/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.741923]

Guys, is a Master System worth getting? Is there any spectacular games for it?

[Anonymous No.741926]

yes and yes

[Anonymous No.741931]

Sonic games for SMS are actually quite different from Genesis and are really good.

Also wonder boy.

[Anonymous No.741940]

Absolutely. I've had my Power Base Converter for a while now and my favourite games are Shinobi, Heart of Darkness and Castle of Illusion. A number of SMS ports are superior to the NES counterparts as well, such as Bubble Bobble and Star Wars.

[Anonymous No.741954]

Thanks for the quick response. Are there any good JRPGs on it?

[Anonymous No.741978]

>>741954
Phantasy Star started on SMS.

[Anonymous No.742019]

>>741954
Not much, Dragon Crystal and Miracle Warriors.

There are also some borderliners such as the fantastic Zelda clone Golden Axe Warrior and Glovellius and Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap which are side-scrollers.

[Anonymous No.742052]

Can't have a Master System without Space Harrier :3

[Anonymous No.742073]

The official BR BR HUEHEUHE console.

[Anonymous No.742076]

The thing about this system is that it shared most of its library with the Game Gear, with the latter feeling more like a 90s era console.
I was going to recommend Sylvan Tale as an RPG but then I remembered it's GG only.

[Anonymous No.744008]

Dragon's Trap and Ghost House

[Anonymous No.744046]

There's a great version of R-Type on it. Pretty spendy, though.

[Anonymous No.744047]

>>742076
That's because the Game Gear is a Master System. Literally; you can even get an adaptor for it so it plays the cards.

[Anonymous No.744074]

With Master System, do you have to hold down reset for save battery games like NES games?

[Anonymous No.744105]

>>744074
I've owned my nes for 25 years, and have never held down reset when turning the power off and have never once lost a save file due to it .

[Anonymous No.744168]

I need to get a SMS. I never owned one as a kid. Never even knew anyone that had one. They were almost non-existent around here. I feel like I'm missing a piece of gaming history because I started my Sega adventures at the Genesis.

[Anonymous No.744197]

>>744047
No, you can't, some GG roms were hacked to run on a master system.
However, the Game Gear has more vram and colors than the SMS, and the Master System has a larger resolution than the Game Gear.

TecToy converted some GG games to the SMS in Brazil, because portable consoles never reall caught on here.

[Anonymous No.744210]

>>744047
Some Game Gear games were hacked to work on the Master System.
Even though both systems are really similar, the Game Gear has more vram and colors than the Master System, and Master System games run at a larger resolution than the Game Gear, making them incompatible with each other.

[Anonymous No.744226]

while (true){
BR BR BR HUEHUEHUE
}

[Anonymous No.744234]

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[Anonymous No.744246]

[Anonymous No.744247]

Anyone feel Sega should have at least updated the sound chip for the Master System?

[Anonymous No.744253]

[Anonymous No.744262]

>>744247
One of the OutRun games was capable of playing FM synth, like the Famicom version of Castlevania 3.
I don't know how exactly that worked, though.

[Anonymous No.744267]

>>744262
The Japanese MS had an FM sound add-on unit

[Anonymous No.744268]

To be honest I only actually played Mônica on real hardware.

[Anonymous No.744275]

>>742019
>Glovellius

Learn 2 spell

[Anonymous No.744276]

>>744267
But apparently only OutRun used it.

[Anonymous No.744282]

>>744247
>>744262
You have to play them on the Japanese Console, that has a better soundcard.

[Anonymous No.744284]

>>744276
>http://www.amazon.ca/gp/offer-listing/B000035XMK/ref=sr_1_11_up_0_olp?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1369974616&sr=1-11&condition=used
Konami used an expansion chip for CV3 to pull it off. Maybe that's what Sega did

[Anonymous No.744286]

>>744262
Akumajou Densetsu does not have an FM sound chip; it has two extra pulse waves and a sawtooth wave.

BIG difference.

[Anonymous No.744320]

>>744282
I understand now, I thought by add-on unit you meant an extra chip or something.
You can't really hear it if a game detects it's running in any region other than Japan.

[Anonymous No.744339]

Holy shit I found another one. This is new.
>tfw I just played through Phantasy Star with inferior sound

[Anonymous No.744359]

>>744339
Yeah, Phantasy Star on the Japanese system sounds better than 2 on the Genesis does.

Play it on emulator for how its supposed to sound.

Though I honestly don't like it all that much. it just has awesome music.

[Anonymous No.744360]

>>744241
AKA Psycho Fox

[Anonymous No.744363]

>>744339
>copyright: 1998
Almost broke the board rules there.
This is so bad it's great.

[Anonymous No.744368]

>>744360
You probably call decap attack magical turbo hat whatever.

I personally call it Kid Kool 2.

[Anonymous No.744372]

>>744359
The dungeons are mind-blowing for an 8-bit game. When my brother got this on Xmas Day and we went into the first dungeon jaws dropped.

[Anonymous No.744381]

Kenseiden is God Tier.

Play like a 16-bit game.

[Anonymous No.744402]

>>744381
*Plays

[Anonymous No.744403]

>>744372
It's impressive because Yuji Naka pulled it off in full screen.
Even later SNES games had to do window borders for first person.
Also they had multiple levels and holes in the floor you could fall through. I don't think any other dungeon crawler did that, let alone at the time. If only you could target individual monsters though....
Now back to brazilian kusoges.

[Anonymous No.744430]

Global Defense
Phantasy Star
Zillion
Psycho Fox
Zaxxon (disable 3D)
Space Harrier
Miracle Warriors is grindy and really just out there. Ehh on if its worth playing
Ys if you never have played it. By no means is it the definitive version.
Alex Kidd is fun, though hi-tech world
Blows big dick.

[Anonymous No.744447]

God Tier:
Wonderboy III: The Dragon's Trap
Phantasy Star
Kenseiden
R-Type
Space Harrier
Ys
Alex Kidd in Shinobi World

Great Tier:
Sonic the Hedgehog
Outrun 3D
Road Rash
Shinobi
Zillion
Wonderboy II
Cyborg Hunter
Shanghai
Penguin Land
Choplifter
Alex Kidd in Miracle World
Gauntlet

[Anonymous No.744456]

Guess what, we managed to get an exclusive that didn't suck. An amiga port, no less.
>The game was originally meant to be published in Europe by Virgin Games but got cancelled. Tec Toy then released it later in Brazil.

Jelly?
No seriously though, this is pretty neat. It's not even a Genesis or Snes port, no relation the the Nes puzzle game either. Awesome.

Most of the Game Gear to Master System ports you see were done by br programmers, because the Game Gear was never officially released around here they ported some of their games over to keep the SMS alive.

[Anonymous No.744460]

>>744456
>tfw Fire & Ice makes you think about the US name for Solomon's Keys 2

[Anonymous No.744470]

Mind-blowing:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRmTq2IN-OU

Gary Priest is a god amongst men.

[Anonymous No.744481]

>>744460
It's not. That's the NES puzzle I mentioned.
The one I posted is an amiga port of this game.
SMS Fire AND Ice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZasgmWj4gxw
Amiga Fire AND Ice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxWznpEcUIM

NES Solomon Key
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t782B0zK3Y

[Anonymous No.744492]

>>744460
Yeah, I thought the same thing.

[Anonymous No.744506]

If you're emulating, Kega lets you run Game Gear games in SMS resolution.

Sonic Triple Trouble is great and apparently Coca Cola Kid was made by the same team who did the 8bit Sonics. Highly recommended.

[Anonymous No.744512]

>>744506
Coca Cola Kid also has a fan translation

[Anonymous No.744542]

>>744506
Game Gear Aleste if you have a pixel fetish. Brand new game.

SMS Ninja Gaiden is pretty good, GG Ninja Gaiden is kinda garbage.

Master of Darkness is a good Castlevania clone.

The already mentioned Kenseiden.

I absolutely love the Monster Boy, but it's pretty unfairly hard, you're forced to fight all bosses twice to farm money, better go with the Genesis remake. Monster Boy 3 though, is actually legitimately great.

[Anonymous No.744554]

Anything involving disney characters or ILLUSION in the tile is great on this console.
There are like 3 mickey games and 2 donald games.
Also there are not so good demakes of alladin, lion king and jungle book.

[Anonymous No.744556]

>>744542
>tfw you liked GG Ninja Gaiden

[Anonymous No.744561]

>>744554
>alladin

Learn 2 spell

[Anonymous No.744573]

>>744554
The alladin one plays a bit like Prince of Persia + adventure game. Pretty weird, worth as a curiosity.

I think we named everything.

The thing about later titles though, is that they felt like they were trying to emulate their 16 bit counterparts too much, but don't feel quite right. Gunstar Heroes, Earthworm Jim, Tempo, they look nice in screenshots but ingame it's a choppy, slow mess, Tempo is interesting because it's a completely redesigned game from the 32x version.

Ristar GG though, is totally awesome you should check it out, play on Japanese locale because they added an extra planet no in the Genesis game.

[Anonymous No.744581]

>>744573
>alladin

Did you just miss the post above you?

[Anonymous No.744586]

>>744554
Forgot to put Castle of Illusion on my list. It's bloody brilliant.

[Anonymous No.744602]

Space Harrier 3D, if they remade it with the Space Harrier arcade sprite scaling, could be awesome.

Space Harrier 3D is much superior to Space Harrier 2.

[Anonymous No.744607]

>>744581
I just found out GG Aleste had a direct sequel under the name Power Strike 2.
Wow.

I didn't like GG Ninja Gaiden, btw, I said it was kinda garbage.

[Anonymous No.744617]

>>744607
Power Strike, another SMS classic, ranks alongside R-Type.

[Anonymous No.744637]

>>744607
This is weird, even though Aleste was one of the 4 games I actually owned, it was never released outside of Japan. And now I found out it actually had a sequel.

The anime intro reminded me of Arrow Flash which was like the first videogame I ever played (and it's pretty bad).
I still think it looks beautiful in that tiny resolution.

[Anonymous No.744646]

>>744105
Really? It happens to me every time.

[Anonymous No.744736]

>>744372
Not saying it isn't impressive. I don't like any of those first person RPGs. I get lost even WITH a map.

I have like half a dozen of the things for MS-DOS and don't care for those, either.

[Anonymous No.744903]

>>744381
How many levels are there?

[Anonymous No.744931]

>>744903
16 levels
7 Bosses

[Anonymous No.745284]

>>741923
>Guys, is a Master System worth getting?
They're a bit expensive. They cost more than NES.

[Anonymous No.745957]

>>744736
send em to me.

[Anonymous No.745968]

>>745284
really?

I see them for $20 all the time, I hardly ever see NES's and when i do people want $60-$70 for them

[Anonymous No.745987]

This thread has piqued my interest in Master System and Game Gear.

Are there any important general facts about them? ie. This variant won't play X games, the system is region-free, some common hardware problems that are easy to fix, etc?

I'm thinking stuff like NES lockout chip or replacing the 72 pin connector, stuff like that but for these two platforms.

Thanks all for allowing an interesting thread to prosper about what seems to be a not well known system (mostly in the US).

[Anonymous No.745990]

Hey /vr/ I own Psycho Fox for the Master System, but I don't own one, I bought it because I thought MD was backwards compatible.

I'm thinking of getting a Power Base or a master system, is it a good game. I've seen it go for like £40 online.

[Anonymous No.748696]

What the hell is up with the compatability of this thing? I know Japan has three different 'mark X' models and then the master system, but does that itself differ from the US/EU master system? And what about special hardware to one localization, like the FM chip in the JP systems?

[Anonymous No.748762]

The Master System has some great games, but keep in mind that with a good Mega Drive flash cart you can play all MS games on the Mega Drive. Although I own Master Systems I only use them for games I own the original cartidges for. Even then I plug in a Mega Drive controller because the Master System controllers are rather poor.

So if you're a flash cart guy, don't bother with the MS hardware unless it's a Japanese one with improved sound.

[Anonymous No.748775]

>>748762
Is there a flash cart that fits the JP SMS?

[Anonymous No.748803]

>>744210
OK, Buddy whatever

[Anonymous No.748863]

>>745990
Psycho Fox kinda sucks. I love Vic Tokai as much as the next guy, but it's pretty much the same as Kid Kool and Decap Attack. Decap Attack is probably the most polished of the three, but they're all pretty terrible. Get a Power Base or a SMS anyway, but I'd recommend selling Psycho Fox.

[Anonymous No.748937]

>>748863
>Vic Tokai

Is that a person's name? I only know now it from buying Golgo 13 today.

>>748775
Isn't there a Master Everdrive?

[Anonymous No.748947]

>>748696
Sega's first game console was the SG-1000. It was very similar to the Colecovision--same CPU, same video chip and same audio chip, though the two consoles aren't compatible. Sega sold several versions of the SG-1000 in Japan and in other Pacific Rim countries, some of which were home computers with keyboards (again similarly to Coleco, who sold the Coleco Adam, which was a home computer that played Colecovision cartridges)

The first Sega console that wasn't a minor variation of the SG-1000 was the Mark III. It was backward compatible with SG-1000 games but supported much more advanced graphics in games natively written for it. It's called the Mark III because the last SG-1000 variant to be sold in Japan was called SG-1000 II.

The Master System is the international version of the Mark III. Like the Famicom and the NES, the consoles and cartridges look very different and aren't compatible with each other.

The Mark III and the Master System have an expansion slot on the back for peripherals. AFAIK nothing was sold in North America that plugged into the expansion slot (the 3D glasses plugged into the card slot) but one of the peripherals you could get in Japan was the FM Sound Unit, which allowed games written to support it to play enhanced music.

The biggest source of confusion about 8-bit Sega hardware is probably the Japanese Master System. The Japanese Master System looks almost exactly like an international Master System, but has the following differences:

1) The cartridge slot is designed for Mark III cartridges, not international Master System cartridges
2) The Reset button present on both the Mark III and the international Master System is replaced by a Turbo (autofire) button
3) The FM Sound Unit that was a peripheral for the Mark III is built into the console

In other words, it looks like a Master System, but it's really more like a redesigned and enhanced Mark III.

[Anonymous No.748950]

>>748937
The Japanese cart slot is smaller. Not sure but I think the Master Everdrive is designed to only fit in the US/EU SMS.

[Anonymous No.748972]

>>741923
Ninja Gaiden. Best one I've ever played.

[Anonymous No.749003]

>>748947
So what's the best model to get? JP Master System with an adapter for US/EU carts? I read that some EU games don't work on non-EU systems, so perhaps you want an EU system just in case?

[Anonymous No.749395]

>>749003
The best thing to get is a Genesis Master System adapter on a good Genesis.

[Anonymous No.749450]

>>741923
most of the games mentioned above are good enough

I would add the ghouls n ghosts port, zillion and spellcaster

[8BitAdam No.750272]

My opinion of the Masters System is that it's okay. It's definitely fun to play and there are some really fun and classic titles but unless you can find one for cheap, I would say move on to something better. The NES wins my vote for the best 8-bit consul and Sega destroys on 16-bit so go with one of those and just skip the Masters System.

[Anonymous No.750316]

>>748972
>Master system ninja gaiden
After opening the file and seeing (E) and prototype only, doubt became strong. Loaded the file thinking it would be one of those weird euro/brazil only games.

I was wrong. Wrong as fuck. Thanks internet person.

[Anonymous No.750367]

>>744339
Emilia is my waifu.

[Anonymous No.750374]

>>750367
I have a feeling this game could have done really well in Japan if they gave her a catchy theme made her could shoot bullets.

[Anonymous No.750386]

>>750374
She's about the only good thing about this game though.
How the hell do you get past this screen...

[Anonymous No.750530]

>>749395
That will play everything I assume?

[Anonymous No.750532]

>>750386
Use a rope pull.

[Anonymous No.750581]

>>744276
http://segaretro.org/FM_Sound_Unit

Even some non jap releases were compatible

[Anonymous No.750585]

>>744234
>Chapulín Colorado game
>in BR land

Wait, what? The character was made by a mexican comedian. How come they released a game based on it over there and here we didn't get any such game, despite this being the country of origin?

[Anonymous No.750616]

>>744447
Stuck in your ears forever tier:
Snail Maze

[Anonymous No.750668]

>>750585
Chaves (El Chavo del Ocho) is still popular to this day here in bananaland.
I can't explain why either, every br loves it.

[Anonymous No.750691]

>>750668
Btw I just beat it, probably the wrost game I've ever played.

Férias Frustradas do Pica Pau actually had jump physics and better music, seems like a different team did this abortion.

[Anonymous No.750734]

>>750691
I mean, look at the tile work in this picture.
See how the floating land connects seemlesly with blue void? That's some pro level design right there. HUE.

[Anonymous No.750739]

>>742019
>Golden Axe Warrior
The fucking hitboxes, the fucking hitboxes. It would have been a 10/10 game if only they had fixed the hitboxes.

[Anonymous No.750761]

Someone mentioned Penguin Land in the Single Screen Game thread. I watched a video, it seems pretty fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M54MJbmKnSE

>>741954
Check out Phantasy Star. It was released two days after the original Final Fantasy, but it's a way more advanced game, with much superior graphics, actual characters that develop, and a strong female lead, way back in 1987. It was really, really ahead of its time.

>>744047
>>744210
>>748803
You're both right. The GG contains a mostly improved variation of the Master System's hardware. Master System games will still run on it, the main problem being the decreased resolution making it impossible to see things that you are supposed to see on a TV. Games did have to be reprogrammed for the GG, but mostly to fit the action onto the smaller screen.

[Anonymous No.750827]

I have one, my favorite two games on it are Rastan and Kung-Fu Kid. The collection of games that I came to own weren't that great though.

[Anonymous No.751056]

>>744403
To be fair those first person SNES RPGs (assuming you're talking about SMT) tended to have much more detailed graphics, whereas Phantasy Star just had that one set of brick tiles recolored in a dozen different ways.

[Anonymous No.751068]

>>748937
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vic_Tokai

[Anonymous No.752380]

>>751056
>comparing snes to master system

[Anonymous No.752819]

>>752380
It's not particularly difficult to blindly copy a full screen of tile indices to the tile map every few frames. >>744403 implied that it was some kind of programming feat that Yuji Naka is a god for pulling off, when really, the impressive thing here is all the cartridge space spent on those tiles, and the judicious use of palette swapping to keep that one set from getting stale.

ROM wasn't that much cheaper in the 16-bit generation, so it still follows that if you wanted to have more variation than one or two environments, you have to cut the size of the 3D view down. Again, it's not "Yuji Naka is a god, these idiots can't even do full screen mazes on the SNES," but "damn all of these static graphics take up a lot of space, and we still have to fit the actual game in..."