/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7419223]

If I never played a Final Fantasy (or JRPG) is the FF:Origins collections a good place to start? Can just emulate it or play on ps3 I don't think it matters much

I'm not asking which versions are the best because I'm aware there is no definitive answer, just curious if it's a good pick for a new comer and I'd like opinions from people who played them. I played a bunch of classic Resident Evil titles this year for the first time and it was amazing, I'd like to catch up on some other series as well, especially since modern games appeal to me less and less

[Anonymous No.7419234]

yes it is

[Anonymous No.7419239]

>>7419223
Not really imo; you should probably go for something more accessible and broadly rewarding for regular players.

5th gen jRPGs are a good place to start, but if you feel something 2D is more appropriate go for a later 4th gen one like Final Fantasy VI or Chrono Trigger.

[Anonymous No.7419249]

it fixes the bugs, the originals were barely functioning, half the spells and attributes did nothing at all
I would say its a better place to start than the actual originals, enjoy yourself and turn the music up

[Anonymous No.7419254]

>>7419239
I'd like to start at the beginning, I meant to ask if FF:Origins is a good place to start playing FF1 and then 2
>>7419249
ah sounds like an easy deal then

[Anonymous No.7419274]

>>7419254
Most likely you know this, but there's no real continuity in the series, at least when it pertains to /vr/-compliant entries.

Of course you can start from 1 and 2, but although they're not exactly bad games they are extremely barebones in terms of the sort of frill that later became standard for the series and genre, including detailed settings and stories.

If you really have never played a single jRPG, I'd really recommend going in through something that gives you a little bit more to go on. It's fine to backtrack later and play them as a curiosity, but do consider the fact that there's no real benefit in playing them chronologically.

[Anonymous No.7419287]

>>7419274
there is a benefit to playing them chronologically but it's more so you can see the progress, missteps and evolution of the franchise, but yeah you're not going to wring any story or interconnected lore from it

[Anonymous No.7419290]

>>7419274
Yea I know, but I like to experience how well received series evolved mechanically over time, plus I'm autistic so skipping one is hard for me unless it's truly awful, kinda why I also have a hard time just picking up a version to play

Would you recommend I play something from some other series first maybe? I really never played a JRPG, maybe I should give Xenogears a go instead?

[Anonymous No.7419295]

>>7419249
Since OP is emulating I'd recommend just playing the WonderSwan versions with translation patch, they are the source of the PlayStation ports except with snappier load times and chiptune-esque OST.

[Anonymous No.7419297]

>>7419223
I'd recommend starting with 4, 6, or 7 for Final Fantasy. But origins is not a bad choice.

[Anonymous No.7419305]

>>7419254
I would go for the GBA versions over PS1 personally. But if the load times have been addressed in the PS3 version that should be fine.

You will find them pretty bones but both are still good and FF2 is among my favorites in the series. The only piece of advice I'll give is when you play 2, absolutely avoid exploiting it by attacking your own party members. Yes you can get very strong very quickly like that, and you can get end game equipment and spells before even going to the first normal dungeon, but that's the problem. All tension will leave the fights and the whole game becomes a boring slog of completely pointless, very frequent random encounters. Many people do this and it's why it's probably the most widely disliked Final Fantasy in the series.

[Anonymous No.7419321]

I want to eat a chocobo. Not in some creepy vore furfag way, I just have to know if its chicken.

[Anonymous No.7419331]

>>7419290
If you're going to try out a series from the start, go with Phantasy Star. For one it's only really 4 games so easily completable, the first game is really one if the best 8bit jrpgs ever and holds up very well to this day. 2 and moreso 3 are both flawed but still very interesting in their own ways and then 4 is again one of the best 16 bit jrpgs ever made.

Lunar might be worth trying (stick with sega cd versions). I don't care for them but many like Dragon Quest series. Breath of Fire is kind of bad for the first two games but is a good entry and 3 and 4 are solid. Chronotrigger might be a good starting point.

Don't start with Xenogears.

[Anonymous No.7419332]

>>7419295
Seconding this. Anyone remember WarMECH's Domain? They had all these cool comparisons between different versions of different games, and it surprised me how much the PlayStation version stretches the screen taller to give the illusion the aspect ration is bigger than it actually is (they even had to redesign a few sprites to disguise it like the final boss of FFII). Too bad that site is lost to time, don't think it was archived.

[Anonymous No.7419335]

>>7419321
It would taste like ostrich

[Anonymous No.7419340]

>>7419321
They taste like chocolate sticks, like Pocky obviously. It's right there in the name.

[Anonymous No.7419359]

I'm usually a hardcore originalist and hate all remasters and remakes but the originals are actually the worst way to experience theses, just from the bug standpoint, even if none of us noticed these bugs at all back then.

[Anonymous No.7419395]

Decided to just say fuck it and loaded FF1 on duckstation, that CGI intro was cool as fuck, all old games were cool like that. Moved a couple of spots and got a random encounter, combat kinda reminds me of HOMM3 which is the nearest game I played that is like this I guess. Playing in software mode and I dig the artstyle, think I'm gonna enjoy this

[Anonymous No.7419654]

>>7419395
What party did you go with?

[Anonymous No.7419679]

>>7419223
Don't even bother, jarpigs are garbage, especially final faggotry.

[Anonymous No.7419680]

>>7419223
Best place for you to start is Final Fantasy X and X-2.

[Anonymous No.7419807]

>>7419654
just default warrior/thief/white/black mage

but I did name the thief Garrett :3

[Anonymous No.7419810]

>>7419680
ffx-2
what are you some kind of crossdresser?

[Anonymous No.7419828]

>>7419807
I won't say to restart, it's not like the game is that hard (I had one in my first playthrough) but sadly Thief is the one class that actually sucks. At least in the version you're playing I believe it's not bugged but it is the only class you can't solo the game with. Anyways have fun!

[Anonymous No.7419895]

>>7419807
Just FYI, the default party depends on the version you're playing, with the original NES version having Monk and Red Mage in place of the White and Black Mages, respectively.

[Anonymous No.7419904]

>>7419828
yea it was hard enough deciding what version to play, I'll worry about min maxing if I decide to play the dawn of souls version too
>>7419895
PS1 origins here

[Anonymous No.7419906]

>>7419223
I and II were cute for their time but are pretty forgettable. IV and VI were the real can't-miss Nintendo-bound Final Fantasy games. If you're dead set on playing these games though, the Playstation version's the way to go.

[Anonymous No.7419931]

>>7419906
>sets the template, tropes and standard for the series
>forgettable
It's like you don't know what words mean

[Anonymous No.7419983]

>>7419931
IV really solidified the formula though. The NES games feel far more expirimental. Also the round-based combat feels a bit awkward compared to the turn by turn method of subsequent games.

[Anonymous No.7419985]

>>7419983
2 was very experimental, I'll give you that, 1 was as safe as it could have been, they had to be safe, if this game didnt sell, square was under

[Anonymous No.7419997]

>>7419828
>Thief is the one class that actually sucks.
Fortunately in Wonderswan-onward, Thief is a little less useless due to fixing bugs such as the running glitch and especially making Temper/Steel work as it should in battle, though yeah, it'll still be the weakest link among the physical-focused classes. I think the idea was for Thief and Monk to both be "investment" classes, where Thief gets good via class change and Monk gets good via grinding (and inversely has minimal class change [actually slightly worse on NES due to lowering the magic defense stat, dunno if that's still the case in remakes]), but despite that they never really buffed Thief's promotion in the remakes to actually make it worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.7420015]

>>7419223
The PS1 versions of the FF games are all solid. Keep in mind there's a lot of disinfo about load times for these games but in playing both the original 1.0, greatest hits revisions, etc. there is no load times longer than anything on the SNES.

[Anonymous No.7420034]

>>7420015
>Keep in mind there's a lot of disinfo about load times for these games but in playing both the original 1.0, greatest hits revisions, etc. there is no load times longer than anything on the SNES.
Yeah, there is a disinfo campaign, and it's you. Final Fantasy IV on PlayStation is pretty good though, but it's the outlier.

[Anonymous No.7420038]

>>7420034
There's literally no load times.

[Anonymous No.7420052]

>>7420038
You are literally full of shit.

[Anonymous No.7420056]

>>7420052
I'm tired of nintendo fans lying about load times that don't exist. What load times are there? Tell me about them.

[Anonymous No.7420061]

>>7419223
The SNES Dragon Quest remake might be a better starting quest. It should take you just like 8 hours to finish, you have to only manage 1 character, his stats and equipment. I think it's the quintessential "gateway RPG" preparing you for more complex stuff.

[Anonymous No.7420069]

Why would you play the PSX version when GBA and PSP exist?

[Anonymous No.7420086]

>>7420015
>>7420038
Are you being ironic? Have you never played them on original hardware? 1 and 2 aren't horrible, 5 is literally unplayable they're so bad.

[Anonymous No.7420090]

>>7420086
What about 6 and chrono trigger?

[Anonymous No.7420095]

>>7420069
Because slapping an MP system in a game that wasn't meant to have one isn't even remotely close to "improving" anything.

[Anonymous No.7420103]

>>7420056
>nintendo fans
Dude, just because this board is called "Retro Games" doesn't mean we have to reenact the tribal console wars.
I can tell it's going to be a waste of time to "tell" you, so instead of that, I invite everyone reading to just hop on to YouTube and compare some playthroughs to inform yourself. You'll see observable differences between startup, battle/loading transitions, entering and exiting basic menus, saving, etc. This isn't to "knock Sony" or whatever that anon seems to think, but it's just intrinsic to the cartridge versus CD format at the time. Of the SNES->PS1 ports, Final Fantasy IV is the only one where you're not actively punishing yourself if you're playing the PS1 version when you have access to the original.

[Anonymous No.7420109]

>>7420103
>Dude, just because this board is called "Retro Games" doesn't mean we have to reenact the tribal console wars.
You're telling that to the wrong person. I've got no biases here, just observing what I see. Why don't you want it pointed out? I'm playing on real hardware by the way.

[Anonymous No.7420119]

>>7420109
>Why don't you want it pointed out?
What a random thing to troll, but you do you.

[Anonymous No.7420126]

>>7420119
What do you think of the 6 and CT ports? Tell me about their load times.

[Anonymous No.7420159]

>>7420090
6 and 4 I didn't play because I didn't care for 4 and it felt like I'd played 6 too recently. Chrono Trigger was by far the worst of the lot. I suffered through 5 even though it sucked, CT I literally got only a handful of hours in and found it legitimately unplayable. If you want that emulate the original or play on DS.

[Anonymous No.7420164]

>>7420159
OK so thank you for clarifying about Chrono Trigger. I haven't tested 4 and 5 as most complaints are leveled at 6 and CT, and can confirm all versions of CT have identical load times to the SNES, basically none. Thank you for throwing your credibility out the window here, I was curious how long you'd keep the lie up for and that confirms it. Kindly fuck off you nintendo troll.

[Anonymous No.7420173]

>>7420164
Do you get off on this.

[Anonymous No.7420182]

>>7420173
I am directly interested in dispelling lies, I have no other motive.

[Anonymous No.7420195]

>>7420164
You're either insane or have no sense of time. I played CT on a SNES, the PS1 version runs like complete garbage. When I love a game that much but can't stand to play it there's something seriously wrong. Holy shit, no joke you sound bonkers.

[Anonymous No.7420202]

>>7420195
Gaslighting. Why are you so protective over the SNES version?

[Anonymous No.7420220]

>>7420202
I'm certainly no Nintendo fan if that's what you're still driving at. I was hyped as fuck to play the PS1 version. Why are you pretending one of the most widely documented and complained over reasons for it being a legendarily bad port are all made up? People have been talking about this for years. I know because I used to rant till I was blue in the face over it. To this day I think Square owes us at least a partial refund for releasing a basically unplayable version of the game.

You're really, seriously and earnestly saying that you played CT on a SNES then were happy with the PS1 port and didn't notice ANY load time issues? Because you might be the only person on earth who didn't.

Again if you're not trolling, there's something fucked with your brain.

[Anonymous No.7420227]

>>7420195

[Anonymous No.7420238]

>>7420220
Widely documented by who? Just how long are these load times? The fade in-fade out of entering battle, entering a menu, transitioning an area is basically instant, just like the original. The "worst" Chrono Trigger gets is a fade to black, fade in that takes about 1.5 seconds when entering the menu.

Do I have to start posting comparisons recorded from real hardware? I don't think anyone has done any serious comparisons of this. The SNES original may be faster, but if 1.5 seconds is a long time to you then I don't think you're a reliable surveyor of this information. I get that it's a widely repeated meme, sort of like how a lot of people blew in their cartridges when we were kids. Lots of memes carried on. Some people still think PS2 component is worse than RGB when it turns out cheap cables were the problem. These popular games seem to be victims of these memes.

You've never played them, otherwise you wouldn't be lying about them so heavily unless you had some other motive. I think you do, seeing as how hard you protest about being identified as a fanboy.

[Anonymous No.7420249]

>>7420238
By discussion forums since the game was released. Holy shit this has to be bait or you're crazy but I know first hand how unplayable it is. Spread all the lies you want to trick some poor sap into buying your copies off eBay or some shit but I'm not wasting more time on it.

[Anonymous No.7420254]

>>7420238
>>7420249
samefag

[Anonymous No.7420256]

>>7420249
I'm sorry anon, those discussion forums are lying to you. I know it's hard to believe but fanboys may have lied to you, but it's the truth. If people can get the same (in CTs case, a better experience) on a far cheaper copy on the PS1 vs the overinflated SNES game, go and buy the PS1 game. You'll save a lot of money.

[Anonymous No.7420258]

>>7420038
Load times on 6 are insane. You can open and close the menu screens like 4 times on snes for every one on the ps1

[Anonymous No.7420259]

>>7420258
It's about 1 second.

[Anonymous No.7420270]

>>7420015
>>7420038
>>7420056
>>7420109
>>7420164
>>7420182
>>7420202
>>7420238
>>7420256
>>7420259
Damn, man. You must be hardcore lonely if your self-defense mechanism is spending Valentine's like this. Wherever you are, I genuinely hope you help yourself get out of this rut. This anon deserves our pity, not our scorn.

[Anonymous No.7420275]

>>7420270
>hold on babe I gotta reply to this anonymous guy talking about final fantasy 6 on the playstation during our dinner date.

[Anonymous No.7420276]

>>7420256
I was in them myself ranting about how angry I was over one of my favorite games getting one of the worst ports in history. And no, I wasn't lying to myself.

But whatever, I know my experience. I don't know what your angle here actually is but I don't care if it's stupidity or malice. I'm not wasting more time on you.

[Anonymous No.7420280]

>>7420276
Bye bye.

[Anonymous No.7420283]

>>7420256
Not him but you're an absolute retard who had to have played on an emulator or off an SD card. It literally takes 10+ seconds to open the fucking menu

[Anonymous No.7420286]

>next level trolling

[Anonymous No.7420289]

>>7420283
I actually played on a 25 year old console with a mediocre burn on best buy verbatim discs. Took 1.5 seconds to load the fucking menu.

[Anonymous No.7420337]

>>7420286
It's really not next level, this is classic /vr/ trolling in the vein of Scotformer, Sega System etc. You find a hot take like "people have been lying for decades about shitty loading in the PS1 FF ports" and then try to meme it hard enough that some sap somewhere mimicks and then you feel special. On a given day a good third of threads can be these threads. Also, prepare for full threads on it soon given how many bites he got.

[Anonymous No.7420340]

>>7420238
>Widely documented by who?
"As with Square's previous Super Nintendo-to-PlayStation releases, Final Fantasy IV and Chrono Trigger appear on the Sony machine courtesy of emulation, and as such their technical quality is acceptably lacking. Though they run serviceably, enough minor discrepancies exist between these emulated versions and their cartridge originals to make picky Square stalwarts wince on occasion. Final Fantasy IV was the first game Square released for the PlayStation in Japan, and it has a few slowdown problems, especially in battles, and awfully muffled sound effects. As the last SNES port, Chrono Trigger's emulation issues are ironed out, >but its long and frequent loading is somewhat annoying. These flaws aren't really glaring and shouldn't stop you from playing the games, but purists should consider themselves warned."
--https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/final-fantasy-chronicles-review/1900-2783150/

[Anonymous No.7420346]

>>7420337
Blowing in your carts is actually good. The japanese "tomb raiders" on saturn is the definitive version of the game. saturn was the definitive platform for tomb raider.

>>7420340
reviews are not reliable.

[Anonymous No.7420352]

Thanks for destroying the thread, you stupid faggot.

[Anonymous No.7420359]

>>7420346
>saturn was the definitive platform for tomb raider.
Oh c'mon, that one was actually true.

[Anonymous No.7420363]

>>7420352
All I did was make a humble recommendation, helpful advice shooting down often repeated rumors, speculated about the origin of them. Then I was attacked for it. Don't like it? Stop lying about it.

>>7420359
one of the devs literally confirmed this was not the case.

[Anonymous No.7420397]

>>7420346
>reviews are not reliable
>For real guys, this problem fans have been complaining about since the port was released was all a devious misinformation campaign by Nintendo fans. Saying otherwise is obvious gaslighting! Really!

[Anonymous No.7420402]

>>7420363
We all know what you did and why.

[Anonymous No.7420408]

>>7420103
YouTube is part of the disinfo campaign conspiracy, the reptites add fake loadtimes when editing their videos.

[Anonymous No.7420414]

>>7420397
battle transitions take just as long as on the original tho.

>>7420402
Tell we I said "hi."

[Anonymous No.7420427]

>>7420346
>reviews are not reliable.
Goalposts.

[Anonymous No.7420429]

The PS1 ports of both the classic FF games and Chrono Trigger are outright fucking terrible garbage and should be avoided at all costs
hell they are probably the actual worst versions

[Anonymous No.7420443]

>>7420429
Origins is fine

[Anonymous No.7420453]

>>7420429
WonderswanColor FFIV is the inverse of FFI&II and is pretty dreadful, so I'd say that's the worst version. Basically, it can handle 8-bit conversions with flying colors, but 16-bit conversions were another story. Also, Origins is nowhere near the worst version of FFI. That's the MSX version.

[Anonymous No.7420463]

>>7420429
the NES originals are the worst versions, especially FF1, it is bugfucked

[Anonymous No.7420470]

>>7420238
1.5 seconds to load a menu in a JRPG is pretty ridiculous

[Anonymous No.7420509]

>>7420259
I don't remember the exact times I measured them last week but it was about 4x faster on snes. Maybe 3x. Also the transition times were not symmetric, on longer than the other. I think menu to map was slower than map to menu. This was true on snes also bur the difference was very hard to notice if you weren't opening and closing a lot of times in a row. It was trivial to notice on ps1.

[Anonymous No.7420519]

>>7420289
It's like .5s on snes. You open the menu a lot. It makes a big difference.

[Anonymous No.7420520]

>>7420414
Not even close. That's why it gets brought up so much.

[Anonymous No.7420587]

>>7420470
how dare the snes do this

[Anonymous No.7420614]

>>7420346
Blowing in carts is sorta good sorta bad. It does work, but why it works is your moist breath leaves a thin film of moisture that helps make the connection. But over time it leads to corrosion which might be the problem in the first place but slowly makes it worse.

[Anonymous No.7420625]

>>7420238
More like 7 second load times. Fuck that shit. It's noticeable every time you go into the menu screen.

[Anonymous No.7420652]

these load times are really blown out of proportion.

[Anonymous No.7420689]

>>7420652
That's cute. Now why didn't you battle Gato and show off the famous Chrono Trigger active battle system?

[Anonymous No.7420761]

>>7420689
hold up lil nigga im checking out ff6 so far the only long thing about it is this shitty intro

[Anonymous No.7420784]

>>7420761
this one also has short load times lol whats the big deal? just trying to keep those cart prices up?

[Anonymous No.7420809]

>>7420784
>just trying to keep those cart prices up?
Is that what your mental illness is about?

[Anonymous No.7420851]

>>7420784
Are you emulating?

[Anonymous No.7420901]

>>7420851
no thats why it looks like soft shit, its going from the ps1 thru hd rectalvision cables to a crt with passthru and to a retrotwink and then into an elgayto. finally compressed by webm4retards because cli is for nerds. ff6 is also shit and 7 is better in every way

[Anonymous No.7420919]

>>7420901
>7 is better in every way
does 6 have a scene where the main (male) character gets anally raped by a group of strongmen in a hot tub room?

[Anonymous No.7420924]

>>7420919
no but it does have a cringe opera scene lol talk about gay

[Anonymous No.7420932]

>>7420924
yeah, to be honest, that doesn't really sound as gay as a twink getting raped.

[Anonymous No.7420937]

>>7420932
found the queer

[Anonymous No.7420940]

>>7420937
jokes aside, you play a male rape game. that's pretty gay. we out.

[Anonymous No.7420945]

>>7420940
speak for yourself gay boy advance lmao

[Anonymous No.7421116]

>>7419254
>ah sounds like an easy deal then

It's not. The creature you're replying to is just repeating bandwagon talk that became popular once most people learned about games that old via this kind of "online scholarship" method of deliberately reviewing history rather than by seeing them at the game store or rental shop as children and trying them out and loving them. People who did the latter didn't notice or care about the bugs. Play the originals, or if you must play patched versions of them that fix the bugs. There is a very high chance that you wouldn't see any significant difference between the two, were you to try both.

Don't be taken in by "ACTUALLY Castlevania 4 is bad because of what Egoraptor said about the whip!!"-style fads. If you want history, play what people played then. If you want a new game, play a new game. Don't play watered-down hybrids like FF Origins that leave out the strongest flavors of either.

>>7419395

There's no CGI intro in a Famicom game from 1987. All old games were not cool like that. You're re-chewing prechewed food. Try some casual games on your cellphone next, but make sure to do all the microtransactions and get all the best powers before you start so you don't end up having to do anything that might be a little bit difficult or unfamiliar.

>>7420463

DID YOU KNOW THAT DOKI DOKI WAS ACTUALLY

[Anonymous No.7421136]

>>7419290
Xenogears a shit

[Anonymous No.7421407]

>>7421116
Real talk, I played the original release of FF1 on NES and liked it well enough but I honestly can't think of a single reason to recommend it over any of the later ports which were done better. Just because we didn't notice the bugs that much doesn't mean someone else should have to tangle with them.

[Anonymous No.7421484]

>>7421116
why are you sperging out when somebody mentions how bug ridden ff1 is?

[Anonymous No.7422453]

>>7419223
I would say no due to the loading times

[Anonymous No.7422697]

>>7421407
FWIW we did kind of notice the bugs, sorta, we just didn't realize it
What I mean is, you probably used FIR2 more times than you can count. But if you wasted your money on LOCK, you used it once or twice then never again, and reloaded your save if you were smart.

[Anonymous No.7422704]

>>7422697
I'm pretty sure FOG did fuck all too

[Anonymous No.7422717]

I just tried the Origins versions and GBA versions back to back and decided to go with GBA. If I could I would play the PSP versions of both, no idea why those were never powered to any other platform or even made downloadable on PSN

[Anonymous No.7422907]

>>7419223
I'd recommend the GBA releases of I and II. III is fine on GBA and DS.
IV-VI are best played on GBA with a soundtrack mod, since they have the superior translation
VII-IX are best played through their current steam releases because again, better translation (VII's OG translation was done in like a month).
X | X2 is best played on PS2.
XI had its servers shutdown but there's probably a workaround.
XII is best played through either its PS2 release or The Zodiac Age.

[Anonymous No.7422989]

>>7422907
>IV GBA
Definitely not. The animations and subsequently the overall pace and feel of the gameplay is absolutely fucked. FFIV GBA is far and away the worst version to play and it's not just because of the shitty sound. It is recommended only by people with no standards who play anything just to tick it off the list.

You're over-rating the importance of translation especially for the older games, and even then there are plenty of translation mods if you care that much.

[Anonymous No.7423074]

>>7420652
>these load times are really blown out of proportion.
Are you being serious?
Holy shit you have low standards. I just ran the same transitions on snes9x and what took you 22 seconds took me 11 seconds.

(sorry I'd post a webm but can't figure out how to get it properly compressed and have better things to do than dick around in openshot all day long)

[Anonymous No.7423091]

>>7423074
>snes9x
lol

[Anonymous No.7423106]

>>7421484
He's making an excellent point about preferring original games whenever possible (patched if necessary). More often than not, remakes have noticeably less soul than originals. Originals were the games that got popular and the reason why you know even about them today. Remakes and ports are cash grabs.

Ports can be worth it if they are done well. But waiting 3 seconds instead of 1 second every scene transition might not seem like much but subconsciously it's a death by a thousand cuts. In the original game, developers went the extra mile to make it run fast and smooth and be an overall enjoyable experience in every way possible. The C-team managing the port can't be bothered with shit like that, they know people will buy it anyway and no-taste cucks will defend them. This shit just gets worse if they have to re-implement game systems, adapting it for different hardware and so on. That's how you wind up with shit as absolutely soulless as the GBA version of FF IV.

Personally I think the FF:Origins games are pretty good as remakes go. But he makes a good point.

[Anonymous No.7423109]

>>7423091
play it on any emulator or original SNES hardware and you will see that you are playing a retarded version that sucks and are trying to back-rationalize your wasted time and money.

[Anonymous No.7423154]

>>7423109
it cost me a $.02 burned disc to play anon, is that a lot to you?

[Anonymous No.7423204]

>ITT
People with emulators try to give their opinions on what they think original hardware might have been like and pretend widely criticized loading problems never existed.

[Anonymous No.7423548]

>>7419340
>They taste like chocolate sticks
Bullshit. If they were that tasty, they would have been hunted to extinction long ago, regardless of their usefulness as steeds.

[Anonymous No.7423551]

>>7423204
More like nincels lying about a rumor they heard and keep repeating. Happens all the time, this is just another instance of it. Gotta buy those original cartridges ;)

[Anonymous No.7423560]

>>7421116
this is the epitome of boomer posting

[Anonymous No.7423561]

>>7423548

[Anonymous No.7423602]

>>7423551
You're utterly retarded and very obviously never played the originals then their ports.

[Anonymous No.7423605]

>>7423602
Literally recorded myself playing them last night you lying faggot lol get exposed some more

[Anonymous No.7423628]

>>7423605
Those webms show how shitty it is.

[Anonymous No.7423639]

>>7423628
>bro the load times take MINUTES
>actually it's just a few seconds, basically like the snes original
>THAT MEANS IT'S BAD
ok lol

[Anonymous No.7423645]

>>7423605
>>7420652
Curious that you don't show a battle. Now where's your webm of the same on real hardware?

[Anonymous No.7423654]

>>7423639
Minutes is an obvious exaggeration, but it's still much worse.

>>7423645
Seconding this.

[Anonymous No.7423667]

>>7423654
>obvious exaggeration
>entire thread is just people believing obvious exaggerations for 20 years
yeah I think it's safe to say that's not the case.

[Anonymous No.7423678]

>>7423667
The lag is extremely noticeable particularly in battles which there are a ton of. Sorry people not being happy with a shitty port hurts your feelings or something but this hasn't been criticized for so long without reason.

[Anonymous No.7423682]

>>7423645
>>7423667
Give us a side by side comparison going into battle on SNES hardware and then the PS1 version.

[Anonymous No.7423789]

well this took a weird turn. I played FF1 origins for an hour today and the game is really comfy, personally I play it on duckstation software mode, could have just as well played it on ps3 but this is more accessible

is the GBA version something I'd enjoy playing immediately afterwards or should I postpone it for later?

[Anonymous No.7423821]

>>7423789
The GBA version is quite different. I don't remember if they changed this in the PS1 but you don't whiff on an enemy if two characters attack and the first one kills it.

More importantly the magic system is different. Instead of having a certain number of each spell it goes to a more normal (by now) MP system.

It's also very very easy which is sort of good in you can almost speed run it and grinding isn't necessary at all. I'd say if you liked 1 when you finish it then playing the GBA one can be an inter different take.

[Anonymous No.7423936]

>>7423667
No retard 3 seconds is a long fucking time. That's what people have always complained about. If you thought they meant it was literally minutes that's on you for being retarded (although that is proven quite conclusively by this point from your other posts so no surprise there)

[Anonymous No.7423945]

>>7423154
More than the $0.00 it takes to play the original on an emulator but then we've already established you aren't very good at math.

[Anonymous No.7423978]

>>7419239
>play the peak RPGs so everything you play afterwards will suck ass to you
Fuck this guy, FF1 is great, and aside from the (((load times))), PS1 is a good version of it.

[Anonymous No.7423985]

>>7419239
>there arent any female characters
This is the real reason trannies dislike FF1.

[Anonymous No.7423990]

>>7423682
He obviously doesn't have it on SNES that's why he's having such a fit.

[Anonymous No.7424301]

>FF I
Play the PSP version, it's an improved version of the GBA port, so the GBA games are passable. The PS1 version is okay, but NES is shit. So, no need to bother with anything other than the PSP version.

>FF II
Same as FF I, only any version before GBA is utter dogshit. The game mechanics are a clusterfuck and boring, but at least the PSP and GBA versions don't reduce your stats. So play the PSP version.

>FF III
NES is pretty bad. The DS remaster is much better and the PSP version is easier and more convenient to emulate. So play the PSP version.

>FF IV
Best 2D version is the PSP version with extra content, although the DS 3D version is fun. Play FF IV Complete on PSP and the 3D version on DS is ok.

>FF V and VI
GBA versions have slightly more content with slightly inferior quality compared to SNES and PS1. Any of them is okay.

>FF VII, VIII and IX
PS1 versions of course.

[Anonymous No.7424483]

This thread is some of the most intense cope I've ever seen on 4chan. Bravo.

[Anonymous No.7424685]

>>7423990
But in his first post he specifically says there's no difference between the SNES and PS1 versions. He wouldn't just make that up and lie about having played both!

[Anonymous No.7424769]

>>7423985
>what is white mage

[Anonymous No.7424774]

>>7424301
FF3 is dogshit on any platform. Slot system for magic is atrocious game design.

[Anonymous No.7424775]

>>7424769
it's a priest, and priests are not female

[Anonymous No.7424795]

>>7419223
ff5 is a good start, 1 and 2 is godawful

[Anonymous No.7424812]

>>7424301
NES versions have mucho soul. FFIV and V as well. All remakes and games after that are soulless.

[Anonymous No.7424870]

is ff9 the only one with a playthrough time limited item?

[Anonymous No.7424939]

>>7424774
It's different but I don't mind it. Most games you have like 20 spells but usually end up using the same few over and over. Spell slots makes you be strategic and use the whole range. I grew up on D&D though.

[Anonymous No.7424941]

>>7424870
I'm pretty sure yeah and the item is nowhere near worth the hassle it takes to get.

[Anonymous No.7424948]

>>7424870
yes, running through the games at top speed wont get you anything new, only 9 has that "secret", the later games, like 12, also pull some shady shit however, if you loot the early chests as you have been trained to, those chests will not contain the things you need for the best gear later on, X-2's 100% completion simply cannot be done without a guide, as the percentage counter requires you to see every line of dialog and some of these are hidden behind having to talk to the same one off npc, 10+ times, to trigger a new line

never go for ff x-2 100% completion, you will be furious at the end when its stuck on 99% and there is nothing you can do about it

[Anonymous No.7425010]

>>7419223
It was my 1sr ff is say yes then feel free to go off and play some ps1 era games it's not a bad way to get in to the series.

[Anonymous No.7425051]

Idk if anyone has brought up the really nice psp ports but im having a psp problem with sudden save data corruption. I was playing iv complete and all of a sudden mid save i got corrupted save data. I cant find anything on this, im using a real duostick/save card on real hard ware with a real umd, does anyone at all have any idea what i can do to avoid this? Reset to factory default but now im saving multi files to keep my progress. Sorry to blog and interrupt this nice thread but im lost on this. Thanks for not retroing and blog posting this.

[Anonymous No.7425093]

>>7424948
Zodiac Age fixes the chest issue but it's outside /vr/ so that's all I'll say to avoid going further off topic.

>>7423789
FF1 on PS1 is good. Versions from GBA onward have a difficulty drop. PSP is based on GBA and is frequently recommended for QoL changes and nice visuals. FF2 on Famicom is broken. Avoid at all costs. PS1 is good. As with FF1, later versions have lower difficulty and are sometimes recommended. My own personal experience with FF1 and FF2 was regrettably on GBA. They were the last games in the series I needed to play to complete all the mainline SP games and I didn't want too much of a fight. In hindsight, I think I was lazy. Take that as you will.

[Anonymous No.7425128]

>>7425051
PSPs are just built like shit and tend to fuck up in various ways. Just keep up with multiple saves.

[Anonymous No.7425140]

>>7425093
It's fun how you pretend to have a voice of authority on all the versions while at the same time admitting you only played the most dumbed down one once. It's like all /vr/ in a delicious nutshell.

[Anonymous No.7425142]

>>7424774
The least of the problems with FF3.
>Mini Dungeons
>Frog Dungeon
And before you say play the DS/PSP version: NO. Fuck those made up “characters”. There are no women in FF3, and again, this is why trannies dislike it.

[Anonymous No.7425298]

>>7425142
Rent free.

3 is solid fun, even the ds version.

[Anonymous No.7425359]

>>7419223
Final Fantasy sucks. Play Live A Live instead

[Anonymous No.7425464]

>>7424812
based truth-posting anon

[Anonymous No.7425472]

>>7419223
The best one is Final Fantasy VI-2 aka Chrono Trigger

[Anonymous No.7425479]

>>7425359
If it's so good why did it never leave Japan?

[Anonymous No.7426605]

Final Fantasy III DS is an abomination (so is The After Years 3D though FFIV DS ain't bad), the effectiveness of GBA music "restoration" hacks are exaggerated, and the best version of Final Fantasy VI by a mile is the T-Edition. Everything else I'll leave up to personal taste but if you disagree with these proclamations then I sincerely doubt you have taste anyway, kthnxgbai.

[Anonymous No.7426674]

>>7420095
What are you talking about? For Final Fantasy 1 the PSP version has the same MP system addition as it does on the PSX and GBA editions. You realize that the MP system was added for the Wonderswan version, and the PSX, GBA and PSP versions are all essentially ports of that version?

[Anonymous No.7426689]

>>7426674
Anon, the battle system overhauls were introduced in GBA, the only thing I think the WS/PS versions tweaked was the removal of the bs hidden equipment weight stat in FFII.

[Anonymous No.7426751]

>>7425128
Yeah, thanks, i am. Usb port on pc is shorted out so i cant even get new saves if i wanted. This corrupted data thing is spoiling the fun of my snow days.

[Anonymous No.7426759]

>>7426605
Get off it, 3 is ok. And i think people were excited for not only being able to play 3 in NA for the first time but also a return to basics after all the new combat systems of the games then. Also i dont think many ds games had animated 3d cutscenes at the time.

[Anonymous No.7426820]

>>7426759
>play 3 in NA for the first time
Ding ding ding, that's why III DS became as overrated as it was.
>also a return to basics after all the new combat systems of the games then.
Oh yes, the totally UNFUCKED battle system. The number was monsters per battle wasn't cut to an embarrassing degree causing the devs to shit up the balance. The DS hardware limitations that were resolved by IV DS didn't completely taint every rerelease of III since then because Square knows people like you will endlessly buy minimal effort ports. No, sir.
>Also i dont think many ds games had animated 3d cutscenes at the time.
Damn, it's not like YouTube exists or anything.

[Anonymous No.7426859]

>>7426820
The sad part is, we were so close to living in the timeline where Final Fantasy III was released on WonderSwan Color and then ported to PlayStation. Then Square saw which direction the winds were blowing with the WonderSwan Color and got greedy. "Let's cancel III and give them a quick crummy port of IV as a consolation prize, III deserves to be remade on PLAYSTATION 2!" Cue Sony: "Square, we love you, but no way in hell are you releasing a decade-old game on our PS2, come back when you have something new," causing Square Enix to eventually resort to Nintendo DS to salvage the concept in truncated, butchered form. And this is "good enough."

[Anonymous No.7426934]

>>7426859
I thought the reason it fell through was because they lost the source code? Also lol I know the west didn't officially get some Final Fantasies until the remakes but that's clearly 2 on the right.

[Anonymous No.7426998]

>>7426934
That's either a rumor some dumbfuck started online or a dirty lie (wouldn't be the first time, see pic). There's no way they greenlit III WS and realized, "oh shit, we don't have the source code" midway through development. If anything, they threw out the WIP code of the WonderSwan version after they switched development to PS2 because they believed in their over-ambitious 3D remake so damn much, thus why it skipped GBA. That's right, their own passion for FFIII sabotaged it.

[Anonymous No.7427365]

>>7426998
I guess im looking thru nintendo power lenses in regards to ff3. I dont know what couldve been, i know what is and that is that ff3 is an ok game. And at the time just like my playthrough last summer it was fun and nice just going back to a 4 member job based party and saving the world by collecting crystals.

[Anonymous No.7427643]

>>7419680
Yeah, if you want a corridor disguised as an RPG, sure.

[Anonymous No.7427686]

>>7419223
That's a great intro to JRPGs at their most basic. I will warn you that FF2 is considered a pretty broken and bad game in a lot of ways, so if it's not doing anything for you early on, feel free to skip it.

The real question is, where do you want to go from here?

[Anonymous No.7427739]

>>7420015
FF1 and 2 are fine with load times but 5 and 6 are unplayable with that shit, same with Chrono Trigger.

[Anonymous No.7427768]

>>7426605
>the T-Edition
I don't know what that stands for, but if it's not "Ted Woolsey Uncensored Edition" you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.7427915]

>>7427768
>I don't know what that stands for, but if it's not "Ted Woolsey Uncensored Edition" you're wrong.
You...you sad troglodyte.
https://poematocx.com/ff6t/
http://ngplus.net/index.php?/forums/topic/992-mod-information-translation-v293-2521/
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/4619/

[Anonymous No.7427935]

>>7427915
>but but muh faithful translation
No thanks, I'll stick with the one that's actually fun to read. Also, Working Designs is good.

[Anonymous No.7428056]

>>7427935
That's cute. But y'know, Rodimus Prime is a fuckface who kept doing "script overhauls" whenever he felt threatened by hairy_hen, Dr. Meat, and now the ROSE project. He's the one going "shit, they might notice I suck at fuh-fuh-faithfulness." He is not your hero.

[Anonymous No.7428079]

>>7428056
I don't even know who these faggots are. I don't keep up with romhacking e-drama. I just know I like fun translations more than literal ones, provided they don't have massive blatant plot mistakes or egregious censorship like the original Woolsey version of FF6.

[Anonymous No.7428121]

>>7428079
>I don't even know who these faggots are. I don't keep up with romhacking e-drama.
All you really need to know is that, to reiterate, Rodimus, the author of Ted Woolsey Uncensored, plays catchup whenever there's another major FFVI script project with a hack revision to feed his ego.
>I just know I like fun translations more than literal ones, provided they don't have massive blatant plot mistakes or egregious censorship like the original Woolsey version of FF6.
Which would be a "good for you, agree to disagree" moment if he actually did half of these fucking things, pic very related.

[Anonymous No.7428138]

>>7426605
>(so is The After Years 3D though FFIV DS ain't bad)
I'll amend this point: ANY post-PSP rerelease is minimal-effort garbage.

[Anonymous No.7428159]

>>7426605
Huh, I was wondering why FF3 on PSP bored the bejeezus out of me whenever I tried to play it, even compared to FF1 and FF2.

[Anonymous No.7428339]

>>7426605
I still like both versions. It's one of mt favorite FF games in both forms. They're different but the port is good fun.

[Anonymous No.7428554]

>>7420901
Wait am I reading right? Did he post this as a defense of the ps1 port?? Has he literally never played the snes version?

[Anonymous No.7428594]

>>7428056
I played through a decent chunk of all of these and I gotta say, Rodimus Primal's (at least the version I played but I'm not gonna play "follow-the-leader" with him like his sycophants [which he'd probably pull with Namingway Edition if more people cared about FF IV's script]) was the most milquetoast of the bunch. He got in at the right time after discovering the game's script editor, the only competition was that awful RPGOne translation that no one with a brain enjoys. Only Dr. Meat's relocalization is maybe slightly worse on an objective level, but I'd still rather play Total Graphics Uncensorship. He's lucky, that's it. Can't go wrong with the two others though.
>>7427915
T-Edition is way better than something like a Brave New World, but I still wouldn't say it's the version everyone should play, at least for their first time. For one thing, the English release isn't too accessible, but the author still makes few fanfic changes like replacing Siegfried with Gilgamesh. Then there's all the added anachronistic music that feels so out of place at times. It does do a decent job of leaving the main story untouched for the most part, but it could have done a little better in that regard. Maybe if the author made a more conservative version with just the GBA additions, I'd recommend that one. As it stands, T-Edition is good if you want a different, surprising experience on your next playthrough, and in that respect, it delivers in spades.

[Anonymous No.7428618]

>>7428594
Is this an MD Geist reference?

[Anonymous No.7428681]

>>7428138
Can we please stop pretending that the PSP versions weren't terrible too?
Just look carefully at the intro for a quick comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO-SrskvGi0
The dynamic, ominous clouds from the WonderSwan version somehow got downgraded so much over time that the PSP version looks the most flat. The graphical upscale looks like some amateur RPG Maker junk. And look at the crystal animation - it's completely mistimed. The "shine" sound before they come together now plays with no obvious visual effect, even though it made sense in earlier intros. Imagine that things are this sloppy before the title screen.

[Anonymous No.7430570]

>>7428618
Yes

[Anonymous No.7430829]

>>7427686
>The real question is, where do you want to go from here?
personally I'll try and keep things chronological, unless a game repulses me for some reason

[Anonymous No.7431339]

>>7422717
they're on mobile

[Anonymous No.7433368]

>>7428681
>And look at the crystal animation - it's completely mistimed
patrician observation

[Anonymous No.7433417]

>>7431339
You know that doesn't count.

[Anonymous No.7433430]

>>7430829
I suggest giving 2 a good earnest try. It's far from perfect but I think it's criminally underappreciated. The original and even PD1 versions are more difficult/grindy but still playable. The GBA/ PSP you should have no trouble with. Decide early how you would like your core party to each be and then stick with it.

Unlike other games in the series and most rpgs, you don't save your magic user to mostly conserve casting spells so you have the MP when you reach the boss. Same as everything else the only way you get them to be good with magic is using it constantly. It's both counter intuitive to most rpgs but also a lot more realistic and if you ask me, interesting.

[Anonymous No.7433435]

>>7433417
Why?

[Anonymous No.7433504]

>>7433435
playing games on a phone sucks that's why

[Anonymous No.7433516]

>>7433504
Tactile feedback is nice but especially with an rpg it's nice. Having a good game on your phone is super convenient.

[Anonymous No.7434938]

>>7419332
>Anyone remember WarMECH's Domain?
You mean this site?
https://web.archive.org/web/20080102111927/http://www.warmech.net/
>They had all these cool comparisons between different versions of different games, and it surprised me how much the PlayStation version stretches the screen taller to give the illusion the aspect ration is bigger than it actually is (they even had to redesign a few sprites to disguise it like the final boss of FFII).
You can navigate through sprite comparisons on the special section: https://web.archive.org/web/20080113190015/http://www.warmech.net/special/special.html
Not sure if it was their capture or not but the fact that they did indeed subtly modify many sprites between WonderSwan and PlayStation leads me to believe it, can't believe I never noticed.

[Anonymous No.7434974]

>>7419223
This is my personal way, whether you use hardware or emulate I don't care cause I'm not an autist.

>FF1
PSP or GBA Port

>FF2
PSP or GBA Port

>FF3
There is only the 3D remake officially, if you're fine with translations the NES version still holds up until the end.

>FF4
PSP Port for 2D, PC for 3D

>FF5
GBA

>FF6
SNES or GBA

>FF7
PC

>FF8
PC

>FF9
PC

Don't know past that cause I havent played past 9

[Anonymous No.7434994]

>>7434974
Did they ever fix the music issue with FF7 PC? I remember at the time it was all midi tracks and no matter what soundcard you used it didn't sound anything like the original.

[Anonymous No.7434998]

>>7419223
Start with ff7 like a normal human.

[Anonymous No.7435030]

>>7434938
And then they reverted to the Wonderswan sprites in the GBA version, but in typical wash-out mode, yay, these direct conparison really illuminate that. It does give me a little more appreciation for the PSP monster sprites, they generally went through the effort to pick and choose between the Famicom or Wonderswan poses and put their own spin on them. The problem I had with the PSP sprites is that several of them are reused in later remakes whenever similar designs come up starting with FFIV, which is too same-y (I had the same issue with Pokémon remakes), and sometimes they take from the Amano concept artwork too much (like the FFII Soldier having a face, which yeah it might've originally had glowing eyes due to hardware limitations, but it clashes with the opening FMV and makes them look stupid). Then there are the spinoffs who realized all the in-game Emperor redesigns were goofy and went with the golden, regal Famicom version.

[Anonymous No.7435501]

>>7428681
>The "shine" sound before they come together now plays with no obvious visual effect, even though it made sense in earlier intros.
All they needed to do was keep the crystals inanimate until the sound cue or remove the sound cue, it's such a braindead-easy fix. Doesn't help that the animation is so ugly.
>>7435030
>Then there are the spinoffs who realized all the in-game Emperor redesigns were goofy and went with the golden, regal Famicom version.
Hopefully that means they're thinking of newer remakes that start from scratch (probably 3D). Right?

[Anonymous No.7435972]

>>7434974
didn't realize these games got a PC port

[Anonymous No.7436168]

>>7435972
>FFIVPC gets rid of the unique Whyt stuff from DS.
y tho

[Anonymous No.7436213]

>>7419254
Yes it is. I was in the same boat as you until recently. I'd never played any Final Fantasy games and started with the first one and have been working my way through. The reward you'll get from seeing the evolution of these games will give you a different perspective on each subsequent entry. You see what elements they kept, which they threw out. What worked and what didn't.
When I first played 2 I thought it was a huge upgrade from the first one and I really enjoyed it. Once I got into later games and then briefly went back to 2 I realized just why they never went back to that same leveling system. It has the reputation for being a bit of a black sheep, but I didn't really see why playing blind with no spoilers on my first playthrough. I just saw the positive changes and expanded storytelling from the first game. The story of 2 is a lot more fleshed out from the first game.
I've probably put more hours into the first game than any other of the series so far. Its really charming and there is a lot of replay value trying different party configurations. Or trying different challanges for yourself. Like beating the first dungeon with level 1 characters.
Highly recommend playing these games in chronological order.