/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7454204]

Ports that surpasses the original game?

[Anonymous No.7454273]

>>7454204

[Anonymous No.7454282]

[Anonymous No.7454294]

[Anonymous No.7454541]

>>7454204
>extra modes
>unlockable weapons with a wide variety of strengths and weaknesses
>fully acted out multiple endings for each character, instead of lame text crawls
>3 soundtracks: OST, arranged, and original
Along with Tekken 3, Namco really went the extra mile for their PS1 ports.

[Anonymous No.7454592]

>>7454541
Not to mention the opening cinematic, which was all kinds of cheesy and/or awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtF80UCgarY

I loved the interactive/alternate endings too; I wasn't aware they weren't in the original Soul Edge though I had seen the cabinet around a couple times. The Edge Master mode was amazing as well; some of the trials to unlock the extra weapons were downright sadistic.

Namco went fucking all out with these home ports, specially considering how few fucks other companies such as Capcom gave.

[Anonymous No.7454630]

Change my mind.

[Anonymous No.7454683]

>>7454541
Namco kept up their habit for amazing poets through the PS2 as well. Time Crisis 3 has tons of extra content, makes an amazing game even better.

[Anonymous No.7454697]

>>7454683
Didn't the first Time Crisis' PS port have like a literal entire game's worth of new levels?

[Anonymous No.7454793]

>>7454204

How did this surpass the arcade original?

[Anonymous No.7454889]

>>7454793
It snes therefore betterer

[Anonymous No.7454905]

[Anonymous No.7454913]

>>7454793
Apparently it has extra levels and incorporated a special chip so the game could still scale sprites up and down like in the arcade game.

[Anonymous No.7454928]

>>7454913
It's got tons of new and rearranged content like >>7454273, but there was no new tech involved iirc. The scaling effects in non-mode 7 stages were done by "baking" simplified versions of the enemy scaling animations as different sprite frames, instead of actually hardware-scaling a single frame.

[Anonymous No.7454958]

>>7454793
Turtles in Time SNES added hitstun on enemies and there were also some changes made to some bosses.
In the arcade there's no boss at the end of Sewer Surfin and on the SNES there's the Ratking,
SNES added the Technodrome as a stage and you fight Shredder by throwing enemies at him. Tokka and Rahzar are the halfway boss here.
In the arcade, Skull and Crossbones has Tokka and Rahzar as the boss. On SNES you have swashbuckling versions of Bebop and Rocksteady.
In arcade, there's this strange muckman that's the boss of Prehistoric Turtlesaurus. They replaced him with Slash on SNES.
Neon Night Riders takes advantage of Mode 7 on the SNES ands adds some visual flair to one of the last stages.
The arcade game has the advantage of looking and sounding better while the SNES game has the advantage of playing better, having an extra stage, and representing the property like way way better.

You're on /vr/, you should know this shit

[Anonymous No.7454974]

>>7454630
I remember the screenshot of the Shielder from the games catalogue poster that came with most Master System games, I always thought it was a giant metal frog.

[Anonymous No.7454986]

>>7454630
>Change my mind.
the master system sucked man

[Anonymous No.7454996]

>>7454630
Soulful but no

Now here is a Sega (Master) System game that surpasses the original

[Anonymous No.7455062]

>>7454630
I sat down and beat this one Saturday night about a year ago on real hardware. It was a fun experience. I only got frustrated once playing through it.

[Anonymous No.7455070]

>>7454986
Not for everything. GhostBusters is better on it than anything else.

[Anonymous No.7455145]

>>7454204

Let's be honest. Arcade games have better hardware than the contemporary home ports at the time (the only exception are modern remastered home ports). They represent the "original vision". Arcade games have better sound, better music, better graphics, better controls. It's not even about being biased. Home ports just don't have the technical specs to compete.

[Anonymous No.7455186]

>>7454958
The only downside is the lack of four player support which I really think could have been possible since the turtle sprites are all mostly the same.

[Anonymous No.7455190]

There are so many differences its almost a different game though.

[Anonymous No.7455231]

>>7455145
Not sure about inherently "better controls", but what you say was pretty much a given for most of the 80s and 90s, no "honesty" is necessary.

If you actually look at the serious replies in the thread, you can see examples of ports and adaptations that added extra content (and often design tweaks) to bridge the difference between a title designed for coin arcades and a worthwhile release for home systems. As the raw hardware power difference of both markets got blurred, so did the actual value of mere technical fidelity as well, which was only arguably decisive to begin with.

[Anonymous No.7455301]

>>7455186
The SNES didn't get a multitap until the next year after the game's release. I'm sure they would've at least tried to include it otherwise.

[Anonymous No.7455310]

>>7455301
It wasn't even a first-party peripheral even

[Anonymous No.7455315]

>>7455301
Huh just had to look it up. I'm actually shocked it came out that late. Some games like Super Bomberman and Mega Man X feel older than they are to me for some reason.

[Anonymous No.7455329]

Chrono Trigger on DS

[Anonymous No.7455338]

>>7455329
Nah, the only good extra content was already included on the PS port. The new stuff is dumpster-behind-a-sex-shop-tier garbage

[Anonymous No.7455382]

>>7454905
Excellent.

[Anonymous No.7456183]

>>7455338
But the PS1 port has load times

[Anonymous No.7456192]

A port so good that it not only surpass the original but killed arcades.

[Anonymous No.7456252]

>>7456183
They're not so bad, specially compared to the FF6 port

[Anonymous No.7456302]

>>7454958

I play arcade beat em ups lmao console beat em ups are not that great, neither is turtles in time btw

[Anonymous No.7456308]

>>7454273
objectively wrong, go fuck yourself and fuck off.

[Anonymous No.7456323]

>>7455329
I can't decide if I like the DS port better than the SNES original. I miss ye olde English from Frog, and I think the new content they added is atrocious, but that's pretty minor stuff so I guess I'd say it's just as good and give it bonus points for being handheld.

[Anonymous No.7456703]

>>7456252
It is for a game known for its seamless battle system.

[Anonymous No.7456742]

>>7454204

[Anonymous No.7456782]

>>7454793
the game mechanics are actually functional, other anon explains it better though

>>7454273
bold and not mistaken, ignore anyone who disagrees, they are wrong

>>7454905
nice one

>>7455145
>better specs = better game
where'd you wander in from

[Anonymous No.7456793]

>>7454204
Nobody posted gyrus for the NES yet?

[Anonymous No.7456891]

No question about it. Barely anyone finds the original arcade version fun to play except for bragging rights or if they are old japanese guys with nostalgia

[Anonymous No.7456916]

>>7456793
first thing that came to mind. love that damn game.

[Anonymous No.7457009]

>>7456742
They did it twice.

[Anonymous No.7457030]

The arcade version was so completely supplanted most people don't even realize it existed.

[Namefagging for added bait No.7457037]

>nightmare difficulty mode
>VMU tracks health and ammo
>60fps instead of 30

[Anonymous No.7457064]

>>7455315

Primitive gameplay

[Anonymous No.7457153]

>>7457064
It's probably because the SNES had fucktardly rapid technology bumps. The transition from 1993 to 1994 was insane. Mega Man X2 looks way more advanced than X1 but they're only a year apart. Throw in Super Metroid and Donkey Kong Country and it felt like a lot more time passed. Basically before 1994 the most impressive games were Star Fox and Mortal Kombat II.

[Anonymous No.7457181]

>>7456308
After you child.
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.7457193]

>>7456742
That's not a port dumbass.

[Anonymous No.7457198]

>>7454204
REmake on the PS4.

[Anonymous No.7457216]

[Anonymous No.7457229]

Easily for me

[Anonymous No.7457259]

>>7454204
I played both to death and the arcade is still better

[Anonymous No.7457465]

>>7454204
TMNT Turtles In Time Re-Shelled is way better.

[Anonymous No.7457474]

>>7457193
Actually it's the home version of the Arcade game. It had to adjust for a lot, since the arcade version used three monitors for a single ultra widescreen effect.

[Anonymous No.7457479]

>>7457037
>censored death scenes
>missing music tracks
No.

[Anonymous No.7457539]

>>7454273
came here to post this

[Anonymous No.7457543]

>>7457474
not him but you're retarded

[Anonymous No.7457545]

>>7454273
>>7457539
also that mock up screenshot is a big lol

the only way you could get 4 turtles to work in the NES version is if half the turtles look the same, same weapon, same palette

>that score and lives
How can they be so late in the game at only the 2nd scene?

[Anonymous No.7457546]

>>7457037
Dreamcast version is based on the PC version.

>>7457474
The game is called The Ninja Warriors "Again". It's not a port, it's a sort-a sequel. I say sorta because while the name implies that it is, the story never mentions the first game.

[Anonymous No.7457591]

>>7454958
I'd actually say SNES Turtles in Time wins in sound category as well, I like the remixes better.

[Anonymous No.7457674]

>>7454273
A lot of graphics, sprites and cutscenes alike, are pretty fucked up in TMNT2 NES. The game could have used another week of polishing. But it's still way better than the arcade version, the sprites and animations look awful in the arcade version, and the adition of the jump+slash attack in the NES version is what makes the game fun.

I wish I knew how to beat Krang without losing a life though. He's the only one that still gives me trouble.

[Anonymous No.7457706]

very minor, but i always loved the Xbox version of Metal Slug 3 (I guess the PS2 version was also the same game, but never tried that specific one)

To me its the definitive version to play, if only for a few minor additions. Like the only "change" I think actually made to the game was making the music in stage 1 ever so slightly better sounding then the arcade version and beyond that they added in 2 additional sub-games you unlock after clearing the game for the first time. In addition for those of you who cant get into playing arcade games that just give you the option to keep adding infinite continues and you have no sense of self-control, the game offers no such option and uses set lives for each stage, so while it may feel like they are taking away options from you for a home port, on the other head it really does make this version feel less like just playing an arcade game at home and more like a proper home game that you can actually fail at and need to keep replaying until you just naturally get good and beat it. I cant recall if any of the other non-compilation home ports of the MS games were designed this way or not

[Anonymous No.7457714]

>>7457465

[Anonymous No.7457748]

>>7454204
>>7454273
Not these. Get some friends, you faggots.

[Anonymous No.7457815]

>>7454204

[Anonymous No.7457826]

>>7454204

[Anonymous No.7457834]

>>7457826

[Anonymous No.7457839]

>>7457826
I don't think rereleases advertised as HD remasters count as "ports".
>>7457834
To be charitable to WWHD, I think still screenshots of it make it look way worse than it actually does. In motion, the bloom looks pretty good.

[Anonymous No.7457863]

Well, obviously the various sonic hd ports, but I heard physics were broken in the recent pc project.

[Anonymous No.7457873]

>>7454974
>with most Master System games
It was actually known as the Sega System

[Anonymous No.7457908]

>>7455301
Multitap for a SNES Beat em up? I doubt SNES could even display 1 enemy with all four turtles on screen.

[Anonymous No.7457921]

>>7457908
That's a good point. Final Fight games are limited to 3 enemies on screen for a reason.

And overall sprite limit is something I forgot about when I said this >>7457545
considering the size of the turtles and enemies, I doubt 4 turtles would be possible. 4' players games like Super Off Road or Nightmare on Elm Street have smaller characters.

[Anonymous No.7457924]

>>7457839
It isn't a rerelease, it's a proper port. Look in to the development of the port.

[Anonymous No.7457926]

>>7457924
Let me rephrase: I don't think HD remasters count as "ports".

[Anonymous No.7457927]

>>7457921
I owned a multitap for SNES and never even used it once. Secret of Mana was the only game that could take use of it....a fucking ARPG.

[Anonymous No.7457929]

>>7457927
You mean Seiken Densetsu 3, the sequel to SoM.

AFAIK SoM is only two players, although I think there is a 3 players romhack for it that takes advantage of the multitap.

Also yeah, Super Off Road was 4 players on NES, but only 2 players on SNES, how lame is that.

[Anonymous No.7457949]

>>7457929
While I've lost that multitap a long time ago I am positive it worked with Secret of Mana. It's not like I have memories of playing SNES 3-4 players like I did N64.

[Anonymous No.7457954]

>>7457929
>You mean Seiken Densetsu 3, the sequel to SoM. AFAIK SoM is only two players, although I think there is a 3 players romhack for it that takes advantage of the multitap.
Not him, but you have it backwards. SD3 really did lose three-player support outside of hacking.

[Anonymous No.7457959]

>>7457926
>Largely the original source code, made to work in a different system
They're "enhanced" ports. That's what marketers now like calling "remasters" since it carries connotations of higher quality and consoomers are fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.7457960]

>>7457929
You are wrong, Secret of Mana always had three player support

[Anonymous No.7458001]

>>7454204

[Anonymous No.7458018]

>>7456302
> I play arcade beat em ups lmao console beat em ups are not that great, neither is turtles in time btw

[Anonymous No.7458052]

the nes double dragon games are so much better than the arcade. man, I never realised how dogshit those games were until I beat them both in mame last night. the slow down is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.7458057]

also I recall Renegade being better on nes. the arcade is just like 4 static stages while I recall the nes game having actual levels

[Anonymous No.7458098]

>>7458018
>he has a folder for pictures of internet people he considers lame

How insecure are you?

[Anonymous No.7458119]

>>7457929
don't try to correct someone if you are not sure you are right

[Anonymous No.7458129]

>>7457229
Yup. Love the original Gyruss but the NES port just added so much more. Only downside is using the d-pad. Been meaning to try out the NES Advantage on it and see how that fairs.

[Anonymous No.7458630]

>>7457714
I'm correct because...

>Better graphics
>Better gameplay
>Better music
>Better presentation

[Anonymous No.7458687]

NES Contra is an obvious one.
X68000 Bosconian for the music alone.
Starting from the fifth generation, a lot of arcade ports were the same game with more content (Cleopatra Fortune, Rival Schools, Twinkle Star Sprites,...)

[Anonymous No.7459519]

>>7454541

I miss fighting games having insane bags of value and wacky solo modes

[Anonymous No.7459541]

>>7454204

PCE/MCD Snatcher

- Voice acting
- CD music replacing MIDIs
- Better animation during cutscenes
- 30% more game consisting of a final act and ending which the original did not have

The original was incredible for its time but the PCE/MCD versions blow it out of the water.

>>7454630

I love the Master System but you might actually be retarded.

[Anonymous No.7460180]

>>7454204
Arcade version is total dogshit, NES version is an all time classic.

[Anonymous No.7460192]

>>7454294
Mortal Kombat Advance sucks fucking dicks.
Ultimate Mortal Kombat on DS is kino though.

[Anonymous No.7460219]

>>7455190
>>7456891
based

[Anonymous No.7460228]

Pretty much most 5th gen games ported to the DC