and rejoin the remnants of his army and Drakor is about to gather enough energy in his Kamerian Heart to blow up Dinosaur Planet for good.

[Anonymous No.7473671]

>>7473665
>Fox's final boss is extremely similar to SFA, as Fox chases Andross in the Arwing. Instead of the "Krazoa God" (which never made sense as a "disguise"), one half of Andross is based on his SNES design, while the other is closer to N64. Falco shows up here as in SFA. When Andross is destroyed, the Spirits are freed, returning back to the planet. However...
>Krystal's final boss is like the one she would have received in DP. Near the end of the battle, SCALES (sans belt) of all people joins in with his galleon to ally himself with Krystal, though he's more furious at having been a pawn this whole time rather than really reformed. When Drakor is destroyed, the SpellStones return to full strength. Like SFA, it's ambiguous if Scales survives.

[Anonymous No.7473704]

>>7473671
>After both final bosses, Dinosaur Planet is reassembled. Krystal returns to Randorn and gets sombre news - Randorn is starting to vanish, as Sabre came to him and said that he must be meeting James soon. Unable to do anything, Krystal blurts out that she forgives him and that he was a good father. Randorn fades away with a smile on his face for the first and final time. The scene cuts away to the Great Fox, which segues with Peppy and Fox having a brief exchange about Randorn but Fox just sincerely thanks Peppy for looking out for him all these years, and Slippy cuts in and Fox laughs and says the whole team did a great job. ROB receives Pepper's transmission and the scene acts out much as in the final game (except no "Oh, and Tricky says Hi!"). Instead of a message from Krystal, Tricky and Kyte appear together on the monitor and ask the Star Fox team to come down and join the festivities. Fox agrees and says there's also something he's gotta do anyway, telling Tricky and Kyte that they are also honorary members of the Star Fox team for their invaluable service. He adds if Kyte has seen Krystal, but she says no, and Fox says not to worry. Next, we see more of the tribes and characters celebrating - for example, Falco's hanging out at CloudRunner Fortress, Peppy's at the Walled City, Slippy's at ThornTail Hollow, and ROB's at LightFoot Village. Fox, however, rushes to Warlock Palace. Outside, he's surprised to see the SharpClaw peacefully celebrating their liberation. Inside, he finds Krystal where Randorn was, meditating, and he approaches her quietly. Camera pans to her face as she opens her eyes, smiling warmly. Fade to black, roll credits.

[Anonymous No.7473750]

>>7473704
I read all your entire story and i would love to see your fan fiction as the real game. Seriously.

[Anonymous No.7473779]

>>7473704
>>7473671
>>7473665
>>7473642
>>7473632
>>7473625
>>7473563
what the hell is all this shit, i don't cum here to read lol

[Anonymous No.7473834]

>>7466240
Anybody know what you're supposed to do after getting the Krazoa spirit at Discovery Falls? I can't get through Moon Pass because the gate is locked and trying to go back through the cavern to Lightfoot Village crashes my game every time. Playing this on N64 with everdrive if that matters. The game progression has been astonishingly smooth so far so I'm at a loss for what to do.

[Anonymous No.7473836]

>>7471040
even though the sfa arwing gameplay was ass im a huge fan of the model. the rebel alliance fighters from the star wars OT was definitely an influence.

[Anonymous No.7473838]

>>7473834
You're supposed to turn in the spirit at Warlock Mountain, then switch to Sabre.

[Anonymous No.7473841]

>>7473836
it even takes off and lands the same way as luke's xwing on dagobah

[Anonymous No.7473847]

>>7473841

[Anonymous No.7473848]

>>7473838
Maybe I'm retarded but I can't figure out how to get back to Warlock Mountain. Don't I need the Swapstone to do that? I can't find the proper route back to Swapstone Circle if that's the case

[Anonymous No.7473849]

>>7473847
vixen stole my bike

[Anonymous No.7473850]

>>7473847

[Anonymous No.7473853]

>>7473848
You can scale the rock walls next to the waterfalls you jumped down to get into the Discovery Falls area to get back to the Swapstone.

[Anonymous No.7473864]

>>7473850
and here is the awring from the other gamecube game star fox assault. not a fan

[Anonymous No.7473872]

>>7473853
Ah, that's what I missed. Thanks anon, much appreciated

[Anonymous No.7473886]

>>7473864

[Anonymous No.7473893]

>>7473886
and heres the sf64 model from melee

[Anonymous No.7473898]

>>7473893

[Anonymous No.7473902]

>>7467647
Why does Sabre's sword glitch out like this in the patched version of the game? Playing with Sabre feels like the definitive way to go but it's a little distracting with his sword constantly flashing during normal gameplay

[Anonymous No.7473904]

>>7473886
bleh I hate that model

[Anonymous No.7473910]

>>7473898
not sure which smash this one's from

[Anonymous No.7473931]

>>7473910
as a kid playing sf64 i always wished there was a way to fly the wolfen>>7469937

[Anonymous No.7473934]

>>7473910
That's a smash ultimate style trophy.

[Anonymous No.7474026]

Can the distract command be used for anything or is it just broken? Apparently I've just received it from the Swapstone but it doesn't show up in the menu

[Anonymous No.7474108]

>>7473902
Well because its not sabre's sword. It's Fox's someone supposedly found Sabre's original sword (the one from e3 2000) it's just finding it again so we can plug it into the right GS code.
>>7473864
Assault arwings had so much potential seeing as in an early build they were basing them off of the SNES design

[Anonymous No.7474127]

Anybody else kind kind of curious what the game would look like with this turned off? Seems like the characters would better match the proportions seen in concept art if they had smaller heads

[Anonymous No.7474196]

>>7474127
wtffff

[Anonymous No.7474230]

>>7474108
like this?

[Anonymous No.7474232]

>>7473931
for zero they kept the 64 designs it seems

[Anonymous No.7474240]

>>7474232

[Anonymous No.7474242]

>>7474240

[Anonymous No.7474243]

>>7474230

[Anonymous No.7474260]

>>7474230
Not sure what the hell is going on with the textures here but more like this

[Anonymous No.7474654]

>>7473704
It actually makes sense, impressive.

[Anonymous No.7474894]

>>7473563
>Fox derides it as some primitive backwater little space rock that isn't worth the effort. Then Peppy speaks up and recognizes it as the refuge of Randorn, a friend of the original Star Fox team, piquing Fox's curiosity.
I think Fox should be more commenting on why a backwater planet is so important to Pepper rather than outright reject it at first, if anything he should be skeptical at hearing Peppy say his father knew an exiled wizard. Like, keep Fox's personality contrasted with Krystal's, but don't make him too unlikable. We wanna root for him after all.
>>7473625
>Fox takes Krystal to Randorn, and Krystal speaks telepathically. She says that the spirit energy of the Sabre can be transferred to the Staff, which will awaken her but cause Fox to enter a sleeplike state, and vice versa.
I'd have Randorn explain that second part, Krystal is more of an apprentice. She can speak telepathically to Fox and Peppy to assure them that she's the one who sent the distress signal and to take her body to Randorn since he'd know what to do.
>>7473632
>While only Fox can pilot the Arwing, it is also where characters can be swapped.
Definitely prefer this over the WarpStone since it's more convenient and mitigates backtacking, but I'd add this to Randorn's swap explanation in Warlock Palace and show him warping Krystal to Fox's Arwing before warping Fox to ThornTail Hollow. Also before I forget: Tricky or Kyte swap here too? I get Fox and Krystal swapping, but there needs to be an explanation why Tricky and Kyte can't be out at once. I guess the kids were taught by their parents not to trust the other's tribe, thus seeing them get along during the ending is all the better?
>>7473642
>Scene plays out like SFA, but it's not a major loss since you already fought him.
When Fox/Krystal hear Drakor, do they still remember his voice from somewhere?

[Anonymous No.7474901]

>>7473642
>Krystal is listening and telepathically asks how Randorn knows Drakor since she never heard of him.
This reminds me: what happens if you activate cutscenes meant for the other character? Here, Fox handles SpellStones while Krystal handles Krazoa Spirits, but in DP, you're also swapping to entirely different locations. Is there just an alternate version of the cutscene with the other character most of the time? Suppose that'd encourage replay value. Maybe establish that Fox has a mental link to talk back when Krystal is active?
>>7473665
>Fox then realizes that Drakor had seen Fox's victory over Andross.
Minor fix but you mean than Randorn saw it.
>>7473671
>Near the end of the battle, SCALES (sans belt) of all people joins in with his galleon to ally himself with Krystal, though he's more furious at having been a pawn this whole time rather than really reformed.
Sounds pretty fun, I imagine there can be a new Tricky/Kyte-esque command.
>>7473704
>He adds if Kyte has seen Krystal, but she says no, and Fox says not to worry.
It'd be even better if Tricky yells out, "Let's play!"
Overall? Ironing out some of the kinks, this just goes to show that all you really needed was time and execution to blend the game with an existing IP. Too bad Rare was in panic mode during GameCube development, the revised premise could have really been great and explored the Star Fox universe in new and interesting ways while at the same time paying respect to the N64 version. It's a shame the final is an awkward mess.

[Anonymous No.7475056]

Just starting it up for the first time. Any reccomended Mupen settings to get it running at least somewhat stable?

[Anonymous No.7475084]

reminder because of 1 autist you will never see the e3 build of this game

[Anonymous No.7475087]

>>7475084
I never even thought we'd get THIS. So I have no room to be bitter.

[Anonymous No.7475093]

>>7474127
I'm beginning to think the head size is an in-joke...

[Anonymous No.7475102]

>>7475093
Is that boot.dol?

[Anonymous No.7475107]

>>7475087
how about if that autist also cost you 12 tales conker?

[Anonymous No.7475110]

>>7475102
Yes, someone on the discord got the menu working. That's about it though!

[Anonymous No.7475117]

>>7467372
Incredibly based

[Anonymous No.7475170]

>>7475107
Can you fill me up on this? What happened to e3 dino planet and conker?

I remember reading something about loosing the chance to get conker on assemblergames years ago but I think this was even before my time.

[Anonymous No.7475193]

>>7475170
Long story short. this and I believe Golden Eye 360 came from someone who had alot of old prototype Rare stuff and some people were negotiating to get that stuff backed up and dumped publicly. One autist couldnt keep his mouth shut something got released earlier than the agreed upon date and we've more than likely lost any chances of getting anything more from that contact because of it

[Anonymous No.7475203]

>>7475170
>>7475193
I dont know the full details like who was the one at fault or exactly what/how much is lost if the owner does indeed stop sharing. I've just been told other builds of Dinosaur Planet and 12 Tales Conker

[Anonymous No.7475236]

>>7467843
>Ironically, Nintendo allowed Namco to make Star Fox Assault darker than Dinosaur Planet ever was, where the melodrama was bumped up to almost comedic degrees, paving the way for Command's ridiculousness.
eh, other than general pepper and peppy doing that one fakeout kamikaze, it wasn't that ridiculous. it could have been done better though.
Command's whole story felt like it was entirely written out of spite towards nintendo and the series

[Anonymous No.7475250]

>>7475193
Goldeneye was up on pnet for years, it's actually shocking nobody leaked it to the public until now.

[Anonymous No.7475295]

>>7466240
furfags have no soul

[Anonymous No.7475309]

>>7475295
then how can they be sent to hell?

[Anonymous No.7475368]

>>7475193
I don't think forest of illusion would break a release agreement and ruin chances to get more stuff from that source.

Maybe this was about a different guy, I have no idea. It would be damn sad if this was the last Rareware thing we got from his source.

[Anonymous No.7475430]

>>7475368
As a whole? Probably not but you always have to account for "that one autist"

[Anonymous No.7475436]

>>7475093
This is actually from the kiosk demo of SFA and not from the Dinosaur Planet rom itself. it contains remnants of a non functioning build of Dinosaur Planet in it.

[Anonymous No.7475465]

>>7475093
I'm thinking it was either an in-joke or a quick and dirty fix for an art-related issue. Maybe the characters were originally supposed to take more realistic proportions, but they were worried players wouldn't be able to see the lip synching and character expressions clearly enough on a CRT screen. Banjo-Kazooie went through similar changes during development

[Anonymous No.7475483]

>>7473563
Read all of these and I love it, someone already touched on some minor things but I just have one question:
>Scenes play out as in SFA, Krystal retreats to Warlock Palace after Scales throws her overboard, which was unknowingly attacked while Krystal was away.
Why the final "throw Krystal overboard" version of the scene in particular instead of the one where Scales talks about Randorn and then Krystal steers the Galleon? This was even replaced extremely late in development since the scene of Krystal waking up after Scales teleports away is still in the game: https://tcrf.net/Star_Fox_Adventures/Dinosaur_Planet_Leftovers#Unused_Cutscene_at_Galleon

[Anonymous No.7475502]

>>7466240
Anybody know how far it's possible to progress through the campaign before you hit a wall? To my understanding the proper story progression looks like this:

Intro Warlock Mountain Lightfoot Village *Switch to Sabre* Speeder Chase Snowhorn Wastes Swapstone Hollow *Switch to Krystal* Cape Claw Lightfoot Village Discovery Falls *Collect First Spirit* Warlock Mountain *Switch to Sabre*

Is progression possible beyond this point? I know some people have made it to the Volcano and Desert Force Point Temples - where do those come in?

[Anonymous No.7475530]

>>7475502
technically dark ice mines would be next however beating the boss warps you into the void.
In theory you could skip to Volcano Force Point, collect spirit, Fox's warlock mountain Switch to krystal Save & restart, reopening your save should play a cutscene where you get the moon mountain pass key from there its Cloud runner fortress into Desert Force Point

[Anonymous No.7475550]

>>7475502
Dark Ice Mines is next, but the game doesn't give you the Disctract command, so without codes to add it, that's as far as you can get.

[Anonymous No.7475630]

>>7475295
>>7469289
underage tourists should go back to /v/, we're discussing rareware kino here.

[Anonymous No.7475661]

Runs like shit on my current emulator setup. Gonna have to do a lot of tweaking. Any suggestions?

[Anonymous No.7475664]

>>7473548
Shabunga in this build seems to be the name of the "Mutant Leader" alchemist mentioned late in the Rare Thief story documents? Also, he seems to be speaking some variant of Dino talk in some lines, possibly conceived as Mutant language? So yeah, not the StoreKeeper, I guess Nintendo Power liked the name and wanted to reuse it for something. Unrelated: one of the earlier lines mentions the "Sauria system", so at this point of development Sauria was not (yet) part of the Lylat system.

[Anonymous No.7475729]

>>7475664
I'd hazard a guess that it's less "Nintendo liked the name" and more "This character needs a name, this name is no longer being used, it's theirs now" as a time saving measure.

[Anonymous No.7475779]

>>7475729
Maybe, but then you have to ask yourself why "Shabunga" never showed up anywhere else.

[Anonymous No.7475802]

You pay THIS much?

[Anonymous No.7475830]

>>7475802
>haggle for 18 scarabs instead of 20
>"NO, that's TOO LOW"
>go up to 19
>OK I'll sell it to you"

[Anonymous No.7475894]

>>7475830
Could you ever go lower than one less scarab?

[Anonymous No.7475907]

>>7466240
An full unreleased RARE N64 game just dropped? This is like a dream come true how am I just now hearing about this

[Anonymous No.7475919]

>>7475907
"full"
If your looking to playthrough it start to finish, it's gonna be a couple months til a patch comes out. Just a heads up so you know what to expect.

[Anonymous No.7475934]

>>7475919
I've waited 20 years I can wait a few months longer. Is there any site or a discord I can keep an eye on or hang out in for progress and finds?

[Anonymous No.7475965]

Anybody know if there are any full rips of the OST out there yet? There was an incomplete rip posted in a past thread that didn't include the god tier Desert Force Point Temple track and a lot of others. I can't believe so many of these tracks went unused in the final game, it's a gold mine of Dave Wise content

Case in point: https://youtu.be/oFWz8Fzt_MM

[Anonymous No.7475975]

>>7475965
Got a link to Desert Force Point? I haven't heard it yet. I only just heard about this myself.

[Anonymous No.7475987]

>>7475919
>start to finish
I think that's a wee bit optimistic, the game will probably still have major holes when it's patched going by the leaked voice lines being incomplete (a previous thread suggested spoofing the voices or getting imitators to finish the endgame but I'll believe it when I see it, I'd almost rather a GameCube mod since this N64 build was already "Star Fox").

[Anonymous No.7475998]

>>7475975
It's actually the one I just posted, ha. Not sure why the YouTube video is titled Swapstone Hollow, but the track was originally discovered thru hacking SFA. We only recently found out it was used for Desert Force Point Temple

[Anonymous No.7476021]

>>7475998
Oh neat. I've played a shit ton of SFA, so, the idea of another Force Point temple is pretty fucking cool to me.

[Anonymous No.7476162]

>>7475894
Yes: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/gamecube/516497-star-fox-adventures/faqs/20899
I'm impressed that his threat to kick you out of his store wasn't empty originally, and apparently you had to get back on his good side if you messed up.

[Anonymous No.7476238]

>>7476162
>>7475894
>>7475830
>>7475664
>>7475779
I'm surprised that more games didn't try haggling mechanics. Elder Scrolls games used to use your personality stat and/or your mercantile skill to influence prices until Skyrim did away with almost all of the RPG mechanics and then it vaguely used speech, and recently Kingdom Come: Deliverance had a pretty decent bartering system which was accurate to the time period.
You'd think they'd use it more in RPGs but they don't. I think Kid Icarus had a very rudimentary haggling system where you'd shout into he Famicom mic to lower prices.
It always felt good in SFA to save a scarab or two. The whole idea where you'd have to monitor your relationship with the shopkeeper was pretty immersive for the time.

[Anonymous No.7476257]

Alright there's a Desert Force Point Temple. Is there a fourth Force Point Temple? Like an Air one or something?

[Anonymous No.7476548]

https://dinosaur-planet-to-sfa.tumblr.com/post/103424855422/a-ripped-model-of-a-creature-that-looks-like-a
Apparently the robotic scorpion was known about and was still in the July 2002 demo.

[Anonymous No.7476551]

>>7475965
I have several of the """demo""" tracks, but in promo MP3 form only. Want them?

[Anonymous No.7476582]

>>7476551
Absolutely

[Anonymous No.7476693]

>>7476548
The kiosk demo version of SFA has a large number of leftover DP files, including identical voice acting to the December 2000 DP build.

[Anonymous No.7476919]

>>7476582
This is the same folder as shared by Rare Minion before, but with extra tracks put in the "music" folder.
https://mega.nz/file/z153jIJR#i_6LacbP0p0XdOIRWPsQX-IsYl4Qxk1oLy61NfUw4eQ

[Anonymous No.7477501]

>>7473563
>>7473625
>>7473632
>>7473642
>>7473665
>>7473671
>>7473704

NINTENDO HIRE THIS MAN

but seriously, this was a great read. Fuck Nintendo for abandoning the series. So much wasted potential

[Anonymous No.7477686]

>>7473704
hell, i'd love to see this adapted into a comic or something. great job with the whole setting anon

[Anonymous No.7478117]

>>7476693
Actually I think some of the DP voice acting in the kiosk build is from a later point, more references to fox than sabre something that sounds like it could be a climax involving the quan ata lachu or whatever the hell he's called

[Anonymous No.7478132]

>>7478117
No, the N64 rom has identical voice acting to the SFA DP files, which gives some indication of when normal work on DP halted, at least plotwise.

[Anonymous No.7478162]

The scene where General Scales is electrocuted is in the game, but it isn't running properly, probably due to sequence breaking. It is meant to be followed by another cutscene where Krystal takes his belt.

[Anonymous No.7478181]

Do you guys think the community will make a full blown romhack that fixes up this glitchy version into a completely playable game?

[Anonymous No.7478197]

>>7478181
I believe so, yes. There's just too much prestige around the game for that to not happen. Where things will get dicey is fan-fic alterations and/or projects to realign the game with Rare's intended story and/or give the game an ending, because it doesn't have one. They never wrote an ending for DP. But they did make a final boss (Drakor). The rom is bursting with content, and a lot of it works just fine. The key is fixing the bugs. There are flags that get set incorrectly, and this causes a cascading failure.

[Anonymous No.7478198]

>>7478162
I think a version of that scene made it into a build of Star Fox Adventures since in this video you can hear General Scales saying "SpellStone is mine!" (albeit in a different pose with his sword drawn out): https://dinosaur-planet-to-sfa.tumblr.com/post/118057789518/a-video-that-shows-some-of-the-creator-commentary
Is the General Scales getting shocked at the beginning of the game ever explained?

[Anonymous No.7478204]

>>7478181
They should do more than that

[Anonymous No.7478261]

Man I forgot how great this soundtrack is. Just replayed Adventures and crid at the sax at the end.

[Anonymous No.7478265]

>>7478198
He gets hit by lightning. I assume all the tech shit Drakor has given him has made him conductive.

[Anonymous No.7478276]

Holy shit it's the JIMMEH sample from Sonic Adventure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-M-klT2Fk4

[Anonymous No.7478289]

>>7478198
I assume thats the highest quality version of that video there is?

[Anonymous No.7478291]

>>7478204
I'm extremely wary of fan-fic tier attempts to "finish" the game. Any fanbase with this many furries in it is prone to in-fighting.

[Anonymous No.7478304]

I tried the patched rom on my everdrive but a new game just spawns me as sabre falling into a void. What gameshark codes do I need?

[Anonymous No.7478307]

What's up with those little scorpions hiding in jars? Just a random punishment when you're looking for items?

[Anonymous No.7478390]

>>7478304
Open save_DB and add DP=5 (Dinosaur Planet), changing ROM name to Dinosaur Planet.z64 might also help

[Anonymous No.7478473]

>>7475084
Wait, what's the story behind this?

[Anonymous No.7478497]

>>7469809
I swear 90% of art complaints online are from people who can't perceive some perspectives

[Anonymous No.7478536]

>>7475193
>One autist couldnt keep his mouth shut something got released earlier than the agreed upon date and we've more than likely lost any chances of getting anything more from that contact because of it
Actually, I'm pretty sure it was that retard who threw a tantrum, released the password protected GoldenEye XBLA archive (which was useless), then tried to nuke gigabytes of files in some dipshit revenge scheme. These communities attract absolute fuckwits.

[Anonymous No.7478668]

>>7478536
>These communities attract absolute fuckwits
whoever they are, they have to watch their back now because they're gonna have hits on them

[Anonymous No.7478674]

Stop talking about this.
Play spectrum and amiga.

[Anonymous No.7478695]

>>7478674
nah

[Anonymous No.7478718]

>>7478674
I'll never shut up about Rare.

[Anonymous No.7478730]

>>7478718
Then talk about their Speccy Game

[Anonymous No.7478740]

>>7478198
Does anyone know if there is a cleaner version of that CG Drakor animation anywhere?

[Anonymous No.7478767]

>>7478730
Atic Atac was their best one and their only one on the Speccy that holds up decently well today. I'm not sorry.

[Anonymous No.7478801]

>>7478198
>>7478740
Wait whats up with these.
Was Adventures going to look more like Dinosaur Planet or what.
Why would they cut them once they're in semiworking condition like that.

[Anonymous No.7478825]

>>7478801
Star Fox Adventures was made under pretty harsh conditions. They were originally gonna release it in November 2001. The N64 build we have is from December 2000. So you're looking at 11 months to do a complete graphical overhaul, integrate a bunch of Star Fox stuff, and generally deliver a polished game. Over the course of this rushed development, more and more of the original game was pared away, while chunks of it were cannibalized and recontextualized in strange ways. Major characters were either removed or only make nameless cameo roles.

Rare have mentioned that the game's release date was constrained by the MS sale (Because the game failed to make the GC launch for obvious reasons.) They had a ridiculous deadline, and they chose to embrace it. It gave them focus. Prevented them second guessing themselves as they made a shippable game.

[Anonymous No.7478871]

>>7478801
To be honest a lot of those shots seem like mockups meant for promotional purposes, link circling around the Pepper model or Slippy and Peppy on land. The Scales and Drakor scenes might be from before Rare fully thought out what had to be cut or change to meet deadlines, or they could be mockups and nothing more.
>>7478825
Yeah, plus we're not sure how much more was developed on N64 before the switch to GCN since signs point to this not being the final N64 build even if it has Fox in it.

[Anonymous No.7478901]

>>7478871
well seeing as the earliest gamecube build we have boot.dol semms to be dated 3rd of January 2001 (as seen here >>7475093 ) I cant imagine there being many more N64 builds

[Anonymous No.7478959]

>>7478871
Even if there are mockups in this vid I highly doubt the Scales scene is one because they wouldn't have bothered to voice it otherwise and it sounds a lot like his Adventures voice.

[Anonymous No.7479008]

>>7478162

Scales gets his ass kicked a lot, huh.

[Anonymous No.7479040]

>>7479008
Scales is a Jobber in every version of Dinosaur Planet/StarFox Adventures

[Anonymous No.7479146]

>>7479008
In some ways I actually prefer the Star Fox Adventures of him for the mystique factor, because at least he wasn't STRUCK BY LIGHTNING IN THE FIRST SCENE HE'S IN AND THEN RETREATS FROM A LITTLE GIRL WHILE NERVOUSLY LAUGHING IT OFF (seriously what bizarre pacing, though I prefer his Dinosaur Planet design however).

[Anonymous No.7479186]

>>7475934
https://discord.gg/hJThmxBa

[Anonymous No.7479208]

>>7478162
I wonder where those two Sharpclaw learned how to levitate?

[Anonymous No.7479303]

>>7479208
they rode the log

[Anonymous No.7479363]

>>7479208
G-Diffusers

[Anonymous No.7479417]

>>7478162
>>7479146
This is just a shot in the dark, but I have a hunch the electrocution (and, to a lesser extent, the flames in the cabin Scales emerges from in his introduction) was supposed to hint at his boss battle. Maybe fire heals/energizes him and electricity stuns/damages him, and you were supposed to find a way to generate electricity in the arena. Unfortunately, with Scales being the last boss worked on (even Drakor had some work done despite looking entirely different from the final), and the build date being so close to console conversion as >>7478901 says, we'll probably never know unless a dev shares concepts. Or I'm overthinking it and Rare just thought it looked cool at the time.

[Anonymous No.7479469]

>>7479417
I mean it is possible they may be more left overs in GC builds from before the kiosk demo like the E3 and Spaceworld 2001 Builds in additon to boot.dol missing files to properly function beyond the menu screen so its hard to say what's in that build outside of getting a functional version or someone with way too much time and effort frankenstiening stuff from the N64 build into the GC one or back porting scripts

[Anonymous No.7479792]

general scales is the dumbest possible name, it's like naming Krystal "fur" or Slippy "skin"

[Anonymous No.7479796]

>>7479792
Fox.

[Anonymous No.7480008]

>>7475729
That's not outside the realm of possibility, Dinosaur Planet had an entirely different Krazoa Palace planned but they scrapped it and basically gave the name to Warlock Mountain in Star Fox Adventures.

[Anonymous No.7480393]

>>7479792
>it's like naming Krystal "fur"
I mean...

[Anonymous No.7480521]

Egad, lookit dat smug apehole with his giant barely-contained grin. He looks like a right pig in mud just so darn pleased with himself. Pulling a Captain Blackeye on Drakor. Here pictuted finally blowing up Fox's Arwing to millions of itty-bitty space pieces, taunting Fox's demise.

Wait...what does he mean by Fox losing "again"? Are extra lives canon? And I thought Andross wanted to conquer the Lylat System, not destroy it? Wait, but didn't he just suggest mere seconds ago that he was planning to enslave everyone by masquerading as the Krazoa God anyway (if that's even a thing)?

[Anonymous No.7480612]

>>7480521
I mean he lost his dad to andross

[Anonymous No.7481083]

>>7479792
Sometimes it works.

[Anonymous No.7481146]

>>7480521
at least his death animation is hilarious

[Anonymous No.7481156]

>>7480521
If you think Nintendo or Rare really gave that much of a shit about fitting their story into the long and rich Stair Fax LORE, please stop thinking that.

[Anonymous No.7481337]

>>7480521
In-universe answer: Andross probably isn't all there in the head after getting Krazoa'd, not to mention filled with vengeance. If you remember Ganon in the Zelda Oracle games it's like that.
Real-world answer: Rare fucked up.

[Anonymous No.7481447]

Sorry anons that waited, I got banned 3 days for "off topic" posting for posting my fan art

>>7481439

[Anonymous No.7481926]

>>7481156
Why did miyamoto life starfox 64 so much to remix it for starfox zero but he didn't like it enough to make it a sequel

[Anonymous No.7481932]

>>7478197
>There's just too much prestige around the game for that to not happen.

What? SFA was poorly remembered. Yes DP is rareware and an unseen work, but there's rareware games that were released and loved that havn't gotten what they deserve. There's no PC version of GE/PD despite how large those communities are. Hell there's no PC version of OOT. And yes I think its going to take a decompile to fix this game.

[Anonymous No.7481953]

>>7481926
Probably corporate behind the curtain bullshit.

[Anonymous No.7482017]

>>7481932
>What? SFA was poorly remembered.
OG Star Fox purists can impotently rage about it all they want, but most people don't give a shit about any Star Fox characters besides Krystal.
>There's no PC version of GE/PD despite how large those communities are. Hell there's no PC version of OOT. And yes I think its going to take a decompile to fix this game.
None of those games have the kind of raw obsession attached to them that Dinosaur Planet does.

[Anonymous No.7482031]

>>7482017
>but most people don't give a shit about any Star Fox characters besides Krystal.

Most people don't care about Krystal, you don't understand how obscure the game is

>None of those games have the kind of raw obsession attached to them that Dinosaur Planet does.

You're right, DP has no obsession attached to it.

The community is like 2 weeks old

[Anonymous No.7482053]

>>7482031
>Most people don't care about Krystal, you don't understand how obscure the game is
You don't understand the audience dynamics of Star Fox. Krystal has always been obsessed over. This is something OG Star Fox fans are always seething over. Nobody cares about Slippy and the others. It's just Krystal, Krystal, Krystal.
>The community is like 2 weeks old
It's decades old. Not only have people obsessed over DP since the late 90s, but a decade ago, a huge chunk of DP's files were found on a SFA demo disc, including all the audio. Part of why DP decompilation and extraction is coming along so fast is that people have spent the last several years documenting how Dinosaur Planet works.

[Anonymous No.7482057]

>>7482031
That's where your wrong. Faggots obsess over cut and beta game content all the time especially ones that change drastically. Like all the autists who are still obsessed over the hl2 beta and it's cut content to the point they are willing to harass and send death threats to people who might have some way of accessing the valve dev repo

[Anonymous No.7482082]

>>7482053
>You don't understand the audience dynamics of Star Fox. Krystal has always been obsessed over.
You confusing your time spent on furry forums as time spent with general audiences. But this is irrelevant, the popularity of krystal had nothing to do with the popularity of SFA, let alone DP.

>It's decades old. Not only have people obsessed over DP since the late 90s
Your characterization of "obsessed" must be so grandiose that it can't possibly be true. The suggestion that more people care or care more deeply about a cancelled game I've passingly heard of more than OOT and goldeneye is pretty funny. I only replied to you to bump the thread

>Part of why DP decompilation and extraction is coming along so fast is that people have spent the last several years documenting how Dinosaur Planet works.
>>7482057
>That's where your wrong. Faggots obsess over cut and beta game content all the time especially ones that change drastically.

I know this is right, but autistically document and the manpower to fix are two completely different things. Any video game historian can and will do the former, the latter requires passion and personal attachment.

>Like all the autists who are still obsessed over the hl2 beta and it's cut content to the point they are willing to harass and send death threats to people who might have some way of accessing the valve dev repo

Yes but no. Half life 2 was huge and one of the most anticipated games ever, and the source game community was huge. Pick an obscure example. Could anyone get death threats over twelve tales? You can't just abstract this to the point where all prototype games get the same commitment.

[Anonymous No.7482097]

>>7482082
>I know this is right, but autistically document and the manpower to fix are two completely different things.
The decompile project already has 14 contributors. The SFA kiosk demo files are being used to understand the game a lot better, because they have all their debug stuff intact. The game's save flags are slowly but surely being mapped out. There are also scripts to figure out entities, how they work, what's going wrong with the loading system, etc.
>The suggestion that more people care or care more deeply about a cancelled game I've passingly heard of more than OOT and goldeneye is pretty funny.
It's literally the holy grail of leaked games. It surpasses everything else that could leak or ever will leak. Rare is possibly the single most hallowed studio on the planet, and this game comes from their "golden" era. You've clearly been hanging out in the wrong circles.

[Anonymous No.7482105]

>>7482031
>>7482082
Not him, but I agree with him that you're underplaying Krystal's popularity, who at one point was considered for Super Smash Bros. Brawl but Wolf was chosen over her due to time constraints with making a whole new moveset, and is still by far the most requested Star Fox fighter in the series. You're probably right that decompilation is overhyping just how complete this game is though.

[Anonymous No.7482120]

>>7482097
>It's literally the holy grail of leaked games. It surpasses everything else that could leak or ever will leak.

I see the appeal of fixing a leaked game vs a completed one you can play now. Regardless of the community side one has much higher payoff

>You've clearly been hanging out in the wrong circles.

Yeah, /vr/

[Anonymous No.7482127]

>>7482097
>It's literally the holy grail of leaked games. It surpasses everything else that could leak or ever will leak.
I mean, it could very well be in the top ten, but if you think it's number one, I think you need to re-evaluate your biases.

[Anonymous No.7482135]

>>7482105
The game was 2-3 months from release. It's in a very advanced state. The problem is that the crashes need to be fixed, the progression flags need to be understood/corrected, and gaps in the content need to be papered over. It doesn't have an ending. It possibly doesn't even have a third Drakor boss phase. (But given how much content is discovered to be magically working if you set the right save flags, I'd reserve judgement.) But it has so, so much content.

[Anonymous No.7482136]

>>7482105
>Not him, but I agree with him that you're underplaying Krystal's popularity

Let's think about some things for a moment

1) You have that picture on your computer
2) You sidestepped every idea in this discussion and decided you need to talk about how popular krystal is
3) You cited consideration for smash bros because you could not cite inclusion in smash bros, despite it having 5 releases and approaching 90 characters.

>not him

I surely hope so. I thin he's wrong but I wouldn't wish him to COPE like you just did

[Anonymous No.7482143]

>>7482127
Name another game that was cancelled 2-3 months before release and retooled into a radically shitter version. The thing about most game leaks is that they're BAD. Like, autists can claim they want Prey 2, but all they've have is a tech demo. Dead Island 2 from 2015 leaked, and it's just an open world map to roam with fuck-all to do. Dinosaur Planet is different. It's near-complete, and easily the most atmospheric game of the 5th generation.

[Anonymous No.7482149]

>>7482143
>Name another game that was cancelled 2-3 months before release and retooled into a radically shitter version.

Why is this a metric for how much people desire it? You're trying to sell us on how cool the prototype is, we know, you need to sell us on how much people care because that's the argument.

[Anonymous No.7482159]

>>7482136
>COPE
no u, I don't even like Krystal all that much and I can admit she's popular FFS.

[Anonymous No.7482172]

>>7482149
If Dinosaur Planet had released in 2001, it would have been showered in 10/10 reviews, and become one of the defining videogames of its generation. It is a masterpiece. A sweeping sci-fi/fantasy epic. The mystique around Dinosaur Planet always lay in the fact people knew how much SFA butchered it. Because we've had all its voice acting for years. An insider posted Rare's story documents, stuff like that. The different between most leaks and DP is that DP exceeded people's wild expectations. GoldenEye XBLA is awesome, but it's GoldenEye. A know quantity. A 10/10 game, sure, but just a shinier version of a 10/10 game. Dinosaur Planet is like finding a lost Michael Jackson album and it's the best material he ever recorded. It's not some disappointing pile of offcuts. People are already obsessed with a build of DP that breaks after like 90 minutes. Once it is patched to play all the way to Drakor without cheating, more and more people will be pulled into its eternal hype sphere.

[Anonymous No.7482175]

>>7482172
It's also possibly David Wise's best work.

[Anonymous No.7482183]

>>7482143
>Name another game that was cancelled 2-3 months before release
Would it kill you do do a little more research?
>and retooled into a radically shitter version.
1) The game being released in some form is sort of cheating.
2) Yeah, well that's, like, your opinion, man.

[Anonymous No.7482189]

>>7482159
Is that why you posted the last picture of krystal ever taken?

[Anonymous No.7482194]

>>7482172
You didn't understand anything I said

>>7482175
jesus christ

[Anonymous No.7482203]

>>7481926
He cares about the gameplay first. Which is fine in and of itself, but he takes too far I think. The only reason SF0 even exists is because the WiiU's gamepad exists and was made to show it off.

[Anonymous No.7482210]

>>7482183
You're missing the entire point. You could easily cite games like Star Fox 2 or 40 Winks N64. Games that were literally finished and then cancelled for whatever reason. Dinosaur Planet had been in development for about 3 years when it was cancelled, wheras NES games tended to have dev times measured in months.

The reason people accept games like Singularity and BioShock: Infinite being extensively retooled is because the games were unplayable messes. DP was different. It was more akin to Snyder being taken off Justice League and replaced with Joss Whedon, and we all know how that turned out, and how mighty the hype train is behind the Snyder Cut, which is coming out in like 15 days.

[Anonymous No.7482213]

>>7482175
Almost all of it made it into Star Fox in uncompressed form.
>>7482189
lol, I missed that ending of Command.

[Anonymous No.7482217]

>>7482189
Why'd she do it bros...

[Anonymous No.7482221]

>>7482175
>>7482213
Also it's hard to separate what is david wise. He used an orchestral library because it's not just sound chip music anymore

[Anonymous No.7482224]

>>7482105
dang now i want to fuck a dude in a fur costume thanks

[Anonymous No.7482227]

>>7482210
No that's you. Being "the holy grail" of leaked games isn't about your list of qualifications, it's about how many people wanted it.

It's your word against whatever. I can't come up with a metric to actually measure how much people give a shit about a fabled prototype. But it's not what you're posting.

[Anonymous No.7482228]

>>7482105
not a furry
- BUT - i would still let this dude fuck my ass

[Anonymous No.7482231]

>>7482217
In 1617 LE, the Fox set course for Virginia, but Krystal died at Gravesend of unknown causes, aged 20 or 21. She was buried in St George's Church, Gravesend, in Corneria, but her grave's exact location is unknown because the church was rebuilt after a fire destroyed it.[1]

[Anonymous No.7482232]

>>7482213
>Almost all of it made it into Star Fox in uncompressed form.
"Almost" being the operative word. A huge chunk of the music Wise wrote for DP was never used in SFA ingame. It was relegated to the jukebox. Also, because SFA destroys the atmosphere of DP, a lot of the music doesn't land the way it was intended to.

[Anonymous No.7482239]

>>7482227
Holy grail leaks have to be something that actually exists and has practical value. It's why people wanting Conker's 12 Tales is absolutely meaningless. Seavor compared 12 Tales to No Man's Sky for a reason. The moment it comes out all the hype will evaporate into smoke because it's a giant nothingburger tech demo. DP is reasonably unique in that it's a 10/10-tier Rareware game cancelled late in development.

[Anonymous No.7482241]

>>7482232
I knew it! I almost believed DKC1 and 2 had better music and then you cleared things up for me. Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.7482251]

>>7482210
>You're missing the entire point.
The dude in the example was compelled to lie about how finished his game was (whether for pride, publisher-mandated, or other reasons). Do you have ANY idea how common that is in the industry? There's probably no way of knowing the "holy grail" because we wouldn't know it if we saw it. Yes, it's fantastic it'll be preserved, but don't let the fact that the build we got has Star Fox elements (something we didn't know started on N64) be lost on you.

[Anonymous No.7482252]

>>7482183
To be fair the game being released in some form wont stop people wanting the earlier version despite how similar or different the scrapped and released versions are.
Example EB64

[Anonymous No.7482256]

>>7482241
It would depend on which style of music you prefer. It's like how Perfect Dark is arguably Kirkhope and Clynick's best work, but others feel stuff like Banjo is.

[Anonymous No.7482259]

>>7482251
It is exceeding rare for any modern publisher to cancel a game that late in development because it costs a fuckhuge amount of money to make games. NES games got canned all the time. That's why there are so many pretty much fully functional cancelled NES prototypes in circulation.

[Anonymous No.7482268]

>>7482252
Yeah we should all remind ourselves that arguing over which things autists want more for autistic purposes isn't such a useful thing to know

I just care if a patched rom or decompile is going to fall out before it's done

[Anonymous No.7482272]

>>7482189
Btw, first picture of krystal is here >>7481447

[Anonymous No.7482280]

>>7482259
>It is exceeding rare for any modern publisher to cancel a game that late in development because it costs a fuckhuge amount of money to make games.
Most people don't think of newer games as lost "holy grails" of their childhood and you know it. Besides, this is /vr/ - why are you bringing "modern publishers" into this?
>NES games got canned all the time. That's why there are so many pretty much fully functional cancelled NES prototypes in circulation.
Many of which are planned regional releases.

[Anonymous No.7482282]

>>7481146
That's because it's like something out of a Gmod video

[Anonymous No.7482287]

If EB64 got leaked it would crush DP with star power. It's the true holy grail, no matter how complete it was

Starmen.net runs on fumes year after year. Mother fans are rabid and they would make you care about it

[Anonymous No.7482291]

>>7482287
Its a shame most DD disks seem to be dying then

[Anonymous No.7482301]

>>7482143
>Name another game that was cancelled 2-3 months before release and retooled into a radically shitter version.
It's near-complete, and easily the most atmospheric game of the 5th generation.
>>7482291
>Its a shame most DD disks seem to be dying then
There were cartridge builds later in development, N64DD version held promise but probably wasn't anywhere near final.

[Anonymous No.7482327]

>>7482287
>It's the true holy grail, no matter how complete it was
I don't know man, I'd rank Fire Emblem 64 or even one of the GameCube Kirby platformers higher since they supposedly were the last projects made by the series creators before they left their companies. Or, hell, Metroid Dread. We have no idea how far any of these got in development, but I'd really start attributing the phrase "unreleased holy grail" to games that are completely unreleased. But I guess if this discussion's proved anything it's that such things are subjective as hell.

[Anonymous No.7482331]

>>7482143
>Name another game that was cancelled 2-3 months before release and retooled into a radically shitter version.
This really isn't as hard as you made it seem.

[Anonymous No.7482339]

>>7482143
>Name another game that was cancelled 2-3 months before release and retooled into a radically shitter version
Prey 2

[Anonymous No.7482348]

>all the guys working on the decomp are furries
this explains everything and you know it

[Anonymous No.7482357]

>>7482256
This, I used to like David Wise's DKC music but I feel whenever he revisits the series (like DKC3GBA or Tropical Freeze) a huge chunk of his talent is wasted on remixing his older work to the point that it gets tiresome.

[Anonymous No.7482380]

>>7482301
RE1.5 is nowhere near complete. It is a disjointed bunch of assets that was cancelled entirely because it was bad. I feel like people gloss over that RE1.5 was cancelled for a reason.

[Anonymous No.7482384]

>>7482339
Prey 2 was barely a game when it was cancelled. People have cripplingly unrealistic understandings of how game dev works.

[Anonymous No.7482393]

>>7482232
>"Almost" being the operative word. A huge chunk of the music Wise wrote for DP was never used in SFA ingame. It was relegated to the jukebox.
How much we talkin' here? I wouldn't say there's a "huge" amount left in Slippy's jukebox but I could be misremembering. (I know there's some YouTube playlist claiming several tracks unused but it has a number of those wrong.)
>Also, because SFA destroys the atmosphere of DP, a lot of the music doesn't land the way it was intended to.
I don't know man, I'm ultimately glad it released on GameCube, I booted it up the other day and was surprised at just how well the graphics still hold up, admittedly with some animations starting to show age a bit. It's the rushed story treatment that sucks, but I think that's more in hindsight.

[Anonymous No.7482396]

>>7482331
Toejam & Earl 3 wasn't really cancelled so much as the game was in silent dev hell because Visual Concepts felt that the game was dated. The game we got was the result of a lot of extra work being put into "modernizing" the game. The shift from DC to Xbox was more about SEGA noping out of the console market than anything else.

[Anonymous No.7482404]

>>7481146
mfw this topic stopped being about Dinosaur Planet.

[Anonymous No.7482426]

>>7482393
>I don't know man, I'm ultimately glad it released on GameCube, I booted it up the other day and was surprised at just how well the graphics still hold up, admittedly with some animations starting to show age a bit. It's the rushed story treatment that sucks, but I think that's more in hindsight.
Dinosaur Planet juxtaposes an extremely comfy vibe with moments of cruelty and brutality and pretty dark themes. A huge amount of this was lost in the SFA conversion. It's like a Don Bluth film put through a Disney filter. All the mood drained out. All the dark and violent bits nerfed. There's something serene about playing as Krystal and riding a log around in the water. SFA is very nice graphically, and there are bits and pieces of DP's atmosphere left, but it was cut to pieces. So much content is gone. So many characters.
https://youtu.be/SiWoUMHKsmY?t=7

[Anonymous No.7482440]

>>7482393
>>7482426
The tone of SFA is way, way goofier. Andross is a joke. The antagonists in DP are not a joke. DP paints Drakor's frantic efforts to genocide the inhabitants of an entire planet, including you, as cruel and selfish but not unsympathetic. Of course, people are still figuring out how much of this dialogue was actually implemented when development stopped. But they keep discovering more and more content fully active in the game, just disconnected and unpolished.
https://youtu.be/NGMoRRbwYnw?t=4396

[Anonymous No.7482459]

>>7482287
I can see why Kumatora was redesigned, she maybe was like a different character

[Anonymous No.7482465]

>>7479186
Responding a bit late but, thanks man. Only returned to the thread now.

[Anonymous No.7482531]

>>7482426
Maybe, but that goes along with the story treatment. I do think the Queen CloudRunner dying is unnecessary, especially with Kyte out of the picture, but there are other story beats admittedly done better making more sense in Dinosaur Planet. There are SOME slightly darker moments in Star Fox Adventures that are being overlooked here, like if you lose the SharpClaw racer section: in Dinosaur Planet, the SharpClaw behind Sabre/Fox just looks down menacingly as if telling the player that you got captured in Tricky's place, but in Star Fox Adventures, Fox hopelessly looks down away with his eyes shut as if resigned to his fate, and it looks more like the SharpClaw behind him straight up executes him right as it fades to black. That's more depressing to me. And of course, it's been mentioned that Scales' introduction borders on goofy in Dinosaur Planet and needed refining (heck, when he reappears on the Galleon, there's a stilted gag with one of his men). There's also another advantage the switch to GameCube had: a smoother framerate. I know the build we have isn't final but I doubt the choppiness would have been cleaned up by much given other released N64 games.
>>7482440
At least he attempted to kill Krystal in the final instead of running away from her(?), so he's still obviously a threat, just has less presence.

[Anonymous No.7482534]

>>7482440
>sfa drakor is a joke, razoa's power can only slowly keep the planet in place and andross statement is vague
>dp drakor was going to destroy the planet and the krazoa's power keeps the universe in balance
Holy

[Anonymous No.7482606]

>>7482531
>There are SOME slightly darker moments in Star Fox Adventures that are being overlooked here,
Here's one I remember from the LightFoot capture scene - in DP, the LightFoot are more implicit with their threats (showing her what they do to thieves), but in SFA, they're much more direct in saying to "kill the pig" (which kinda begs the question how they even knew about pigs, unless it was supposed to an oblique Pigma reference).
>>7480521
Sidenote - is there a compilation of all the failure scenes somewhere?

[Anonymous No.7482624]

>>7482606
>Pigma's such a piece of shit even dinosaurs on a savage backwater planet know about how much of a piece of shit he is

Wouldn't surprise me.

[Anonymous No.7482719]

>>7482459
To be fair practically the entire cast was redesigned, partly because switching to 2D meant the game can look more like an evolved version of the previous games instead of its own style. I'm convinced the only reason Flint is still recognizable is because he was the player character shown off the most in the N64 era. I do prefer the N64 designs (or at least clothing) they settled on for Lucas & Claus however, they look more appropriate to the setting than the traditional striped shirts of the GBA final. It's not too far off from the version earlier in development that looked like Ness though.
>>7482606
>>There are SOME slightly darker moments in Star Fox Adventures that are being overlooked here,
>oblique Pigma reference
Not as unlikely as you think, Randorn mentions regretting what happened with Pigma in one of this build's lines.
>compilation of all the failure scenes
To my knowledge there isn't an Adventures failure scene compilation but we should have one to compare with Dinosaur Planet.

[Anonymous No.7482759]

>>7482143
Duke Nukem Forever
>>7466240
is this considered more fun than the gamecube version?

[Anonymous No.7482760]

>>7482531
>I do think the Queen CloudRunner dying is unnecessary, especially with Kyte out of the picture,
I don't think there's any way of knowing this, but I BET this was going to be undone in the ending via time travel. It just seems really odd that they'd give Kyte this arc about becoming the new queen when Tricky doesn't have a similar experience with King EarthWalker. I think the partners were both supposed to grow up during the course of the adventure but not be ready to succeed their parents. Of course, I could be totally off the mark here.

[Anonymous No.7482762]

>>7482759
DNF was all smoke and mirrors until Gearbox shit out one of the single worst FPS titles of all time.

[Anonymous No.7482767]

>>7482760
Well Sabre's Parents didnt die. but Krystal's did

[Anonymous No.7482775]

>>7482759
>is this considered more fun than the gamecube version?
Not in its current state, which is very touchy and prone to breaking. The takeaway here is the potential for something greater than we got due to the looming buyout rushing development when they switched to GameCube (Rare literally couldn't spare a single day in the end). Many of the story elements and some of the gameplay mechanics already show more promise. It will be patched to be more playable thanks to decompilation.

[Anonymous No.7482781]

>>7482404
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtkCIMZGSlg

[Anonymous No.7482806]

>>7470490
>Because DP she got to the planet via a magic portal from Randorn.
Is that still true in this build? I listened to the vocal datamine and it seems here they were investigating Scales' technology since one of his ships (presumable the one near Tricky) resembles one of Andross's, and they managed to enlist "Fox" because Randorn was apparently a friend of James.
>>7469731
>How did she know how to speak Dinosaur?
She studied the manual since it's practically identical to English, it's to show that Fox is a lazy motherfucker relying on technology.
>>7470505
>Surely a visitor from a civilized planet would be wearing more than a chest wrap and loincloth.
I presumed that was just the customary dress manner on her planet. As for HOW she got there, you see her ship in the ending cutscene.
Speaking of Krystal, this reminds me...
>Dinosaur Planet had her as a tough magical girl with an adoptive father holding a dark secret.
>Star Fox Adventures relegates her backstory to vague mentions that'll never be elaborated upon, made her into a weirdly sexified damsel after the prologue wherein saving her revives Andross.
>Star Fox Adventures turns her into a boring sub-Slippy replacement for Peppy whose role in the story is to get the team back on Sauria which distracts them from the invasion of Corneria City.
>Star Fox Command depicts her as a -bitch-.
>Star Fox Zero re-reboots the series and only gives Sauria a passing mention in The Battle Begins short, finally returning the team to the status quo.
Imagine being Krystal's original character designer and watching your daughter go down this path.

[Anonymous No.7482817]

>>7480521
Andross getting killed off here is what marked the death of the franchise and made it succumb to endless SF64 reboots. They had no idea what do to after this. Even with incorporating Star Fox into the narrative, why did Rare think it was a good idea to bring in Andross?

[Anonymous No.7482843]

>>7482806
I presume she stole the ship or the SharpClaw Army gave it to her, otherwise she has no business riding a pterodactyl at the beginning (and you mean Star Fox: Assault).
>>7482817
I mean it didn't have an IMMEDIATE effect, but yeah you can say it sparked the downfall of the series. I lot of people are saying the buyout deadline did this game in but given how Star Fox has been handled afterwards to mixed degrees I'd say Miyamoto or someone close to him did more than just suggest Fox McCloud after it became a Star Fox game. I wouldn't be surprised if Rare had a treatment like >>7473563 but Nintendo shot it down.

[Anonymous No.7482873]

>>7482817
>Even with incorporating Star Fox into the narrative, why did Rare think it was a good idea to bring in Andross?
I presume it's to give a payoff to mastering the Arwing sections, and Nintendo probably mandated it. It is kinda sorta explained in optional dialog why he might be back but it's not followed through in later games at all.

[Anonymous No.7482879]

>>7482817
Did you know Miyamoto was a lead producer for Starfox Adventure?

[Anonymous No.7482930]

>>7482719
Now that I think about it, white shirts then striped shirts after modernization would've been kino

[Anonymous No.7482938]

>>7475483
Presumably the one where Scales tosses an unarmed girl off fits better since it's an earlier draft had Drakor attack the palace (see pic), contradicting the "nice little chat"; have that EarthWalker croak before he can reveal who did it, leaving Krystal to assume Scales was just there, and Randorn went along with it at first as he doesn't want to talk about Drakor (and if Krystal asks why he can't take the "pure of heart" trial he'd have being unable to leave the room as an excuse, planting the idea that he may not be telling the whole story). That, and intro text makes Scales' dialog redundant. Adjust a few lines so Krystal denies being from another planet and make it clearer Scales started his conquest now. Literally only thing we miss out is his belt established instead of later in the CloudRunner Fortress but that was the initial plan as SOMEONE was supposed to fall off the ship anyway (albeit after plot-convenient lightning).
>>7473671
Well it never sat right with me that the final game treats the last boss as an infinite retry event. I'd raise stakes and make losing use a Duster/Bafomdad. Also have Scales keep his belt until the very end, SharpClaw taking it signified his downfall but we know now that it was intended as a Kamerian artifact. If Scales has a moment of clarity, he can toss it at the Kamerian Heart, destroying both (tho I notice you call it "his" Heart, so you mean it's part of Drakor's body here?). OR let's say Drakor can warp/cloak himself during first phase, when Scales shows up, he destroys the belt in front of him, disabling Drakor's ability to do it. SharpClaw can be holding something like his claw at the end. And to prevent a "Staff in ending" error, have Krystal lose Fox's PDA while falling after Drakor so Fox can't communicate with her.
>>7473704
SnowHorn and HighTop oughta at least be mixed in, they get the short end of the stick.
Solid A Gold Star man/ma'am.

[Anonymous No.7483647]

How about we should have a game that revolves mostly around Krystal's ass and her loincloth.

Make it a kickstarter project.

That is my decree, it shall be done.

[Anonymous No.7483657]

>>7483647
That flash game already exists.

[Anonymous No.7483673]

>anon finally delivered

Based. Sucks that you wish to be anonymous, would love to follow any galleries you have even if they're just edits

[Anonymous No.7483710]

Are we expecting anything else cool from this leak, or has pretty much everything good been mined now?

[Anonymous No.7483720]

>>7466240
Looks bad

[Anonymous No.7483737]

>>7483710
There's plenty left to find, but it will take a while to get it all playable

[Anonymous No.7483951]

>>7483710
This particular build? its waiting for gamesharks and decomps mainly.
If your after more builds of the game I wouldnt hold your breath anytime soon

[Anonymous No.7484119]

>>7483673
first edit ive taken past a few minutes actually. I only started it thinking it would be quick but it kept improving

[Anonymous No.7484259]

>>7482759
>Duke Nukem Forever
DNF2001 needed a lot more work to be finished. This is usually the problem with cancelled games. Think of game like Kameo. It was on the N64, on the GC, on the Xbox, and finally on 360. At no point did they have a near-finished game on any of those platforms due to constant retooling and scope creep and unnecessary project direction changes. Dinosaur Planet is simply unusual in how ambitious it is, how much content it has, and how close to release it was.
>>7483951
Someone had access to the E3 build, but when that little tard threw his tantrum over GoldenEye XBLA last year, it blew the deal. The E3 build would have been useful for reference, and would have contained earlier story draft voice acting and stuff. There's a slim possibility we'll still get it at some point, but don't count on it.

[Anonymous No.7484318]

>>7484259
E3 also has working Galadon so could be useful for bugfixing. I mean it would be nice to get it a bit later down the line to not split the decomp teams

[Anonymous No.7484545]

>>7483647
Isn't there a Krystal porn game kickstarter somewhere?

[Anonymous No.7484820]

>>7473671
>>7482938
God I can imagine.
>Krystal takes a deep breath then draws Staff.
>Mountainside begins to crumble, she begins to fall down to a strange metaphysical area.
>Star Fox Communicator slips off her wrist, she tries to reach out for it but a metallic hand crushes it, her eyes veer upward to see Drakor laughing down.
>She lands on a floating rock, commence phase one, which is not too dissimilar to the final game.
>During phase two, begins warping like General Scales, a fair bit trickier.
>Phase three, the Galleon makes its appearance in the distance with Scales and three crewmates on it.
>"From Hell's Heart, I take vengeance upon thee..." *takes belt off*
>ohshit.gif
>"...KAMERIAN DRAGON!" *knees belt in half, causing Drakor to spaz out and lose camo*
>omgwtf
>"Animal Girl! I call a truce. For now, just point me at the enemy!" You've gained the Galleon Command! Use it to fry Drakor out of the sky!
>Phase four, Drakor is grounded. It's just you and Drakor, putting your Staff skills to the ultimate test.
>Phase five, Drakor's Heart is exposed. Attack while it's uncovered.
>"If I go down," *rips Kamerian Heart out of chest, holding it aloft* "I'm taking you with me!"
>The Galleon dives down as the ground begins to crumble away.
>"My planet does not die to the likes of you!"
>Scales jumps off the ship dramatically.
>"Long...Live...Dinosaur...Planet!"
>As Scales pierces the Kamerian Heart there is a brilliant white flash blinding Krystal.
>Slowly fade to Krystal. A claw carefully nudges her shoulder. She opens her eyes to see herself surrounded by the SharpClaw. Camera zooms out as she's on the Galleon. She takes a defensive position but they wave their hands and laugh, one of them handing Krystal the broken Kamerian Belt. No sign of Scales or Drakor. She confusingly accepts it and they cheer as the Galleon rises triumphantly towards the palace to dock. (You see later that she made a makeshift Staff sheath out of it.)
Kuh...kino...!

[Anonymous No.7485004]

>>7484820
You mean Ludo.

[Anonymous No.7485015]

>>7482017
Why is m00t in the centre?

[Anonymous No.7485017]

>>7482031
There was a small community excited for DP coming out ever since it was announced, you stinking revisionist.

[Anonymous No.7485046]

>>7479417
>This is just a shot in the dark, but I have a hunch the electrocution (and, to a lesser extent, the flames in the cabin Scales emerges from in his introduction) was supposed to hint at his boss battle. Maybe fire heals/energizes him and electricity stuns/damages him, and you were supposed to find a way to generate electricity in the arena.
Did you sit there and autistically flap your hands while you theorycrafted potential boss mechanics for a decades-old game, anon?

[Anonymous No.7485132]

>>7482393
>I know there's some YouTube playlist claiming several tracks unused but it has a number of those wrong.
Based playlist knower

[Anonymous No.7485163]

Just checking in. Has any significant discoveries been made? Anyone make it to the credits yet? Any news if people are working on stabilizing the game and shit?

[Anonymous No.7485165]

>>7484318
Why would the boss be functional in an earlier build of the game only to become buggier later on? What's the reason behind this?

[Anonymous No.7485180]

>>7485165
First rule of programming: changing anything can break anything else, regardless of how connected they may or may not be

[Anonymous No.7485197]

>>7485163
No credits roll or endscreen is programmed into the game, the game is unbeatable in it's current state. Not all of it's content is accessible and some of it is still missing. Significant discoveries would probably be-
>The ROM Itself
>Kamerian Heart's Model
>Drakor Boss Battle
>Krazoa Palace
There are some other discoveries that could be considered minor and some which I'm uncertain if they exist. I don't know how useful it will all be in creating a finished version of the current ROM.

>>7485180
Then why would having an earlier build help if the boss could've became buggy due to other issues?

[Anonymous No.7485446]

Sorry if a dumb or outdated question but what is the "kiosk" version of SFA I keep hearing about?
It's said to contain most of the final version of DP's files, but obviously doesn't contain the N64 engine driver, however does seem to have the event & object scripting data which would be helpful.
I mean people obviously have an editor & viewer for it.
But there's like no trace of the image ever existing anywhere accessible, only a few gamecube demo disks mentioned, unless that is it.

[Anonymous No.7485461]

>>7485446
It's a demo disc intended for store kiosks. It contains a lot of DP files, including copies of its dlls. a lot of maps chunks in various stages of completion, and so on. The iso is floating around somewhere. This breaks down the files it includes.
https://tcrf.net/Proto:Star_Fox_Adventures/July_2002_Demo/Dinosaur_Planet_Leftovers

[Anonymous No.7485509]

>>7485446
I think its the e3 gamecube demo for sfa. The one they had on the tradeshow floor.

[Anonymous No.7485513]

>>7485163
people are still trying to see if it's possible to access areas with glitches or sequence breaking. youre not going to see a rom patch for months if not years.

[Anonymous No.7485517]

>>7484119
stop pls n64 krystal is not for lewds thx

[Anonymous No.7485518]

>>7485513
I don't know if I would say *years*. Never underestimate the power of concentrated autism

[Anonymous No.7485519]

>>7485509
Wait no it seems to be from some multi game demo disc. Whoops.

[Anonymous No.7485671]

>>7485517
You havn't even seen my nude version

[Anonymous No.7485741]

>>7482938
>Scales was supposed to fall off the ship after flying too close to stormclouds and originally wasn't responsible for Warlock Mt. / Krazoa Palace attack.
What a ridiculously lame villain, you can see Rare started to change events by this build but he still has a ridiculous first few scenes and Krystal more or less still acts like he fell off the ship to his doom. Not to mention the pacing is whack: gotta park the ship, oops lets find Randorn to free Kyte (even though checking in on him is enough motivation with dying Earthwalkers), reach Randorn, get back to the ship, whoops Scales retook his ship, lets go all the way back to Randorn again and finally we make game progress. Save for silly language the final Scales/Galleon introduction is better in every way.
>>7484820
Galleon being reused for something like the final boss would have been a neat way to book-end things but Rare intended on making General Scales totally blind to Drakor's plan and having him go out like a sick puppy. Besides, if he was still around at that point he would try to kill two birds with one stone. His Sharpclaw crew can just defect on their own but have crap aim to justify your guidance.

[Anonymous No.7485789]

>>7485197
Having the earlier build would help because "buggy" could just mean for whatever reason they didn't want the boss accessible in this build. (all depends on what the purpose of this build was) it could be alternativly it could be a very stupid bug like for instance the reason the swapstone doesn't teach tricky distract in the cutscene is because for some reason he teaches Tricky Ball instead (regardless of if you have ball or not)

[Anonymous No.7485809]

>>7485741
Scales is literally Trent Easton from Perfect Dark. Provided with technology by Mr Blonde/Drakor, and ultimately expendable.

[Anonymous No.7485810]

>>7485180
2nd rule: all videogames have terrible programming, no exceptions

[Anonymous No.7485814]

>>7484119
glad you kept pecking at the ears the final is very good

[Anonymous No.7485864]

>>7485671
Go on

[Anonymous No.7485889]

>>7485671
Well?
You can't just tease us like that anon.

[Anonymous No.7486767]

>>7485165
>Why would the boss be functional in an earlier build of the game only to become buggier later on? What's the reason behind this?
In OoT 0.9, loading zones trigger later than the released versions. You wouldn't notice this unless you're an autist. It seems the reason loading zones were changed was because having slightly later loading zones created some issues with certain loading zones. By "fixing" this and making the loading zones trigger quicker, it became possible to clip into said loading zones far more easily like the loading zone past the barrier in Ganon's Castle. This simple "fix" to loading zones actually created more exploitable glitches and skips.

Dinosaur Planet was like the magnum opus of the N64. It shouldn't be surprising that Galadon was functional then wasn't considering the scope of the game, and how they effectively had given up on an N64 release. Why fix something that doesn't need to really be fixed until much later, or at all?

[Anonymous No.7487659]

>>7485165
Not necessarily buggier. depending on the purpose of the build they could have just disabled Galadon's spawning as it wasnt relevant to what the build was for.

[Anonymous No.7487662]

furfags should yiff in hell

[Anonymous No.7487874]

>>7487662
I mean yes but I fail to see how that applies here

[Anonymous No.7487917]

>>7487662
I'm proud of you son.

[Anonymous No.7488836]

>>7485864
>>7485889
Right, here we go. nsfw link

https://files.catbox.moe/3j9a7r.png

Things I might do later is clean up the line and make high res releases, and do this possessed krystal I was playing with

[Anonymous No.7489243]

>>7488836
Possessed version is superior.

[Anonymous No.7489262]

>>7488836
Extremely based

[Anonymous No.7489369]

>>7488836
I have to admit, this is great. Nicely done, anon.

[Anonymous No.7490178]

>>7481932
Do you understand why there’s more of an incentive to put work into a game that has been lost and the fascination of many for 20 years, than games that plays fine the way they are?

[Anonymous No.7490206]

>>7488836
very squishy and soft looking.

[Anonymous No.7491253]

So, the unofficial SFA comic adaptation (a full rewrite with elements of DP and original ideas put in) is still alive (in secret), and the creator shared this with everyone for making people wait too long for an update. Rainbow effect courtesy of the Sun.

[Anonymous No.7491268]

>>7491253
>Being hyped for furry fanction

[Anonymous No.7491273]

>>7466240
Too bad it runs at 10 frames a second

[Anonymous No.7491334]

This is now a log Krystal thread.

[Anonymous No.7491345]

>>7488836
I'm not a furry BUT

[Anonymous No.7491427]

>>7491268
Why yes, I can enjoy a GOOD fanfiction every now and then, weeb.

[Anonymous No.7491920]

>>7491334

[Anonymous No.7491931]

>>7491920
I don't understand

[Anonymous No.7491954]

>>7491920
You smug bastard.

[Anonymous No.7491963]

>>7491334

[Anonymous No.7491993]

>>7491920
You should be in jail for math crimes

[Anonymous No.7492564]

>>7491920
Low IQ here. I dun giddit.

[Anonymous No.7492729]

>>7492564
You never passed advanced geometry.

[Anonymous No.7492751]

>>7491253
I wish them all the best. It's a terrible balancing act and these furry fanbases are prone to all sorts of autism.

[Anonymous No.7492757]

>>7491931
Logarithmic curve?

[Anonymous No.7493596]

>>7491253
>the unofficial SFA comic adaptation
which one theres like at least 3 of the things

[Anonymous No.7493706]

How completed is the released build? Can you actually beat the game? I've seen shockingly little about it in the media considering how mysterious and bizarre its history was. I figured "missing N64 Rare game" would be getting more buzz, or is it just shit?

[Anonymous No.7493729]

>>7493706
>How completed is the released build? Can you actually beat the game?
I don't know for sure how much, but right now you can't beat it completely

>I've seen shockingly little about it in the media considering how mysterious and bizarre its history was.
Probably because the best way to play it currently is to run it through an n64 flashcart since it gets rather fucky when running in an emulator, and those fucking everdrives/flashcarts are expensive

[Anonymous No.7493790]

>>7493729
>and those fucking everdrives/flashcarts are expensive
>One time payment of $60 for hundreds of games that fairly cost $70 when released and non-commercial games like this.
Tough decision.

[Anonymous No.7493791]

>>7493729
>and those fucking everdrives/flashcarts are expensive

Let's see.
>Buy one new game or
>One time payment of $60 for hundreds of games including some of the best games ever that fairly cost $70 when released and non-commercial games like this.
gee let me think.

[Anonymous No.7493806]

>>7493791
>>7493790
>drop 60 bucks plus shipping to try out one game, and that assuming you also have a working n64
>vs. downloading some files and installing a program without spending a dime
Gee fucking wiz, why aren't more people out there trying it out?
I agree that its weird that there isn't much talk about it among people who collect this kind of stuff or just are into n64 games, but even something like 60 bucks is too much for someone who's just curious about the demo and not that interested in the rest of the n64 stuff.

[Anonymous No.7493891]

The game runs fine on decent emulators, that rumour was started by brainlets that use pj64, utorrent, and Internet Explorer.

[Anonymous No.7493901]

>>7493891
what would be the reccomended settings/emulators to run it then? Never messed with n64 emulation much so i'm out of the loop on tat.

[Anonymous No.7493917]

>>7493901
RetroArch, mupen64 plus next core - set it to use ParaLLEl RDP/RSP plugins, 4x resolution, and fullspeed framerate.

[Anonymous No.7493942]

>>7493917
thanks man! thats going to be a ton of help.
honestly i wouldn't be surprised if there were more people getting shitty results (even with retroarch) just because they don't know how to configure this stuff proper.

[Anonymous No.7494057]

>>7491334
Why the log reminds me so much of this?

[Anonymous No.7494065]

>>7493891
It runs fine on pj64 too provided you're using the right plugs

[Anonymous No.7494428]

Is N64 hacking scene even able to restore this game completely? It would require a ton of huge edits, adding the entire ending and all, and I don't remember ever seeing anything more complex than level edits for N64 games.

[Anonymous No.7494454]

>>7492751
Well, it's being made in real time, so I don't know how it'll end. But so far, the writing is already better than SFA as is, which is what was promised.

>>7493596
I don't know of any other full colo(u)r webcomics.

[Anonymous No.7494493]

>>7494428
Kaze makes a ton of custom scripting for Mario 64 using Assembly. It is possible, but would require a special effort.

[Anonymous No.7494631]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3tzy30ZFLQ

[Anonymous No.7494734]

By the artist behind the above comic.

[Anonymous No.7494771]

>>7494493
Kaze is good but I hope he wouldn't embellish the story too much. That OoT/MM romhack he made recently was a bit autistic.

[Anonymous No.7494776]

>>7473750
>>7473779
>>7474654
>>7474894
>>7474901
>>7475483
>>7477501
>>7482938
>>7484820
>>7485741
I appreciate all of your kind words and constructive criticism!

[Anonymous No.7494824]

>>7494631
You OK there Krystal?

[Anonymous No.7495883]

>>7494734
>or this??
do NOT bully the tiny digging friend

[Anonymous No.7495904]

>>7495883
fuck that

[Anonymous No.7496504]

>>7494428
I can't find the exact interview at the moment, but I distinctly remember reading that there are those within Rare who still wanted to somehow revisit Dinosaur Planet after Star Fox Adventures. I know ex/covert-Rare must at least be lurking for any big developments. Are they going to anomymously contribute to restoration efforts? Have they already posted in these threads? Is that why there's so much hacking optimism?

[Anonymous No.7496585]

>>7467360
Thank God for people like this.

[Anonymous No.7496610]

>>7483673
cute

[Anonymous No.7496625]

>>7496504
>spoiler
I mean if there are the biggest help would be to throw the development repo up onto anonfiles